Andy Murray has been one of the best players in the world for years. It was actually inconceivable that he would find his way back to the world top after a new hip. Moreover, he has also aged a bit. If he had been as good as he was then without a new hip, this would have just been a top 5 player in the world. Was actually the only player who could make it difficult for Federer and Djokovic along with Nadal. I don't think Murray will ever really get to his old level again or anywhere near it.
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Today he's playing against Delbonis. If seems like the odds are above 2.5 for Delpo. In the last five matches Delbonis have lost four matches. It is clear that the injuries that hurting the performance. This match is predicted to be win for Delbonis. Anyhow before revealing his announcement on retirement going for a bet on him is good.
Delpo did not have a chance, injuries plus that big pause left their mark and his timings were off. He started with a break and then lost most of the remaining games. Too bad, would love that he managed to get a win on his last tournament.Really sad moment in tennis,finally he came back after so many knee injuries and wanted to win his last tournament and retire the right way but the pause was too long and he just couldnt have been on a good level to pass Delbonis. Watched one of the last games that he served for it was pretty emotional for him and for the crowd.
This could have been a test he set himself to see if he could continue to
play a bit longer, maybe others around him were saying advising him not to
return and he was adamant to do it. Time and surgery are not good combinations
when you are in the second half of a career unfortunately.
Today he's playing against Delbonis. If seems like the odds are above 2.5 for Delpo. In the last five matches Delbonis have lost four matches. It is clear that the injuries that hurting the performance. This match is predicted to be win for Delbonis. Anyhow before revealing his announcement on retirement going for a bet on him is good.
Delpo did not have a chance, injuries plus that big pause left their mark and his timings were off. He started with a break and then lost most of the remaining games. Too bad, would love that he managed to get a win on his last tournament.Really sad moment in tennis,finally he came back after so many knee injuries and wanted to win his last tournament and retire the right way but the pause was too long and he just couldnt have been on a good level to pass Delbonis. Watched one of the last games that he served for it was pretty emotional for him and for the crowd.
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Not sure about Soderling being under-rated. His slam record is pretty poor. He was born in 1984, so didn't even get past a slam third round until his mid-twenties, which is not suggestive of an elite-level player.
Not sure about Soderling being under-rated. His slam record is pretty poor. He was born in 1984, so didn't even get past a slam third round until his mid-twenties, which is not suggestive of an elite-level player.
where did you get this statistics, it is very good to have it that way
yeah, he does not have great slam record, but was pretty great at in 2009 and 2010, mental issues keep him down
nevertheless, sorry for DelPo, did not expected much more from him, but would be great to see him have few wins on the last tournament, however he was great player
Today he's playing against Delbonis. If seems like the odds are above 2.5 for Delpo. In the last five matches Delbonis have lost four matches. It is clear that the injuries that hurting the performance. This match is predicted to be win for Delbonis. Anyhow before revealing his announcement on retirement going for a bet on him is good.
Delpo did not have a chance, injuries plus that big pause left their mark and his timings were off. He started with a break and then lost most of the remaining games. Too bad, would love that he managed to get a win on his last tournament.Yeah, it is obvious that his best years are behind him, and you can call that he is very rusty. That injuries throughout his career really sap out the best of him and as much as he wanted to compete and bring back the clock, it's not going to happen. A win is good here, but it's not really meant for him to have a win in his last tournament.
Del Potro was a brilliant player, but yes severely hampered by injury. I don't doubt he could have won a few slams if he'd been fit the whole time. We'll never know if he could have been up there with Nadal, Federer, Djokovic, he may have been at the Andy Murray level, just below the big three, but way better than anyone below that.
Not sure about Soderling being under-rated. His slam record is pretty poor. He was born in 1984, so didn't even get past a slam third round until his mid-twenties, which is not suggestive of an elite-level player.
Not sure about Soderling being under-rated. His slam record is pretty poor. He was born in 1984, so didn't even get past a slam third round until his mid-twenties, which is not suggestive of an elite-level player.
Today he's playing against Delbonis. If seems like the odds are above 2.5 for Delpo. In the last five matches Delbonis have lost four matches. It is clear that the injuries that hurting the performance. This match is predicted to be win for Delbonis. Anyhow before revealing his announcement on retirement going for a bet on him is good.
Delpo did not have a chance, injuries plus that big pause left their mark and his timings were off. He started with a break and then lost most of the remaining games. Too bad, would love that he managed to get a win on his last tournament. 
could not agree more, Del Potro is quite a character and I really like him playing
would add Soderling to the list, he was the first one to beat Nadal at RG (would argue the only one that finish him off when Nadal was fully prepared for the tournament, before first injury), he had troubles more with head, than injuries (almost end up as Psycho), but could be a top player instead
as DelPo is retiring, I will put my free-bet from AFCON competition on him tonight, as a farewell
Soderling really got famous for beating Nadal at RG but I already forgot that he went up to the finals a second time in 2010. One other player that is mentally not so strong is Osaka, it was nice that she was back at the AO and I hope she can her old form back soon.
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I am really sorry for Del Potro, I believe he is the most injured top player in modern tennis. Even when he played he had big problems with his wrists which resulted with some adjustments to his backhand. Murray at least had a solid part of his career injury free before all the problems with hip threw the spanner in his works. It is really unfortunate when top professional player has big injury problems, especially when he is a great character like Del Potro. I'll try my best to take a look at his match, he deserves that much.
I am really sorry for Del Potro, I believe he is the most injured top player in modern tennis. Even when he played he had big problems with his wrists which resulted with some adjustments to his backhand. Murray at least had a solid part of his career injury free before all the problems with hip threw the spanner in his works. It is really unfortunate when top professional player has big injury problems, especially when he is a great character like Del Potro. I'll try my best to take a look at his match, he deserves that much.
could not agree more, Del Potro is quite a character and I really like him playing
would add Soderling to the list, he was the first one to beat Nadal at RG (would argue the only one that finish him off when Nadal was fully prepared for the tournament, before first injury), he had troubles more with head, than injuries (almost end up as Psycho), but could be a top player instead
as DelPo is retiring, I will put my free-bet from AFCON competition on him tonight, as a farewell
^
I'm going with a Murray win over Bublik, I'm figuring Bublik wont be able to back up
his tournament win last week against Zverev. We have seen it a lot last year with
Tsitsipas and Sinner, they bow out of a tournament early after winning the previous one.
I'm also going with Felix AA to win tomorrow as well as a win by Hurkacz over Musetti @ 1.26.
I had 3 wins from 4 today, Shapovalov got beaten by Lehecka, didnt expect that one.
I'm going with a Murray win over Bublik, I'm figuring Bublik wont be able to back up
his tournament win last week against Zverev. We have seen it a lot last year with
Tsitsipas and Sinner, they bow out of a tournament early after winning the previous one.
I'm also going with Felix AA to win tomorrow as well as a win by Hurkacz over Musetti @ 1.26.
I had 3 wins from 4 today, Shapovalov got beaten by Lehecka, didnt expect that one.
Looking at Rotterdam, one prediction that is tempting is Andy Murray:
1. Beats Bublik fairly comfortably.
2. Beats FAA after a really tough match that takes a lot out of him.
3. Can't recover fully, loses in straight sets to a weaker opponent in the next round.
1. Beats Bublik fairly comfortably.
2. Beats FAA after a really tough match that takes a lot out of him.
3. Can't recover fully, loses in straight sets to a weaker opponent in the next round.
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I am really sorry for Del Potro, I believe he is the most injured top player in modern tennis. Even when he played he had big problems with his wrists which resulted with some adjustments to his backhand. Murray at least had a solid part of his career injury free before all the problems with hip threw the spanner in his works. It is really unfortunate when top professional player has big injury problems, especially when he is a great character like Del Potro. I'll try my best to take a look at his match, he deserves that much.
I am really sorry for Del Potro, I believe he is the most injured top player in modern tennis. Even when he played he had big problems with his wrists which resulted with some adjustments to his backhand. Murray at least had a solid part of his career injury free before all the problems with hip threw the spanner in his works. It is really unfortunate when top professional player has big injury problems, especially when he is a great character like Del Potro. I'll try my best to take a look at his match, he deserves that much.
could not agree more, Del Potro is quite a character and I really like him playing
would add Soderling to the list, he was the first one to beat Nadal at RG (would argue the only one that finish him off when Nadal was fully prepared for the tournament, before first injury), he had troubles more with head, than injuries (almost end up as Psycho), but could be a top player instead
as DelPo is retiring, I will put my free-bet from AFCON competition on him tonight, as a farewell
^
Definitely both would have remained a challenge to the top 3 and would have won more grand slams and deprived Federer, Nadal and Djokovic some of the 20, 21 and 20 slams they have now. It would be a different scene now. Dominic Thiem coming back this year can offer a threat to Nadal, Medvedev, Djokovic, Zverev and Tsitsipas. Dominic is a quality player and still has a lot to offer.
I totally agree with you. Had Andy Murray and Del Potro been healthy and without so many injuries, surely the big three would have won fewer GSs and other big tournaments. I don't think we should forget Wawrinka here, who was also very successful and managed to win as many as 3 GS tournaments during the tennis reign of the Big Three. It is obvious that the time of Medvedev, Zverev and other young players is slowly coming, and Thiem will probably join them if he will be healthy and ready.Definitely both would have remained a challenge to the top 3 and would have won more grand slams and deprived Federer, Nadal and Djokovic some of the 20, 21 and 20 slams they have now. It would be a different scene now. Dominic Thiem coming back this year can offer a threat to Nadal, Medvedev, Djokovic, Zverev and Tsitsipas. Dominic is a quality player and still has a lot to offer.
^
Definitely both would have remained a challenge to the top 3 and would have
won more grand slams and deprived Federer, Nadal and Djokovic some of the
20, 21 and 20 slams they have now. It would be a different scene now.
Dominic Thiem coming back this year can offer a threat to Nadal, Medvedev,
Djokovic, Zverev and Tsitsipas. Dominic is a quality player and still has a lot to offer.
Definitely both would have remained a challenge to the top 3 and would have
won more grand slams and deprived Federer, Nadal and Djokovic some of the
20, 21 and 20 slams they have now. It would be a different scene now.
Dominic Thiem coming back this year can offer a threat to Nadal, Medvedev,
Djokovic, Zverev and Tsitsipas. Dominic is a quality player and still has a lot to offer.
I totally agree with you. Had Andy Murray and Del Potro been healthy and without so many injuries, surely the big three would have won fewer GSs and other big tournaments.
I don't think we should forget Wawrinka here, who was also very successful and managed to win as many as 3 GS tournaments during the tennis reign of the Big Three.
It is obvious that the time of Medvedev, Zverev and other young players is slowly coming, and Thiem will probably join them if he will be healthy and ready.
4 bets on for tomorrow at Rotterdam, there are a lot more matches on tomorrow.
I have Norrie, Tsitsipas, Shapovalov and Rublev, again all favoirites and small bets
like 0.05 mBTC.
Norrie @ 1.68 v Humbert (which has actually just started)
Rublev @ 1.17 v Laaksonen
Shapovalov @ 1.18 v Lehecka
Tsitsipas @ 1.17 v Davidovich Fokina
Had two wins today and need to get a few more to top up my pot!
I have Norrie, Tsitsipas, Shapovalov and Rublev, again all favoirites and small bets
like 0.05 mBTC.
Norrie @ 1.68 v Humbert (which has actually just started)
Rublev @ 1.17 v Laaksonen
Shapovalov @ 1.18 v Lehecka
Tsitsipas @ 1.17 v Davidovich Fokina
Had two wins today and need to get a few more to top up my pot!
^
Definitely both would have remained a challenge to the top 3 and would have
won more grand slams and deprived Federer, Nadal and Djokovic some of the
20, 21 and 20 slams they have now. It would be a different scene now.
Dominic Thiem coming back this year can offer a threat to Nadal, Medvedev,
Djokovic, Zverev and Tsitsipas. Dominic is a quality player and still has a lot to offer.
Definitely both would have remained a challenge to the top 3 and would have
won more grand slams and deprived Federer, Nadal and Djokovic some of the
20, 21 and 20 slams they have now. It would be a different scene now.
Dominic Thiem coming back this year can offer a threat to Nadal, Medvedev,
Djokovic, Zverev and Tsitsipas. Dominic is a quality player and still has a lot to offer.
I totally agree with you. Had Andy Murray and Del Potro been healthy and without so many injuries, surely the big three would have won fewer GSs and other big tournaments.
I don't think we should forget Wawrinka here, who was also very successful and managed to win as many as 3 GS tournaments during the tennis reign of the Big Three.
It is obvious that the time of Medvedev, Zverev and other young players is slowly coming, and Thiem will probably join them if he will be healthy and ready.
I agree, those are just some names that could have stop the emergence of the big 3 and wouldn't have won that many tournaments and grand slams with breaking record numbers. Unfortunately, Murray and Del Potro got injured during their prime, although won some tournament themselves they weren't able to compete at the top against the top 3.
^
Definitely both would have remained a challenge to the top 3 and would have
won more grand slams and deprived Federer, Nadal and Djokovic some of the
20, 21 and 20 slams they have now. It would be a different scene now.
Dominic Thiem coming back this year can offer a threat to Nadal, Medvedev,
Djokovic, Zverev and Tsitsipas. Dominic is a quality player and still has a lot to offer.
Definitely both would have remained a challenge to the top 3 and would have
won more grand slams and deprived Federer, Nadal and Djokovic some of the
20, 21 and 20 slams they have now. It would be a different scene now.
Dominic Thiem coming back this year can offer a threat to Nadal, Medvedev,
Djokovic, Zverev and Tsitsipas. Dominic is a quality player and still has a lot to offer.
I totally agree with you. Had Andy Murray and Del Potro been healthy and without so many injuries, surely the big three would have won fewer GSs and other big tournaments.
I don't think we should forget Wawrinka here, who was also very successful and managed to win as many as 3 GS tournaments during the tennis reign of the Big Three.
It is obvious that the time of Medvedev, Zverev and other young players is slowly coming, and Thiem will probably join them if he will be healthy and ready.
ABN AMRO in Rotterdam starts today with some interesting matches
McDonald 1.53 - 2.46 Basilashvili
Goffin 3.20 - 1.34 de Minaur
Hurkacz 1.19 - 4.50 Tsonga
Norrie 1.74 - 2.06 Humbert
I am going with de Minaur and Hurkacz but I recon they all have the potential to
be close matches.
Some big names not competing this year, Medvedev said he is not ready to
play after AO, Sinner has COVID, also not playing are Cilic, Bautista Agut and Molfils.
It does mean that Murray gets a wildcard and is up against Bublik who beat
Zverev in Open Sud de France yesterday i didnt know that was even on!
McDonald 1.53 - 2.46 Basilashvili
Goffin 3.20 - 1.34 de Minaur
Hurkacz 1.19 - 4.50 Tsonga
Norrie 1.74 - 2.06 Humbert
I am going with de Minaur and Hurkacz but I recon they all have the potential to
be close matches.
Some big names not competing this year, Medvedev said he is not ready to
play after AO, Sinner has COVID, also not playing are Cilic, Bautista Agut and Molfils.
It does mean that Murray gets a wildcard and is up against Bublik who beat
Zverev in Open Sud de France yesterday i didnt know that was even on!
Are women in cricket making the same money from tournaments as men? I really doubt it. They are making exactly the same in tennis from grand slam rewards so I say give them same rules then. It should be something they want as well since best of 5 is what makes grand slams special and they will never be treated the same in the eyes of sponsors and most supporters until they do.
In soccer and handball, women are playing on same fields with same rules and same game lengths.
Yes, you are right that they are not getting paid the same amount as in Tennis. But if we compare 90% of the total endurance of the physique of a man to a woman's we will surely get that, that of women would be a bit lower.
Not because they can't match a man but because this is how they were created. Yes, soccer and handball has the same rule sets but since we have different formats for Tennis, like single matches bo3's or bo5's I think the women's getting bo3's are fair. Also, I would not so much oppose bo5's if the players agree.
Of course, I still remember Del Potro, he has the distinction of being the first tennis player to defeat both Nadal and Federer at the same tournament - 2009 US grand slam. Nadal on semis and then Federer on finals. He has achieved so much in tennis that he was also the only one outside of the big 3 to win a tournament at least.
Interesting to see how Peng Shuai is really doing at this point. And it's good that Thomas Bach is extending efforts to make sure she is doing well.
Interesting to see how Peng Shuai is really doing at this point. And it's good that Thomas Bach is extending efforts to make sure she is doing well.
This is a bad ending not only because he was a great tennis player, but also because he was a great sportsman in general. Much like Rafael Nadal or Federer, never really complains, always tries to comeback and never seeks to abuse excuses for his losses no matter what the reason was. Damn he missed so many years as a pro player because of his wrist and now his knee. Hopefully he has a great tournament in Buenos Aires!
Correct, one of the players who withstand the onslaught on the big 3 or big 4 during their prime years. He has won tournaments against them and then lost some.
But I guess the body can only take that much, and probably genetics as well play a big role for players to to be able to remain and stay healthy years after years. Unfortunately, he is not one of them, so the wear and tear after his prime. But hey, who can't stop him from making a comeback?
Genetics definitely play a massive role! Whatever sport you look at, staying free of injuries is a major factor for a sportsman to become a world star. Who would Messi or Ronaldo be if their knees were hurt every three months and they missed 20 games per season? Who would Federer or Djokovic be if they frequently had their elbow or wrist injured? Del Potro is a prime example what happens to a player with absolute world class potential if the body doesn't go hand in hand with what the player is able to deliver potential wise?
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