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Even though I should not be saying this out loud but I guess women's tennis back then were not as competitive as it is right now and as a result legends like Steffi Graph or Venus Williams won a lot of titles.

But we can also say that there were better players like Sharapova and Serena at the same period but I think Men's Tennis is a bit more competitive.

And I would disagree that Nadal will win another title as I personally think that he has neared his retirement as his pace and endurance have dipped a bit. But I do have to say that he totally deserved this GS.

Right, and with the strength of his Australian Open, for sure he will be the favorite in the Roland Garros because this is his court.

As for the male vs female and how the media see it, maybe it is the competitiveness of the male. But for sure as far as viewership, it could be close though.

Your need to get your facts straight. Steffi Graf won 22 grand slam titles but Venus Williams and Navratilova but won less titles than Nadal. Only Margaret Court (24) and Serena Williams (23) have won more than Nadal also. Next grand title for Nadal will probably be Roland Garros!

Nadal made a huge step by winning this australian open but i dont see him being the best in history. He will be the best in history on clay by far but overall i dont think he will be. Djokovic could have walked on this tournament and win it if he wasnt deported. Im really looking forward to what will happen next.

There has been some whirl and noise about the glorification and ascension to heavens of Nadal on his 21st Grand Slam. Apparently, most reporters and many people seem oblivious to the fact that Steffi Graf, Venus Williams and Navratilova all won more grand slams than Nadal and they do not seem to have caught as much wind in the news. I am not inclined to think that a fem grand slam has the same grade of competitiveness than a male one.

Anyway, I would like to place a binary bet: Will Nadal ever win another GS title?

The difference between Roddick and Medvedev type of players and other superstars like Nadal and Federer is that by the time they were in Medvedevs age, they were capable of winning a few championships, while others couldn't so obviously it is not easy for these people to feel that at ease.

If you are 17-18 years old and lose to Nadal on the finals then you could still be hopeful about things, but when you are 25+ years old and only have a few finals and no titles then you feel like your chance is slipping out of your hand and that is why you do not want to hear any advice from anyone. If he believed that he still has a lot of chance in the future then he would be fine but lets be honest how many tournaments do you feel like they would be able to win?

Rebels can be fun if they have any interesting to say or complain about things that doesn't seem farfetched and have some truth in it. Kyrgios is such a kind of guy who doesn't care but still can book some results (winning the doubles title). Medvedev was indeed a crybaby this whole tournament so hopefully he learns something from it.

Zverev after a big fail on australian open really wants to comeback with a title thats why he signed up for the tournament. While Monfils is playing at home and has a big advantage of a home crowd but i dont think he can win a title with Zverev here.

I think a lot of players start to complain when matches begin to run away from them. But one difference with Medvedev is I don't think he cares what the fans think of him, he is there to win the tennis match and couldn't care less about the fans. And if the fans don't like him, and start cheering for his opponent, then it's kind of understandable that his attitude afterwards in the press conference is quite dismissive and confrontational... I'm sure he knew exactly what he was doing when he said having a meal was more important than watching Barty, he was simply saying to the fans: 'You don't like me? Well, f*ck you, I don't like you either.' Some elite sports players are just like that, it may even be part of the reason he is a top player... maybe without that attitude, he wouldn't be as good.

But it's quite telling that when Courier was finally explicit about the question of his relation to the fans, he realised he'd taken it far enough, and so relented a bit rather than go to an extreme. I don't think any of it was clumsy or accidental, he was well aware of the effect his responses would have.

I don't remember that match but I have much more sympathy for Roddick than Medvedev. First off it was a match without 5th set tie break, meaning it lasted much longer, second it probably felt like Roddick's only chance while Medvedev won last Grand Slam played and by wining it took Djokovic chance for gold slam and to get in front of the Fedex and Nadal by GS won. It is sport, loosing the important match is part of professional's life and he has to get better at it.

reminded me on Andy Roddick after losing Wimbledon final to Roger Federer, not sure what year was it, but it was in five setter, and something like 17:15 in last set for Federer
after the match it was similar situation, Federer showed him empathy and gave advice, and Roddick complained that Federer is winning his sixth or seventh (not sure which that was), and cannot know how it is "to lose your one and only chance to win it"

what a way to lose a historic match, and that was great one, as this one on last Sunday

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He was making those comments in reaction to the crowd jeering him at the speeches.
I think he is fed-up with the negative attention he gets ^{i dont know where it all started}

Whatever about jeering a player during the match ^{which I dont think is o.k}
Its another to jeer at the award ceremony. I recon a lot of it is alcohol fuelled.

Noticed he didnt mention the audience ^{and how great they were} in his
speech.

I actually like rebels. I am sick and tired of the same PR crap coming out of their mouths, from tennis to basketball to football. It's like some kind of '10 steps to like me' PDF that is circulating around.
I'd really like somebody to say no, i don't want to waste my time on women's tennis if he actually means it.

That said, what Medvedev (or Kyrgios) is doing is the opposite. Fans love bad boys, they don't really like crybabies or idiots.

^We had a discussion about Medvedev improving his game play and mental stability few days ago. I said that I still think he is mentally not prepared just that he managed to improve his game so much so we don't see that unstable side of him that often. This just confirmed it for me, he is still the same prickly looser who always has a problem with something when he is not winning. It was the same crowd/ref/ball kids in first 2 sets and there was no problems. After he started loosing he took it out on all of them. Good player, but needs to work on his behavior a lot.

Did you guys see his face while listening to speeches on award ceremony after the match? He looked bored and even made some grimaces during speeches. I have a feeling Nadal tried to gave him advice at that moment but he did not want to listen. Real Champions are conducting themselves as champions even when loosing.

Maybe he is even too honest and just don't thinks about his answers. Remember his interview on full court after semi final victory. The crowd did not like him much and he got boos for mentioning Djokovic and than Courier tried to set him up to win them over. He answered in a worst possible way to all those questions. Last one was if he will watch Barty play final and he answered no, that is the time I am eating supper. Then Courier lost patience and said to him something like "C'mon man I am trying to set you up to win them over and you are not doing yourself any favours". And then Medvedev finally got it, smiled and said something like he will watch on mobile while eating.

@Jackl87 Yeah, I saw the match too, and also the one against Tsitsi, which was apparently the one where he later said the "low IQ" comment about the crowd (as auolain helped me figure out why the crowd were so against him in the first place). I mean, they were cheering him mostly when he talked about tennis anyway, and anyone who sees how Nadal/Fedex endear themselves to the crowd understand why they're loved, so clearly it's highly logical that you reap what you sow -- if crowd support really is what you want.

I see teens in football deal with worse abuse than that. Like actual hate speech and weapons thrown at them. If you're 25, you really have to have thicker skin. Be like Ronaldo, Suarez, who love being villains and get even more motivated by being villains, and LOVE riling the neutral crowds up.

@Juggy777 Anyway, just really hope he doesn't mean what he sounds like he's saying (rather play in Moscow than in another Open). Cause I'm really beginning to enjoy these guys playing. We already are in danger of missing big talents because of vaccine rules, we don't need another one to ragequit haha.

I feel that he needs to seek out a sports psychologist and sort out these kind of issues, because the crowd may or may not back him all the time and that can’t be used as an excuse for defeat.

Furthermore by making such excuses he’s harming his reputation and insulting the crowd who may not be happy to support him, and hence he should focus only on winning when he’s playing and learn to ignore the crowd’s noise if he’s to become a legendary player of this sport.

I watched the match against Nadal and i have to say i kinda get where Medvedev is coming from or why he is so mad. I mean in the third set the audience was clapping and cheering like crazy when Medvedev made that double fault that caused him to lose that serving game. Of course 95% of the people that cheered and clapped there were doing that because they wanted Nadal to come back into the game no matter what, but still from the perspective of Medvedev it probably feeled like they were cheering because they were happy that he made that mistake.
That being said a professional tennis player of Medevedevs level really has to able to deal with such stuff, people will always cheer for Nadal or Federer if they are playing.

Hmm, so I just discovered Medvedev's press conference. I was JUST thinking he'd realised he needed to stop whining and play good tennis, but then he's gone and done himself a huge "shoot yourself in the foot".

So the crowd's against you, after you called them low IQ, and after calling umpire a small cat (did he forget they actually cheered for him when he changed his tune and talked about the match instead of the crowd?). I really don't get why you expect a crowd to love you when you've not shown them any? And then the worst for an athlete is to then blame them and his nationality for not winning.

He needs to grow some balls and win the next GS. Or be Suarez and let the crowd's boos drive him on!

I say this because I do want these young guys to start playing and not ragequit haha.

It is tough for players like Goffin to have good results when they are out of the form. He does not have big serve or signature shot he can rely on when not playing well. He needs all parts of his game to click properly in order to be competitive. I don't expect much from him here.

Zverev and Monfils must be considered as favorites and I will be very surprised if they don't meet up in semi final. Only player that looks dangerous in that part of the draw is Humbert so maybe ha can mess up with Monfils a little.

Most chances in 2022 we are not going to have any decrease in restrictions about covid19 because there are still many complaints about vaccinated peoples having again issues and peoples have no vaccinations are creating troubles, so it's something long plan for settling these things recently we have again some good number of cases increase in many countries, but good thing is happening that now media is not doing bad tactics like they have done this all in first phase of this pandemic.
 
If French authorities not allowed Djokovic then surely it's going to be very bad for this great player and his career because even his own issues he is not taking this vaccination but still great lose for him and game of tennis will be happened.