Ok let's look at the odds:
Nadal - ML 1.48 handicap -3.5, 1.89
I think it's better to bet for the handicap here, -3.5 can easily be covered by Nadal against Berrettini. And since Djokovic is not campaigning, most likely this could be Nadal's year to get this grand slam.
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I thought Medvedev was done after going 2 sets behind. Nice to see he's growing stronger in the mental aspect of the game, that was his weakest point so far.
Tsitsipas was really dominant against Sinner but I feel Medvedev is a better player. Tsitsipas will want to prove that he's better than what we saw here last year.
Yeah, I thought that game is over and he is done in this tournament. But to my surprised and checking the score after, he won the last 3 sets, and felt bad for Felix AA because in the 3rd set he really has a chance to close it out. Berrettini and Nadal will be tomorrow if I'm not mistaken, it seems that they take a days off today and let the players rested. So we will see, I'm still on the Nadal bandwagon right now, he has a good chance to win the AO for this year.Tsitsipas was really dominant against Sinner but I feel Medvedev is a better player. Tsitsipas will want to prove that he's better than what we saw here last year.
Oh well, I thought I got it in the bag already because I have said previously, I have Felix as underdog @4.30 and thought I have won already. But it is tennis, players like Medvedev caliber can really go back after a 2 set down and turn things around. And by the 5th set, you will now it's over because of Felix's body language and the way Medvedev breaking Felix mentally in the game.
I was thinking Felix got this and that he will probobly win the match after seeing 2-0 for him in sets. Wasnt thinking Medvedev had the mentality to get back into the match and let alone win it. Medvedev even served really good on the match point for Felix and i think that broke Felix. Big win for Medvedev but now he needs to beat Tsitsipas for the final.
Đoković was the one that fell apart mentally in the US open final. He lost the game in the first set - it was really weird considering how strong he usually is mentally.
I was really surprised about that as well. It was just too much pressure even for him. If he won he would have golden slam plus most grand slam titles ever all in single match. I can't even imagine those levels of pressure and expectations and I guess it surprised even Djokovic. When you see players struggling to close out the winning match so often it sometimes looks ridiculous for us viewers but so many have those pressure problems so they are obviously real enough 
That is why Djokovic and Nadal are so good, they are mentally the strongest players on the tour and that gives consistency. If some of this newer guys like Medvedev, Zverev, Tsitsipas, Thiem... had that mental resilience and fighting spirit they would be topping the chart very soon.
Another thing is that, yes Djokovic is one of the strongest players mentally, but after all, he is also a human being, and breakdowns like these can happen for various reasons. I'm not saying that this happens often, but even with the strong mentality Djokovic or players like Nadal have, losing your mind is okay sometimes and I think it helps one develop as a player and a human being. That is why Djokovic and Nadal are so good, they are mentally the strongest players on the tour and that gives consistency. If some of this newer guys like Medvedev, Zverev, Tsitsipas, Thiem... had that mental resilience and fighting spirit they would be topping the chart very soon.I thought Medvedev was done after going 2 sets behind. Nice to see he's growing stronger in the mental aspect of the game, that was his weakest point so far.
Tsitsipas was really dominant against Sinner but I feel Medvedev is a better player. Tsitsipas will want to prove that he's better than what we saw here last year.
Yeah, I thought that game is over and he is done in this tournament. But to my surprised and checking the score after, he won the last 3 sets, and felt bad for Felix AA because in the 3rd set he really has a chance to close it out. Berrettini and Nadal will be tomorrow if I'm not mistaken, it seems that they take a days off today and let the players rested. So we will see, I'm still on the Nadal bandwagon right now, he has a good chance to win the AO for this year.Tsitsipas was really dominant against Sinner but I feel Medvedev is a better player. Tsitsipas will want to prove that he's better than what we saw here last year.
Oh well, I thought I got it in the bag already because I have said previously, I have Felix as underdog @4.30 and thought I have won already. But it is tennis, players like Medvedev caliber can really go back after a 2 set down and turn things around. And by the 5th set, you will now it's over because of Felix's body language and the way Medvedev breaking Felix mentally in the game.
I thought Medvedev was done after going 2 sets behind. Nice to see he's growing stronger in the mental aspect of the game, that was his weakest point so far.
Tsitsipas was really dominant against Sinner but I feel Medvedev is a better player. Tsitsipas will want to prove that he's better than what we saw here last year.
Yeah, I thought that game is over and he is done in this tournament. But to my surprised and checking the score after, he won the last 3 sets, and felt bad for Felix AA because in the 3rd set he really has a chance to close it out. Berrettini and Nadal will be tomorrow if I'm not mistaken, it seems that they take a days off today and let the players rested. So we will see, I'm still on the Nadal bandwagon right now, he has a good chance to win the AO for this year. Tsitsipas was really dominant against Sinner but I feel Medvedev is a better player. Tsitsipas will want to prove that he's better than what we saw here last year.
I'm totally with Trofo here. It bugs me a great deal when a player whines a lot about things not going their way (so you guys already know whom I dislike, not that it stops me from admiring their qualities). I can't help it and I think it stems from my own time playing sports -- the whiners just take all the fun out of the contest.
But the other part of mentality -- the one that allows you to get into the zone. That's what I was really hoping for Tsitsi to get after his past disappointments. And I felt like I caught a glimpse of it against Sinner. Hoping it shows up in the semis. But because I'm cynical, I already hedged on Medvedev so whomever wins, I will make money from this AO, and about time too!
That's a really interesting image, particularly for someone like me who likes digging into the data. Thanks for sharing.
It's interesting how the last few years 2017-18 onwards have really seen a lot of newcomers break through. We were aware that the Federer/Nadal/Djokovic era was ending on the men's side, and we can see that a bit here.
This is maybe a little counterintuitive from 2020 onwards, where the tour has been hampered by the pandemic, so you'd maybe think it's harder for new players to break through in slams as they just haven't gained the experience of going deep in a big tournament. But of course the last women's US Open really showed that it's possible.
Indeed, for the men's it looked like a really lonely club for a long stretch of years, but now that the greats are bowing out (and with some grace, I've to say, looking at the way Nadal is powering through), we'll see even more fresh blood in the next couple of years. I don't follow the sport enough to really know if we'll get another handful of mega-athletes in the same era, but I think you're right about the women's side of things: they could be seeing a resurgence that would come closer to rivalling the men's for fan focus anyway.
But the other part of mentality -- the one that allows you to get into the zone. That's what I was really hoping for Tsitsi to get after his past disappointments. And I felt like I caught a glimpse of it against Sinner. Hoping it shows up in the semis. But because I'm cynical, I already hedged on Medvedev so whomever wins, I will make money from this AO, and about time too!
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That's a really interesting image, particularly for someone like me who likes digging into the data. Thanks for sharing.
It's interesting how the last few years 2017-18 onwards have really seen a lot of newcomers break through. We were aware that the Federer/Nadal/Djokovic era was ending on the men's side, and we can see that a bit here.
This is maybe a little counterintuitive from 2020 onwards, where the tour has been hampered by the pandemic, so you'd maybe think it's harder for new players to break through in slams as they just haven't gained the experience of going deep in a big tournament. But of course the last women's US Open really showed that it's possible.
Indeed, for the men's it looked like a really lonely club for a long stretch of years, but now that the greats are bowing out (and with some grace, I've to say, looking at the way Nadal is powering through), we'll see even more fresh blood in the next couple of years. I don't follow the sport enough to really know if we'll get another handful of mega-athletes in the same era, but I think you're right about the women's side of things: they could be seeing a resurgence that would come closer to rivalling the men's for fan focus anyway.
Đoković was the one that fell apart mentally in the US open final. He lost the game in the first set - it was really weird considering how strong he usually is mentally.
I was really surprised about that as well. It was just too much pressure even for him. If he won he would have golden slam plus most grand slam titles ever all in single match. I can't even imagine those levels of pressure and expectations and I guess it surprised even Djokovic. When you see players struggling to close out the winning match so often it sometimes looks ridiculous for us viewers but so many have those pressure problems so they are obviously real enough
That is why Djokovic and Nadal are so good, they are mentally the strongest players on the tour and that gives consistency. If some of this newer guys like Medvedev, Zverev, Tsitsipas, Thiem... had that mental resilience and fighting spirit they would be topping the chart very soon. 
I am not convinced, I still think he is bad in mental aspect. He has awful body language and bitches about all kind of details when results are not favoring him. That is part that irritates me most, he complained about everything yesterday to the ref "somebody took a picture", "somebody sneezed before my serve", "they are too loud"....
My thesis is that he has improved his game so much that his mental aspect does not get tested in 99% of matches. That is why I am waiting for his match against Djokovic or maybe even this back in form Nadal will be enough to show me the real state of things.
My thesis is that he has improved his game so much that his mental aspect does not get tested in 99% of matches. That is why I am waiting for his match against Djokovic or maybe even this back in form Nadal will be enough to show me the real state of things.
Đoković was the one that fell apart mentally in the US open final. He lost the game in the first set - it was really weird considering how strong he usually is mentally.
I agree with you regarding Medvedev though. As I said in my 1st post - he is mentally weak. I just think that wins like these help - he will need his head in the game in an expected final against Nadal.
Medvedev is a player without any real weaknesses in his game, I'm just saying that matches like these will help him build that crucial part of the game (mental) that has ruined many great players before him.
I am not convinced, I still think he is bad in mental aspect. He has awful body language and bitches about all kind of details when results are not favoring him. That is part that irritates me most, he complained about everything yesterday to the ref "somebody took a picture", "somebody sneezed before my serve", "they are too loud".... My thesis is that he has improved his game so much that his mental aspect does not get tested in 99% of matches. That is why I am waiting for his match against Djokovic or maybe even this back in form Nadal will be enough to show me the real state of things.
I feel like this comeback was more a case of Felix AA not being able to keep playing on extra high level than Medvedev upping his game.
Sure, but when you are 2-0 down it takes 1 bad game to kick you out - and FAA is a player that will make you play for every one of them.
Medvedev is a player without any real weaknesses in his game, I'm just saying that matches like these will help him build that crucial part of the game (mental) that has ruined many great players before him.
I thought Medvedev was done after going 2 sets behind. Nice to see he's growing stronger in the mental aspect of the game, that was his weakest point so far.
I feel like this comeback was more a case of Felix AA not being able to keep playing on extra high level than Medvedev upping his game.Barty against Keys in a couple of minutes. For me this is a final before final and whoever wins here will take the AO home. This will be a clash of two styles and whichever comes on top will be the winner. I took 4.5 handicap on Keys, wanted 5.5 but there isn't one in offer on Sportsbet unfortunately.
I thought Medvedev was done after going 2 sets behind. Nice to see he's growing stronger in the mental aspect of the game, that was his weakest point so far.
Tsitsipas was really dominant against Sinner but I feel Medvedev is a better player. Tsitsipas will want to prove that he's better than what we saw here last year.
Tsitsipas was really dominant against Sinner but I feel Medvedev is a better player. Tsitsipas will want to prove that he's better than what we saw here last year.
Anyone else watching the Alcott Vs Scroder game?
It's been very close with the score 5-4 after a lengthy battle for the advantage in the last game.
It's been very close with the score 5-4 after a lengthy battle for the advantage in the last game.
Even though Medvedev was quite lucky to get through against Felix I believe the match against Tsitsipas will be a much more uneven match.
Tsitsipas has already overachieved so far in AO given his current condition and now he is going up against the big favorite. I believe the Felix match was more a off day for Medvedev and he is ready to hit back hard tomorrow. For me its not many factors that point in the direction of Tsitsipas in this game. Before AO kicked off the outright odds on the winner was Medvedev @2.50 vs Tsitsipas @40. I think we get a 3-0 Medvedev in this one.
The match I look the most forward to is Nadal vs Berrettini. I think this will be a very tight match with a lot of points and even games. Berrettini been serving extremely well at times so I give him a small advantage in this match, but he also struggled a lot against both Alcatraz and Monflis after being 2-0 up against both so he need to keep his focus on top here against Nadal. A couple of weeks ago I gave Nadal next to zero chance to get to the final, but Nadal been solid and made it into the semis surprisingly easy. My guess is a 5-setter with Berrettini coming out as the winner in the end.
Tsitsipas has already overachieved so far in AO given his current condition and now he is going up against the big favorite. I believe the Felix match was more a off day for Medvedev and he is ready to hit back hard tomorrow. For me its not many factors that point in the direction of Tsitsipas in this game. Before AO kicked off the outright odds on the winner was Medvedev @2.50 vs Tsitsipas @40. I think we get a 3-0 Medvedev in this one.
The match I look the most forward to is Nadal vs Berrettini. I think this will be a very tight match with a lot of points and even games. Berrettini been serving extremely well at times so I give him a small advantage in this match, but he also struggled a lot against both Alcatraz and Monflis after being 2-0 up against both so he need to keep his focus on top here against Nadal. A couple of weeks ago I gave Nadal next to zero chance to get to the final, but Nadal been solid and made it into the semis surprisingly easy. My guess is a 5-setter with Berrettini coming out as the winner in the end.
Women's semifinals today:
Barty vs Keys and Collins vs Swiatek, I picked overs on these two matches.
Barty vs Keys and Collins vs Swiatek, I picked overs on these two matches.
My pics for the semis are Barty and Collins.
If Keys wins over Barty, then my money's on Keys as I feel she can best Collins as well as Swiatek who I feel will be out this round.
Medvedev has a lot of head to head wins against Tsitsipas. The only thing that goes in Tsitsipas favor is that he finished in straight sets while Medvedev struggled and is a little more fit then Medvedev for this match,they also dont have a good history between them so im expect a 5-set match honestly.
This semi-final is a repeat of last year where Tsitsipas lost 3 straight sets, maybe Medvedev was exhausted from the 5 sets match but I don't think it will greatly affect his performance, and what Medvedev has but Tsitsipas not is the strong mentality that was evident in yesterday's match, not many players can turn things around When it's left behind and also face match point. I would rather see Berrettini vs Medvedev in the final.Women's semifinals today:
Barty vs Keys and Collins vs Swiatek, I picked overs on these two matches.
Medvedev looking the likelier winner now, a break up in the fifth set (3-1) ... of course this means whoever wins, they will be tired when they play the semi against Tsitsipas... so maybe we will see Tsitsipas in the final against Nadal?
TBH I'm surprised this has gone to a fifth, I'd have thought Medvedev would win fairly comfortably... but my tennis betting record is not great
Actually i was not surprised that medvedev struggled against aliasime the canadian was playing really good since he faced evans and now medvedev will play against another exceptional player in the tournament which is tsitsipas i think stefanos have a high chance of getting to the final, even nadal will have difficulties against berretini we can see some surprises.TBH I'm surprised this has gone to a fifth, I'd have thought Medvedev would win fairly comfortably... but my tennis betting record is not great
Medvedev has a lot of head to head wins against Tsitsipas. The only thing that goes in Tsitsipas favor is that he finished in straight sets while Medvedev struggled and is a little more fit then Medvedev for this match,they also dont have a good history between them so im expect a 5-set match honestly.
Well if Medvedev will start very slow like in the Felix match, then it good be a good five setter.
But if started hot and win at least one of the two sets, then I doubt that this will be extended to five set.
Yeah, one advantage is that Tsitsipas has more rest than Medvedev but we all know that most high level tennis players are not affected by this burn out from previous match. And as much as I love my boy Tsitsipas, with the way Medvedev comes back against Felix AA, I will go with Medvedev here.
Medvedev looking the likelier winner now, a break up in the fifth set (3-1) ... of course this means whoever wins, they will be tired when they play the semi against Tsitsipas... so maybe we will see Tsitsipas in the final against Nadal?
TBH I'm surprised this has gone to a fifth, I'd have thought Medvedev would win fairly comfortably... but my tennis betting record is not great
Actually i was not surprised that medvedev struggled against aliasime the canadian was playing really good since he faced evans and now medvedev will play against another exceptional player in the tournament which is tsitsipas i think stefanos have a high chance of getting to the final, even nadal will have difficulties against berretini we can see some surprises.TBH I'm surprised this has gone to a fifth, I'd have thought Medvedev would win fairly comfortably... but my tennis betting record is not great
Medvedev has a lot of head to head wins against Tsitsipas. The only thing that goes in Tsitsipas favor is that he finished in straight sets while Medvedev struggled and is a little more fit then Medvedev for this match,they also dont have a good history between them so im expect a 5-set match honestly.
Medvedev looking the likelier winner now, a break up in the fifth set (3-1) ... of course this means whoever wins, they will be tired when they play the semi against Tsitsipas... so maybe we will see Tsitsipas in the final against Nadal?
TBH I'm surprised this has gone to a fifth, I'd have thought Medvedev would win fairly comfortably... but my tennis betting record is not great
Actually i was not surprised that medvedev struggled against aliasime the canadian was playing really good since he faced evans and now medvedev will play against another exceptional player in the tournament which is tsitsipas i think stefanos have a high chance of getting to the final, even nadal will have difficulties against berretini we can see some surprises. TBH I'm surprised this has gone to a fifth, I'd have thought Medvedev would win fairly comfortably... but my tennis betting record is not great
What Medvedev has accomplished today shows why he is the number 2 in the world. match point and he has also trailed 2-0 in sets. Then you see the class of such players. if he wins the tournament, he would become the new number 1 in the world. It's strange that he is then above Djokovic, but he may not try to defend his title for the next 3 years. I'm curious how that ends. that guy should just get vaccinated and stop making excuses and think he's an exception because he's Djokovic.
On the part of Medvedev, there was some impressiveness and low energy bordering on apathy in the first two sets. Auger-Aliassim, on the contrary, played well in the first two sets and, most importantly, held his serve quite confidently, almost not giving Medvedev a chance to make a break. But this could not go on indefinitely and Medvedev began to wake up and show the game, thanks to which he is the second racket of the world and the main contender to displace Djokovic from the first place in the ranking. The main watershed occurred in the third set, when Medvedev made a mini-break on the tiebreak and after closing the roof on the court finished the case by successfully winning the tiebreak. Let Medvedev still continued to walk on the edge of the abyss and even got a match point from an opponent on his serve, but the contours of that game were already visible due to which Medvedev could win the match. Evidence of this is the successful and confident playing of break balls on his serve, when they periodically arose. Auger-Aliassim gave chances in the fourth and fifth sets by giving his serve once and Medvedev was able to take advantage of this thanks to his high class. Jump to: