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Quote from: JSRAW on December 30, 2019, 06:38:06 AM

Oh well, ICC pitching the idea of 4 day tests. They do have some solid points behind this though, let's see how international community (Cricketers) reacts on it in coming days.

ICC to consider mandatory four-day Tests

Follow back on 4 day tests, this time statements coming from ECB and they seem to be agree to this idea.

Main points from their perspective
1. Yes, its controversial but it might help with "complex scheduling" and "player workloads"-
2. Free time -30/40 days a year-
3. Buzzword -Lets face it Test cricket is dying-

England and Wales Cricket Board 'cautiously' supports four-day Tests

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It's nice to see that team Australia has come back strongly in the Test arena, I think this team deserve to be the best team in the longer version aspect, They have a compact team in every segment both Bowling and Batting, after joining both Smith and Warner they are just like flying, I believe that Australia will win the test championship, I am very excited to enjoy India's tour of Australia, I think that series would be the vital factor for both Team, certainly, This coming series will be a huge competitive and exciting.

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Quote from: SaShiRaJaVu on December 31, 2019, 06:11:45 AM

The high strike rate is one thing and the problem with players like Jonny Bairstow, Ben Stokes and Jos Buttler who are stroke players are finding it difficult to adapt to Test matches while similar stroke players like Virender Sehwag and David Warner were successful in adapting easily and the difference is that these players had solid defense but the England players are neglecting the defense part and trying for strokes every ball and in Test matches you cannot be successful.

It is surprising, because all these players came from the English county cricket system and it is probably the only domestic setup in the world which gives more focus to 4-day cricket, rather than 50-over or 20-over matches. Players such as Jonny Bairstow have almost 200 first class games to their name, and you may not notice this for players from some other country, such as Pakistan or South Africa. So ideally they should not face any issues in transforming to the longer format. But that is not the case, as your post confirms.

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Quote from: JSRAW on December 31, 2019, 10:42:24 AM

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I do agree with you on some part if its hypothetical scenario otherwise i would like to point out very important factor which is the most crucial point. Sehwag and Warner were/are openers in the Test format and Bairstow, Ben Stokes, Jos buttler are not.

In case if you want to judge or compare them then pick middle order batsmen.

Virender Sehwag started his Test career as a middle order batsman and he was playing for Delhi as a lower order batsman and Sourav Ganguly experimented him as an opener because of his stroke and it became an instant success, first in the ODI and then later on in Test matches and he went on to become one of the most successful Test openers India ever had with two triple centuries to his name, if you want middle order aggressive batsman in Test Adam Gilchrist is the perfect example as he had a solid defense and an attacking style.

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Quote from: Haunebu on December 31, 2019, 04:11:08 AM

This is the biggest problem with their team currently. They are focused on maintaining their high strike rate due to which they get out quickly. They need to adapt themselves to every format in a better manner.

The high strike rate is one thing and the problem with players like Jonny Bairstow, Ben Stokes and Jos Buttler who are stroke players are finding it difficult to adapt to Test matches while similar stroke players like Virender Sehwag and David Warner were successful in adapting easily and the difference is that these players had solid defense but the England players are neglecting the defense part and trying for strokes every ball and in Test matches you cannot be successful.

I do agree with you on some part if its hypothetical scenario otherwise i would like to point out very important factor which is the most crucial point. Sehwag and Warner were/are openers in the Test format and Bairstow, Ben Stokes, Jos buttler are not.

In case if you want to judge or compare them then pick middle order batsmen.

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Quote from: Haunebu on December 31, 2019, 04:11:08 AM

This is the biggest problem with their team currently. They are focused on maintaining their high strike rate due to which they get out quickly. They need to adapt themselves to every format in a better manner.

The high strike rate is one thing and the problem with players like Jonny Bairstow, Ben Stokes and Jos Buttler who are stroke players are finding it difficult to adapt to Test matches while similar stroke players like Virender Sehwag and David Warner were successful in adapting easily and the difference is that these players had solid defense but the England players are neglecting the defense part and trying for strokes every ball and in Test matches you cannot be successful.

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Quote from: JSRAW on December 31, 2019, 02:09:58 AM

Arguments from both sides should have some value. ICC making his case okay i suppose by tossing ball into every cricket board's court. i didn't noticed much outcry about this yet from the experts (except few), fans are not happy though.

Nowadays the tracks are getting more and more batsmen friendly and scores in excess of 500 are very common in subcontinental test matches. Now limiting the days/overs to 4/360 may be a good idea in countries such as England and Australia, but it is going to increase the proportion of drawn matches in India, Pakistan.etc. Another issue is that rain interruption is increasing in frequency and with climate change worsening, a lot of the matches are getting washed away. Reducing the duration to 4 days may negatively impact such matches.

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Quote from: 7788bitcoin on December 30, 2019, 12:35:10 PM

There will be a time in the future where club cricket will be more audience friendly than national tournaments as all the cricket boards are trying to start their own franchise cricket which means they are planning to go the route of soccer where club soccer is more audience friendly and then they have the world cup and Euro tournaments other than that there are only friendly matches and mostly they will have sending second string players.

Its already happening. IPL has become far more popular when compared to many big tournaments at present and more will probably follow in the near future.

Quote from: Sithara007 on December 30, 2019, 10:37:11 PM

However, their batting is not looking as strong as it should have been. They need to convert their 50s to 100s, and so far in the tour, none of the top order or middle order batsmen has succeeded in doing that for England.

This is the biggest problem with their team currently. They are focused on maintaining their high strike rate due to which they get out quickly. They need to adapt themselves to every format in a better manner.

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Quote from: Haunebu on December 30, 2019, 10:52:04 AM

Quote from: JSRAW on December 30, 2019, 06:38:06 AM

Oh well, ICC pitching the idea of 4 day tests. They do have some solid points behind this though, let's see how international community (Cricketers) reacts on it in coming days.

ICC to consider mandatory four-day Tests

I honestly usually watch test matches through their highlights which is why I don't really care whether it goes on for 4 or 5 days. Test enthusiasts might have a problem with this though.

Arguments from both sides should have some value. ICC making his case okay i suppose by tossing ball into every cricket board's court. i didn't noticed much outcry about this yet from the experts (except few), fans are not happy though.

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Quote from: ene1980 on December 30, 2019, 06:17:40 PM

England players are struggling with injury and other health concerns and the second Test should be interesting as i am expecting some changes in the English side. Australia New Zealand, expecting nothing but a domination by Australia.

With Jofra Archer back in form, England should be able to put up a better fight for the second test. He went for too many runs, but managed to pick up 5 wickets in the second innings. All the other bowlers have performed well for England. However, their batting is not looking as strong as it should have been. They need to convert their 50s to 100s, and so far in the tour, none of the top order or middle order batsmen has succeeded in doing that for England.

BTW, the South Africa team selection is back to controversies again:

https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/28394555/pieter-malan-backed-cape-town-debut-transformation-pressures

The politicians are saying that the team which defeated England in the first test had only one black player. Now they have added another African (Temba Bavuma) and a colored (Keegan Petersen) player to the squad for the second test. Bavuma is still recovering from injury and may not be 100% fit, but it will be interesting to know who are the two white players going to get kicked out of the playing XI.

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Quote from: ragavancoin on December 30, 2019, 01:07:00 PM

Yes bro really it is disappointing performance from England team because England has got very good stated in 2nd innings and I was thought England will win test match without any trouble and stop wasting the score

Did you mean that you stopped watching the match after England got a good start?

Quote from: ragavancoin on December 30, 2019, 01:07:00 PM

but after few hours later I checked score really it was very disappointed me because i was my both bets.

I did not understand this part, you lost both bets means, what all bets, did you made a parlay?

England players are struggling with injury and other health concerns and the second Test should be interesting as i am expecting some changes in the English side. Australia New Zealand, expecting nothing but a domination by Australia.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on December 29, 2019, 10:42:46 PM

It was a disappointing match for England, after all the hard work they put in to bowl out South Africa for less than 300 in both the innings. The decision by Joe Root, to send South Africa to bat first was wrong. They should have batted first and built a score around 300. Anyway, the next match will start on 3rd January and England may be still hoping to win the series and improve their ranking in the ICC Test Championship table.

Yes bro really it is disappointing performance from England team because England has got very good stated in 2nd innings and I was thought England will win test match without any trouble and stop wasting the score but after few hours later I checked score really it was very disappointed me because i was my both bets.

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Quote from: onrise on December 30, 2019, 10:58:30 AM

Definitely this all should be avoided beacuse it directly impacts the team and their performance of such things occurred . Also in the end they play for country and if not good players are selected that team may not win much and also impacts the country image too directly .

There will be a time in the future where club cricket will be more audience friendly than national tournaments as all the cricket boards are trying to start their own franchise cricket which means they are planning to go the route of soccer where club soccer is more audience friendly and then they have the world cup and Euro tournaments other than that there are only friendly matches and mostly they will have sending second string players.

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Quote from: Haunebu on December 30, 2019, 03:04:16 AM

How can you blame a single player for the bad performance of the majority of the team? Completely disagree. South Africa outclassed them plain and simple. Philander was awesome.

LOL... Philander was awesome.. and he has gone Kolpak now. From next month onward, he will be representing Somerset in English county championship instead of the South African national team. BTW, I heard that Dwaine Pretorius received a similar Kolpak deal from Nottinghamshire. But for some unknown reason, he rejected it and chose to stick with the Proteas.

Quota system and this Kolpak both real enemies of South African cricket they have to work on this as they are losing too many good players which are hurting them in recently.

Definitely this all should be avoided beacuse it directly impacts the team and their performance of such things occurred . Also in the end they play for country and if not good players are selected that team may not win much and also impacts the country image too directly .

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Quote from: JSRAW on December 30, 2019, 06:38:06 AM

Oh well, ICC pitching the idea of 4 day tests. They do have some solid points behind this though, let's see how international community (Cricketers) reacts on it in coming days.

ICC to consider mandatory four-day Tests

I honestly usually watch test matches through their highlights which is why I don't really care whether it goes on for 4 or 5 days. Test enthusiasts might have a problem with this though.

Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on December 30, 2019, 07:05:55 AM

LOL... Philander was awesome.. and he has gone Kolpak now. From next month onward, he will be representing Somerset in English county championship instead of the South African national team. BTW, I heard that Dwaine Pretorius received a similar Kolpak deal from Nottinghamshire. But for some unknown reason, he rejected it and chose to stick with the Proteas.

Have no idea about Kolpak, but I enjoyed his performance in the current match. Was never a fan of him, but I liked how he rose to the occasion. South Africa desperately needs more consistent bowlers like Rabada though.

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Quote from: JSRAW on December 30, 2019, 06:38:06 AM

Oh well, ICC pitching the idea of 4 day tests. They do have some solid points behind this though, let's see how international community (Cricketers) reacts on it in coming days.

only now we are seeing results in Test match cricket even though it is 5 days and that too because the mentality has changed for the players and they are playing aggressive cricket and so is the reason we have some fans for Test matches and if they reduce a day then we will start seeing draws which i hate the most and i want to see results at the end, if you play for 4 days and yet you are unable to produce results then who in the hell will watch cricket.

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Quote from: BitSat19 on December 30, 2019, 07:51:16 AM

Quota system and this Kolpak both real enemies of South African cricket they have to work on this as they are losing too many good players which are hurting them in recently.

Vernon Philander is a direct beneficiary of the quota system. He was selected ahead of an in-form Kyle Abbott during the semi-final of the 2015 CWC, just because of the quota system. The captain (AB de Villiers) had open fights with the selectors, due to this decision. A lot of controversy was generated from this incident and Abbott retired from international cricket and secured a Kolpak deal with Hampshire. But the biggest blow to South African cricket happened when AB de Villiers quit international cricket.

Now after all this controversy, isn't it ironical that Philander himself secured a Kolpak deal? I don't know whether South Africa can lose any more of their experienced players to Kolpak. During the last decade or so, they have lost more than 50 of their top players.

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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on December 30, 2019, 07:05:55 AM

Quote from: Haunebu on December 30, 2019, 03:04:16 AM

How can you blame a single player for the bad performance of the majority of the team? Completely disagree. South Africa outclassed them plain and simple. Philander was awesome.

LOL... Philander was awesome.. and he has gone Kolpak now. From next month onward, he will be representing Somerset in English county championship instead of the South African national team. BTW, I heard that Dwaine Pretorius received a similar Kolpak deal from Nottinghamshire. But for some unknown reason, he rejected it and chose to stick with the Proteas.

Quota system and this Kolpak both real enemies of South African cricket they have to work on this as they are losing too many good players which are hurting them in recently.

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Quote from: Haunebu on December 30, 2019, 03:04:16 AM

How can you blame a single player for the bad performance of the majority of the team? Completely disagree. South Africa outclassed them plain and simple. Philander was awesome.

LOL... Philander was awesome.. and he has gone Kolpak now. From next month onward, he will be representing Somerset in English county championship instead of the South African national team. BTW, I heard that Dwaine Pretorius received a similar Kolpak deal from Nottinghamshire. But for some unknown reason, he rejected it and chose to stick with the Proteas.

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Oh well, ICC pitching the idea of 4 day tests. They do have some solid points behind this though, let's see how international community (Cricketers) reacts on it in coming days.

ICC to consider mandatory four-day Tests

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