Pakistan will tour UK; to arrive on June 28
Takeaway
- ECB and PCB mutually understand each other.
- Arrival on June 28th but no clarity on fixtures yet.
- 10 players who tested positive will not travel with the squad, may be separate once they clears the test.
- 2nd round of testing on June 25th (who already tested negative)
- Mandatory 14 days quarantine for everyone.
Topic: Test Cricket Prediction and Discussion Thread [self - mod] - page 1005. (Read 167870 times)
Yes, he is known for Boom Boom but that does not mean he can be considered as an overall allrounder. He always played without any maturity and that has been one of the reasons why he is not taken seriously by the cricketing faternity.
There are no true all rounders in cricket for decades, now all the tag all rounders has a sub tag as well, bowlers who can bat a bit and batsman who can bowl a bit and if you look in that sense Shahid Afridi is an allrounder, even though he started out as a bowler he came into the Pakistan team as an explosive opening batsman and when he gets going he is a force to reckon with the bat and could win matches single handily and he was a decent fielder as well.I still do not agree an inconsistent player who has always displayed immaturity on and off the field can be considered as a great all rounder. Pakistan has a history of brilliant and respected all rounders in the past. Comparing Afridi as a game changer, game saver and an all rounder is a disgrace to those legends.
^^True, when we talk about all-rounder then Kallis's name comes to mind.
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He was one of the most wanted person in International cricket and people were crazy to see him. People came in stadium only to watch him. Most of the times when Pakistan team were in trouble, he was always the last hope but that last hope was disappointing most of the time.
Again, He loved by Pakistani fans only not other way around. I remember how he played stupid shots countless time when team needed him even commentators used to say this many time "Afridi's lifeline is 5-10 balls only" and he never disappointed anyone in this regards. He was one of the most wanted person in International cricket and people were crazy to see him. People came in stadium only to watch him. Most of the times when Pakistan team were in trouble, he was always the last hope but that last hope was disappointing most of the time.
Yes, he is known for Boom Boom but that does not mean he can be considered as an overall allrounder. He always played without any maturity and that has been one of the reasons why he is not taken seriously by the cricketing faternity.
There are no true all rounders in cricket for decades, now all the tag all rounders has a sub tag as well, bowlers who can bat a bit and batsman who can bowl a bit and if you look in that sense Shahid Afridi is an allrounder, even though he started out as a bowler he came into the Pakistan team as an explosive opening batsman and when he gets going he is a force to reckon with the bat and could win matches single handily and he was a decent fielder as well. ~snip~
It has been quality of the Pakistani players that they always come up with the talent. They don't develop talent in the schools or domestic cricket but most of them are god gifted. You will not find players like Sohaib Akhtar , Shaid Afridi as those players had god gifted talent which made them super heroes of the cricketing world.
It has been quality of the Pakistani players that they always come up with the talent. They don't develop talent in the schools or domestic cricket but most of them are god gifted. You will not find players like Sohaib Akhtar , Shaid Afridi as those players had god gifted talent which made them super heroes of the cricketing world.
I understand he's pretty big role model in Pakistan due to his Boom-Boom batting style but make no mistake, in the cricketing world and among cricket fraternity he's regarded as one of the worst batter who wasted his talent/2 decades due to very same immature batting style "Boom Boom" despite playing for so long... Frickin 398 ODI.
I understand that he is not a consistent batsmen but he had few things which make him last for 2 decades in national cricket team. His "Boom Boom" style has become a brand and he was not only a batsmen. He won many match for Pakistan by his bowling. He could be used as a full time spinner. He was an all-rounder and one of the best and active fielder in the team.
Yes, he is known for Boom Boom but that does not mean he can be considered as an overall allrounder. He always played without any maturity and that has been one of the reasons why he is not taken seriously by the cricketing faternity.
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It has been quality of the Pakistani players that they always come up with the talent. They don't develop talent in the schools or domestic cricket but most of them are god gifted. You will not find players like Sohaib Akhtar , Shaid Afridi as those players had god gifted talent which made them super heroes of the cricketing world.
It has been quality of the Pakistani players that they always come up with the talent. They don't develop talent in the schools or domestic cricket but most of them are god gifted. You will not find players like Sohaib Akhtar , Shaid Afridi as those players had god gifted talent which made them super heroes of the cricketing world.
I understand he's pretty big role model in Pakistan due to his Boom-Boom batting style but make no mistake, in the cricketing world and among cricket fraternity he's regarded as one of the worst batter who wasted his talent/2 decades due to very same immature batting style "Boom Boom" despite playing for so long... Frickin 398 ODI.
I understand that he is not a consistent batsmen but he had few things which make him last for 2 decades in national cricket team. His "Boom Boom" style has become a brand and he was not only a batsmen. He won many match for Pakistan by his bowling. He could be used as a full time spinner. He was an all-rounder and one of the best and active fielder in the team.
Yes, he is known for Boom Boom but that does not mean he can be considered as an overall allrounder. He always played without any maturity and that has been one of the reasons why he is not taken seriously by the cricketing faternity.
He was one of the most wanted person in International cricket and people were crazy to see him. People came in stadium only to watch him. Most of the times when Pakistan team were in trouble, he was always the last hope but that last hope was disappointing most of the time.
~snip~
It has been quality of the Pakistani players that they always come up with the talent. They don't develop talent in the schools or domestic cricket but most of them are god gifted. You will not find players like Sohaib Akhtar , Shaid Afridi as those players had god gifted talent which made them super heroes of the cricketing world.
It has been quality of the Pakistani players that they always come up with the talent. They don't develop talent in the schools or domestic cricket but most of them are god gifted. You will not find players like Sohaib Akhtar , Shaid Afridi as those players had god gifted talent which made them super heroes of the cricketing world.
I understand he's pretty big role model in Pakistan due to his Boom-Boom batting style but make no mistake, in the cricketing world and among cricket fraternity he's regarded as one of the worst batter who wasted his talent/2 decades due to very same immature batting style "Boom Boom" despite playing for so long... Frickin 398 ODI.
I understand that he is not a consistent batsmen but he had few things which make him last for 2 decades in national cricket team. His "Boom Boom" style has become a brand and he was not only a batsmen. He won many match for Pakistan by his bowling. He could be used as a full time spinner. He was an all-rounder and one of the best and active fielder in the team.
Yes, he is known for Boom Boom but that does not mean he can be considered as an overall allrounder. He always played without any maturity and that has been one of the reasons why he is not taken seriously by the cricketing faternity.
~snip~
It has been quality of the Pakistani players that they always come up with the talent. They don't develop talent in the schools or domestic cricket but most of them are god gifted. You will not find players like Sohaib Akhtar , Shaid Afridi as those players had god gifted talent which made them super heroes of the cricketing world.
It has been quality of the Pakistani players that they always come up with the talent. They don't develop talent in the schools or domestic cricket but most of them are god gifted. You will not find players like Sohaib Akhtar , Shaid Afridi as those players had god gifted talent which made them super heroes of the cricketing world.
I understand he's pretty big role model in Pakistan due to his Boom-Boom batting style but make no mistake, in the cricketing world and among cricket fraternity he's regarded as one of the worst batter who wasted his talent/2 decades due to very same immature batting style "Boom Boom" despite playing for so long... Frickin 398 ODI.
I understand that he is not a consistent batsmen but he had few things which make him last for 2 decades in national cricket team. His "Boom Boom" style has become a brand and he was not only a batsmen. He won many match for Pakistan by his bowling. He could be used as a full time spinner. He was an all-rounder and one of the best and active fielder in the team.
I would like Bhuvi, Shami and Pant to return back to domestic cricket when they are not playing internationally. Because all 3 of them are not always in the side. Sometimes they are in and sometimes they are out. Domestic cricket will help them to get back their form and to continue just like consider it as a net practice. Also, the younger talent will get help when they play as they will learn and see them playing live for many those will be the role models who may be looking will also get a chance to play with them.
Bhuvanesh Kumar is injured and so is the reason he is not in the International set up and he needs to focus on fitness and Mohammed Shami is overcame his fitness issue and bowling really well and he needs rest rather than venturing into Domestic matches as India is playing more Test ODI and T20 and on top of that IPL and if they have a dip in form then they need to play domestic matches and in the case of Rishabh Pant he needs to have more exposure in the domestic setup and pile up runs to get the confidence to play International matches including improving his wicket keeping skills. The post by JSRAW is very informative. In particular, I am not very happy with Rohit Sharma, Shikhar Dhawan and Rishabh Pant. These guys should at least occasionally appear in the domestic matches. Rishabh Pant is just 22 years old and he is not a regular in the playing XI. If he shows attitude like this, then his career growth may get stunted.
In context of playing in the Ranji, i think Rohit always gets a pass because he's Mumbikar 
. Dhawan's test career is finished for good so he's never going to play in the Ranji ever, but he should feature in Vijay Hazare and Deodhar Trophy now and then. For more clarity, the reason we don't seen Rishabh in domestic arena because BCCI always keep him as a backup WC-Batsman in the all 3 squads (T-20, ODI, Test) and when he's not in the playing XI, he sits at the bench instead of representing India A or his state, so its kinda BCCI's fault not his.I would like Bhuvi, Shami and Pant to return back to domestic cricket when they are not playing internationally. Because all 3 of them are not always in the side. Sometimes they are in and sometimes they are out.
Tried to Cover Pant's situation above. Shami is playing more or less all 3 format and he's performing quite well. He's fast bowler so he deserve some rest when not playing any limited over cricket (T-20/ODI). TBH BCCI managing and rotating their fast bowlers quite well so i have no complaints as far as fast bowling is concern. Bhuvi's situation is worrisome due to his injuries though. I like him as a cricketer and person so i hope he makes his comeback in the squad or Ranji soon.PS : I forgot fast bowler Umesh Yadav. He's regular in Ranji as well
I would like Bhuvi, Shami and Pant to return back to domestic cricket when they are not playing internationally. Because all 3 of them are not always in the side. Sometimes they are in and sometimes they are out. Domestic cricket will help them to get back their form and to continue just like consider it as a net practice. Also, the younger talent will get help when they play as they will learn and see them playing live for many those will be the role models who may be looking will also get a chance to play with them.
The post by JSRAW is very informative. In particular, I am not very happy with Rohit Sharma, Shikhar Dhawan and Rishabh Pant. These guys should at least occasionally appear in the domestic matches. Rishabh Pant is just 22 years old and he is not a regular in the playing XI. If he shows attitude like this, then his career growth may get stunted.
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But those who are not playing regularly, should prove their worth in the domestic setup. Unfortunately, this is not happening in any of the South Asian nations (Pakistan, India, Sri Lanka.etc).
I thought players who are returning from a long lay off due to injury or when they are out of form should prove their worth by playing in the domestic tournament to proove their worth, if they are not competing in those tournament how are they going to showcase their talent and fitness to get to the national team. What is the method they are using for selection for these fringe players. But those who are not playing regularly, should prove their worth in the domestic setup. Unfortunately, this is not happening in any of the South Asian nations (Pakistan, India, Sri Lanka.etc).
Quick list of Indian players, i might have missed 1 or 2.
1. Kohli - His schedule is already packed as he plays all 3 format
2. Bumrah - Same as above
3. Rohit - Stopped playing domestic cricket. not regular in the Test format.
4. Ambati- Bad luck followed him after retiring from the domestic cricket, BCCI didn't like it and poor lad got kicked out from the national team.
5. Gill - Sometimes when not playing for India A
6. Iyer - When not playing for India or India A
7. Shikhar- Denied playing in the Ranji, kicked out from the test team.
8. Chahal/Kuldeep - They play but not much.
9. Bhuvi - Injured, he used to be a regular in all 3 squad
10. KL Rahul -Started playing in the domestic after kicked out from the Test Squad
11. Rishab - Stopped playing domestic cricket as he's regular member in the all 3 squad for quite some time.
12. Shami- Same as above
13. Jadega- Same as above
Regulars in Ranji /Domestic
14. Ishant- Checked
15. Ashwin - Checked
16. Pujara- Checked
17. Ajinkya- Checked
18. Mayank -Checked
19. Prithvi- Checked
20. Vihari -Checked
21. Saha - Checked
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1. Kohli - His schedule is already packed as he plays all 3 format
2. Bumrah - Same as above
3. Rohit - Stopped playing domestic cricket. not regular in the Test format.
4. Ambati- Bad luck followed him after retiring from the domestic cricket, BCCI didn't like it and poor lad got kicked out from the national team.
5. Gill - Sometimes when not playing for India A
6. Iyer - When not playing for India or India A
7. Shikhar- Denied playing in the Ranji, kicked out from the test team.
8. Chahal/Kuldeep - They play but not much.
9. Bhuvi - Injured, he used to be a regular in all 3 squad
10. KL Rahul -Started playing in the domestic after kicked out from the Test Squad
11. Rishab - Stopped playing domestic cricket as he's regular member in the all 3 squad for quite some time.
12. Shami- Same as above
13. Jadega- Same as above
Regulars in Ranji /Domestic
14. Ishant- Checked
15. Ashwin - Checked
16. Pujara- Checked
17. Ajinkya- Checked
18. Mayank -Checked
19. Prithvi- Checked
20. Vihari -Checked
21. Saha - Checked
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PS : I forgot fast bowler Umesh Yadav. He's regular in Ranji as well
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I am not sure about the situation in Pakistan. However if the BCCI implements a similar policy, it can never be implemented. Because very few of the national players take part in the Indian domestic tournaments. One reason is that the Ranji Trophy doesn't have the same glamour as the Sheffield Shield of Australia or the County cricket of England.
With the present international tight schedule how can these international players find time to play the domestic season and the players are not robots to play round the clock and the only time they get the opportunity to play is when they are trying to get back into the national team and with the surgance of franchise cricket there is no way these players will be interested in the domestic format as long as they can swing the bat and score some quick runs.I am not sure about the situation in Pakistan. However if the BCCI implements a similar policy, it can never be implemented. Because very few of the national players take part in the Indian domestic tournaments. One reason is that the Ranji Trophy doesn't have the same glamour as the Sheffield Shield of Australia or the County cricket of England.
It is understandable, if the regular players skip the domestic matches. But what is the excuse for the fringe players, to not to play the domestic matches? Let's assume that there are 7-8 players who are guaranteed of slots in the playing XI for the national team. But those who are not playing regularly, should prove their worth in the domestic setup. Unfortunately, this is not happening in any of the South Asian nations (Pakistan, India, Sri Lanka.etc).
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This is really sad side of Pakistan cricket as they never develop players and give them some good lessons for long run as one player is in team he feel now he is best once Bob Wolmer give instructions to PCB about this but sadly no one agree with him and we lost many players like boom few examples Imran Nazir never try to solve his mystery and fail even very good player.
You cannot blame the cricket board for your inconsistancies, there were many talented players in the past who missed out big time like Mark Ramprakash who was a great first class player but could not translate that to international cricket and that is the case with Michael Bevan who was an exception ODI player but could not perform well in Test cricket and Imran Nazir and Afridi does have the solid defense to be a great run scoring machine and all they know is aggressive attacking style and without a solid defense you cannot succeed in the international level and as a player it is their responsibility to pick and choose which ball to attack and which ball to leave. This is really sad side of Pakistan cricket as they never develop players and give them some good lessons for long run as one player is in team he feel now he is best once Bob Wolmer give instructions to PCB about this but sadly no one agree with him and we lost many players like boom few examples Imran Nazir never try to solve his mystery and fail even very good player.
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It has been quality of the Pakistani players that they always come up with the talent. They don't develop talent in the schools or domestic cricket but most of them are god gifted. You will not find players like Sohaib Akhtar , Shaid Afridi as those players had god gifted talent which made them super heroes of the cricketing world.
It has been quality of the Pakistani players that they always come up with the talent. They don't develop talent in the schools or domestic cricket but most of them are god gifted. You will not find players like Sohaib Akhtar , Shaid Afridi as those players had god gifted talent which made them super heroes of the cricketing world.
I understand he's pretty big role model in Pakistan due to his Boom-Boom batting style but make no mistake, in the cricketing world and among cricket fraternity he's regarded as one of the worst batter who wasted his talent/2 decades due to very same immature batting style "Boom Boom" despite playing for so long... Frickin 398 ODI.
~snip~
It has been quality of the Pakistani players that they always come up with the talent. They don't develop talent in the schools or domestic cricket but most of them are god gifted. You will not find players like Sohaib Akhtar , Shaid Afridi as those players had god gifted talent which made them super heroes of the cricketing world.
It has been quality of the Pakistani players that they always come up with the talent. They don't develop talent in the schools or domestic cricket but most of them are god gifted. You will not find players like Sohaib Akhtar , Shaid Afridi as those players had god gifted talent which made them super heroes of the cricketing world.
I understand he's pretty big role model in Pakistan due to his Boom-Boom batting style but make no mistake, in the cricketing world and among cricket fraternity he's regarded as one of the worst batter who wasted his talent/2 decades due to very same immature batting style "Boom Boom" despite playing for so long... Frickin 398 ODI.
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I will give you a few examples. Waqar Younis was actually spotted by Imran Khan during the late 1980s during a club competition. Imran groomed him and made sure that he gets quality training. Similarly, it was Majid Khan who spotted Shoaib Akhar during a similar club competition. Those days are long gone. The senior players are no longer handpicking any of the promising players from the domestic scene.
So the club cricket is really huge in Pakistan and i have heard about footballers being picked like that and then groomed by good coaches in bigger clubs. I have heard about the same situation about the West Indies team in the past in a documentary that they used to pick players from clubs and beach cricket and that is how they found genuine pace bowlers and fast tracked into the international team and if every team could scout the entire nation like that then they will find extremely talented players playing for small clubs. I will give you a few examples. Waqar Younis was actually spotted by Imran Khan during the late 1980s during a club competition. Imran groomed him and made sure that he gets quality training. Similarly, it was Majid Khan who spotted Shoaib Akhar during a similar club competition. Those days are long gone. The senior players are no longer handpicking any of the promising players from the domestic scene.
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I am not sure about the situation in Pakistan. However if the BCCI implements a similar policy, it can never be implemented. Because very few of the national players take part in the Indian domestic tournaments. One reason is that the Ranji Trophy doesn't have the same glamour as the Sheffield Shield of Australia or the County cricket of England.
With the present international tight schedule how can these international players find time to play the domestic season and the players are not robots to play round the clock and the only time they get the opportunity to play is when they are trying to get back into the national team and with the surgance of franchise cricket there is no way these players will be interested in the domestic format as long as they can swing the bat and score some quick runs. I am not sure about the situation in Pakistan. However if the BCCI implements a similar policy, it can never be implemented. Because very few of the national players take part in the Indian domestic tournaments. One reason is that the Ranji Trophy doesn't have the same glamour as the Sheffield Shield of Australia or the County cricket of England.
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