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Quote from: JSRAW on December 26, 2019, 10:40:54 AM

Not sure, if anyone noticing slow over rate. for quite some time teams keep repeating this. every team delaying overs, same thing happened today in SA vs Eng. first day stump and 7 overs short. ICC need to do something about it. % of fees is not affecting captains at all and teams are not taking this seriously.

10% or 20% fine from the match fees is a joke. If the ICC wants to make sure that the over rate is maintained, then they should penalize by either deducting runs from the side that is responsible for the delay, or award extra runs for the opposite side. Financial penalties have a disproportionately negative impact on smaller teams such as West Indies, while the bigger teams may chose to ignore it.

Cricketing world is divided on this matter and ICC is confused as far as i understand. ICC gets heat from experts when game lose the overs, Fees penalty is not working. they did ban Windies captain recently due to same reason and decision didn't go well. "Deducting runs" could work on some cases but its very controversial decision.

this is a good article
https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/25978697/breaches-bans-all-need-know-rate-offences

The way kiwis are playing, they might not able to witness full house in Aus anytime soon.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on December 26, 2019, 11:13:13 PM

You know... the international matches are very aggressively contested these days and with the ICC World Test Championship coming in to the picture, the result of each test match has become extremely significant. The real intention of the BCB may be to deny home advantage for Pakistan and thereby gain some valuable points for the World Test Championship. If the match takes place in Dubai or Abu Dhabi instead of Karachi or Lahore, then Bangladesh will be in a much better position to compete against Pakistan.

I don't think that the real reason behind it. The ICC World Test Championship goes like this, Nine of the Twelve Test-playing nations (IND, AUS, NZ, ENG, RSA, PAK, SL, WI, BAN) each of whom will play a Test series against six of the other eight teams. All teams will play Six series (3 Home and 3 Away). Each series consists of between two and five matches. Each team will be able to score a maximum of 120 points from each series and the two teams with the most points at the end of the league stage will contest the final. In the case of a draw or a tie in the final, the two teams playing the final will be declared joint champions.

So, if the match is played on a neutral ground it won't be considered for the ICC World Test Championship rankings.

At one point AUS were looking somewhere around 550-600 runs. But NZ somehow managed to comeback into the game by taking 5 quick wickets after TEA and restricted the Aussies to 467. Currently, they are 1 down scoring 27 runs. I don't understand what's there are in a hurry to score runs. Blundell should have gone for a slower and steadier form of play rather than trying to score every ball. I hope NZ slow and steadily play for atleast 1 day and a half Wink

Edit: Not gonna happen if NZ play like this Undecided

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AUS scored huge first innings score of 467 and now NZ started a bit shaky since they lost their first wicket and scoring at 28/1,very few overs remaining for the stumps so better they have to keep their wickets and starts fresh on day 3 and then start scoring more.

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Day 1 of of SA vs England belong to England as they rightly choose to bowl And got 9 wickets for just 277. Knock played well and just missed his century by 5 runs and now England would like to bat well and make atleast 400 runs to take good lead .

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Quote from: ene1980 on December 26, 2019, 05:15:01 PM

Quote from: Raja_MBZ on December 26, 2019, 04:15:34 PM

Bangladesh ready for Pakistan tour but demand Test series on neutral venueb
BTW, didn't Bangladesh get the Test cricket status because of Pakistan back in the 1990's? Tongue

I really do not understand the logic behind this strange demand, i always thought that the issue should be because of the fear of terrorism and now Bangladesh is willing to tour the country but for limited overs match and not for Test matches and what is the specific reason they are coming up with this demand, the terrorist will plan for 4 days and bomb the final day Roll Eyes

. What ever strange demands they put up i would like to hear the reason they wanted a neutral venue.

You know... the international matches are very aggressively contested these days and with the ICC World Test Championship coming in to the picture, the result of each test match has become extremely significant. The real intention of the BCB may be to deny home advantage for Pakistan and thereby gain some valuable points for the World Test Championship. If the match takes place in Dubai or Abu Dhabi instead of Karachi or Lahore, then Bangladesh will be in a much better position to compete against Pakistan.

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Quote from: Indymoney on December 26, 2019, 04:57:53 PM

Quote from: Raja_MBZ on December 26, 2019, 04:15:34 PM

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Bangladesh Cricket Board and Government doing politics nothing else but I beleive if Pakistan Cricket Board stand with strong decision then surely they will come or lost points in test championship because recently Bangladesh women tour Pakistan and all happen without any problem its really matter of shame for them as they are involving politics in this game.

I agree.

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Quote from: Raja_MBZ on December 26, 2019, 04:15:34 PM

Bangladesh ready for Pakistan tour but demand Test series on neutral venueb
BTW, didn't Bangladesh get the Test cricket status because of Pakistan back in the 1990's? Tongue

I really do not understand the logic behind this strange demand, i always thought that the issue should be because of the fear of terrorism and now Bangladesh is willing to tour the country but for limited overs match and not for Test matches and what is the specific reason they are coming up with this demand, the terrorist will plan for 4 days and bomb the final day Roll Eyes

. What ever strange demands they put up i would like to hear the reason they wanted a neutral venue.

You made a good point. Heh, it makes me think that maybe the issue is something else? Roll Eyes

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Quote from: Raja_MBZ on December 26, 2019, 04:15:34 PM

Bangladesh ready for Pakistan tour but demand Test series on neutral venueb
BTW, didn't Bangladesh get the Test cricket status because of Pakistan back in the 1990's? Tongue

I really do not understand the logic behind this strange demand, i always thought that the issue should be because of the fear of terrorism and now Bangladesh is willing to tour the country but for limited overs match and not for Test matches and what is the specific reason they are coming up with this demand, the terrorist will plan for 4 days and bomb the final day Roll Eyes

. What ever strange demands they put up i would like to hear the reason they wanted a neutral venue.

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Quote from: Raja_MBZ on December 26, 2019, 04:15:34 PM

We've got an update:

Bangladesh ready for Pakistan tour but demand Test series on neutral venue

https://www.geosuper.tv/latest/3320-bangladesh-insist-on-neutral-venue-for-pakistan-tests

BTW, didn't Bangladesh get the Test cricket status because of Pakistan back in the 1990's? Tongue

Bangladesh Cricket Board and Government doing politics nothing else but I beleive if Pakistan Cricket Board stand with strong decision then surely they will come or lost points in test championship because recently Bangladesh women tour Pakistan and all happen without any problem its really matter of shame for them as they are involving politics in this game.

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We've got an update:

Bangladesh ready for Pakistan tour but demand Test series on neutral venue

https://www.geosuper.tv/latest/3320-bangladesh-insist-on-neutral-venue-for-pakistan-tests

BTW, didn't Bangladesh get the Test cricket status because of Pakistan back in the 1990's? Tongue

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Quote from: mersal on December 26, 2019, 12:10:14 PM

Captains will be fined in these scenarios normally if the match goes for final over and final day but most of the matches not getting last longer so ICC didn't consider it much though.300 looks completely possible the final tail could get there with another 23 runs on the boards and not to mention the avg first innings score on that ground is just 328 so they are getting nearly par.

If you take into consideration the average first innings score then South Africa is pretty close to the par score but they batted really poorly and they were gifting wickets to the England bowlers and if not for the resistance of Quinton de Kock and Pretorius they would have folded much early, what i would like to know is the par second innings score in this pitch and whether the pitch will remain the same in the final two days, if it is the old pitch in Centurion it usually remains the same even in the final day but now a days i am not following cricket that much to understand the changes in pitch preparation.

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Quote from: JSRAW on December 26, 2019, 10:40:54 AM

Not sure, if anyone noticing slow over rate. for quite some time teams keep repeating this. every team delaying overs, same thing happened today in SA vs Eng. first day stump and 7 overs short. ICC need to do something about it. % of fees is not affecting captains at all and teams are not taking this seriously.

Captains will be fined in these scenarios normally if the match goes for final over and final day but most of the matches not getting last longer so ICC didn't consider it much though.300 looks completely possible the final tail could get there with another 23 runs on the boards and not to mention the avg first innings score on that ground is just 328 so they are getting nearly par.

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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on December 26, 2019, 11:42:24 AM

10% or 20% fine from the match fees is a joke. If the ICC wants to make sure that the over rate is maintained, then they should penalize by either deducting runs from the side that is responsible for the delay, or award extra runs for the opposite side. Financial penalties have a disproportionately negative impact on smaller teams such as West Indies, while the bigger teams may chose to ignore it.

How do you even calculate how much runs should be penalized and it is not the proper way, if the captain is purposely slowing down the over rate then he will get suspended for a few games and that is the rules and they will get penalized and i do not want to see a change in that decision as it will create another mysterious rule that confuses people, less confusion more enjoyable it will be.

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Quote from: JSRAW on December 26, 2019, 10:40:54 AM

Not sure, if anyone noticing slow over rate. for quite some time teams keep repeating this. every team delaying overs, same thing happened today in SA vs Eng. first day stump and 7 overs short. ICC need to do something about it. % of fees is not affecting captains at all and teams are not taking this seriously.

10% or 20% fine from the match fees is a joke. If the ICC wants to make sure that the over rate is maintained, then they should penalize by either deducting runs from the side that is responsible for the delay, or award extra runs for the opposite side. Financial penalties have a disproportionately negative impact on smaller teams such as West Indies, while the bigger teams may chose to ignore it.

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Really surprised to see that South Africa managed to score 277 runs despite having a really poor start and at one point lost half their side when the scores reached a Nelson and then they were able to build a partnership with the debut player Pretorius and de Kock which saved the face of South Africa and now they have lost 9 wickets and Philander is still in the crease and anything from this score in the morning is a bonus for South Africa and the problem with England is that Ben Stokes is not feeling well and we might not even see come out to back because of sickness.

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Not sure, if anyone noticing slow over rate. for quite some time teams keep repeating this. every team delaying overs, same thing happened today in SA vs Eng. first day stump and 7 overs short. ICC need to do something about it. % of fees is not affecting captains at all and teams are not taking this seriously.

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8 overs remaining for today. If South Africa manages to survive, then it will be a huge moral booster for them. A total of somewhere around 300 is going to put a lot of pressure on England. The poor form of Jofra Archer seriously affected the English bowling prospects. And it was surprising to see the English captain (Joe Root) sticking with him. I believe that Root should have given more overs to in form bowlers such as Sam Curran.

Edit: South Africa just lost their 9th wicket. Kagiso Rabada cleaned up by Stuart Broad. South Africa need to survive another 7.2 overs with one wicket remaining (Vernon Philander / Anrich Nortje at crease).

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Quote from: SaShiRaJaVu on December 26, 2019, 09:54:16 AM

the maximum they can add is 50 more runs and they have reached 252 runs and there is plenty of overs left in the day to finish them and start the English innings. Pakistan was also in a similar situation recently and then came back from behind and won the match and lets see whether the South African bowlers can bowl well to restrict them.

South Africa lost their 8th wicket and yet they somehow reached 261 runs and Philander is somehow timing the ball and if he can smash a few boundaries and take the score close to 300 then it would a good for the bowlers to aim at something and put pressure back to the England batsman, plenty of time and they need to stay on the crease as long as possible rather than throwing the wicket away.

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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on December 26, 2019, 09:00:17 AM

I guess they may end up with somewhere around 240-250.

Sam Curran broke the South African dream of having a good first innings score as Quinton de Kock got out 5 short of his century and now the tail is exposed and the maximum they can add is 50 more runs and they have reached 252 runs and there is plenty of overs left in the day to finish them and start the English innings. Pakistan was also in a similar situation recently and then came back from behind and won the match and lets see whether the South African bowlers can bowl well to restrict them.

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Quote from: JSRAW on December 26, 2019, 07:49:47 AM

Quote from: akhjob on December 26, 2019, 06:56:25 AM

Yeah, SA are really in a pitiable situation without the likes of Amla and ABD Undecided

I think this match is going to be an easy win for ENG.

Its early to say "easy win for Eng". this game is wide open and English batting line up is not great as well when ball moves. lets wait for their inning, only benefit for English batsmen is 2 new test bowlers of SA ( Dwaine Pretorius and Anrich Nortje).

Valid point there. Let's hope Philander and Rabada give there best and give a win for the team and ME Grin

Anyways, a good partnership between de Kock and Pretorius had helped SA cross the 200 mark. Now that de Kock is gone, it'll be a hard task for SA to touch 300 runs with just three wickets in hand. But I kind of trust the SA lower-order batsmen that the top-order.

@Vishnu.Reang 300 seems achievable even at this point, Sam Curran is the one who is taking wickets and breaking partnerships. SA lower-order is better than Indian lower-order batsmen Tongue

The other game between AUS and NZ went nicely, it didn't go as NZ would have planned. But if NZ somehow manage to get them all out around 350 tomorrow and drag the match a little bit for a draw, I'll be happy once again Grin

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Quote from: mersal on December 26, 2019, 08:38:44 AM

208 for 6 and de kock is still in the crease so reaching anywhere near 300 would be a fighting total from now on to RSA,hope they could play at least for entire today to achieve it and need much help from tails too.Its too early to say this match will be easy win for ENG because the pitch will remain same nearly for second day as well so same scenarios might happen to them as well.

With just 4 wickets in hand, do you really think that they can score another 90 plus runs? I don't think so. Sam Curran just got Dwaine Pretorius out and the tail has started for South Africa with the entry of Vernon Philander. Now I have to state here that the South African lower order is not considered very strong in batting (especially Kagiso Rabada and Anrich Nortje). I guess they may end up with somewhere around 240-250.

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