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Quote from: JSRAW on May 12, 2020, 11:09:06 AM

But need extra push if BCCI wants to improve their record in SENA countries. I hope Ganguly pass some law or something " Go bananas with 25% Indian pitches and turn into heaven for Seam, Fast bowlers __Nightmare for batsmen" make it mandatory for every state.

If they want to improve their performance in the SENA nations, then having green pitches is definitely one of the top priorities. Along with that, there should be a few other steps. About two decades back, the India A and India U-23 teams used to tour countries such as Australia and England regularly. The tours still happen, but they have become very infrequent. Another aspect where I want the BCCI to focus is on the MRF Pace Foundation. Until Dennis Lillee was there (till 2012), it was producing a huge number of quality pace bowlers. But now, the quality seems to have gone down. On paper, Glenn McGrath is the Director. But he has other priorities.

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They should but kinda complicated task as vishnu mentioned "State board decision". If i am being completely honest then i don't mind if BCCI twisting any state board's arm on this matter, do what's necessary as long as its beneficial for Indian cricket.

I think it is hard to maintain a green turf in hot and humid conditions and that is the biggest issue we are not seeing green turf in hot and dry climate areas, if the preparation was that easy they would have already prepare atleast one green turf before major tours considering BCCI has the biggest muscle power economically. If there are suitable places in India with moderate or cool climate then they can prepare a green wicket and BCCI can fund them to sustain the pitch.

Yeah its true but it can be manage as India has 4-6 different seasons throughout the year, depends how you look at it. Domestic games gets lined up during the winter season so they can do thing or two during this 2 month window (Dec-Jan) if they are really serious about it.

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Quote from: JSRAW on May 13, 2020, 07:43:06 AM

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They should but kinda complicated task as vishnu mentioned "State board decision". If i am being completely honest then i don't mind if BCCI twisting any state board's arm on this matter, do what's necessary as long as its beneficial for Indian cricket.

I think it is hard to maintain a green turf in hot and humid conditions and that is the biggest issue we are not seeing green turf in hot and dry climate areas, if the preparation was that easy they would have already prepared atleast one green turf before major tours considering BCCI has the biggest muscle power economically. If there are suitable places in India with moderate or cool climate then they can prepare a green wicket and BCCI can fund them to sustain the pitch.

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But in the end, the decision is up to the state boards and not with the BCCI. They will prepare pitches, which will suit their domestic teams.

But need extra push if BCCI wants to improve their record in SENA countries. I hope Ganguly pass some law or something " Go bananas with 25% Indian pitches and turn into heaven for Seam, Fast bowlers __Nightmare for batsmen" make it mandatory for every state.

India is biggest cricketing country and they have most cricket grounds so now this is good time for them to do some work on this and give youngsters this opportunity at home for bringing some more interesting cricket because they can do this all very quickly few pitches like Aus/NZ and few like England really great work and long term benefit.

They should but kinda complicated task as vishnu mentioned "State board decision". If i am being completely honest then i don't mind if BCCI twisting any state board's arm on this matter, do what's necessary as long as its beneficial for Indian cricket.

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Everyone is going down the drain for them but they have very much to gain if they take things seriously (Every crisis brings new opportunists as well). Coming back to India, I would say BCCI need to do something about pitches. India is big country and have many international grounds so they can diversify pitch behavior according to SENA countries, it can benefit Indian cricket in a long run IMO.

Actually this is an area where there have been some slight improvements recently. Some of the new grounds, such as Dharamshala have pitches that give adequate support for the pace bowlers. But in the end, the decision is up to the state boards and not with the BCCI. They will prepare pitches, which will suit their domestic teams. That said, domestic teams such as Punjab have prepared pace-friendly pitches in the past.

But need extra push if BCCI wants to improve their record in SENA countries. I hope Ganguly pass some law or something " Go bananas with 25% Indian pitches and turn into heaven for Seam, Fast bowlers __Nightmare for batsmen" make it mandatory for every state.

India is biggest cricketing country and they have most cricket grounds so now this is good time for them to do some work on this and give youngsters this opportunity at home for bringing some more interesting cricket because they can do this all very quickly few pitches like Aus/NZ and few like England really great work and long term benefit.

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Quote from: JSRAW on May 12, 2020, 08:11:24 AM

Everyone is going down the drain for them but they have very much to gain if they take things seriously (Every crisis brings new opportunists as well). Coming back to India, I would say BCCI need to do something about pitches. India is big country and have many international grounds so they can diversify pitch behavior according to SENA countries, it can benefit Indian cricket in a long run IMO.

Actually this is an area where there have been some slight improvements recently. Some of the new grounds, such as Dharamshala have pitches that give adequate support for the pace bowlers. But in the end, the decision is up to the state boards and not with the BCCI. They will prepare pitches, which will suit their domestic teams. That said, domestic teams such as Punjab have prepared pace-friendly pitches in the past.

But need extra push if BCCI wants to improve their record in SENA countries. I hope Ganguly pass some law or something " Go bananas with 25% Indian pitches and turn into heaven for Seam, Fast bowlers __Nightmare for batsmen" make it mandatory for every state.

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Quote from: JSRAW on May 12, 2020, 08:11:24 AM

Everyone is going down the drain for them but they have very much to gain if they take things seriously (Every crisis brings new opportunists as well). Coming back to India, I would say BCCI need to do something about pitches. India is big country and have many international grounds so they can diversify pitch behavior according to SENA countries, it can benefit Indian cricket in a long run IMO.

Actually this is an area where there have been some slight improvements recently. Some of the new grounds, such as Dharamshala have pitches that give adequate support for the pace bowlers. But in the end, the decision is up to the state boards and not with the BCCI. They will prepare pitches, which will suit their domestic teams. That said, domestic teams such as Punjab have prepared pace-friendly pitches in the past.

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Quote from: JSRAW on May 10, 2020, 10:02:20 PM

Pakistan - They have shitload amount of talent but they are $ucking up everything. Even quality bowler like Amir took early retirement from the Test format.

Bangladesh - I used to have very high hopes from them but they are going down the drain.

Sri Lanka - Management sucks and then it impact their team.

Windies - Plenty of talent but majority of them want to become mercenaries, now they are taking things seriously though.

In all these cases - they need to improve the domestic circuit. Domestic cricket in Bangladesh and Pakistan is much below par. It is no where when compared to Ranji Trophy of India or Sheffield Shield of Australia. Country cricket of England is miles ahead. I would say even teams such as Netherlands and Scotland are having a better domestic setup. And the less we talk about Sri Lanka, that better. Domestic cricket in Sri Lanka is a joke.

Everyone is going down the drain for them but they have very much to gain if they take things seriously (Every crisis brings new opportunists as well). Coming back to India, I would say BCCI need to do something about pitches. India is big country and have many international grounds so they can diversify pitch behavior according to SENA countries, it can benefit Indian cricket in a long run IMO.

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Coming to other teams, do we really think that Pakistan, Bangladesh, Srilanka, Windies were taking Test format seriously? I doubt that..

It might be not about taking things seriously, the lack of talent to play the longer format or the lack of capacity of a cricket board to find good test caliber players is the problem here. Even the mindset of the young generation changed and they want to play only attacking cricket and test players will be ancient history in the next decade.

Pakistan - They have shitload amount of talent but they are $ucking up everything. Even quality bowler like Amir took early retirement from the Test format.

Bangladesh - I used to have very high hopes from them but they are going down the drain.

@jsraw when it comes to Pakistan I believe that it’s their ex players fault as they have failed to develop Pakistan’s young player’s, because they’re constantly helping out other countries bowlers or batsmen develop their skills.

I’m not sure if I really expected anything from Bangladesh team ever, because I have always considered them as team who’ll only win by fluke, so we pretty much share the same thoughts on their performances.

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https://cricketaddictor.com/cricket/mohammed-shami-wasim-akram-zaheer-khan/

https://crickettimes.com/2020/05/shoaib-akhtar-expresses-his-desire-to-coach-the-indian-bowling-unit/

In Pakistan biggest issue is management because we have very few good peoples on these posts and they are not authorize to bring some revolutionary changes so just because of this we are not doing as its need to be many talentend players wastes as they have no proper system to develop skills and its not going to change in near future as well.
Bangladesh is really going down and I am feeling sad for them as they was very good but suddenly all thngs going against them which is really wired for me.

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Quote from: JSRAW on May 10, 2020, 10:02:20 PM

Pakistan - They have shitload amount of talent but they are $ucking up everything. Even quality bowler like Amir took early retirement from the Test format.

Bangladesh - I used to have very high hopes from them but they are going down the drain.

Sri Lanka - Management sucks and then it impact their team.

Windies - Plenty of talent but majority of them want to become mercenaries, now they are taking things seriously though.

In all these cases - they need to improve the domestic circuit. Domestic cricket in Bangladesh and Pakistan is much below par. It is no where when compared to Ranji Trophy of India or Sheffield Shield of Australia. Country cricket of England is miles ahead. I would say even teams such as Netherlands and Scotland are having a better domestic setup. And the less we talk about Sri Lanka, that better. Domestic cricket in Sri Lanka is a joke.

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Quote from: JSRAW on May 10, 2020, 10:02:20 PM

Quote from: SaShiRaJaVu on May 10, 2020, 06:21:06 PM

Quote from: JSRAW on May 09, 2020, 07:00:31 PM

Coming to other teams, do we really think that Pakistan, Bangladesh, Srilanka, Windies were taking Test format seriously? I doubt that..

It might be not about taking things seriously, the lack of talent to play the longer format or the lack of capacity of a cricket board to find good test caliber players is the problem here. Even the mindset of the young generation changed and they want to play only attacking cricket and test players will be ancient history in the next decade.

Pakistan - They have shitload amount of talent but they are $ucking up everything. Even quality bowler like Amir took early retirement from the Test format.

Bangladesh - I used to have very high hopes from them but they are going down the drain.

@jsraw when it comes to Pakistan I believe that it’s their ex players fault as they have failed to develop Pakistan’s young player’s, because they’re constantly helping out other countries bowlers or batsmen develop their skills.

I’m not sure if I really expected anything from Bangladesh team ever, because I have always considered them as team who’ll only win by fluke, so we pretty much share the same thoughts on their performances.

Source:

https://cricketaddictor.com/cricket/mohammed-shami-wasim-akram-zaheer-khan/

https://crickettimes.com/2020/05/shoaib-akhtar-expresses-his-desire-to-coach-the-indian-bowling-unit/

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Quote from: SaShiRaJaVu on May 10, 2020, 06:21:06 PM

Quote from: JSRAW on May 09, 2020, 07:00:31 PM

Coming to other teams, do we really think that Pakistan, Bangladesh, Srilanka, Windies were taking Test format seriously? I doubt that..

It might be not about taking things seriously, the lack of talent to play the longer format or the lack of capacity of a cricket board to find good test caliber players is the problem here. Even the mindset of the young generation changed and they want to play only attacking cricket and test players will be ancient history in the next decade.

Pakistan - They have shitload amount of talent but they are $ucking up everything. Even quality bowler like Amir took early retirement from the Test format.

Bangladesh - I used to have very high hopes from them but they are going down the drain.

Sri Lanka - Management sucks and then it impact their team.

Windies - Plenty of talent but majority of them want to become mercenaries, now they are taking things seriously though.

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Quote from: JSRAW on May 09, 2020, 07:00:31 PM

Coming to other teams, do we really think that Pakistan, Bangladesh, Srilanka, Windies were taking Test format seriously? I doubt that..

It might be not about taking things seriously, the lack of talent to play the longer format or the lack of capacity of a cricket board to find good test caliber players is the problem here. Even the mindset of the young generation changed and they want to play only attacking cricket and test players will be ancient history in the next decade.

Quote from: JSRAW on May 09, 2020, 07:00:31 PM

Atleast after "Test Championship" they are trying as their series has some sort of meaning due to point table, Its not enough but that's a start.

There are results in test matches in the past 2 years unlike earlier where majority of the matches end up in a draw and the Test Championship will help a bit in playing attacking cricket rather than going for a draw.

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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on May 10, 2020, 07:52:24 AM

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This is a very interesting stat. If these figures are true, then it is clear that on the contrary to the argument, most of the nations are prioritizing test cricket. For example, England played 60 days of test cricket when compared to 22 days of ODI cricket. This is an amazing statistic.

England and Australia usually plays more test matches and if you look at the bigger picture there were only 38 test matches played between the test playing teams in 2019 and in that England played 12 test matches and it is not a great statistics overall while there were 158 ODI matches, no idea how many T20 played in 2019 but there will be many series that were played.

Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on May 10, 2020, 07:52:24 AM

I would rather ask the major boards to prioritize ODI and T20 formats instead of test, as the revenues are higher with the shorter formats.

How would you accomplish that Tongue

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Quote from: Sithara007 on May 09, 2020, 01:26:27 PM

I am not sure whether the nations are ignoring test cricket. Let's take some examples:

England played 12 test matches in 2019. That is, 60 days and 5,400 overs reserved for test cricket. On the other hand, during the same period they played 22 ODI matches. That means just 22 days and 2,200 overs. Now how can you say that they are not giving importance for test cricket?

This is a very interesting stat. If these figures are true, then it is clear that on the contrary to the argument, most of the nations are prioritizing test cricket. For example, England played 60 days of test cricket when compared to 22 days of ODI cricket. This is an amazing statistic. I would rather ask the major boards to prioritize ODI and T20 formats instead of test, as the revenues are higher with the shorter formats.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on May 09, 2020, 01:26:27 PM

Quote from: JSRAW on May 09, 2020, 03:28:55 AM

for quite some time test playing nations (except 3-4) were ignoring the 5 day cricket

I am not sure whether the nations are ignoring test cricket. Let's take some examples:

England played 12 test matches in 2019. That is, 60 days and 5,400 overs reserved for test cricket. On the other hand, during the same period they played 22 ODI matches. That means just 22 days and 2,200 overs. Now how can you say that they are not giving importance for test cricket?

I should have said "Top 4 teams" instead of 3-4 nations.

Coming to other teams, do we really think that Pakistan, Bangladesh, Srilanka, Windies were taking Test format seriously? I doubt that..

Atleast after "Test Championship" they are trying as their series has some sort of meaning due to point table, Its not enough but that's a start.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on May 09, 2020, 01:26:27 PM

Quote from: JSRAW on May 09, 2020, 03:28:55 AM

Do we need World Test Championship?

I would say yes, for quite some time test playing nations (except 3-4) were ignoring the 5 day cricket due to T-20/Franchise or different reasons. Its kinda changed after introducing WTC, they are atleast trying. Current point system and fixtures are not perfect but its something which we already discussed many times here.

Yeah, The draft i posted is not practical at any cost. Its hypothetical unless ICC says "#&%# revenue"

I am not sure whether the nations are ignoring test cricket. Let's take some examples:

England played 12 test matches in 2019. That is, 60 days and 5,400 overs reserved for test cricket. On the other hand, during the same period they played 22 ODI matches. That means just 22 days and 2,200 overs. Now how can you say that they are not giving importance for test cricket?

Its a fact few countries really trying or want to ignore test cricket because they have not good revenue and better response from crowd about this just very few countries have good and profitable system for test cricket so just because of this practically this is not good idea for world test championship.

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Quote from: JSRAW on May 09, 2020, 03:28:55 AM

Do we need World Test Championship?

I would say yes, for quite some time test playing nations (except 3-4) were ignoring the 5 day cricket due to T-20/Franchise or different reasons. Its kinda changed after introducing WTC, they are atleast trying. Current point system and fixtures are not perfect but its something which we already discussed many times here.

Yeah, The draft i posted is not practical at any cost. Its hypothetical unless ICC says "#&%# revenue"

I am not sure whether the nations are ignoring test cricket. Let's take some examples:

England played 12 test matches in 2019. That is, 60 days and 5,400 overs reserved for test cricket. On the other hand, during the same period they played 22 ODI matches. That means just 22 days and 2,200 overs. Now how can you say that they are not giving importance for test cricket?

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Yeah, That's why i said at the very start "Genuine World Test Cup" need 1 year window without any international cricket. its another discussion if ICC/boards are okay with or not but that's a real reason World Test Championship is running for 2 years.

The first thing is that do we really need to conduct the test championship? The way it is conducted now has no interest for anyone and the model which you presented is much better but consumes a lot of time which i think is not practical.

Do we need World Test Championship?

I would say yes, for quite some time test playing nations (except 3-4) were ignoring the 5 day cricket due to T-20/Franchise or different reasons. Its kinda changed after introducing WTC, they are atleast trying. Current point system and fixtures are not perfect but its something which we already discussed many times here.

Yeah, The draft i posted is not practical at any cost. Its hypothetical unless ICC says "#&%# revenue"

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Quote from: JSRAW on May 09, 2020, 12:56:54 AM

Yeah, That's why i said at the very start "Genuine World Test Cup" need 1 year window without any international cricket. its another discussion if ICC/boards are okay with or not but that's a real reason World Test Championship is running for 2 years.

The first thing is that do we really need to conduct the test championship? The way it is conducted now has no interest for anyone and the model which you presented is much better but consumes a lot of time which i think is not practical.

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