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@akhjob: Yeah let's see.

Here you go fellas, its 2017 again - Cricket Australia and Players face off coming soon over pay cuts due to massive revenue loss. Significant loss in revenue means more cut in salary/contracts.
Gentle Reminder : Last time Warner led the protest.
Players enraged as pay dispute looms after grim financial prediction

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Another showdown between players and Cricket Australia is on the horizon with the organisation predicting a massive drop in revenue next season of almost 50 per cent.
Sydney Morning Herald reports that the players association was meeting on Thursday to decide on a formal position, but it’s expected that CA’s dire projection won’t be accepted.

The players, who fought hard with CA in 2017 to win a revenue-share model, are reportedly baffled by the projection given India’s visit — worth around $300 million — is expected to go ahead.

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CA also predicts reduced revenue for the 2021-22 season, in which England will tour for the Ashes and this year’s T20 World Cup could belatedly take place, the publication reports.

Sources told SMH that CA indicated as recently as April that revenue was expected to rise above $450 million.

Income received that exceeds CA’s prediction goes to the organisation until the end of the pay deal in 2022 when it is eventually passed on to the players.

According to the publication, CA believes it can avoid a deficit by next June by securing a $100 million line of credit, saving $65 million in staff cuts and reducing state grants by $28 million.

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Quote from: BitSat19 on June 04, 2020, 12:44:31 PM

Quote from: JSRAW on June 04, 2020, 06:34:01 AM

It was cheeky comment from my side Cheesy

No doubt Windies is in mess due to their own wrongdoings but No one know actual reason of recent withdrawal from the couple of players so we shouldn't jump into any conclusions.

Now this is nothing new as we have many decades of mess and wrongdoings in West Indies cricket and board they fail to solve issues on table and every time when they are going to be some good few players started their own tricks very sad for West Indies and cricket.

Also you can see the performace of the West Indies team for last 20 years. Apart from some good wins in T20, they have nothing much to show. One of the reason of West Indies team decline is this politics within the team and no proper structure pf the cricket in their country.

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Quote from: JSRAW on June 04, 2020, 06:34:01 AM

It was cheeky comment from my side Cheesy

No doubt Windies is in mess due to their own wrongdoings but No one know actual reason of recent withdrawal from the couple of players so we shouldn't jump into any conclusions.

Now this is nothing new as we have many decades of mess and wrongdoings in West Indies cricket and board they fail to solve issues on table and every time when they are going to be some good few players started their own tricks very sad for West Indies and cricket.

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Quote from: JSRAW on June 03, 2020, 10:45:39 AM

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It's good to see some cricketing action. But already some of the WI players like Bravo, Hetmeyer and Keemo Paul have refused to tour ENG Sad

We also don't know how many of the other ENG/WI players are not willing to play.

I don't see any specific reason in article. Is it because of pandemic or what? Well whatever the reasons, its big blow to Windies team as both Bravo and Hetmeyer are good cricketers. Still 1 month to go so they have enough time to rethink, let's hope they change their decision.

The exact reason for refusing to tour ENG is not known at the moment and yeah it will be a definite blow for WI as they don't have many good players now. We can only hope they would rethink their decisions. But if the pandemic is the reason behind their decision, I don't think they'll change their minds in the 1-month gap. The WI Board claim that the player's decision doesn't affect their future selection, so I just hope that they get a chance to take part in the T20 World Cup and not ignored because of their current decision.

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It was cheeky comment from my side Cheesy

No doubt Windies is in mess due to their own wrongdoings but No one know actual reason of recent withdrawal from the couple of players so we shouldn't jump into any conclusions.

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Quote from: JSRAW on June 03, 2020, 11:13:33 PM

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Quote from: JSRAW on June 03, 2020, 10:45:39 AM

I don't see any specific reason in article. Is it because of pandemic or what?

Shimron Hetmyer Darren Bravo and Keemo Paul declined to tour England because of the number of corona cases and the number of people died and i can understand why they care about their health than playing the game. I do not think they can be back in the team as they will not be part of the preparation and without going through training i do not think they will be selected even if they want to return for the tour at a later time.

Nothing against their decision as it their choice but i would like to see what happens if by any chance (0.01%) WC or IPL gets a green light and the very same players taking U turn. Tongue

OMG, West Indies cricket is such a mess! This is just politics between the players and the board with Corona being used as an excuse! Such a shame cos WI would be a pretty decent outfit if they could sort it out.

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Quote from: 7788bitcoin on June 04, 2020, 04:00:37 AM

Quote from: JSRAW on June 03, 2020, 11:13:33 PM

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Nothing against their decision as it their choice but i would like to see what happens if by any chance (0.01%) WC or IPL gets a green light and the very same players taking U turn. Tongue

I was also thinking about the same whether they will fly out to India which is getting worse than the situation in England right now in terms of the number of infected people, will they pass that opportunity saying my health or they will fly but then Shimron Hetmyer Darren Bravo and Keemo Paul are not popular picks in the IPL and i do not remember them playing any matches.

For the T20 World Cup they might go if they are picked because the situation in Australia is not that scary.

Good money and fame would take them anywhere. IPL gives good money and fame, Worldcup will help them boost their IPL earning so in my opinion for both the tournaments they will be ready. This is applicable for all players and why not who does not love money here.

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Quote from: JSRAW on June 03, 2020, 11:13:33 PM

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Nothing against their decision as it their choice but i would like to see what happens if by any chance (0.01%) WC or IPL gets a green light and the very same players taking U turn. Tongue

I was also thinking about the same whether they will fly out to India which is getting worse than the situation in England right now in terms of the number of infected people, will they pass that opportunity saying my health or they will fly but then Shimron Hetmyer Darren Bravo and Keemo Paul are not popular picks in the IPL and i do not remember them playing any matches.

For the T20 World Cup they might go if they are picked because the situation in Australia is not that scary.

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Quote from: JSRAW on June 03, 2020, 10:45:39 AM

I don't see any specific reason in article. Is it because of pandemic or what?

Shimron Hetmyer Darren Bravo and Keemo Paul declined to tour England because of the number of corona cases and the number of people died and i can understand why they care about their health than playing the game. I do not think they can be back in the team as they will not be part of the preparation and without going through training i do not think they will be selected even if they want to return for the tour at a later time.

Nothing against their decision as it their choice but i would like to see what happens if by any chance (0.01%) WC or IPL gets a green light and the very same players taking U turn. Tongue

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Quote from: JSRAW on June 03, 2020, 10:45:39 AM

I don't see any specific reason in article. Is it because of pandemic or what? Well whatever the reasons, its big blow to Windies team as both Bravo and Hetmeyer are good cricketers. Still 1 month to go so they have enough time to rethink, let's hope they change their decision.

Shimron Hetmyer Darren Bravo and Keemo Paul declined to tour England because of the number of corona cases and the number of people died and i can understand why they care about their health than playing the game. I do not think they can be back in the team as they will not be part of the preparation and without going through training i do not think they will be selected even if they want to return for the tour at a later time.

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Quote from: akhjob on June 03, 2020, 10:15:42 AM

It's good to see some cricketing action. But already some of the WI players like Bravo, Hetmeyer and Keemo Paul have refused to tour ENG Sad

We also don't know how many of the other ENG/WI players are not willing to play.

I don't see any specific reason in article. Is it because of pandemic or what? Well whatever the reasons, its big blow to Windies team as both Bravo and Hetmeyer are good cricketers. Still 1 month to go so they have enough time to rethink, let's hope they change their decision.

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Quote from: JSRAW on June 03, 2020, 06:09:35 AM

One more month fellas....
ECB announces schedule of three closed-door Tests against WI

"Proposed Tour Schedule

First Test: July 8-12, Ageas Bowl Southampton

Second Test: July 16-20, Old Trafford Manchester

Third Test: July 24-28, Old Trafford Manchester"

It's good to see some cricketing action. But already some of the WI players like Bravo, Hetmeyer and Keemo Paul have refused to tour ENG Sad

We also don't know how many of the other ENG/WI players are not willing to play.

Edit: But this is the current WI squad announced:

Quote from: https://sports.ndtv.com/cricket/darren-bravo-shimron-hetmyer-and-keemo-paul-refuse-to-tour-england-for-test-series-2240164

The Squad:

Jason Holder, Kraigg Brathwaite, Shai Hope, Shane Dowrich, Roston Chase, Shemarh Brooks, Rahkeem Cornwall, Nkrumah Bonner, Alzarri Joseph, Chemar Holder, John Campbell, Raymon Reifer, Kemar Roach, Jermaine Blackwood.

Reserves: Sunil Ambris, Joshua Da Silva, Shannon Gabriel, Keon Harding, Kyle Mayers, Preston McSween, Marquino Mindley, Shane Moseley, Anderson Phillip, Oshane Thomas, Jomel Warrican.

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Nice! Have to say I've really been missing cricket! Wink

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Quote from: ene1980 on June 02, 2020, 05:57:47 PM

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I have not seen Viv Richards play but seen some highlights and a few documentaries about the old West Indies team and they had some incredible players who will get into any team and Garfield Sobers who is regarded as the best allrounder of all time and everyone including Jacques Kallis is placed on his level to compare and the fast bowlers were deadly.

I didn't watch them play either but yeah, from fast bowlers to batsmen they had ridiculously good amount of talent back then and used to rule the world cricket in 70s as everyone likes to call Golden Era of Windies.

Edit : One more month fellas....
ECB announces schedule of three closed-door Tests against WI

"Proposed Tour Schedule

First Test: July 8-12, Ageas Bowl Southampton

Second Test: July 16-20, Old Trafford Manchester

Third Test: July 24-28, Old Trafford Manchester"

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Quote from: JSRAW on June 02, 2020, 02:14:01 PM

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Mathew Hayden was opener, Andy flower was WK Batsmen. So their comparsion with Smith/Williamson doesn't makes sense anyway as both Smith/Williamson are middle order batsmen (1st -2nd down), Hashim Amla is their competitor (Jacques Kallis and Viv Richards are irreplaceable) but if i have to choose all time XI then will pick Smith over Amla anyday, his average against India is outstanding.

I have not seen Viv Richards play but seen some highlights and a few documentaries about the old West Indies team and they had some incredible players who will get into any team and Garfield Sobers who is regarded as the best allrounder of all time and everyone including Jacques Kallis is placed on his level to compare and the fast bowlers were deadly.

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Quote from: ene1980 on June 02, 2020, 01:44:51 PM

Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on June 02, 2020, 10:07:21 AM

^^^ As usual, current players are not there. Journalists have a tendency to overlook current players, and to glorify past players. And here, Deepu Narayanan has done the same thing. I have nothing against players such as Matthew Hayden, Andy Flower and Hashim Amla. But at the same time, I don't think that they are better than Steve Smith or Kane Williamson. And the selection of Graeme Swann ahead of Shane Warne is perplexing, to say the least.

Since it is about retired players Steve Smith and Kane Williamson is not considered but i have a difference of opinion as Mathew Hayden and Andy Flower played during an era where every team had a world class bowler and they played really well against and on their day they could win matches on their own. It is not a wise move to compare players from different generations.

Mathew Hayden was opener, Andy flower was WK Batsmen. So their comparsion with Smith/Williamson doesn't makes sense anyway as both Smith/Williamson are middle order batsmen (1st -2nd down), Hashim Amla is their competitor (Jacques Kallis and Viv Richards are irreplaceable) but if i have to choose all time XI then will pick Smith over Amla anyday, his average against India is outstanding.

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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on June 02, 2020, 10:07:21 AM

^^^ As usual, current players are not there. Journalists have a tendency to overlook current players, and to glorify past players. And here, Deepu Narayanan has done the same thing. I have nothing against players such as Matthew Hayden, Andy Flower and Hashim Amla. But at the same time, I don't think that they are better than Steve Smith or Kane Williamson. And the selection of Graeme Swann ahead of Shane Warne is perplexing, to say the least.

Since it is about retired players Steve Smith and Kane Williamson is not considered but i have a difference of opinion as Mathew Hayden and Andy Flower played during an era where every team had a world class bowler and they played really well against any opponents and on their day they could win matches on their own. It is not a wise move to compare players from different generations.

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^^^ Oh... so this list includes only the retired players. When I saw the name of Dale Steyn, I was a bit confused. But then I remembered that he had retired from test cricket last year. Still.. I am not happy with the exclusion of Warne. His stats doesn't look good in India, because he was repeatedly targeted by some of the Indian batsmen (especially the great Sachin Tendulkar).

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^Its retired players list that's why Smith's name is not there.

Shane Warne might be a legend but his record in India is not good. Its well known fact that he struggled in India when compared to other spinners or in some cases even fast bowler outclassed him. Can you imagine the irony, Legendary spin bowler lagging behind the fast bowler even in spin friendly pitches? that's a only reason of his inclusion.

Look at the average

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^^^ As usual, current players are not there. Journalists have a tendency to overlook current players, and to glorify past players. And here, Deepu Narayanan has done the same thing. I have nothing against players such as Matthew Hayden, Andy Flower and Hashim Amla. But at the same time, I don't think that they are better than Steve Smith or Kane Williamson. And the selection of Graeme Swann ahead of Shane Warne is perplexing, to say the least.

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