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Quote from: JSRAW on May 28, 2020, 11:15:26 AM

https://twitter.com/cricbuzz/status/1265960631863087106

Here we go.. AUS vs IND schedule is ready to roll including one D/N Test.
Meanwhile Western Australia is really pissed off as they didn't get any test match to host in this test series, CA already set for everything anyway.

Better than the Gabba in every way: WA fuming after India series snub
https://twitter.com/FoxCricket/status/1265894167885955075

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Western Australian cricket chief Christina Matthews says it is “astounding” Perth has been snubbed for hosting one of Australia’s four Tests against India this summer, declaring Perth Stadium is superior to the Gabba in every facet.
Cricket Australia will on Friday confirm dates for the marquee India tour, with the Gabba locked in to host the first Test on December 3 before a day-night clash in Adelaide and the traditional Boxing Day and New Year’s fixtures in Melbourne and Sydney.

There is a gap between the T20I series and the test series, and I guess they have kept it so, to accommodate the T20 World Cup. So the BCCI is indirectly hinting that the T20 World Cup would go ahead as planned in November 2020 and the IPL 2020 would be postponed (or rather cancelled). It is not practical for the players (both Indian and Australian) to travel from Australia to India in mid-October (for the IPL) and then return again for the test series.

So this fixture list answers a lot of our questions.

All this said, I am disappointed that the Optus Stadium in Peth has been overlooked for hosting test matches. I would say that it is the best stadium in all of Australia where cricket matches can be hosted. Really disappointed.

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Quote from: Juggy777 on May 28, 2020, 12:22:06 PM

Quote from: JSRAW on May 28, 2020, 11:15:26 AM

https://twitter.com/cricbuzz/status/1265960631863087106

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@JSRAW let’s hope that this tournament goes ahead as planned, but is there any clarification about spectators will they be allowed in the stands or no?. Furthermore it’s only a matter of few days now before the mind games begin between these two sides, and it’ll be pure entertainment for fans like us who’re sorely missing live cricket action.

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As @ene1980 pointed out that 5 months is long time so we can expect spectators in every venue, not sure about foreign visitors but locals for sure. Otherwise hate to say, it would be really bad situation if Boxing day test takes place in the empty stadium.

Already witnessed glimpse of mind games couple of months back when Tim Paine was literally challenging Virat kohli to play D/N test in twitter. so yeah we can expect some.

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Quote from: Juggy777 on May 28, 2020, 12:22:06 PM

let’s hope that this tournament goes ahead as planned, but is there any clarification about spectators will they be allowed in the stands or no?. Furthermore it’s only a matter of few days now before the mind games begin between these two sides, and it’ll be pure entertainment for fans like us who’re sorely missing live cricket action.

There is plenty of time for the series to commence and 5 months is plenty of time to open up everything, the situation is Australia is much better than the rest of the developed countries and hence they can afford to have audience by that time. I was missing sports for a long time but good to see other sports resuming and cricket is also planning to resume and i am expecting the England and West Indies series before this.

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Quote from: JSRAW on May 28, 2020, 11:15:26 AM

https://twitter.com/cricbuzz/status/1265960631863087106

Here we go.. AUS vs IND schedule is ready to roll including one D/N Test.
Meanwhile Western Australia is really pissed off as they didn't get any test match to host in this test series, CA already set for everything anyway.

Better than the Gabba in every way: WA fuming after India series snub
https://twitter.com/FoxCricket/status/1265894167885955075

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Western Australian cricket chief Christina Matthews says it is “astounding” Perth has been snubbed for hosting one of Australia’s four Tests against India this summer, declaring Perth Stadium is superior to the Gabba in every facet.
Cricket Australia will on Friday confirm dates for the marquee India tour, with the Gabba locked in to host the first Test on December 3 before a day-night clash in Adelaide and the traditional Boxing Day and New Year’s fixtures in Melbourne and Sydney.

@JSRAW let’s hope that this tournament goes ahead as planned, but is there any clarification about spectators will they be allowed in the stands or no?. Furthermore it’s only a matter of few days now before the mind games begin between these two sides, and it’ll be pure entertainment for fans like us who’re sorely missing live cricket action.

Source:

https://www.deccanchronicle.com/sports/cricket/040317/aussies-are-good-at-mind-games-virat-kohli.html

https://www.dnaindia.com/cricket/live-india-vs-australia-1st-odi-live-cricket-score-updates-and-commentary-in-chennai-2546269

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/sports/cricket/news/india-to-start-australia-test-series-at-brisbane-on-december-3-no-quarantine-hub-australian-media/articleshow/76039007.cms

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https://twitter.com/cricbuzz/status/1265960631863087106

Here we go.. AUS vs IND schedule is ready to roll including one D/N Test.
Meanwhile Western Australia is really pissed off as they didn't get any test match to host in this test series, CA already set for everything anyway.

Better than the Gabba in every way: WA fuming after India series snub
https://twitter.com/FoxCricket/status/1265894167885955075

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Western Australian cricket chief Christina Matthews says it is “astounding” Perth has been snubbed for hosting one of Australia’s four Tests against India this summer, declaring Perth Stadium is superior to the Gabba in every facet.
Cricket Australia will on Friday confirm dates for the marquee India tour, with the Gabba locked in to host the first Test on December 3 before a day-night clash in Adelaide and the traditional Boxing Day and New Year’s fixtures in Melbourne and Sydney.

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Quote from: BitSat19 on May 27, 2020, 10:18:37 AM

Currently no one is sure about this season and coming series but good thing is England cricketers on training and we can expect some late but cricket is coming I just search few sites and have latest update from this as most chances first test in coming in July https://www.bbc.com/sport/cricket/52704689

Along with the English players the West Indies players started training and it is possible that the cricket board will green signal the tournament to carry on. Football started and it is fun to watch the matches after a long time and hopefully cricket will resume as well in the next couple of months and with both these teams started training it is highly likely we would see the series.

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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on May 27, 2020, 09:57:22 AM

Quote from: JSRAW on May 27, 2020, 08:47:09 AM

Now i remember someone shared the similar news in ODI thread too. if first game is Test Match after 2 months break then i am happy with this news but i think that they are not going with the original schedule ( 4th June), less than one week now. Hopefully it gets green light by June End ? or if we are lucky then may be Mid June?

Are Windies official saying anything about 14 days quarantine period after landing in England? If yes, then 20th-22th June seems good bet for the First Test.

There was some confusion regarding the fixtures. I was thinking that the matches were scheduled for July. I checked the Wikipedia page dealing with the series, and they are saying so:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Indian_cricket_team_in_England_in_2020

Then I checked the fixtures in ESPN Cricinfo, and they are saying that the matches are scheduled for June:

https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/19430/game/1198232/england-vs-west-indies-1st-test-icc-world-test-championship-2019-2021

I guess there is a mistake with the date given in Wikipedia.

Currently no one is sure about this season and coming series but good thing is England cricketers on training and we can expect some late but cricket is coming I just search few sites and have latest update from this as most chances first test in coming in July https://www.bbc.com/sport/cricket/52704689

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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on May 27, 2020, 09:57:22 AM

~snip~

I guess there is a mistake with the date given in Wikipedia.

Yeah, they messed up with the data, even though references are updated and showing correct schedule. My guess is someone mistakenly picked the 2018-2019 FTP data (1st reference) and forgot to update the logs. Rookie mistake.

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Quote from: JSRAW on May 27, 2020, 08:47:09 AM

Now i remember someone shared the similar news in ODI thread too. if first game is Test Match after 2 months break then i am happy with this news but i think that they are not going with the original schedule ( 4th June), less than one week now. Hopefully it gets green light by June End ? or if we are lucky then may be Mid June?

Are Windies official saying anything about 14 days quarantine period after landing in England? If yes, then 20th-22th June seems good bet for the First Test.

There was some confusion regarding the fixtures. I was thinking that the matches were scheduled for July. I checked the Wikipedia page dealing with the series, and they are saying so:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Indian_cricket_team_in_England_in_2020

Then I checked the fixtures in ESPN Cricinfo, and they are saying that the matches are scheduled for June:

https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/19430/game/1198232/england-vs-west-indies-1st-test-icc-world-test-championship-2019-2021

I guess there is a mistake with the date given in Wikipedia.

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Quote from: JSRAW on May 27, 2020, 08:47:09 AM

Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on May 26, 2020, 08:59:10 AM

OK guys... After a gap of three months, I have some good news related to test cricket.

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/sports/cricket/news/west-indies-test-cricketers-resume-training-after-covid-19-hiatus/articleshow/76000818.cms

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Gearing up for a proposed tour of England in July, some members of the West Indies Test team, led by skipper Jason Holder, have returned to training in small groups following a coronavirus-forced hiatus.

It looks as if the WICB and the ECB are doing whatever it takes, so that the bilateral series can go ahead smoothly. So in that case we may witness some live test matches within a month or so. And hopefully, we may get the Indian tour of Australia going within another couple of months.

Now i remember someone shared the similar news in ODI thread too. if first game is Test Match after 2 months break then i am happy with this news but i think that they are not going with the original schedule ( 4th June), less than one week now. Hopefully it gets green light by June End ? or if we are lucky then may be Mid June?

Are Windies official saying anything about 14 days quarantine period after landing in England? If yes, then 20th-22th June seems good bet for the First Test.

If England vs West Indies series is going ahead then surely Pakistan will go ahead and we will able to have good cricket in next few months and few other countries like Australia and New Zealand also delighted as their season is also coming after few months so they will able to do this all without crowd.

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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on May 26, 2020, 08:59:10 AM

OK guys... After a gap of three months, I have some good news related to test cricket.

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/sports/cricket/news/west-indies-test-cricketers-resume-training-after-covid-19-hiatus/articleshow/76000818.cms

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Gearing up for a proposed tour of England in July, some members of the West Indies Test team, led by skipper Jason Holder, have returned to training in small groups following a coronavirus-forced hiatus.

It looks as if the WICB and the ECB are doing whatever it takes, so that the bilateral series can go ahead smoothly. So in that case we may witness some live test matches within a month or so. And hopefully, we may get the Indian tour of Australia going within another couple of months.

Now i remember someone shared the similar news in ODI thread too. if first game is Test Match after 2 months break then i am happy with this news but i think that they are not going with the original schedule ( 4th June), less than one week now. Hopefully it gets green light by June End ? or if we are lucky then may be Mid June?

Are Windies official saying anything about 14 days quarantine period after landing in England? If yes, then 20th-22th June seems good bet for the First Test.

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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on May 25, 2020, 10:39:43 AM

Cricket is a gentleman's game and unfair means must be banned. If saliva is allowed, then players may ask why sandpaper and Vaseline is not allowed.

Some players demanded the use of sandpaper and Vaseline and the players who tried to change the shape of the ball using these methods were fined and suspended Tongue

, prime example is Warner and Smith why they got an years suspension for tampering the ball, it is simply because the rules are clear, you cannot tamper the ball with a foreign object.

Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on May 25, 2020, 10:39:43 AM

Now ICC can't specifically ban one of them and allow the other. Either both should be allowed, or all these substances must be banned. And I would prefer the latter. Let these bowlers learn how to swing the ball naturally.

The cricket rules already bans the use of foreign objects, the use of saliva will be stopped only during a certain period and they are experimenting with wax to polish the ball and if the ICC approves that then we will see players using specific wax to polish the ball.

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OK guys... After a gap of three months, I have some good news related to test cricket.

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/sports/cricket/news/west-indies-test-cricketers-resume-training-after-covid-19-hiatus/articleshow/76000818.cms

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Gearing up for a proposed tour of England in July, some members of the West Indies Test team, led by skipper Jason Holder, have returned to training in small groups following a coronavirus-forced hiatus.

It looks as if the WICB and the ECB are doing whatever it takes, so that the bilateral series can go ahead smoothly. So in that case we may witness some live test matches within a month or so. And hopefully, we may get the Indian tour of Australia going within another couple of months.

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Quote from: eaLiTy on May 24, 2020, 02:28:44 PM

~No idea about baseball but a tragedy usually forces changes. In cricket body line and leg side field restrictions were implemented for safety reasons and according to reports 174 players died on the cricket field in the past 100 years and majority of the death were before helmets and safety protections were compulsory.

In baseball the rule came into affect during the early as long as i know and what i heard is that a player died because of spitball and during that time there was no helmet either for baseball and all they need was one death to change the rules, not sure why it took a long time for cricket to change some of the rules as 174 players is a very big list to make any changes.

Quote from: eaLiTy on May 24, 2020, 02:28:44 PM

This is a temporary restriction that is implemented so that cricket could resume during the pandemic and eventually they will allow players to shine the ball using saliva.

Once a rule is implemented it will take a long time to remove that until there is demand from the players to remove the ban.

Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on May 25, 2020, 10:39:43 AM

Cricket is a gentleman's game and unfair means must be banned. If saliva is allowed, then players may ask why sandpaper and Vaseline is not allowed. Now ICC can't specifically ban one of them and allow the other. Either both should be allowed, or all these substances must be banned. And I would prefer the latter. Let these bowlers learn how to swing the ball naturally.

Using sandpaper and Vaseline, then why not a steel bat Tongue

. To swing the ball you need to have a shining surface if i am not wrong and how they would do that without polishing the ball, lets start using a bowling machine why injure the bowlers. I consider bowling is a difficult part in cricket than batting, historically batting was difficult because there were no protection.

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Quote from: Juggy777 on May 24, 2020, 08:43:10 AM

@Vishnu.Reang I completely agree with your suggestions as this technique is very unhygienic, and further I’m also hoping that rest Asian countries too will ban the use of this technique in their local leagues. @7788bitcoin I doubt that they would have used saliva rather they would have preferred loosing the match, as personal hygiene is very important for them.

Cricket is a gentleman's game and unfair means must be banned. If saliva is allowed, then players may ask why sandpaper and Vaseline is not allowed. Now ICC can't specifically ban one of them and allow the other. Either both should be allowed, or all these substances must be banned. And I would prefer the latter. Let these bowlers learn how to swing the ball naturally.

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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on May 24, 2020, 08:04:25 AM

What I was saying was that applying saliva is a relatively recent phenomenon. It started sometime during the 1970s. Before that the pace bowlers just used their own sweat and towel to get one side of the ball heavier.

In the early times the umpires never used to check the ball and there are documented instances where creams and other materials were used to polish the ball and Pakistan bowlers invented reverse swing and shine was an integral part. The problem with using sweat is that it will help in getting the ball heavier but as a spinner you really do not want a heavy ball and hence spit is commonly used to shine the ball rather than sweat.

Quote from: 7788bitcoin on May 24, 2020, 11:37:12 AM

In baseball it is called spitball and using saliva is banned because it is hard to predict the trajectory of the ball and one player died and from then on you are not allowed to use saliva or any other foreign objects to polish the ball and they did not ban because of hygiene reasons. The shine is important for a bowler and now all the rules favor the batsman and i do not want to see changes like these that only aides the batsman.

No idea about baseball but a tragedy usually forces changes. In cricket body line and leg side field restrictions were implemented for safety reasons and according to reports 174 players died on the cricket field in the past 100 years and majority of the death were before helmets and safety protections were compulsory.

This is a temporary restriction that is implemented so that cricket could resume during the pandemic and eventually they will allow players to shine the ball using saliva.

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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on May 24, 2020, 08:04:25 AM

What I was saying was that applying saliva is a relatively recent phenomenon. It started sometime during the 1970s. Before that the pace bowlers just used their own sweat and towel to get one side of the ball heavier. I am not condoning the use of sweat either, but this method needs to be banned simply because it is extremely unhygienic. Not just in East Asian nations, even the European nations also give a lot of importance to personal hygiene. Let's get rid of this disgusting practice.

The use of saliva and sweat is legal when the rules are set from the beginning if i am not wrong. Even if it started in the 1970 the practice was carried on for 50 years and now all of a sudden it is viewed as an unhygienic method to retain the shine Roll Eyes

. I hope the ICC will remove the ban when the virus scare is over.

Quote from: Juggy777 on May 24, 2020, 08:43:10 AM

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@Vishnu.Reang I completely agree with your suggestions as this technique is very unhygienic, and further I’m also hoping that rest Asian countries too will ban the use of this technique in their local leagues. @7788bitcoin I doubt that they would have used saliva rather they would have preferred loosing the match, as personal hygiene is very important for them.

In baseball it is called spitball and using saliva is banned because it is hard to predict the trajectory of the ball and one player died and from then on you are not allowed to use saliva or any other foreign objects to polish the ball and they did not ban because of hygiene reasons. The shine is important for a bowler and now all the rules favor the batsman and i do not want to see changes like these that only aides the batsman.

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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on May 24, 2020, 08:04:25 AM

Quote from: 7788bitcoin on May 20, 2020, 02:38:26 PM

Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on May 20, 2020, 11:43:41 AM

This should have been done at least three decades ago. In none of the other sports, we have such unhygienic practices. Imagine some Japanese or Korean watching cricket players applying saliva to the ball. In these countries, they give a lot of importance to personal hygiene, and such practices would attract instant consternation. Anyway, at least now ICC has reacted in a positive manner.

In baseball using saliva or Vaseline is illegal but they used to do that in the past and there is no other sport that use a ball like cricket and shining of the ball is necessary for a bowler, now all the rules favor the batsman and if they do not allow to shine the ball then it will be difficult for bowler to swing.
If cricket is included in the Olympics then people from Japan and Korea will use spit to shine the ball Tongue

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What I was saying was that applying saliva is a relatively recent phenomenon. It started sometime during the 1970s. Before that the pace bowlers just used their own sweat and towel to get one side of the ball heavier. I am not condoning the use of sweat either, but this method needs to be banned simply because it is extremely unhygienic. Not just in East Asian nations, even the European nations also give a lot of importance to personal hygiene. Let's get rid of this disgusting practice.

@Vishnu.Reang I completely agree with your suggestions as this technique is very unhygienic, and further I’m also hoping that rest Asian countries too will ban the use of this technique in their local leagues. @7788bitcoin I doubt that they would have used saliva rather they would have preferred loosing the match, as personal hygiene is very important for them.

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Quote from: 7788bitcoin on May 20, 2020, 02:38:26 PM

Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on May 20, 2020, 11:43:41 AM

This should have been done at least three decades ago. In none of the other sports, we have such unhygienic practices. Imagine some Japanese or Korean watching cricket players applying saliva to the ball. In these countries, they give a lot of importance to personal hygiene, and such practices would attract instant consternation. Anyway, at least now ICC has reacted in a positive manner.

In baseball using saliva or Vaseline is illegal but they used to do that in the past and there is no other sport that use a ball like cricket and shining of the ball is necessary for a bowler, now all the rules favor the batsman and if they do not allow to shine the ball then it will be difficult for bowler to swing.
If cricket is included in the Olympics then people from Japan and Korea will use spit to shine the ball Tongue

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What I was saying was that applying saliva is a relatively recent phenomenon. It started sometime during the 1970s. Before that the pace bowlers just used their own sweat and towel to get one side of the ball heavier. I am not condoning the use of sweat either, but this method needs to be banned simply because it is extremely unhygienic. Not just in East Asian nations, even the European nations also give a lot of importance to personal hygiene. Let's get rid of this disgusting practice.

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Quote from: JSRAW on May 19, 2020, 10:48:22 PM

Couple of big names in cricketing world were raising the very same argument "LOGIC".

I would say that banning use of saliva is one of the precautionary step similar to quarantine, isolation, social distancing etc.

If the players are tested and if those players are not exposed to the general public including people who are not tested near them, there is no need for these extreme steps. It looks like these are just demonstrations to fool the general public that they are doing the extreme steps and giving out awareness Roll Eyes

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Quote from: pakhitheboss on May 20, 2020, 04:09:22 AM

After all these press if still a player gets covid19 then the whole tournament will be at risk. That is why they have banned the use of saliva. Still, I feel it is very illogical as through sneeze and hugging still players can get this virus.

If a player is tested and they are clean and if they are not exposed how come they will get the virus. If they give proper protection and security so that no one contacts them while in the ground and outside how come they will get the virus.

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