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Quote from: noormcs5 on January 15, 2025, 12:23:48 PM

By the way, how the matches between BIG 3 and other team is a money making affair ? I think it is only the matches between BIG 3 that may only generate expected revenue.

ICC needs to realize that advertisers will be more interested in matches that are more widely viewed by the public and public would like to see the close matches no matter who is playing. For Example, I would be more interested to see a test match between West Indies and Sri Lanka as compared to a match between India and Zimbabwe. Similarly, a one sided match between Australia and Sri Lanka may not be watched but viewers would be more willing to see a test match between Afghanistan and South Africa.

Idea that only matches with India Australia and England make money is wrong. These teams have many fans but advertisers care more about matches that many people watch and are exciting. People want to watch close matches no matter which teams are playing. For example thrilling match between Afghanistan and Sri Lanka might attract more viewers than one sided match between Australia and Zimbabwe. ICC should focus on making fair and exciting schedule instead of relying only on BIG 3 teams to make money.

Yes ,you are right. ICC want to make money and Don't matter which team will play against any team but India and Pak match is more exciting than any other team of the tournament. Indian team is at the top in the all formats,the reason behind this is their best domestic cricket. I think ICC will give priority in all cases because India is generation most of the revenue of ICC and ICC have to give importance to the Indian team. Indian team talked about the series,then ICC gave permission for that series. India have no hurdle against anything because they have power of public and ICC have to bend in front of India and That is the reason Indian government became successful to not send team into Pakistan without any logical issue.

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Quote from: JSRAW on January 15, 2025, 12:04:52 PM

In every context, breadcrumbs and financial benefits means a bilateral series with the BIG-3.

Because ICC's revenue generation and distribution model is already at its limit (BCCI won't take a cut because they made a compromise on every ICC tournament every year issue), especially the revenue generation so not much scope there. Everything comes down to bilateral so that smaller boards can pay their bills (As every test match is loss making affair unless one of BIG-3 team is playing) but the relegation system came up in existence because of a lopsided fixture in the form of bilateral. Call it the chicken-egg problem.

Well. In that case the BCCI can throw them breadcrumbs in the form of limited overs only bilaterals. But they need to be strict about test format. The presence of weaker teams such as Bangladesh and West Indies is one of the major reasons for the decline of viewership for test cricket. If things doesn't change, then test cricket will simply die out in the long run. Even now, it is mostly the middle aged and elderly fans who keep test cricket alive (exceptions being BGT and Ashes, which seems to have a broader viewership).

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Quote from: noormcs5 on January 15, 2025, 12:23:48 PM

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(As every test match is loss making affair unless one of BIG-3 team is playing) but the relegation system came up in existence because of a lopsided fixture in the form of bilateral. Call it the chicken-egg problem.

By the way, how the matches between BIG 3 and other team is a money making affair ? I think it is only the matches between BIG 3 that may only generate expected revenue.

For example; Windies target 2 test series against India and England in a 3-year cycle and it keeps them afloat. The rest of their series hardly mint any money because broadcasters are not into it. The same goes for South Africa. Another example would be Pakistan, which would give you a hint. There was no broadcasting deal for the England tour of Pakistan (3 tests match series), The reason; PCB was asking for too much money and there is no 3-4 year contract but a series agreement and the price tag depends on the bargaining.

No one is interested in Bangladesh media rights, hell even for the white ball series (Australia toured them but Aussie broadcaster didn't buy the rights and it was not telecasted in Australia), forget about the test series. Likes of NZ and SL hardly break even on the investment.

Arai Bhai ap kai sath maza aai ga, I was really enjoying my cricket stuff on Facebook for long time but now due to lack of time we have no long discussion and here after reading your cricketing history posts I enjoy good stats and figures because usually peoples are not going deep enough like this.
Currently, ICC is totally crap, but we can hope from Jay Shah he will bring some positive changes which ICC deserve to be done long time ago, but they are going like Nokia which is now having end of their business they have 6 years until 2031 they can create good space for just test and t20i with ODI needed to be scrap this will surely increase their revenue and workload could be also settled, but I am also in favor of having some discipline in WTC and test format if they want to keep alive for long time.

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Quote from: noormcs5 on January 15, 2025, 12:23:48 PM

Quote from: JSRAW on January 15, 2025, 12:04:52 PM

(As every test match is loss making affair unless one of BIG-3 team is playing) but the relegation system came up in existence because of a lopsided fixture in the form of bilateral. Call it the chicken-egg problem.

By the way, how the matches between BIG 3 and other team is a money making affair ? I think it is only the matches between BIG 3 that may only generate expected revenue.

For example; Windies target 2 test series against India and England in a 3-year cycle and it keeps them afloat. The rest of their series hardly mint any money because broadcasters are not into it. The same goes for South Africa. Another example would be Pakistan, which would give you a hint. There was no broadcasting deal for the England tour of Pakistan (3 tests match series), The reason; PCB was asking for too much money and there is no 3-4 year contract but a series agreement and the price tag depends on the bargaining.

No one is interested in Bangladesh media rights, hell even for the white ball series (Australia toured them but Aussie broadcaster didn't buy the rights and it was not telecasted in Australia), forget about the test series. Likes of NZ and SL hardly break even on the investment.

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Quote from: noormcs5 on January 15, 2025, 12:23:48 PM

By the way, how the matches between BIG 3 and other team is a money making affair ? I think it is only the matches between BIG 3 that may only generate expected revenue.

ICC needs to realize that advertisers will be more interested in matches that are more widely viewed by the public and public would like to see the close matches no matter who is playing. For Example, I would be more interested to see a test match between West Indies and Sri Lanka as compared to a match between India and Zimbabwe. Similarly, a one sided match between Australia and Sri Lanka may not be watched but viewers would be more willing to see a test match between Afghanistan and South Africa.

Idea that only matches with India Australia and England make money is wrong. These teams have many fans but advertisers care more about matches that many people watch and are exciting. People want to watch close matches no matter which teams are playing. For example thrilling match between Afghanistan and Sri Lanka might attract more viewers than one sided match between Australia and Zimbabwe. ICC should focus on making fair and exciting schedule instead of relying only on BIG 3 teams to make money.

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Quote from: JSRAW on January 15, 2025, 12:04:52 PM

(As every test match is loss making affair unless one of BIG-3 team is playing) but the relegation system came up in existence because of a lopsided fixture in the form of bilateral. Call it the chicken-egg problem.

By the way, how the matches between BIG 3 and other team is a money making affair ? I think it is only the matches between BIG 3 that may only generate expected revenue.

ICC needs to realize that advertisers will be more interested in matches that are more widely viewed by the public and public would like to see the close matches no matter who is playing. For Example, I would be more interested to see a test match between West Indies and Sri Lanka as compared to a match between India and Zimbabwe. Similarly, a one sided match between Australia and Sri Lanka may not be watched but viewers would be more willing to see a test match between Afghanistan and South Africa.

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This relegation and 2 group project is a decade old. Yes, ICC is openly talking about it now but it won't be easy to implement. Only 1 vote is enough to take this project down in one go, unless boards like PCB, WICB, BCB and SLC are offered extra padding of financial benefits.

Big guns like ICC and BIG-3 are still silent on what if one of the BIG-3 drops in the lower group? What will happen to a marquee and cash rich series like Ashes, BGT and EngvsInd? It's not so easy and IMO not happening in the 2025-2027 cycle.

Given how the global administration works, I don't think it will be that difficult for Jay Shah to push the reforms down the throat of ICC member nations. Who are going to oppose this measure? The 2-3 countries such as Pakistan, Sri Lanka and Bangladesh? Do they need 3/4th majority out of the 15 members to pass this measure? Because everyone else are going to support this. The three associate representatives will support it, if Jay Shah can give them some breadcrumbs. The existing tier-2 members (Afghanistan, Zimbabwe and Ireland) are going to support it. And then add the 6-7 teams who will remain in tier-1, and you have a super-majority to pass the reforms.

In every context, breadcrumbs and financial benefits means a bilateral series with the BIG-3.

Because ICC's revenue generation and distribution model is already at its limit (BCCI won't take a cut because they made a compromise on every ICC tournament every year issue), especially the revenue generation so not much scope there. Everything comes down to bilateral so that smaller boards can pay their bills (As every test match is loss making affair unless one of BIG-3 team is playing) but the relegation system came up in existence because of a lopsided fixture in the form of bilateral. Call it the chicken-egg problem.

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In the context of WTC, both are irrelevant series because 2 finalists are locked for good and booked their flights.

Irrelevant for the 2023–2025 ICC World Test Championship, but not for the next edition. For the next cycle, it is learnt that the ICC is planning an overhaul of the test structure. There will be more countries in the second division (currently there are three - Ireland, Zimbabwe and Afghanistan), and somewhere around 6-7 teams in the first division (at the moment there are nine). If they perform well, then it maybe possible for Pakistan to avoid relegation to the second division of test cricket.

This relegation and 2 group project is a decade old. Yes, ICC is openly talking about it now but it won't be easy to implement. Only 1 vote is enough to take this project down in one go, unless boards like PCB, WICB, BCB and SLC are offered extra padding of financial benefits.

Big guns like ICC and BIG-3 are still silent on what if one of the BIG-3 drops in the lower group? What will happen to a marquee and cash rich series like Ashes, BGT and EngvsInd? It's not so easy and IMO not happening in the 2025-2027 cycle.

Given how the global administration works, I don't think it will be that difficult for Jay Shah to push the reforms down the throat of ICC member nations. Who are going to oppose this measure? The 2-3 countries such as Pakistan, Sri Lanka and Bangladesh? Do they need 3/4th majority out of the 15 members to pass this measure? Because everyone else are going to support this. The three associate representatives will support it, if Jay Shah can give them some breadcrumbs. The existing tier-2 members (Afghanistan, Zimbabwe and Ireland) are going to support it. And then add the 6-7 teams who will remain in tier-1, and you have a super-majority to pass the reforms.

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In the context of WTC, both are irrelevant series because 2 finalists are locked for good and booked their flights.

Irrelevant for the 2023–2025 ICC World Test Championship, but not for the next edition. For the next cycle, it is learnt that the ICC is planning an overhaul of the test structure. There will be more countries in the second division (currently there are three - Ireland, Zimbabwe and Afghanistan), and somewhere around 6-7 teams in the first division (at the moment there are nine). If they perform well, then it maybe possible for Pakistan to avoid relegation to the second division of test cricket.

This relegation and 2 group project is a decade old. Yes, ICC is openly talking about it now but it won't be easy to implement. Only 1 vote is enough to take this project down in one go, unless boards like PCB, WICB, BCB and SLC are offered extra padding of financial benefits.

Big guns like ICC and BIG-3 are still silent on what if one of the BIG-3 drops in the lower group? What will happen to a marquee and cash rich series like Ashes, BGT and EngvsInd? It's not so easy and IMO not happening in the 2025-2027 cycle.

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Quote from: WatChe on January 13, 2025, 12:39:28 PM

Sajid Khan and Noman Ali have done a fantastic job in home test series against England. Sajid Khan was man of the series in that test series as he picked 19 wickets, while Noman Ali provided good support to Sajid Khan. As a spinner they both rightly deserve slot in the squad. What surprises me is that Muhammad Abbas has also done a good job in test series played in South Africa but he is dropped. The selection committee should give chance to players that are performing. If out of form Babar Azam can find his in every in every series then why not players who are in form.

You are absolutely right bro . Because we are watching the performance of Afghanistan International cricket team which is very excellent and that team is improving their performance day by day which is excellent for the country and also for the players. Players of Zimbabwe should work on their weaknesses because audience want competition but they are giving one sided match and they are losing reputation on International level. I like only one player of Zimbabwe who is giving best in every match and that is Sikander Raza and he is toper of that team and no other player is playing like that and that is the reason Zimbabwe is looking all of matches because we could not watch team work. One person effort will not give success to the team because team success is associated with the all players of team members.

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This series will be very tough for Pakistan International test cricket team because they are doing decisions on the reference basis and now Iam thinking that Pak team will lose this series and credit will go to the management because they are selecting the third class team . I think there should be only players which are in excellent form but Pak selectors only want money and they only want more money and after the selection of merit team ,they will get nothing. Pak spinners will be flop on these wickets and Pak will lose and draw these test matches and I know West Indies is not quality team but Pak team will lose due to bad decisions of authority.West Indies International test cricket team will try to win this match as they will play in the foreign country but Pak selectors are not loyal to the country.

Sajid Khan and Noman Ali have done a fantastic job in home test series against England. Sajid Khan was man of the series in that test series as he picked 19 wickets, while Noman Ali provided good support to Sajid Khan. As a spinner they both rightly deserve slot in the squad. What surprises me is that Muhammad Abbas has also done a good job in test series played in South Africa but he is dropped. The selection committee should give chance to players that are performing. If out of form Babar Azam can find his in every in every series then why not players who are in form.

PCB now well aware about changes which are happening around them due to political influence and unprofessional peoples those are involved in this system and killing beauty of Pakistani cricket.
Currently, we are living at bottom of all formats with nothing positive around cricket pace bowlers done good job in South Africa, but now they are giving them rest with having spinners friendly pitches batting is also at his worst due to poor technique and skills hopefully they could be more down in coming days.
If we have 2 tiers system in WTC for next cycle then surely Pakistani going to be dropped in 2nd tier due to their performance and errors which are done by these unprofessional stakeholders.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on January 14, 2025, 10:11:15 AM

For the next cycle, it is learnt that the ICC is planning an overhaul of the test structure. There will be more countries in the second division (currently there are three - Ireland, Zimbabwe and Afghanistan), and somewhere around 6-7 teams in the first division (at the moment there are nine). If they perform well, then it maybe possible for Pakistan to avoid relegation to the second division of test cricket.

Am one of the supporters of this two division test format where we will most probably get to see more entertaining matches and less boring, one sided matches. West Indies should enter the second division.

Bangladesh and Pakistan might end up there too looking at their test performances in recent years. Let's see what happens.

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Quote from: JSRAW on January 14, 2025, 08:41:50 AM

In the context of WTC, both are irrelevant series because 2 finalists are locked for good and booked their flights.

Irrelevant for the 2023–2025 ICC World Test Championship, but not for the next edition. For the next cycle, it is learnt that the ICC is planning an overhaul of the test structure. There will be more countries in the second division (currently there are three - Ireland, Zimbabwe and Afghanistan), and somewhere around 6-7 teams in the first division (at the moment there are nine). If they perform well, then it maybe possible for Pakistan to avoid relegation to the second division of test cricket.

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Next week, we have a test series between Pakistan and West Indies coming up. This is going to be one of the most irrelevant bilateral series, as both the teams are currently at the bottom of the points table in ICC World Test Championship. West Indies is at the rock bottom, while Pakistan is one rank above them. And talking about the momentum, Pakistan has won two of their last 5 matches, while West Indies have won one out of their last 5.

Man I don't think any series is irrelevant because ICC have to complete their procedures for WTC just because of this now these two last series first Pakistan vs West Indies and then Sri Lanka vs Australia are going to be played.

In the context of WTC, both are irrelevant series because 2 finalists are locked for good and booked their flights.

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Quote from: Haunebu on January 13, 2025, 06:36:54 AM

Only Pakistan and West Indies fans most probably will watch this series which is why it's relevant for those fans, but it's totally irrelevant for the rest of the world. Am expecting Pakistan to win this series.

West Indies could possibly defeat Pakistan on their turf just like Bangladesh sometime back, but the chances of that happening are quite slim.

West Indies is still decent in limited overs cricket, but in test format they have been horrible for quite some time. At least on this regard, I would rate Pakistan above West Indies. But then, Pakistan has been in horrible form recently. Their bowlers used to perform well, especially Shaheen Shah and Naseem Shah. But now, both of them have lost their form and this has really impacted their performance negatively. Also, they don't have the momentum. They lost both the test matches to South Africa quite badly.

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Quote from: Compromise me on January 12, 2025, 06:29:52 PM

This series will be very tough for Pakistan International test cricket team because they are doing decisions on the reference basis and now Iam thinking that Pak team will lose this series and credit will go to the management because they are selecting the third class team . I think there should be only players which are in excellent form but Pak selectors only want money and they only want more money and after the selection of merit team ,they will get nothing. Pak spinners will be flop on these wickets and Pak will lose and draw these test matches and I know West Indies is not quality team but Pak team will lose due to bad decisions of authority.West Indies International test cricket team will try to win this match as they will play in the foreign country but Pak selectors are not loyal to the country.

Sajid Khan and Noman Ali have done a fantastic job in home test series against England. Sajid Khan was man of the series in that test series as he picked 19 wickets, while Noman Ali provided good support to Sajid Khan. As a spinner they both rightly deserve slot in the squad. What surprises me is that Muhammad Abbas has also done a good job in test series played in South Africa but he is dropped. The selection committee should give chance to players that are performing. If out of form Babar Azam can find his in every in every series then why not players who are in form.

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on January 10, 2025, 11:00:35 PM

Next week, we have a test series between Pakistan and West Indies coming up. This is going to be one of the most irrelevant bilateral series, as both the teams are currently at the bottom of the points table in ICC World Test Championship. West Indies is at the rock bottom, while Pakistan is one rank above them. And talking about the momentum, Pakistan has won two of their last 5 matches, while West Indies have won one out of their last 5.

Only Pakistan and West Indies fans most probably will watch this series which is why it's relevant for those fans, but it's totally irrelevant for the rest of the world. Am expecting Pakistan to win this series.

West Indies could possibly defeat Pakistan on their turf just like Bangladesh sometime back, but the chances of that happening are quite slim.

Man you are one of the genius I watch here on this forum because your these words needed to be written in golden always series are important for host and visiting countries no doubt.
But keep one thing in mind bookies need just business and many will surely be going to have plus and negative from this so they never think who is play and how is going they always mean business more or less is not matter for them so just because of this we will have many in other countries as well those will watch this series at their homes.

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on January 10, 2025, 11:00:35 PM

Next week, we have a test series between Pakistan and West Indies coming up. This is going to be one of the most irrelevant bilateral series, as both the teams are currently at the bottom of the points table in ICC World Test Championship. West Indies is at the rock bottom, while Pakistan is one rank above them. And talking about the momentum, Pakistan has won two of their last 5 matches, while West Indies have won one out of their last 5.

Only Pakistan and West Indies fans most probably will watch this series which is why it's relevant for those fans, but it's totally irrelevant for the rest of the world. Am expecting Pakistan to win this series.

West Indies could possibly defeat Pakistan on their turf just like Bangladesh sometime back, but the chances of that happening are quite slim.

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Quote from: WatChe on January 12, 2025, 01:07:45 PM

Muhammad Abbas who find his way back in team after 3 years and gave good performance in two test against South Africa is dropped once again from the squad. Abbas picked 10 wickets in two test series. Muhammad Ali has been recalled once again in the team, he has picked 6 wickets in his 7 innings. It's difficult to digest why Abbas has been dropped despite giving good performance in South Africa. Fast bowler Kashif Ali has been included in the squad for the first time. Three spinners were included in the squad, which means Pakistan will rely mainly on spinners.

Yep not only Muhammad Ali but several new name like rohail Nazir, Kashif Ali and Muhammad huraira got thier way to reserve his slot, in squad for west indies test series and that's really surprising for me too that in form bowler who has shown his potential in recent matches got dropped without any proper reason. But I think head coach akib Javed were on a same plan to repeat his tactics with two majestic spinner Nauman and sajid just like they does against england to make a comeback in series recently at home grounds, also they will try to make pitches more dry so that spinner can execute thier plans and things work for them once again. Also baber and other star player get opportunity too to make sure his preparation were fine enough for champions trophy.

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Before this match, West Indies and Pakistan Shaheens are playing a tour match. In this match some of the West Indies batsmen showed a good batting like Alick Athanaze made 99 runs (missed his century by 1 runs) and Amir Jangoo made 63. Overall everyone batted to some extend and they made a reasonable 346 runs and declared the innings.

Talking about the West Indies bowling, they were even better. Kevin Sinclair took 3 wickets while Jayden Seales and Gudakesh Motie took 2 wickets each and they did not let Pakistan score. They took 9 wickets and gave away only 212 runs showed that the West Indies team means business in this tour. Don't take them lightly at all.

West Indies team has given strong warning before next match. They showed how well they can bat and bowl in practice match against Pakistan Shaheens. Alick Athanaze scored 99 runs and Amir Jangoo scored 63 runs helping their team get good total of 346 runs. West Indies bowlers were just as good with Kevin Sinclair getting 3 wickets and Jayden Seales and Gudakesh Motie getting 2 wickets each. They stopped Pakistan from scoring a lot and got 9 of their players out for 212 runs. This very good performance shows that West Indies team is very strong and should not be taken lightly.

Nothing will happen unless it is proven by hard work and good play. Yes, this is the reason why his batsmen and bowling are good. If you look at his two innings, he scored 346 runs in the first innings and 177 runs in the second innings. If you look at Shaheen's two innings, he scored 212 and 128, which is less in both the innings. Shaheen has to improve his performance so that he can play well but I don't think he can improve on it. We can see some pressure and hard work from West Indies, so we should root for them because West Indies defense and playing style is also better and better than Shaheen. That is why people like them more and make themselves strong.

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