Topic: Texas Hold'em and Omaha/Omaha8 Poker Room - NL, Limit, Potlimit games - page 4. (Read 88206 times)

I have always thought about perhaps maybe a captcha system of some sort...?

Well, obviously not a captcha, nobody would play there lol ... but something that can dissuade bots from playing? Like constantly changing the colors of the buttons you clikc perhaps?

If you held AA then the call button could be a varation or a picture of two aces, but always different, so that a human could read it but not a bot.

Just an idea.

Good luck with the site.

indeed. I hope it doesn't come to that as well.

bitbetter, for now i want try to keep anonymous play via tor. and black/white listing by IP address will eliminate it. Will see. If people start abuse it - I will start blacklisting. But I hope I will not need it.

You could try whitelisting IP addresses. However--this gets very annoying for the users. But--it can surely cut down on SOME of the multiple accounts. Such an annoying issue!

Wheaton's Law.

I mean, that's what it boils down to.

My _current_ view in short form: =)

1) Multi accounts - I can't prevent it from creation due nature of internet and bitcoin. If someone can come up with good strategy to prevent it - let me know. Until then I will allow it as long as it is the only issue with player.

2) Forfeiting funds - this happened only once in the life of the project. In that case person had three accounts and was colluding another guy. Forfeited funds were used to re-pay what another player lost due colluding.

3) Why forfeiting funds instead of banning users - see #1 - there is no way to ban user. Only if user be afraid to loose their money I can be sure they will not do tricky stuff.

4) If you catch colluder(s) - email me with hands ## and their nicknames and I will look into it.

5) Be nice to other players and you will never have any problems on this site.

You're lucky the owner was so kind to even give you a warning and tell you not to do it again. Now he was out of line to threaten to confiscate your balance but you must have got him heated with all the complaints about your stalling. He should simply tell you are no longer welcome to play at the site anymore and tell you to give him an address to withdrawl your remaining balance to. The time system is there in place for the occasional times you are involved in a big hand and may need extra time in deciding your actions not to abuse it every single hand to piss off other players to try to drive them on tilt. If you did this in a live game where there is no time limit persay you would not be welcome to play there either and the floor would kick you out without a hesitation and not welcome you back. I suggest you go to your local card room and try your tactics and see how long you are welcome there. Yes you are taking away from the owners bottom line and he has EVERY right to kick you out. He is there to make money and if you are PURPOSELY affecting that than you are an annoyance to him and he has every right reserved to not want to accept your play. There are situations involving where stalling is an effective tactic and those situations would mostly come up in a tournament where you have already paid your entry plus rake. Those situations might come up around the bubble time when you are stalling to make the money. Those are perfectly within the rules and can be highly effective if you are the short stack trying to hold on. But in a cash game you doing it EVERY hand is not an effective strategy.

Now concerning the rampant multi accounting that is going on the at the site is not acceptable either. Most of the big online poker rooms policies do not allow you to be able to freely switch from one account to another to keep the integrity of the game intact. Yes there are a few sites that will allow you to change names every so often but most have a very strict policy against doing it. Once you sign up with an account and select your screen name thats it you do not have the option to change it. In fact on most if you are caught making several accounts you are in violation of the Terms and Conditions and the poker room can have every right to confiscate your funds. I wish the owner here would take a stronger stance on this issue seeing that there are several players that have been abusing this power frequently. I would say most are honest and stick to one name. I know who the multi accounters are for the most part but it takes some time at the tables and using my own notes to detect who they are but usually only after several hands of play.

It is UNFAIR to me since I am using one name and they already know my style of play but because they are constantly changing names on a daily basis I do not theirs until several hands of play. Then I can say oh this is so and so I know how he plays and I can adjust how I play that player. This is why they do it to take advantage of it. It is definitely a form of cheating and deception that shouldn't be allowed but the owner freely says its ok to do so in essence he is allowing a form of cheating to exist. The only way to combat this as a player myself is to change player names on a daily basis to even the playing field. In short, this shouldn't have to be how we play and there should be a stricter policy on multi accounting. I don't want to resort to that having to remember several usernames/passwords just to keep a one up on my opponents like they are doing to me.

 To you out there doing it and I KNOW who you are you have no ethics or morals and I can only hope for bad karma to come your way. You know why you do it is because you suck at poker and once people figure out how to exploit your plays you simply change screen names and come back as a new user.

Another good point brought up is the collusion that is also going on. Yes I know who I suspect is doing it and it quite obvious. While I won't say its going on all the time I keep my eye on a few players who I suspect are friends instant messaging each other their card holdings and cheating. There is just too much shady stuff going on at the site and I think other users have thought that as well which is why there are far fewer people playing on the site these days. Simply put I don't believe there is enough auditing of game security going on behind the scenes to prevent the integrity of the game is being upheld. Then again with only it being a one man operation I can't expect that he has the time necessary to put towards keeping the site up and doing all the security checks etc to be able to provide his clients a completely honest game.

all references to asshattery and donkeytesticles were only and ONLY made regarding use of the clock. everything else, as stated before, I really cannot opine on unless

a) chatlogs are posted
b) the trajectory of shit via fan is towards me.

One thing we can agree on is that shit is hitting the fan every day nowadays and it's not hard to see why from where I'm standing. You call it "lawyering asshattery", I call logical thinking.

Based on that, I was not in the wrong from any angle. You can't just change a right from wrong no matter how much "asshattery" there is. Neither I nor the admin can change the facts. Just because you think it's "lawyering asshattery" or "annoyingly slow" doesn't mean you can just bend the existing system way you want to abuse it. And certainly not by creating lies to justify making an undeserved threat. That is the true "asshattery" you are talking about. Not what I'm trying to do.

The fact is you are only allowed to act such way because the SYSTEM ALLOWS IT ALREADY. If it wasn't allowed, I couldn't have done it.

Fact is that the recent debacles speak for themselves.

No need to argue, this discussion is as old as onlinepoker itself.  i myself am using "timing tells" now and then, but again, it's my personal opinion that using the clock the way you are doing is a prime example of lawyering asshattery and for that reason i play with the 30s tables if i can.

whatever is between you and the admin, i cannot judge. since shit is hitting the fan almost every day now, i suggest SOMEONE bring some chatlogs.

Not trying to pick an argument as I see where your view is coming from, but where does it say that I cannot use the time that I am allowed? It's is exactly as you put it, "legal". If I need to take time on each bet, then I will use it every time. Just because "you" or anyone else think that it sucks "donkeyballs" still doesn't make it wrong. I am free to play as I please within the rules of the website and it's software. That is the end of the story. I did not cheat or do anything that was not allowed from the very beginning. Just because few people went crying to mommy doesn't mean it can all be turned upside down. In fact, the admin himself addressed much of the same issue about delays in the past by telling people to deal with it by going to shorter timer rooms, but why is it different this time including threats?

Oh I'm sure it was about money and nothing else. I know it because he told me first thing as he came in the room telling a LIE saying it was because I was "MULTI LOGGING" he was in there giving me the warning. I repeat, I NEVER multi logged and played a single hand on two accounts together EVER. This was CLEARLY NOT THE REAL REASON AND WE BOTH KNOW IT. He's now talking out of his ass saying he didn't say EXACTLY this. So if it is NOT this reason, then what is? MONEY OBVIOUSLY. In fact, when I asked directly back to the admin to explain how I was multi logging he left because he knew that I never did such thing. He was only there to use that as a leverage to make this threat sound more fitting and plausible. So it's like labeling me first a "terrorist"/"cheater" for something i did not do, then proceeded to threaten me of "forced military action"/"holding my btc" against me. Awesome. I mean I would love to subject myself voluntarily to situations like this... if I were a mindless idiot.

When there is only one table running and I'm slow in betting turning players away, I'm lowering the profit down purposely in the admins eyes. The admin has no regards for my freedom to play as I choose. Whatever profit rake was making does get effected more or less directly proportionally to time and hands/hour. This is not debatable. It is a fact. Amount being large or small is irrelevant here simply because at the time of this incident there was only one single table up and running. Any percentage of slowing down directly will effect the amount of rake produced. It is the only other thing that is more or less directly proportional outside of hand/hour. To say that this had no effect on this actions is being shortsighted imho.

I, too, want to know if there actually was another reason. They will probably claim that it was to "protect" it's player base. Just like how U.S Homeland security is there to "protect" it's citizens. Yeah... right. It's NOT their job to protect other players chips from me. Their job is to facilitate the game and fair play. That is it.If they just came out and said I was ruining their business and they won't allow my act from the get go, at least that would have been an honest move. I wouldn't have argued with that at all actually because it's easy to understand his situation for a startup website. I would have stopped if he explained the issue to me the right way because I personally liked the site despite it's shortcomings being a pioneer somewhat.

The timer is there so people can think if thought is needed or that people on bad connections dont get diso'd and have some time to reconnect before their hand is folded.

It is NOT REPEAT NOT the purpose of the clock to enable players to piss other players off and/or stall the game for strategic reasons. You are in fact, and I say this with all due neutrality "abusing" this function. While well within the scope of "legal" tactics, it's widely agreed upon that it sucks donkeyballs. Noone can do shit to stop you from doing it, but noone will want to play with you.

I did ask the admin to make the clock faster, he simply told me to go to another, quicker table and thats what I did. With the rake being as little as it is and with only two or so table open at any time I sincerely doubt that you're really interfering with the "profits" of the site, unless you were playing at a full table of 500/1000 No Limit ^^

All I did was use up my timer and bet out small amounts when it was my turn. I did not do anything wrong or directly break any rules that were stated anywhere on the website.

Now tell me exactly how me taking my time betting using the timer on the site "abusing players"? Don't you mean "abusing your profits"? Am I not supposed to trying "abuse" other players and pressure them so I can win? What is this some poker fairytale?
 
If I'm playing to win, it's my job to make the position of the other players as uncomfortable as possible. You want me to play so that people like me on the site? Are you joking?
IT'S BAD ENOUGH THERE ARE CHEATING TAG TEAMS THERE ALL THE TIME PLAYING.

What rule do any other sites have regarding using their timer to the full extent and betting out in small amounts? If I have broken any rule, I would not be complaining. I apparently got on the admin's nerves for slowing down the rate and hands/hour along with a few players that couldn't handle the play-style of mine and cried about it to the admin on IRC. IT'S NOT ROCKET SCIENCE TO ME OR ANYONE ELSE THAT GREED WAS THE REASON FOR YOUR TANTRUM.

I NEVER logged on and played on multiple accounts, yet it is the FIRST THING ADMINS ACCUSES ME OF WRONG DOING PROCEEDED BY A THREAT TO CLOSE MY ACCOUNTS WITH FUNDS IN THEM. Admins then comes in and basically says here on the thread that I"m lucky I got the money out before I posted this while making some lame excuse about how if I actually did multi-logged then he would have ALREADY held the money. YES WE KNOW YOU WISH YOU HAD THE CHANCE TO KEEP MY MONEY. YOU JUST WANT AN EXCUSE TO DO IT. NO DIFFERENT THAN POLICE LOOKING FOR AN EXCUSE TO LOCK YOU UP OR SHOOT YOU FOR RESISTING ARREST. HOW PATHETIC YOU ARE. ABUSING THE LITTLE TINNNNNNNY BIT OF POWER YOU HAVE AS AN ADMIN OF A POKER WEB SITE THAT FILLS UP MAYBE TWO FULL TABLES ON A GOOD DAY. YOU ARE THE REASON WHY BITCOIN WAS CREATED AND THE CENTRAL BANKS BEHAVE THE WAY THEY DO. PATHETIC PARASITE.

if you are someone who knows how to critically think for yourself and not some drone, you would obviously see where I'm coming from. And I know people here will agree with me on this. I'm 100% not on the wrong here. Not even a little bit. Otherwise I would not be taking such extreme side. Consider this a valuable lesson in karma that you spoke so highly of in your previous posts.

The admin has proven time and time again on this very thread how childish and limited he is in his capacity is to think beyond justifying his obvious shortcomings in common sense.

I WOULD STAY FAR AWAY AS POSSIBLE FROM THIS PLACE IF YOU LIKE KEEPING YOUR MONEY.

As we all know, capital letters mean that people will definitely listen to what you have to say.

DOUBLE POST

People played at Full Tilt, amirite? And no, they weren't. And yes, Full Tilt embezzled funds. The worlds #2 poker site! UB poker had a player who could see everyone else's holecards! I cannot blame anyone who plays on a "home-coded" site to at least be very attentive and maybe overcautious.


BTT:
If someone uses all their time bank every hand, let them. Move to a faster table. That's what I do, call people over there and play quicker. Worked fine last night! I personally hate it and I think it's rude to use this tactic, but hey, I'll waste my breath on other things.
 

Now even if it's a private club, the owner needs to be held to the highest standards and assure the safety and comfort of all players. This involves "proving" that nothing's wrong - chat histories, hand histories (for analysis for statistical anomalies) etc etc.

aren't we all libertarians at heart? isn't transparency what we strive to achieve?

correction: messes with players playing here.

I dunno. A lot of people play at PokerStars and they have similar policies. Are they morons?

This is exactly what I'm talking about. You think you are trying to make it sound like you don't allow cheating, but you know exactly what you did and what you said to me. What utter nonsense this is... You trying to come here and trying to make it sounds like something other than your own greed and power tripping.

You think you can keep people's money if you feel like it because you are the admin which is wrong on so many levels for a poker site. And because you think this is OK, you feel that you can make THREATS to players saying you will close account without refund if they do anything that messes with your profit within your private poker club. WHAT MORON WOULD PLAY THERE?

Play at btcontilt.com where the admin doesn't make threats to keep your money because you are playing the way you want.

as i said before - this is private club. i want people to be nice to each other. if one player drives crazy 9 other players at the table - i will kick him out.

now, i never said you were using many account in the SAME time. I said you had more then one account. This is separate topic if this should be allowed or no, but I tend to agree it should be allowed as long as this is the only "problem" player cause to other players. In the end - nobody even will notice that.

Now, you were able to withdraw your funds. But if I would notice you using same account at the same time at the same table - believe me, your account would be locked before anyone complain. And yes - i will do what I feel right to do since I am _admin_ of the site.