Topic: 🏈🏈 The American Football Discussion Thread 🏈🏈 - page 224. (Read 48777 times)

^What if all four of you have Patriots pick an offensive player and Belichick decides to go defense instead, wouldn't that be beautiful?

I'm not holding my breath though, Patriots first picks the last two years (late first-rounders): OT, RB, and WR. haha gg

Some of the mock drafts have NE choose between Epenesa (DE), Yetur Gross-Matos (DE), or Kmet (TE)...

edit; McKinney (NYG) and Kyle Dugger/S (NE)

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Off-topic; i hope Chiefs win their next Super Bowl in 2070

Yes, seemed a bit like a desperate move, but GB surely just didn't do it for fun, so they must have heard some rumours. Looking a bit further down the list, I could imagine the Colts maybe thinking about moving up from #34. Get Love, let him learn one year behind Rivers and then put him in. Colts seem to have lost trust in Brissett being their answer at QB, so such a move would make sense.

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While waiting for the second round to start (nearly midnight here already ), it came to my mind that the Patriots could take McKinney and thus destroy all my Sportsbet promo hopes This would put us both at 12/15 @morvillz7z, but don't think it would be enough for any prize money. One of those 11/13 guys surely has McKinney/defensive player as well and would take the pot then. Even worse, if the Patriots pick Delpit or Winfield, but they have good safeties, so I think this won't happen.

Many mock drafts had the NY Giants drafting an OL but it seems they like to surprise everyone with their first pick, they did it with Daniel Jones last year and now they have done it again.

TB is in SB or bust mode, except for adding Antonio Brown they are doing everything they can to help Brady to make a smooth transition and to win them as many games as possible, so regardless of what happens TB is now must watch television.

From Miami perspective I do not like the trade, they did not get robbed but they did not got enough value in order to justify the trade, they traded down four spots and only got a fifth when a fourth was way closer to fair value.

Rodgers is still good but he is not the same as before so it makes sense to have someone ready just in case, he is 36 and will turn 37 during the regular season, however GB should prepare itself since I see the potential for lots of unnecessary drama especially since it seems Rodgers was not consulted about this possibility.

What I would like to know is who was trying to get Jordan Love? Miami just had selected their future QB and it does not seem as if Seattle, Baltimore or Tennessee needed a QB, so who was trying to get ahead of GB so they felt the need to trade up for him?


KC has been trolling everyone since the post-season so it makes sense they keep that pattern going on.


According to reports no one was interested in trading up for the 3rd or 4th pick in the draft, Miami wanted Tua and the LA Chargers seemed to be fine with Herbert falling on their lap, honestly I thought LV Raiders could be interested but it seems they like the mediocrity Carr offers to them.

NE has lost lots players this off-season and yet they only have 2.1 millions in cap space which is probably not enough to sign the new guys they will draft, so it is possible that trading out of the first round was nothing more but a move which was financially motivated while also getting an adequate compensation for their first-round pick.

Also it seems Belichick really likes Stidham so there is the possibility NE does not draft a QB until the third day of the draft just to fill that spot.

Thank you. I liked my chances in this one - this is way better than E-Sports or even Soccer - but you need some luck as well. The last two questions (over/under for defensive/offensive players drafted in first round) were a bit tricky for someone not familiar with the draft, since over+over and under+under had no chance to be both correct, which gave an advantage to the more knowledgeable ones. Only over+under or under+over could result in both choices being correct and I indeed guessed correctly.


Tbh this was just a little (poor mans) hedge, because I had Alabama -0.5 vs LSU in another promo elsewhere Looked like I would lose both, but the Chiefs saved me in Sportsbet promo.


My thinking was, that Patriots already had a very good defense, but struggled offensively last season. And with Brady gone and aging WR's, I thought they would go WR with their first pick. If not WR, then I thought they would go offense anyway, since they have to kind of rebuild offensively and might want to get some new pieces for that. They have traded out of first round now and I am not sure what they are looking for tbh.

That's nice to hear. I was almost certain you would do exceptionally well in this promo.


Same for me, Okudah and Lamb, but why did you take the LSU over 4.5? 5 players in the first round was a reach.
Chiefs doing me dirty since the Super Bowl.


I'm pretty sure everyone has McKinney in their lists (including me).
As for the Patriots, i went the other way and picked a defensive player. They are not drafting a QB, that's fo sure.


Good luck tonight!

Yes, very surprising. Was pretty sure, he would be the first WR to get picked. And Cowboys don't really need him, he was just BPA. Otoh I am happy with it, because it means their defense will still suck.


Gettleman totally blew that one imo. Thomas was a reach at #4. He is just the safe pick, since you know what you get from him, while Wirfs/Willis have bigger upside. I just think that Thomas would have been there at around 8-15 and thus would have liked a trade. Maybe no one was willing. After everyone predicted trade mayhem, it was a non-show as so often. I was pretty sure some team would jump to #3 or #4, but nope. German commentators said, that it's maybe due to the virtual nature of the draft and a lot of GMs not being familiar with these internet things or it being too weary to organize a trade this way.


I am sitting right at the top of the leaderboard with 11/13. Was wrong with Okudah as well and had Lamb 1-12. I have McKinney to be first Safety drafted (quite surprising he is still available) and Pats going offensive player for the two remaining. Lets see. I missed one promo win already with a goal in 94th minute, so expect Lady luck to be on my side this time

With my bets I have a lot of red ones, only hit on Jeudy over 12.5 so far, which was biggest bet thanks god. One bet is still undecided and if it wins, could put me in profit. If not, it was a bad draft betting wise

How did the Cowboys get CeeDee Lamb @17? I don't think anyone had him slide past 13. Every mock draft that i've seen, he was somewhere between 10-13, crazy!

I expected Giants to maybe draft Wirfs, certainly top10, welp i guess Bucs keep winning the offseason. Watch out!

And the most shocking to me, and probably to everyone else watching the draft, was the Packers' pick - Jordan Love. Are they really trying to move away from Rodgers?

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How many did you get?

I'm with 10, trailing the leaders by just one with only two questions remaining. Unlikely for me to get to the top.

I seriously thought Lions would move down to 5, or maybe draft Derrick Brown instead of Okudah. I read that Matt Patricia was leaning towards Brown. Sigh.

And the one that really hurt me was how many LSU players will be drafted in the first round, i went with under 4.5
Chiefs drafted Clyde Edwards-Helaire with the last pick. This guy wasn't even the highest-ranked RB prospect. Why...whyyyy?

Lots of trade rumours flying around now. This goes from the Falcons trading up all the way to #2 to get Young, from the Dolphins jumping to #3 to get an OT for Tua while keeping their #5 pick to get him to the Giants having found a trade partner in Jacksonville. Jets also apparently looking to move up, to get an OT - these OT's seem to be highly valued and needed by a lot of teams This is good and entertaining to follow, but I guess only 1% of all those rumours will become reality. Even saw rumours about Herbert getting picked by the Giants, which would be hilarious in terms of dynamics in this draft.

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You have it in your own hands maybe


Source: https://www.betonline.ag/sportsbook/futures-and-props/nfl-draft

If it was up to me id probably keep all three of them intact. Play Gronk exclusively on 3rd downs and red zone action, that way they will have him fresh for the postseason. I'd don't think that's going to happen though, i read earlier today that "Bucs Nearly Traded O.J. Howard For Trent Williams" (that was before TB got Brady...so who knows). Gut feeling, they will trade him.

It depends on what the Tompa Bay... sorry, the Tampa Brady... damn, the Tampa Bay... phew, Gronkaneers (throws away the keyboard out of the window).

Anyways it depends, it seems they are actually looking to trade OJ Howard in which case they may be looking to get some value out of him, if Gronk performs at least to the same level and they get a 2nd or 3rd round pick out of OJ Howard then that is the same as exchanging their 4th round pick for a 7th and a 2nd or a 3rd pick which is not a bad business.

However a more interesting possibility is for TB to keep all of their TEs and play 12 personnel(2TEs, 2WRs and 1RB) more often, this was done in NE when they had Gronk and Hernandez(good player, horrible person) and it was very effective, in fact of all the offences NE ran over the years that was the one I liked the most.

To be honest, I found it more surprising that Gronk retired last year.  I half expected him to take a year off and then join another team.  I suspect there was some personality conflicts between Gronk and Belichick.  Now he'll be reunited with his friend and mentor on what appears to be one of the better offenses in the league this year, but it's like you said; "on paper."

But I won't be holding my breath for the Bucs.  I've seen this too often to really expect anything grand.  They're in great position with their offensive line, but with two big names on the offense now, who're likely to side with each other could undermine the authority of the coach.  Two of the most successful and experienced players in the league are very likely to gain a lot of influence   If everyone one remains professional and keeps their egos out of the mix, they'll have a great season.  If not, strong personalities will come to conflict and leave the locker room divided.  I can just as easily see the Bucs' offense collapse under it's own weight.

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Welcome!

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I hope Lamb is available at #13! 

He's my favorite at the WR position, and since the 9ers lost Emanuel Sanders I'm a bit concerned.  Sanders was a big addition for us last year, and I was quite sad to see him go.  The other thing that concerns me; the Niners don't have any picks for rounds 2, 3, and 4.  If we don't get one of those top notch receivers, I wouldn't mind seeing us trade down and gain some picks.

I like that Makes that division even more exciting. He is still young-ish, but injury-prone. Don't expect him to be as good as in his prime for sure, but his presence on the field alone should help the Bucs in every regard. And Brady trusts him I guess.

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Have placed another bet based on some recent information/rumours I found.

First 3 Wide Receivers Drafted - Exact Order

1. Lamb 2. Juedy 3. Ruggs 3.30    
1. Jeudy 2. Lamb 3. Ruggs 3.60    
1. Jeudy 2. Ruggs 3. Lamb 9.00    
1. Ruggs 2. Lamb 3. Jeudy 9.00    
1. Ruggs 2. Jeudy 3. Lamb 11.00    
1. Lamb 2. Jeudy 3. Jefferson 13.00    
1. Jeudy 2. Lamb 3. Jefferson 15.00    
1. Jeudy 2. Ruggs 3. Jefferson 23.00    
1. Lamb 2. Ruggs 3. Jefferson 23.00 Stake 1/10 betonline
1. Ruggs 2. Jeudy 3. Jefferson 34.00    
1. Ruggs 2. Lamb 3. Jefferson 34.00    

And:

Jeudy draft position: over 12.5 @2.30 Stake: 4/10 William Hill

Lamb, Juedy and Ruggs are the three top receivers in this draft and all are projected to go 10-15. Justin Jefferson is relatively sure to get picked somewhere 20-25, with some others like Reagor, Aiyuk, Mims, Higgins not far behind.

Rumours are some undisclosed knee issues from Juedy:


Source: https://twitter.com/NatalieEgenolf/status/1252659070978457601

Now there are always rumours and smokescreens and to trust on these being true, is foolish. But the over 12.5 is the main bet and carries some value imo, since all mock drafts point to over 12.5 and odds are good with 2.30. The other bet is a little gamble in case there is indeed some truth behind these rumours.

Ooh. Just saw this thread for the first time. Following.

Just a few thoughts:

- new Rams logo is stupid... may have to find a new favorite team
- gonna pay more attention to the draft this year since I'm bored AF
- let's hope everything gets back to normal by August!

Yo, what just happened, Gronk coming off retirement? No more WWE?! 
There were some rumors but i didn't believe any of it to be true.
That Tampa Bay offense sounds amazing, at least on paper. Interesting to see how it all plays out on the field.
Though they might need to trade one of the other two TEs, probably OJ.


source: https://www.espn.com/nfl/

Have gone through some Mock Drafts, to check how is the sentiment among those experts. They are as much in the dark as everyone else of course, so these Mock Drafts are just some fun. When even 95% of the teams have no idea whom they will actually draft, how should anyone else know I do believe a bit in swarm intelligence though, so I have placed some bets for the Draft. Follow at your own risk, but tbh I don't recommend to follow at all. All played with smallish stakes.

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Highest Drafted Edge Rusher (only these three count for this bet):

Josh Uche 1.68    
Julian Okwara 2.75    
Terrell Lewis 5.50 Stake 3/10 Betonline

Pretty high odds imo. I expect all three of them to go early-mid 2nd round, lets see, who will be the first. Terrell Lewis is Alabama guy and teams like to pick players from their defense.

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Will Austin Jackson be a 1st Round Pick?

Yes 1.28    
No 3.25 Stake 2/10 Betonline

Some have him getting drafting in the 20's, some don't have him drafted in first round. Odds for No are just too good here, since there are lots of better OT's in this draft and not every team will take an OT.

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Which Pick Will Andrew Thomas be Drafted

Under 10½ Pick 1.62    
Over 10½ Pick 2.20 Stake 1/10 Betonline

This is a close one. Wirfs, Willis will go before him. Bectons stock has gone down due to some drug issue I think, but he could go before Thomas as well nevertheless. Most have him go 10-14 range and with these odds, I'll take my chances.

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Total Players from Clemson Drafted in Round 1

Over 1½ Players Drafted 1.22    
Under 1½ Players Drafted 3.75 Stake 2/10 Betonline

Isaiah Simmons is a lock for R1. Then you have a CB and a WR from Clemson, that could go late first round, but there are so many players and on top always some surprise picks (hopefully not from Clemson ). Good odds.

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Will probably add some more in the next days, but thats it for now. Good luck, if you place any bets too, should be a fun draft


Source: https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1252287112147349505

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Now you made me curious I looked up all drafts back to the Eli Manning draft; I am not very good with memorizing these things tbh. Giants have never traded up or down in the first round since then, apart from 2006 where they traded down with the Steelers and then took Mathias Kiwanuka ( ) with the 32nd pick. 

I think both, the Lions and Giants, are in a great position to trade down and accumulate some more picks. Regarding the Giants, they will look for OT help and this years draft is stacked with good ones (Wirfs, Wills, Becton, Thomas), so you can find your guy with some lower pick too. Lions would love to get Okudah, but if they for example trade down with the Chargers, they will still get him. I am not sure, if I would take a CB at #3 anyway tbh. The transition for CBs from College to NFL is pretty tough and it takes a long time until they have adapted. I don't think CBs are that important and it's a lot of trial and error with them There are more important positions imo, where you should spend your high first round picks on.


Thank you. I actually got some help for the last steps from iasenko, and Welsh then making it happen with a little merit shower. Added some thoughts here.

If I remember correctly the average score for a QB is 26 so you can see Justing Herbert and Jordan Love are right there while Joe Burrow is comfortably above that with a score of 34, just for reference Tom Brady had a score of 33 while Aaron Rodgers scored 35, however while you are right and this does not tell much about the future career of a player at the same time the fact that Tua had such a low score is probably going to play against him.


The Detroit Lions are in a great position if you ask me, neither Cincinnati or Washington will exchange their picks and I do not remember the last time the New York Giants traded down on the first round(you probably remember this better than I do), so anyone looking for a QB not named Joe Burrow will have to go through them, however if they ask for too much the Giants could be the winners in all of this, but I doubt Dave Gettleman has the ability to extract as much value as he could from their 4th pick.

But this begs the question, who has the picks and the interest to move up in the draft and try to get either the 3rd or 4th pick? It may seem ridiculous but Miami may feel the need to go up a few spots to make sure they get their QB, this will no different than when Chicago moved up one spot to make sure they got Trubisky(in retrospective an awful move in a draft that had both Mahomes and Watson), another team interested could be Las Vegas Raiders which do not seem to be too happy with Carr, finally the LA Chargers should be highly interested but unless they are willing to part ways with some of their starters they do not have the draft capital to move up.

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Off Topic: I think two weeks ago I saw you were close to rank up and now you have finally done it, so congratulations on reaching Legendary rank in such a rapid fashion.

Wonderlic scores were published:


Source: https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/2020-nfl-draft-wonderlic-test-scores-revealed-tua-tagovailoa-ranks-lowest-among-quarterbacks-per-report/

Although they don't say a lot regarding NFL careers, I always find it interesting to look at these scores. And it surely influences the teams, if they are undecided between two or more players. Having said that, Tagovailoa really hasn't good arguments with that score and considering the uncertainty regarding his hip.

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I have placed a bet on Justin Herbert being picked under 5.5 at William Hill for @2.15. Betonline has 1.83/1.83 for that one, so I expect these odds to carry some value just on paper, since betonline is sharper in regards to NFL imo and Will Hill maybe failed to adjust.

1) Bengals: Burrow is a lock
2) Redskins: Young is a lock
3) Lions: CB Okudah most likely
4) Giants: OT 80% or that LB Simmons
5) Dolphins: QB
6) Chargers:QB

Dolphins/Chargers will fight for Tagovailoa and Herbert, but I think Herbert will get picked before Tagovailoa, so normally #5, if no trades happen. I wouldn't rule out some team like the Raiders doing a big move to get one of them either. Lions and Giants can easily trade down a bit and still get players that suit their needs. Getting a good QB is not easy, so teams are willing to give up a lot to get their guy. If Chargers are really on high on Herbert, which I think they are, they might consider a trade with the Giants too to jump in front of the Dolphins. Lets see.

Agree, I don't rate him as high as well. And he is no #1 WR, which Houston lacks now. They now have a group of rather smallish WRs and it's missing some big/tall guy. Hopkins isn't that tall either, but he is pretty compact being 6ft1 and weighing 210+lb.


XFL has declared bankruptcy yesterday


I am hopeful and still think everything will start according to plan. Could be that preseason will get shortened or regular season start shifted a bit, but there is just too much money involved imo to cancel it all.


Thanks. I checked some betting odds regarding the draft yesterday, but nothing caught my attention so far (I also lack some knowledge tbh, there are just too many players and variables). Only sure thing is Bengals picking Burrow and Young going to the Redskins. After these two teams have picked, I expect some trade action with Dolphins/Chargers trying to move up.

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Meanwhile CMC has signed an extension and is now earning more money than any RB ever. Good decision money-wise, but not sure, if he will be happy playing for a team that looks to be in shambles.

Gil Brandt just announced his top 150 prospects for the 2020 NFL Draft. There are some interesting names in his list and some I didn't expected. It's definitely worth to look it through. I thought I might share it here.