Topic: The effect the mixer ban has had on the forum. - page 9. (Read 4426 times)

first of all, please remove these images, you are not authorised and we do not wish this to be displayed outside of our forum, you are free to join and write whatever you want, but taking screenshots to criticise on another platform, that's a bit too much, don't you think ?

Second, btt have tons of money, to do whatever they want, we do not have enough money to execute our basic plans, and we want to do a lot, and growth and development requires a lot of money. Startups spend millions on growth and development... Also for the records, paying users are a rarity, almost all special ranks were granted in the early days of the forum ... back in 2017-18!

There are only few features that are paying, and these features are problematic and require close monitoring, hence they were rendered unavailable, but then much much later, they were made available for special ranks and donors ...
Not your business to decide how another forum should be run IMO.

Every feature in altt was well thought about ... It is not bitcointalk, it is an entirely different forum, you sould not expect exact same rules and modus opperendi.

Certainly stackoverflow and its subforums is one of the best forums in the internet.

I also like reddit. There are a tons of good places to share knowledge in the internet. As elon musk said, you can learn basically anything for free in the internet

The thing with mixers was that they were common targets. We can argue that casinos or exchanges could get seized for operating illegally sometimes as well, but it is an uncommon phenomenon, whereas mixers are in almost every nation considered unlicensed money transmitters. It is a matter of time until all are shut down, and that's the excuse for the precautionary measure, as I see it.

What we need to consider is where we're heading to in terms of legislature. If we start treating mixers as illicit entities, then it won't be late until every privacy solution is deemed as illicit. Whirlpool? Tagged as money transmitting service. Joinmarket? Tagged as money transmitting and obfuscating protocol. Monero? The same.

At least in the case of BitMixList, if it comes to the point where mixers are completely outlawed worldwide, I can just take the site down.

I think sig camps won't go away, but the mixer ban came screaming and with many warnings.

Before the forum-wide ban, a few mixers were seized by the police and they went down because they were laundering money for the terrorists. You can't take the risk of hosting these projects in your website. I am not sure if everybody fully understands the weight of this action. The other forum thinks they can do it... and the people who carry these signatures think, they can promote these projects without any consequences.

I hope none of them will find themselves in a position where they'll think "theymos was wise, I wish I stopped promoting mixers"

Here is the non-still picture you should be looking at. What's money when your ass sits in a jail cell?

Without a shadow of doubt, the same principal applies to this forum because members here would vanish overnight if signature campaigns were ever to be banned. Almost every member here is posting because they get paid for it therefore if you take the pay away they will go elsewhere to get pay.

I suppose if theymos ever wanted to have this forum cleaned-up and have it taken back to a place where it was about newbies asking about Bitcoin on one hand and advanced members posting about core issues on the other, then he should ban signature campaigns but that decision is going to bring seismic and maybe unforeseen changes.

And if the admin fakes "LoyceV's account on bitcointalk, will he/she also be able to input the link to his altcoin account on his Bitcointalk profile? I guess that will be impossible, and as such that's how people will be able to know that the account created on the alternative site as been fake, since one criteria needed for the creation of a altcoin account is for such member to input his/her account link on his bitcointalk profile.


For me, I think how much time spent per each visit for the 10 times per hour will determine if it will count or not, because just as we know how the Youtube algorithm works, as for a video view to be counted as 1 view, it is required that such a video needs to be watch for at least 1 to 5 minutes and above, hence when it comes to website page visits, if only you can spend at least 1 to 5 minutes per each visits, then it will definitely count in the monthly statistical traffic result.

Forums are long surpassed by social media and messaging platforms like Discord in terms of traffic, and this is why I have stopped using forums. However, there are exceptions like this place where people can converse in a civilized and constructive manner. I just don't see this often in Reddit or Discord, and I definitely don't see it on Facebook groups. And I've noticed this myself; I just write more carefully in here.

Believe me, if I didn't have bitcointalk, I wouldn't have a chance to possess the knowledge that I do; at least not in such a short time span. You can go and search my history when I was a newbie; it might even look as if another person was writing at that time. Maybe being relatively young played a big role too, but I'm pretty confident that I'd be incapable of distinguishing the truth just by surfing the web.

Look. I'm not gonna be that romantic crypto-anarchist who confidently ignores the thousand percent profit of their bitcoin investment, and just shifts to "Ideology is more important" or whatever. Granted, most people I know (including myself) are into crypto for making money. Hell, the Proof-of-Work mechanism depends on people driven from profit.

However, there are, indeed, genuine parts of cryptocurrency that can radically change society if taken seriously, with the most important being detaching state intervention from money creation. And of course, being permissionless (which brings me back to why I got into Bitcoin), private, censorship-resistant, transparent, and always available for me. It would be unforgivable if we ignored the initial purpose that set stone to the concept of a cryptocurrency. And truth be told, 99.9% of the altcoins ignore these principles and exist solely for the financial gains.

Good for you, I just don't feel like I belong in an Internet board surrounded by what I'd make fun of in this place.

BlackHatCoiner it is sad to see you leave altcoinstalks, but you can teleport back whenever you want, we will always welcome you with open arms.

Allow me, if you may, give my 2 cents on this discussion.
1- What are forums ? Do forums have a fighting chance against the many centralized platforms ? In the past forums were the way to discuss a topic, now you have facebook groups, subreddit, discord and so on ...

2- What is the purpose of bitcointalk or other crypto forums ? Educating ? Ok, but there are now so many resources out there that are more user friendly and search engine friendly ... And better researched, concise ...

3- Making money is the reason 99% of people got in crypto, some invested, other joined bounty campaigns and some launched some crypto coins, yes a lot want to discuss crypto, but as stated in point 1, they now have a lot of alternatives.

4- Bitcointalk have enough money to last a lifetime, but Altcoinstalks will evolve with time, we will do everything required and needed to stay relevant in a highly changing world. We do not have the money but we have the will and determination to be of service to the crypto community.

5- We do not see Bitcointalk as the enemy,  anyone seeing Altcoinstalks as such, is narrowminded.

Well, that's the sad truth. I refuse to believe someone makes an account there for other reason than money. However, I don't believe the overwhelming majority in bitcointalk would voluntarily contribute to their fellow forum users either. Perhaps occasionally, but certainly not with the same eagerness and frequency.

Isn't there a list of users who can whitelist you for free?

That is precisely why no other forum can compete. When you have enough money to operate for years ahead, without ads, with paid moderation (even if not enough), even with a YouTube series, you can at least be the one with the aim to be as free as possible.

Only if they pay for it
Like I said in another topic:
The "admin" responded by blaming the messenger:

Many other websites can't even be reached on Tor. At least Bitcointalk gives "evil" IPs an option.

I don’t agree. That forum is not only bad, it runs on a ponzi scheme. The VIP members are the earlier ponzi participants and whenever a new sucker (monarch) joins and pays more than the sucker before, the prize pool gets bigger so are their profits.

If the reputable members of this forum want to be a part of this freak show, it is their choice…

Of course he is wrong, and what you say proves it. Instead of talking about what can happen in this forum, you are talking about how bad he is. Then we have those who have been teleported who argue that that forum has improved and will probably improve further thanks to the teleported memebers. I wanted to talk about the effect here but once the thread was created I have no control over where the conversation is going.


The administrator can do whatever he wants there, but if the teleported accounts have a link in this forum and LoyceV's does not have it, it will be clear that the administrator has been cheating.

 

The admin can fake a LoyceV account there. The admin doesn’t have to follow his own rules. That’s what he meant.


Is he wrong thoe? That forum is a freakshow.

Your highness my ass

Here we can even neg trust the admin and he won’t go ape shit over it.

They even have a “crypto senate”. A crypto senate, a monarch, an admin goes to a bar…

You referenced it in your first post, and several respondents pointed out why that forum is bad to rebut your premise of there being a "danger of traffic transfer".

Nobody is going to stop posting here because of that forum.

Will discussion about specific mixers move from here to there? Possibly, but that's kind of the whole point of the mixer ban -- to discourage advertisement of mixers, whether it is direct, indirect or even accidental advertisement.

It doesn't work like that, teleported people have a link to in their Bitcointalk profile that links to the Altcointalk profile. The Altcointalk admin can't log into your account here and put a link.


Not exactly from the first post, but rather from your first replies that insist on talking about how bad that forum is and how cool this one is.

That is what this thread has been about since the first post.


That actually serves a legitimate purpose: to prevent spammers & other rulebreakers from registering dozens of accounts at a time. It has nothing to do with collecting profits, unlike every fee on the other forum.


It is easy to criticize because it is so blatantly scammy.

I looked through the posts, you are right there is at least one person saying he has two reasons for registering there. I wish you success in getting $5000 from your activities in that forum. Is the intention of getting $5000 from that forum via signature campaigns? I presume your support of liked POW coins will not provide a revenue stream if the intent is to post in their threads.

I disagree with you. I specifically said some alts are decent POW coins and I want to make up for the $5000 worth of BTC I had to refund to my prepaid mixer when bitcointalk ended mixers.

So at least one person is saying 2 reasons for being there.

1) to get my $5000 back
2) to support the handful of alt pow coins I like

Instead of talking about bitcointalk forum after mixer ban, most of the people here started talking about other altt forum 
I can understand criticism about payments and weird rules there, but let's not forget about evil IP that is not available in any other forum, asking people to pay Bitcoin to complete registration is only available on Bitcointalk forum.
Another thing about funds for servers and money for maintaining website, it's easy to criticize others when bitcointalk collected enough money from donations and ads to last a lifetime 
https://bitcointalk.org/donate.html