Topic: The effect the mixer ban has had on the forum. - page 13. (Read 4426 times)

Well I thank you for this info.

I will likely look to start posting there myself.

I am getting older and mining has been a grind for me.

I had a really good deal with an un named mixer.

It ended and I had to refund four months of prepaid btc. Well over 4,000 dollars.

I will continue posting here but likely less than I have.

I had planned to end mining and use the mixer signature to help with the transition.

I agree there's no fear of your password getting compromised or hacked because it will need a 2FA to log in here in Bitcointalk I used 2FA on all my emails and sites I had an account and I feel safe using a 2FA, we will seldom read topics about account getting hacked, there was even a thread where the account takes a loan without the knowledge of the member, with 2FA it will be prevented.
All we have to do is to protect our email its better to create a dedicated email for Bitcointalk.

Now I only understand the importance of 2FA after hearing your explanation that the problem of password leaks can be solved with 2FA. Initially I ignored this feature because I still felt I didn't need this feature. But you are right that with 2FA our account security becomes thicker or more layered. Thank You

It seems I really have to thank the person who came up with the idea of ​​adding (optional) 2FA to this forum, namely PowerGlove. Thanks very much PowerGlove.  

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Let's take off the forum thread author creating some keyword queries.  
There's still no way the forum will have the chance to compete with Bitcointalk in terms of organic traffic because the forum lacks quality UI/UX and it's somehow complicated and not easy to use when navigating some thread, or section to another.

You have to post a stat to back up your claim, I have always said before that Bitcointalk's massive traffic comes from organic traffic created from thousands of discussions that are indexed by search engines, and with thousands of backlinks Bitcointalk gets massive respect from the search engine

Traffic does not come from gambling posters and gamblers alone some discussions about Bitcoin and other subjects that are years older that able to pull traffic for Bitcointalk.


I'm pretty sure Theymos knows what he is doing he is the Admin he has the comprehensive traffic stat of the forum, apart from the public stat here
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=stats

I don't think that's going to be the least of their concerns or worries as I noticed that most users who got their accounts teleported from BTT to ALTT end up using the very same email they used to sign up to this site as well. Which means that regardless if they used the same password or not. A hacker determined to really get a hold of some BTT user's details will be able to use their email as an access pass without real issue.

The greater concern lies in the fact that this change led to fewer campaigns, less traffic into the forum, and the fact that energy is diverted from everywhere else in the forum to gambling discussion, since most of these signature campaigns (including the one that I'm on right now) require their members to post a couple comments in the board. The latter's not necessarily a bad thing as more people means the gambling board can finally get its break from stupid users creating shitposts and shitcomments but at the very same time this takes engagement out of the more important parts of the forum in my opinion. We may not notice it right now but as more gambling sites push for advertisement here it's going to be more and more apparent.

Pretty sure theymos got's something up his sleeve as what many people here have thought since you can't just issue a massive change like this without weighing in the consequences, but at the same time it's better be good lol.

In the run up to announcing a huge decision such as banning mixers, I would be surprised if theymos did not foresee traffic at other forums increasing. As this forum has signature campaign participants earning more than elsewhere, he would not have to contemplate less posts being made here but would surely have accepted the inevitable changes at other forums.

It's never recommended to use the same password across multiple accounts, but we now have an additional line of defense to protect Bitcointalk accounts. You have probably noticed that the forum now allows to set up 2FA. So, even if your password leaked, whoever gets their hands on it would also need the 2FA code, assuming that you set it up.

The impact is only that more people teleport from btt to altt. But I hope that everyone who teleports can still maintain the security of their account on BTT. By not using the same password to be in different forums but with the same name. Because if one of the accounts in the forum has been successfully infiltrated by someone else, it will be the same as our accounts in other forums. So the most important thing is to have a different password for each account we have on other forums. Not only on altt but also on other crypto forums, which are actually quite numerous at the moment even though the traffic is quite light.

It will always be a forum. For the sake of argument, I kind of see what you're saying, but its more like a museum than a ruin. The museum has a 6-year-deep layer of spam around it, yet its important exhibits are still easily located with the right Google queries.


Traffic isn't being moved elsewhere. Everyone who opened an account on altcoinstalks is still here. Organic traffic over there is minimal because its 100% spam... Like a contemporary museum without exhibits, there's no reason for visitors to go there.

I'm sure that Theymos is well aware that the traffic is being moved elsewhere in fact that's the whole reason he banned them in the first place. I don't think this change really has any negative affects whatsoever except for the folks that were in those camps. I also don't see casino camps getting the boot anytime soon as gambling is perfectly legal in most countries and more in particular the SEC isn't as strict on those.

It has taken one decision from theymos to create a migration of several higher ranking member to at least one other crypto forum. They simply followed where the money went and to be honest most members here are here for the money too. Overall, I would assume he took that in to account before making the decision and would probably do it all over again even if he knew the outcome because he did not want mixers that do not use coinjoin advertised in the forum.

The barometer to gauge the real impact of migration to other forums will not necessarily come down to what happens here  because those migrating will keep posting here to earn whatever they can whilst they post over there to earn whatever they can, therefore though traffic should not decrease here but it will definitely increase there. As that (and other forums grow) this forum will not necessarily be the first place for crypto newbies to register.

If we have this conversation after on year, it will be interesting to see exactly how much the competitors to this forum have grown versus the rate at which this forum has grown.

Bitcointalk is not a company and a forum without traffic is not a forum, it is a relic or a ruin, like the Roman ruins that people visit, not a forum. If hypothetically tomorrow there will be no more traffic on the forum, it will surely continue to survive because it will not need money, but it will not be a forum, it will be a ruin.

Actually from what I've observed from that forum, it will be easier for spammers to rank up over there compared to Bitcointalk ranking up system. I kept watch of some accounts that were created some months after the announcement of the mixer ban, and just In a period of thirty days I noticed that they had already gotten to the full member rank. From my own idea, those spammers who found it difficult to rank up here on btt because of the merit system might flood that website and rank up faster joining signature campaigns but it's still very easy to know a good quality posters. So far most of the signature campaigns are picking good quality and high reputable members from Bitcointalk and altcoinstalk also. So even if they rush to rank up in a short period they still might not be selected in the paid campaigns.

Overtime, more advertisement campaigns will open up over there and it will create opportunity for members of BitcoinTalk to earn extra weekly. I see nothing wrong with that. The only thing that might be complicated here is the teleportation of account from btt. But I still see no effect it has to any users account here. The admin did that to make it easier for members who may be interested in moving over there. And instead of rushing to rank up which takes time, you just continue over there with your account from Bitcointalk.

A wise individual will not make the mistake of using same password on two different accounts. We should be security conscious of anything we don online. The security her on btt might be strong compared to altcoinstalk but we shouldn't take any chances.

Prior to the last couple weeks, the only times I had ever visited that forum was to look for clues about alt accounts. There's literally no reason for any guest visitors to go there. If I wanted to scroll through shitposts about altcoins, I'd just hop on over to Altcoin Discussion, leaving the forum is not required.

There's no reason for additional signature restrictions to be imposed because the services being advertised (gambling, exchanges) are either not shady or their industry predates bitcoin. So it's not like we are going to see lawmakers declaring more advertised bitcointalk services illegal.

With that being said, Altcoinstalks is just a bus for people who want to earn extra money doing mixer campaigns. It's traffic is nowhere near bitcointalk (While I cannot get the exact numbers because guests cannot see them, I can confidently tell you they are nowhere near Bitcointalk's 900k page views per day. They do have 3000 guests on average though. Bitcointalk does not say how many guests visit per day but with 900k page views, it is most likely much more than that).

The mixer payouts there are a bubble just like they were here. Except the average pay here went from $100 to 200/300 and then back down to 100.

Altcoinstalks went from 0 to 45 per week and there weren't any campaigns there before this year except for bounties. Now there are just mixer campaigns there and bounties. Even the DDoS sites which were banned here are not advertising over there. Meanwhile Cryptotalk which only existed for running campaigns is not even around anymore, and in any case made no more than  a few dollars/week.

If mixers become banned by law then the average payout over there goes back to zero as there will be no more campaigns left if mixers are banned there too. And it's not like Altcoinstalks admin is just going to stand by and let their forum get sanctioned or shuttered because of this.

This is not hate, it's just facts and data.

It's good for bitcointalkers who want to go earn extra money. But as long as bitcoin.org, twitter, publications, Nostr and all those other platforms are ignoring Altcoinstalks links, then traffic will not grow, and hence signature payments there will not grow.

Bitcointalk could ban all signatures tomorrow and the payout goes to 0.

But it wouldn't increase the payouts on Altcoinstalks at all for the reason I mentioned above - no traffic. A global signature ban will not increase Altcoinstalks traffic by guests. Only by +100 forum members who haven't teleported yet.

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That's because Bitcoin itself was not as big as it is now - 2010-2013 Bitcoin was much smaller than today.


Because the mixer industry is already big.


Guys, you are thinking a website will just blow up in popularity like Threads or ChatGPT because of signature campaigns? 3 years of SEO experience tells me that this is incorrect. Sig campaigns are for members, so the difference will only be in terms of members NOT guests who come here from other sites and don't even get signatures.

Bitcointalk after 13 years has gained a huge number of backlinks for it to lose organic traffic, as the domain and the website aged, the search engines are giving it a, especially for any search engine keywords queries if one writer writes an article and that's the only subject in the internet and if some also write that unique subject here in Bitcointalk it will beat the other site even if it is written a year ahead, what subject Bitcointalk tackles it always landed in the first page and that's where generic traffic happens, as long as you are in the first two pages of the keyword you get organic traffic.
Study shows that Searches never get past three pages in their queries.

The traffic of Bitcointalk don't only increased after the launch of signature campaign in 2011.
Mind you, Bitcoin is just 2years in 2011 and it's harr for an innovative digital monetary system to gain huge acknowledgment and that's what happened with this forum then. Another thing is that Bitcointalk backlink is more powerful than the forum in the subject and Bitcointalk it's also the number one in everything related with cryptocurrency if we're talking about forum.

As much as I am (on one hand) not happy that mixers advertising on this forum is now obsolete, and on the other hand understand that this decision was made by theymos for the longevity and greater good and safety of this forum, I would also say that..

- The mixer ban
- The migration to another forum

All are somehow a blessing to the other forum, and also a blessing (but maybe in disguise) to the users of this forum as well, since those who have teleported now have the opportunity of joining a campaign on both forums and earning on both.

But still on still, bitcointalk have lost nothing in terms of traffic and so, and like theymos have said, I do not think that there will be any ban or restrictions again any time soon, since the majority of advertisers on this forum have become gambling casinos, gambling itself is not illegal, the government is not against gambling, and casinos are a regulated business that is providing gambling services to gamblers, the chances that theymos will ever have any reason to ban gambling casinos from advertising on this forum, (which may likely affect the forum's traffic) is very slim.

So, for those who care, enjoy the opportunity of earning from both forums while you can  .

It is too early to talk about any effect, only 17 days have passed.


Honestly, there is quite a lack of quality discussions there. A fairly small number of members (mostly teleported from here) influence the quality of the conversation, and it is not easy to maintain continuity in writing meaningful posts. It's a good thing that the admin noticed an opportunity for the growth and improvement of the forum, so he works quite actively on it.


Mixer ban is theymos' decision, there is no question of regulation, they are still legal services. So just a rule of the forum, not global at all. I think that the Alttalk admin himself confirmed that he has no intention of banning mixers, at least until it is not punishable to talk about them at all.