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Topic: The Thai Baht (฿) has always been the most frequently used Bitcoin symbol right? - page 5. (Read 30401 times)

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Seems to work fine. I just copied a BTC from my broswer into an ANSI encoded text document and it autoresolved to "BTC".

When I copy the image into Emacs it just shows up as a B, webfonts and this forum's CSS only work where that additional configuration is set.
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Websites and websites, I want bitcoin symbol in my text files, dammit!

Yep.  I want it in my text files, my (plain text) email, my ODF docs and everywhere else.  I also don't want it broken by a GPG clear signature.
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I outlived my lifetime membership:)
My vote is for the Thai Baht. It's clean, elegant and standard.
This isn't a vote; B⃦ has been the standard symbol since the beginning, and there is no good reason to change that. This is just Atlas trying to turn Bitcoin into mere "Silk Road currency".

Except not every implementation of Unicode displays whatever symbol that is.
If they don't, it's a bug.
How long until implementations work for most people? 1 year, 5 years, a decade?
Depends on how long "most people" use broken stuff. It works in all the software I run, at least, excepting only Links.

I'm betting in 5 years it'll still be broken for about half of folks...
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B⃦ sucks extra hard for being 2 chars (we invented new problems for you!)
B⃦ is itself a single character, even if comprised of two codepoints.
It's also the same character the forum is using a webfont to render in BTC.
Using multiple codepoints for a single character is not new.

How many times do you need to see posts from others saying (and even showing) that it isn't displaying for the majority of people as it does for you?

Are you using UTF-16 instead of UTF-8?

Have you successfully rendered this symbol on a system using UTF-8?

Have you viewed this symbol on any system other than your own?

I'm guessing your answers will be: infinity, yes, no and no, respectively.


It isn't showing up for me on my computer or phone either.
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Ok, so now I know why it looks shitty on my and many other systems. The vertical strokes are in different places depending on the program I use. In my chromium browser they are too far right and in gedit they are in addition to far right too short.
Knowing it is actually a double-symbol makes me all the more favor any of the single-symbols that at least should look consistent on all systems that manage to display something:
฿ or Ƀ.

Absolutely agree.

The $ symbol being used for many many currencies should be reason enough to not have a problem recycling the Baht symbol for Bitcoin. Here in Chile they also use $ for Chilean Pesos.

Exactly, so many currency symbols are reused around the world that the arguments against using the baht symbol are basically along the lines of "we wish we had our own recognisable currency symbol."
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B⃦ sucks extra hard for being 2 chars (we invented new problems for you!)
B⃦ is itself a single character, even if comprised of two codepoints.
It's also the same character the forum is using a webfont to render in BTC.
Using multiple codepoints for a single character is not new.

How many times do you need to see posts from others saying (and even showing) that it isn't displaying for the majority of people as it does for you?
Such problems are irrelevant. I'm not suggesting changing anything.

Are you using UTF-16 instead of UTF-8?
No, I only use UTF-8.

Have you successfully rendered this symbol on a system using UTF-8?
Yep, in fact I'm pretty sure these forums use UTF-8 only.

Edit: Actually, looking at the source, I see the forum is choosing ISO-8859-1 encoding, which doesn't work with Unicode at all. This is likely the reason why many people are having technical problems.

Have you viewed this symbol on any system other than your own?
Yep, just pulled it up on a Mac I have lying around and it rendered fine in Lion/Safari.
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The only argument against using ฿ is that it is used for THB aleady.  On the other hand $ is already used for USD, CAD, AUD and NZD.  While ¥ is used for Yen and Yuan.  Currencies sharing symbols is nothing new, that's why we have three letter codes for them as well.

The $ symbol also is used in several countries that use a Peso variant as well.
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B⃦ sucks extra hard for being 2 chars (we invented new problems for you!)
B⃦ is itself a single character, even if comprised of two codepoints.
It's also the same character the forum is using a webfont to render in BTC.
Using multiple codepoints for a single character is not new.

How many times do you need to see posts from others saying (and even showing) that it isn't displaying for the majority of people as it does for you?

Are you using UTF-16 instead of UTF-8?

Have you successfully rendered this symbol on a system using UTF-8?

Have you viewed this symbol on any system other than your own?

I'm guessing your answers will be: infinity, yes, no and no, respectively.
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My vote is for the Thai Baht. It's clean, elegant and standard.
This isn't a vote; B⃦ has been the standard symbol since the beginning, and there is no good reason to change that. This is just Atlas trying to turn Bitcoin into mere "Silk Road currency".

Except not every implementation of Unicode displays whatever symbol that is.
If they don't, it's a bug.
How long until implementations work for most people? 1 year, 5 years, a decade?
Depends on how long "most people" use broken stuff. It works in all the software I run, at least, excepting only Links.
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I outlived my lifetime membership:)
My vote is for the Thai Baht. It's clean, elegant and standard.
This isn't a vote; B⃦ has been the standard symbol since the beginning, and there is no good reason to change that. This is just Atlas trying to turn Bitcoin into mere "Silk Road currency".

Except not every implementation of Unicode displays whatever symbol that is.
If they don't, it's a bug.

The problem is that you've opted for a UTF-16 character instead of a UTF-8 character.  UTF-8 is far more common and accessible.
B⃦ is standard UTF-8, it is not UTF-16.

Once again, I don't see any problem with using the baht symbol for Bitcoin and it has the added advantage of displaying correctly on a wide range of systems.
I'm not addressing whether baht is an acceptable replacement or not; just the reality that it isn't the current standard BTC symbol.

How long until implementations work for most people? 1 year, 5 years, a decade?
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My vote is for the Thai Baht. It's clean, elegant and standard.
This isn't a vote; B⃦ has been the standard symbol since the beginning, and there is no good reason to change that. This is just Atlas trying to turn Bitcoin into mere "Silk Road currency".

Except not every implementation of Unicode displays whatever symbol that is.
If they don't, it's a bug.

The problem is that you've opted for a UTF-16 character instead of a UTF-8 character.  UTF-8 is far more common and accessible.
B⃦ is standard UTF-8, it is not UTF-16.

Once again, I don't see any problem with using the baht symbol for Bitcoin and it has the added advantage of displaying correctly on a wide range of systems.
I'm not addressing whether baht is an acceptable replacement or not; just the reality that it isn't the current standard BTC symbol.
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More to the point, I can see the other symbols here just fine.  If B⃦ is supposed to be the best symbol, and I (and others) cannot see it properly on standard systems, perhaps it would be better to move to a different symbol that IS displayed properly on a standard system.
Images seem to be working fine until mainstream fonts are updated. Thankfully, we also have webfonts now. Smiley

Which is fine if everything you do is on the web, but not everything is and it should not have to be.
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Uh, guys... what am I missing here?



See, this is exactly the problem of selecting a UTF-16 symbol over a UTF-8 symbol.  If you're going to select a standard then go for the widest implementation of Unicode, which means UTF-8 and not UTF-16.
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My vote is for the Thai Baht. It's clean, elegant and standard.
This isn't a vote; B⃦ has been the standard symbol since the beginning, and there is no good reason to change that. This is just Atlas trying to turn Bitcoin into mere "Silk Road currency".

Except not every implementation of Unicode displays whatever symbol that is.

In Firefox 15 on OS X Leopard I see the letter B followed by "20E6" for a Unicode symbol that won't display (Combining Double Vertical Stroke Overlay).  In Emacs I see B followed by a different symbol (Both Firefox and Emacs are configured to use UTF-8 on my system).

The problem is that you've opted for a UTF-16 character instead of a UTF-8 character.  UTF-8 is far more common and accessible.  This is why, like shamoons, I argued in favour of using the Thai Baht symbol last year.

The only argument against using ฿ is that it is used for THB aleady.  On the other hand $ is already used for USD, CAD, AUD and NZD.  While ¥ is used for Yen and Yuan.  Currencies sharing symbols is nothing new, that's why we have three letter codes for them as well.

Once again, I don't see any problem with using the baht symbol for Bitcoin and it has the added advantage of displaying correctly on a wide range of systems.

This was debated in detail last year and my post in that thread (which included a couple of other suggestions in addition the the baht) is here.  My opinion in my first paragraph hasn't changed:  I think that the symbol ought to be an existing UTF-8 symbol so that it can be readily used on most systems or browsers and not require additional fonts to be installed.

BTW, there's a poll in that thread from last year which was resoundingly in favour of using the baht symbol.
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The B double vertical strokes is a Unicode symbol?  What is its code?  I can't find it on any list of Unicode symbols (maybe I'm not looking in the right place?).
Yep. Unicode defines symbols like this using "combining" characters (the "already combined" characters exist only for compatibility with legacy encodings such as Latin-1), so for B⃦ you do:This works to some extent for all possible combinations (apparently some people are getting blocks, though?).
From there, fonts can specialize with "ligatures" (renderings that represent a sequence of characters) - which is where things can definitely use improvement.
I see...so it will require two codes to generate...in time I suppose the implementation will catch up with the spec. I get Bbox on my iPad on iOS 6.
It renders correctly on my laptop...
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Is the "TC" supposed to actually be invisible? I see it as "B⃦TC"

Sounds like your browser is ignoring parts of my webfont, likely in violation of standards. Smiley

Anyone know how to fix this?
Ligatures would, and they would fix the copying problem too (hint, hint).
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Ƀ really doesn't look like a bad choice. I never liked the color scheme people advertise with it, but the symbol seems perfect.

I'm not against Ƀ neither. It's my preference. I'm just saying that even the $ sign would be fine with me if the majority here wishes to use it. I just don't like to not have an agreement that I can push on Wikipedia or other pages. I'm pretty sure that a consensus would rule out …

I like it too, and about the criticism that it looks almost like the number 8, maybe serifs should be added, like:

… custom solutions and symbols that just render badly on 50% of all computers.
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Ƀ really doesn't look like a bad choice. I never liked the color scheme people advertise with it, but the symbol seems perfect.

I like it too, and about the criticism that it looks almost like the number 8, maybe serifs should be added, like:

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Wow! Calm down! There are many contracts done in Dollar, Peso, Brazilian real, Nicaraguan córdoba, Tongan paʻanga,  Cape Verdean escudo,  Portuguese escudo and none of the involved countries ever got any of the others into legal trouble about the $ sign.
$ (disambiguation)

I'm not talking about countries getting into legal trouble... how does that even work? I mean "OMG you scammer, I obviously meant Nicaraguan córdoba!". Imagine people in Thailand start using BTC!

People in Thailand already use BTC.
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Wow! Calm down! There are many contracts done in Dollar, Peso, Brazilian real, Nicaraguan córdoba, Tongan paʻanga,  Cape Verdean escudo,  Portuguese escudo and none of the involved countries ever got any of the others into legal trouble about the $ sign.
$ (disambiguation)

I'm not talking about countries getting into legal trouble... how does that even work? I mean "OMG you scammer, I obviously meant Nicaraguan córdoba!". Imagine people in Thailand start using BTC!

We're not damned imposters of anything else. There's no reason to use that other than it looking "familiar", which I also find wrong for Bitcoin. It's a stupid choice, and it doesn't need a great analyst to see that.



Ƀ really doesn't look like a bad choice. I never liked the color scheme people advertise with it, but the symbol seems perfect.
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