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Quote from: TopTort777 on March 10, 2023, 04:07:02 AM

I think you have confused Volkanovski and Volkov Cheesy

If Volkanovski, a featherweight, would fight such heavyweight as Romanov, that would be hell of a show Cheesy

~66-70kg vs 120kg Cheesy

If Alex Volkov survive first round, Romanov would be without stamina till the end of the fight. Some people could say that Romanov, that has a wrestling base, would submit Volkov, that has a base of karate, I suggest you to re-watch Volkov vs Werdum fight. Werdum, as master of BJJ, did not manage to submit Alex during 16minutes. Tom Aspinall however managed to do that, but that is due to Volkov being slow. Volkov is tall, huge and slow.

My bad, I got the names mixed up. I was visualizing one person and naming him the other. Probably that wouldn't have happened to me, if both of them did not have the same first name though -_-

Anyway, I actually think that Volkov being so tall is actually going to work against him. Because he is going against a fighter who is really good with takedowns. I am not going to say that it is easy taking down a huge tower of a man like that. But at the same time, it is easy to lose balance when you are so tall. At the same time, the power of Volkov is unmatched. He can one-punch knockout almost anyone.
So this fight is going to be an interesting one to watch.

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Now I'm having second thoughts on my top ticket.. I put Harris on as I like him in this spot. I like him a lot actually. :/

We have the same picks except for a couple. Here's how my lottery ticket could now look like... I made a few changes as the lines changed and it's hard to get value at the top. Yan could be my pie shtter. Could change again after weigh ins.

Harris - Yan
Add: Ramos - Dumas - Aldrich
Add: Nurmagomedov - Spann
Add: Petrino - Williams - Gravely
Add: Volkov - Assuncao
Add: Nam

I left Bautista out as he really doesn't give value with where his line is at.

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Right, onto the predictions. It's a tough night, and I'm fancying quite a lot of the underdogs this time around, and because I won't be watching the event, my predictions will be a lot more risky, since I'm not betting.

Jared Gooden
Tyson Nam
Tony Gravely
JJ Aldrich
Mario Bautista
Sedriques Dumas
Davey Grant
Karl Williams
Vitor Petrino
Said Nurmagomedov
Ricardo Ramos
Ryan Spann
Alexandr Romanov
Petr Yan

I haven't got any massive favourites; Said I'm actually pretty worried despite his name, and reputation. Romanov I'm hoping gets the win, and Petr Yan always starts slow so he's a massive risk, even in a five rounder.

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Quote from: Marvell1 on March 09, 2023, 12:00:11 PM

Quote from: TopTort777 on March 09, 2023, 09:18:13 AM

Just hope that p4p rating, as it is created separately from UFC by overall opinion, after "return of Jon Jones" hype is over, will be revised. People waited for his return, people dreamed to see him again, people got that. I even think that if he would have lost, he would still be high in that rating Cheesy

Lets get back to incoming event. What do you think about Volkov vs Romanov fight. Volkov has a zebra record during last years. Romanov was 16-0, but lost his last fight, which a lot of people thought was a draw. Seems a cool fight on a paper, that is advices to watch.

Alexander Volkanovski is more experienced compared to Romanov. That is probably something which is going to give Alexander Volkanovski the advantage. This is a very well matched fight. And if anyone thinks that after me saying Alexander Volkanovski has a lot more experience he is a lot older as well, it is not true. Volkanovski is currently 34 years old and his opponent is 32.

I think you have confused Volkanovski and Volkov Cheesy

If Volkanovski, a featherweight, would fight such heavyweight as Romanov, that would be hell of a show Cheesy

~66-70kg vs 120kg Cheesy

If Alex Volkov survive first round, Romanov would be without stamina till the end of the fight. Some people could say that Romanov, that has a wrestling base, would submit Volkov, that has a base of karate, I suggest you to re-watch Volkov vs Werdum fight. Werdum, as master of BJJ, did not manage to submit Alex during 16minutes. Tom Aspinall however managed to do that, but that is due to Volkov being slow. Volkov is tall, huge and slow.

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Quote from: YuginKadoya on March 10, 2023, 01:57:22 AM

Maybe you are right, they could be rating along with the hype train for Jones and his return to the octagon, and with that 1 win against Ciryl Gane that was currently the number 1 in the heavyweight division people thought that he is the real GOAT, upon getting this number 1 in the P4P many are really upset and not really buying this kind of preposterous kind of things that the UFC is giving them,

That's just how it is when you are hated by the owner Dana White but you win the championship and as soon as someone who looks like doing something unbelievable, you are quickly replaced without even putting to second thought your hard work and sacrifices. That's why many already left their MMA league and pursue their pro career in other MMA competitions where they get enough acknowledgment and merits. It's not just about the money from now on, but the disrespect is so awful that they didn't even consider giving a few months for Islam to wear that title and he strips him just like that.

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Quote from: eaLiTy on March 09, 2023, 01:02:42 PM

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Lets wait for Jones to make his first heavyweight title defence and make a conclusion if he really is the greatest or not Cheesy

So far it looked like it was an easy win for him. Stipe Miocic promised to smash Jones. Hope we wont have to wait years before Jones fights again. Who else we have among heavyweights ? Pavlovich ? Imho that is going to be copy/paste fight against Gane. Imho a wrestler is needed to win, a wrestler that will counter Jones wrestling, the one who will be able to throw bombs.

Jon Jones does not need to fight again to cement his place as the greatest fighter in history, just look at his fighting career and he basically took on undefeated fighters throughout his career and even Jon Jones promised to stop Stipe Miocic before the championship rounds and with Stipe at 40 years and not fighting for the past two years, it will be a challenge for him against Jon Jones.

No doubt that Jones cement his place in UFC history, but hard to say he is currently best fighter in UFC. Not every fighters, that is in UFC hall of fame was on p4p first place. For example Ronda Rousey, that probably introduced the world women MMA or at least was the first chick that brought women mma to a next level, is a member of UFC hall of fame, but never was in women p4p. There were even no p4p rating for women during her prime

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Quote from: TopTort777 on March 09, 2023, 07:31:58 AM

Funny how about few weeks ago top2 p4p beat top1 p4p and now is on third place Cheesy

All this UFC rankings doesn't make any sense.
Jon Jones was not fighting for years, now he won in one fight and he jumped on first place Sad

Many people are saying that he used drugs in his previous fights and I am sure he used steroids in last few years to get more muscle mass.
Jones is a good fighter despite all this, but he cheated before and I am just waiting for someone to accuse him again.

I'm not an expert in fights (in fact, I don't even understand anything about fighting styles) and I'm not an expert in UFC either, I'm a newbie, but for the short time I've been following the ufc it seems to me that this ranking is based more on what the what fighter can bring to the ufc how he can benefit the ufc in terms of audience, I know that the fighter needs to be a strong guy to be at the top, but the criteria they use to assign these rankings seems to me that they analyze to what extent to give a high position to a certain fighter will be advantageous for the ufc itself

a good example of this is the case of c who didn't fight for years but the guy was already very strong and an image was created of being a guy who takes down anyone, even in this fight the comments i heard on youtube and that he wouldn't lose against ciryl gane, I believe that the UFC marketing guys, even before the fight against ciryl gane, must have immediately thought about the benefit of having Jon Jones at the top, and now all attention is focused on Jon Jones and the advantages of the next fights

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Quote from: TopTort777 on March 09, 2023, 07:31:58 AM

Funny how about few weeks ago top2 p4p beat top1 p4p and now is on third place Cheesy

I would be honest, I dont like Jon Jones because of his dirty fighting style. I dont like to see him on the first place. The guy was epsent for nearly three years, submitted a guy who is really bad at wrestling and instantly became best pound for pound fighter. He is just a good wrestler. But to avoid being not objective, I would better say that he is good wrestler, decent striker with perfect anthroponymy.

These two probably think that the UFC has scammed them, they have done a lot to surely get to the ranking that they deserve and that was with hard work but Jon Jones with just 1 fight now become the P4P number one even though Ciryl Gane isn't near the top, and eventually, Jon Jones beating Gane suddenly taken the pound-4-pound throne, I think many were pretty much confused about how UFC is ranking this even though they are a fan of Jon Jones or not it really shocking after the Islam Makhachev VS Alexander Volkonovski fight Makhachev also thought that he was in the number 1 spot but all of a sudden a 3 years absent inside the Octagon Jon Jones got a title fight and become the number 1 I think the UFC needs to explained this it is pretty much confusing actually,

Quote from: TopTort777 on March 09, 2023, 09:18:13 AM

Just hope that p4p rating, as it is created separately from UFC by overall opinion, after "return of Jon Jones" hype is over, will be revised. People waited for his return, people dreamed to see him again, people got that. I even think that if he would have lost, he would still be high in that rating Cheesy

Lets get back to incoming event. What do you think about Volkov vs Romanov fight. Volkov has a zebra record during last years. Romanov was 16-0, but lost his last fight, which a lot of people thought was a draw. Seems a cool fight on a paper, that is advices to watch.

Maybe you are right, they could be rating along with the hype train for Jones and his return to the octagon, and with that 1 win against Ciryl Gane that was currently the number 1 in the heavyweight division people thought that he is the real GOAT, upon getting this number 1 in the P4P many are really upset and not really buying this kind of preposterous kind of things that the UFC is giving them,

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The pound for pound title is probably the most subjective title going, so I wouldn't read into it too much. However, I would say that Jon Jones is one of the most talented fighters to have ever competed inside the UFC. So, I can see why we would be in the running for pound for pound. However, I always feel weird giving heavyweights that title due to the fact they have some of the physical advantages that other weight classes don't.

Anyway, I'll get my predictions out tomorrow of the next event, since I don't think I'll be watching this one, as I've got other things planned.

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Quote from: TopTort777 on March 09, 2023, 07:31:58 AM

Funny how about few weeks ago top2 p4p beat top1 p4p and now is on third place Cheesy

All this UFC rankings doesn't make any sense.
Jon Jones was not fighting for years, now he won in one fight and he jumped on first place Sad

Many people are saying that he used drugs in his previous fights and I am sure he used steroids in last few years to get more muscle mass.
Jones is a good fighter despite all this, but he cheated before and I am just waiting for someone to accuse him again.

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Quote from: eaLiTy on March 09, 2023, 01:02:42 PM

Jon Jones does not need to fight again to cement his place as the greatest fighter in history, just look at his fighting career and he basically took on undefeated fighters throughout his career and even Jon Jones promised to stop Stipe Miocic before the championship rounds and with Stipe at 40 years and not fighting for the past two years, it will be a challenge for him against Jon Jones.

Jon Jones hit the top pound for pound ranking after finishing one fight, I was very surprised to find out the latest pound for pound list updates have been updated and it's hard to replace his position unless a fighter can clear him in his next fight, but I'm not sure for Stipe Miocic as he doesn't has the better fighting history than Jon Bones, he lost the heavyweight belt to Francis in his last fight, so Stipe's return won't change anything and if Jon Bones wins again in his next fight then the top pound for pound list position for Jon Jones is undefeated.

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Quote from: YuginKadoya on March 08, 2023, 04:14:08 AM

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he also said in the press conference that he was angry with himself,

Gane might be angry that Jon Jones exposed him completely and the rest of the fighters will be following the same path to victory against him Cheesy

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Quote from: TopTort777 on March 08, 2023, 06:58:45 AM

Lets wait for Jones to make his first heavyweight title defence and make a conclusion if he really is the greatest or not Cheesy

So far it looked like it was an easy win for him. Stipe Miocic promised to smash Jones. Hope we wont have to wait years before Jones fights again. Who else we have among heavyweights ? Pavlovich ? Imho that is going to be copy/paste fight against Gane. Imho a wrestler is needed to win, a wrestler that will counter Jones wrestling, the one who will be able to throw bombs.

Jon Jones does not need to fight again to cement his place as the greatest fighter in history, just look at his fighting career and he basically took on undefeated fighters throughout his career and even Jon Jones promised to stop Stipe Miocic before the championship rounds and with Stipe at 40 years and not fighting for the past two years, it will be a challenge for him against Jon Jones.

Quote from: Apocollapse on March 08, 2023, 07:53:46 AM

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No offense for this, but does Jon Jones is deserved to become top 1 P4P in men's UFC? he was at 10th position and only fight once time with the best fighter in heavyweight, now he's beat Makhachev which previously have beat Volkanovski. From my personal opinion, Makhachev should be on top 1, Volkanovski top 2 and then followed with Jones to be in top 3.

Jon Jones is basically undefeated in the UFC for the past decade fighting against the best, 15 title fights and he is regarded as the best ever to do that and he is the epitome of pound of pound best.

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Quote from: TopTort777 on March 09, 2023, 09:18:13 AM

Just hope that p4p rating, as it is created separately from UFC by overall opinion, after "return of Jon Jones" hype is over, will be revised. People waited for his return, people dreamed to see him again, people got that. I even think that if he would have lost, he would still be high in that rating Cheesy

Lets get back to incoming event. What do you think about Volkov vs Romanov fight. Volkov has a zebra record during last years. Romanov was 16-0, but lost his last fight, which a lot of people thought was a draw. Seems a cool fight on a paper, that is advices to watch.

Alexander Volkanovski is more experienced compared to Romanov. That is probably something which is going to give Alexander Volkanovski the advantage. This is a very well matched fight. And if anyone thinks that after me saying Alexander Volkanovski has a lot more experience he is a lot older as well, it is not true. Volkanovski is currently 34 years old and his opponent is 32.

If we talk about the ranking of P4P fighters, I think this is just happening because of the hype of John Jones. After the hype goes away there will be big changes in the ranking.

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Just hope that p4p rating, as it is created separately from UFC by overall opinion, after "return of Jon Jones" hype is over, will be revised. People waited for his return, people dreamed to see him again, people got that. I even think that if he would have lost, he would still be high in that rating Cheesy

Lets get back to incoming event. What do you think about Volkov vs Romanov fight. Volkov has a zebra record during last years. Romanov was 16-0, but lost his last fight, which a lot of people thought was a draw. Seems a cool fight on a paper, that is advices to watch.

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Quote from: TopTort777 on March 09, 2023, 07:31:58 AM

Funny how about few weeks ago top2 p4p beat top1 p4p and now is on third place Cheesy

I would be honest, I dont like Jon Jones because of his dirty fighting style. I dont like to see him on the first place. The guy was epsent for nearly three years, submitted a guy who is really bad at wrestling and instantly became best pound for pound fighter. He is just a good wrestler. But to avoid being not objective, I would better say that he is good wrestler, decent striker with perfect anthroponymy.

Yes, this is really a little discouraging, especially considering that Jones has not fought for three years. But why should we judge specialists who deal with ratings, they can see better how to do it right.

As a fighter, I like Jones, he walks in the ring like a tiger, a very confident fighter, but I don’t like his human qualities, the story when he got into a car accident, and ran away, marijuana found in car, and there was a pregnant girl in the car he crashed into, this too cowardly, but now is not about that.

He is a good fighter, but to see him number one in the ranking after a three-year break is really too strange.

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Quote from: Apocollapse on March 08, 2023, 07:53:46 AM

No offense for this, but does Jon Jones is deserved to become top 1 P4P in men's UFC? he was at 10th position and only fight once time with the best fighter in heavyweight, now he's beat Makhachev which previously have beat Volkanovski. From my personal opinion, Makhachev should be on top 1, Volkanovski top 2 and then followed with Jones to be in top 3.

Who knows... I guess every fighter in his weight class has to challenge him now as the greatest P4P tag makes it more enticing for each challenger. As for me, who cares about the P4P rankings. I just want to watch these guys throw leather and try to won some money from my lottery tickets.

And I noticed there were parlays that had more than 5 legs each that almost hit. I'll show how I make my tickets in my next parlay and see if you guys like the structure better. It's a bit safer as you put your most confident picks at the top as a break even ticket then add the bottom ones with your less confident picks.

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Quote from: Apocollapse on March 08, 2023, 07:53:46 AM

No offense for this, but does Jon Jones is deserved to become top 1 P4P in men's UFC? he was at 10th position and only fight once time with the best fighter in heavyweight, now he's beat Makhachev which previously have beat Volkanovski. From my personal opinion, Makhachev should be on top 1, Volkanovski top 2 and then followed with Jones to be in top 3.

Funny how about few weeks ago top2 p4p beat top1 p4p and now is on third place Cheesy

I would be honest, I dont like Jon Jones because of his dirty fighting style. I dont like to see him on the first place. The guy was epsent for nearly three years, submitted a guy who is really bad at wrestling and instantly became best pound for pound fighter. He is just a good wrestler. But to avoid being not objective, I would better say that he is good wrestler, decent striker with perfect anthroponymy.

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Quote from: Apocollapse on March 08, 2023, 07:53:46 AM

No offense for this, but does Jon Jones is deserved to become top 1 P4P in men's UFC? he was at 10th position and only fight once time with the best fighter in heavyweight, now he's beat Makhachev which previously have beat Volkanovski. From my personal opinion, Makhachev should be on top 1, Volkanovski top 2 and then followed with Jones to be in top 3.

I'd even consider Leon Edwards and Usman at the 3rd and 4th rank of the pound-for-pound rankings. These guys paved their way to becoming champions it's not like they did it with just one fight.
I have no idea how they calculate these rankings but I think it is website basis as they are prone to biased speculations after the hype on Jones winning the fight.
I disagree with it, there must be another platform that won't look at the "one fight rank 1" idea. It is not strong proof yet.

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Quote from: Inwestour on March 07, 2023, 07:06:10 AM

To counter Jones, you need to be a versatile fighter, this became the main problem for Gane. I don't want to offend any of the fighters but Gane disappointed me, there was such a hype around this fight, but in the end it all ended very quickly, even too quickly.

I wasn't able to watch this fight till this second and wasn't visiting this thread or any website that would spoil me. I just watched it on ESPN+ and I'm hugely disappointed too. There was a big hype around this fight and it ended immediately, we haven't seen any action, anything interesting other than Jon Jones immediately and easily choking Gane.

Quote from: Apocollapse on March 08, 2023, 07:53:46 AM

No offense for this, but does Jon Jones is deserved to become top 1 P4P in men's UFC? he was at 10th position and only fight once time with the best fighter in heavyweight, now he's beat Makhachev which previously have beat Volkanovski. From my personal opinion, Makhachev should be on top 1, Volkanovski top 2 and then followed with Jones to be in top 3.

Generally, UFC ranking doesn't make sense. I think that their marketing team ranks their fighters Cheesy

Quote from: notblox1 on March 08, 2023, 05:34:17 PM

Daniel Cormier and other fighters will never consider Jon Jones a GOAT because he failed drug tests many times, and I agree with that.

Definitely, he likes performance enhancers.
I don't know if you have seen this podcast but is a must to see Cheesy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cuTDjayCPyU

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Petr Yan actually is doing the same - he is (or probably was) in Thailand, training in Tiger Muay Thai. That is Petrs problem, he is to confident in himself, he gets same camps. That is why he looses by split decisions. Thanks to his skills two last fights were split decisions instead of unanimous. I think he is surrounded by wrong guys partially. He should try changing his fight plan instead of relying much on striking only. Aljo read him like a book with that in their second find and was controlling him smiling. Merab is going to do the same. If Petr wants to win, he should rush from the beginning, stop his usual slow start and increased tempo, otherwise Merab would win because he would take first two rounds, show some control during third round and win. P.S. Will it be 3 or 5 round fight ?

Coming from 2 consecutive losses Petr Yan is in a must-win situation, and he can not lose 3 matches in a row right now so this is really getting into him he may be questioning himself why did he lose to Aljamain Sterling and why he lose agaisnt Sean O'Malley, while Merab Dvalishvili is coming from a great win agaisnt the Legend Jose Aldo, for me, Merab Dvalishvili has a good position in winning this even though Petr Yan is pretty badly needing to win in this fight I think all the pressure is all on Petr Yan's shoulder so I am really doubting if he can really take on that heat,

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Gane is good on the stand, but it's definitely not enough to beat Jones. From the very beginning, it was clear how Jones fearlessly goes to him, this guy has enough confidence. As a fighter, Jones is very good, but how stable is he, how long will he last until he again gets into some kind of story with illegal drugs, or something else?

If only Ciryl Gane keep the pressure with the stand-up fight he could get a chance and might get Jon Jones clueless and think of ways how he can escape that pressure, but at the start of the fight Ciryl Gane was more than pressured enough to execute anything it was always a punch goes back and it was extremely backing down that the distance was very far away that he can not make a follow-up, Jon Jones even punch him hard that creates an opening for Gane to strike but surely he doesn't take it, it was really an utterly lose but Ciryl Gane still have another chance,

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