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Heard some words swirling around that Adesanya trained a lot in wrestling coming into the event.  I'm not sure if it's a wise move as Pereira is a huge heavy guy.  Adesanya will prolly gas himself out early if he tries to take Pereira down but won't take him on the ground.  He could use the wrestling late in the match tho and avoid having the R5 moment of the first fight happening again.  Lol.

Weigh in vid and weigh in results below...  Enjoy.

UFC 287:  Ceremonial Weigh In
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVFhVV2DNyc

Champ Alex Pereira (185) vs Israel Adesanya (184.5) – for middleweight title
Gilbert Burns (170) vs Jorge Masvidal (171)
Rob Font (135) vs Adrian Yanez (135.5)
Kevin Holland (170.5) vs Santiago Ponzinibbio (171)
Christian Rodriguez (137)* vs Raul Rosas Jr. (135)
Kelvin Gastelum (185) vs Chris Curtis (186)
Luana Pinheiro (115.5) vs Michelle Waterson-Gomez (116)
Chase Sherman (249.5) vs Karl Williams (241)
Gerald Meerschaert (185.5) vs Joe Pyfer (185.5)
Cynthia Calvillo (116) vs Loopy Godinez (115.5)
Ignacio Bahamondes (159.5) vs Trey Ogden (159.5)
Steve Garcia (145.5) vs Shayilan Nuerdanbieke (146)
Jaqueline Amorim (115.5) vs Sam Hughes (116)

Look at that Curve actually I really love the Asian kind of gal and Michelle Waterson has the beauty and the body you can not look around for someone at all, well thanks for sharing this and this picture was really Hot! You will never be going to make mistakes about her, but I really wish she wins this fight it is really unpredictable Luana Pinheiro might have a decent record, and got that submission moves that likely weakness to strikers but Waterson still has those grappling hold as well that is why this fight will be unpredictable, but I got my pick on the Karate Hottie if she can block those locks and make the ground her game she can surely win this,


Good Analysis I think I will look at my picks again if I got them correctly upon reading your thoughts I realize 1 thing Ponzinibbio is a great striker as well and Holland could have a hard time on him, and yeah this is a close fight for sure, but if Kevin Holland can show a different game inside the ring maybe he can have a war with Ponzinibbio but it is likely a close match, While Raul Rosas Jr. is a decent young athlete even though the odd is on him he can not underestimate Christian Rodriguez but I got my trust on Rosas on this fight,


We got almost the same full picks Except for Michelle Waterson and it is really crazy there are so many fights that are in here that I want to topic but yeah Izzy is going to be aggressive in this fight so I am worried as well he might get too aggressive that he might be more open to Alex Pereira's strikes that is what I am scared about this, and Alex Pereira likes that he likes Izzy to be constantly shooting those jabs, but I know he surely got his trump card for this,

I think this is first or rare case when we see Izzy so concentrated or worried about the fight. Previously he always tried to taunt his opponents, make laught of them, get in their head. Now he is very focused.

I am more interested in Burns vs Masvidal fight (because I have placed a bet lol ). Masvidal has been in fighting for like 15 years already. His isnt as strong as used to be. Burns might get him in exchange. How ever Masvidal is good at wrestling also. Usman did not really control him on the ground. Masvidal has huge tank. Covington did not look superior with his unlimited stamina. And Burns isnt good at defending from strikes. He prefer to eat punch and counter rather than avoid damage.

Once again, I'm worried for Izzy. However, I do think the pressure is largely off. He's already lost his belt, and now it's all about proving it to himself. He's definitely the better fighter in terms of technical fighting, but he seems to not be able to avoid the power of Alex Pereira. Honestly, odds of 1.70 for Izzy are nice, and the decision win for him is even nicer. So, I might put that on my betting slip just for fun, as I can see that happening. I don't see Izzy knocking out Alex, even though in the most recent fight he did stun Alex.

The thing is, I worry when Alex gets close, and closes the distance. As soon as he did that, Izzy was worried, and it only took a few seconds to get him out of there as soon as he managed to close the distance. I'm wondering whether Izzy has learned from that, and will put on more of a hit, and move sort of fight style this time around.

Here's my predictions:

Israel Adesanya by decision
Gilbert Burns by which ever way he wants
Adrian Yanez
Kevin Holland
Raul Rosas Jr.
Chris Curtis
Luana Pinheiro
Gerald Meerschaert
Lupita Godinez
Ignacio Bahamondes
Shayilan Nuerdanbieke
Jaqueline Amorim

I am indeed excited and curious about what may happen with this fight but here are my prediction and pick for the upcoming fight for the UFC 287

Alex Pereira (+115) VS Israel Adesanya (-135)

For me, this is one of the most awaited fights in this event, and no wonder because these two have a history in their kickboxing career, Where Alex Pereira won those two matches, and history has repeated itself in the MMA rules where Alex Pereira Knocks out Adesanya in what I see Alex Pereira is forcing Adesanya to keep the pace and just aggressively following Adesanya when Adesanya decided to back up this really force Adesanya to always throw a jab, but I think Adesanya's game plan this time is going to be wrestling and he going to drown Alex in his wrestling game, so I would go with Israel Adesanya,
 
Gilbert Burns (-475) VS Jorge Masvidal (+350)

Now, I don't really know Masvidal's style going to Burns for me Gilbert Burns is like a wall if Jorge Masvidal goes to him he would likely get hurt that is what I see well because Jorge Masvidal's age and focus and because he said he would likely retire when he losses in this match, that is why I don't see Masvidal getting focus with their fight, but Masvidal can likely win this if he is still younger because he got a decent takedown defense, but for me, I will go with Gilbert Burns.

Kevin Holland (-260) VS Santiago Ponzinibbio (+210)

This is one great match to watch in my opinion this will be one of the best striking matches to watch because both fighters are knockout artists, but I can see Holland as a great technical striker than Ponzinibbio, for sure that is why this could be a good fight to watch but maybe Holland can mixed up his attack to Santiago, so my pick is Kevin Holland,

Raul Rosas Jr. (-260) VS Christian Rodriguez (+210)

Now, this 18-year-old is surely the favorite and he is still going to be great going forward and getting his age mature, surely Raul Rosas Jr. is one of that kids that has a bright future in the MMA even though if he losses a fight he will just return for more and even stronger than before, for me Raul Rosas Jr. is a great grappler so man Christian Rodriguez might get a chance on 1st but Rosas will surely get on this one and will find a way to capitalized on Rodriguez,

He did not take it on another level, I reckon. If he really wanted to take it on another level, he would walk like a dog and ask his coach put a chain attached to his dog collar to walk him to the stage and bark at uncle Dana and everyone hehehehe. However, I agree with you. I am also with team Izzy.

@YuginKadoya. We have another sexy fighting kitten.


Karate Hottie Michelle Waterson

I think this is the VIDEO where after the fight of Tyson Fury to Dillian Whyte, Fury then calls out Francis Ngannou that is also on top of the ring and there they have said that they are going to fight in a special match and Ngannou have talked about the UFC gloves that will likely be using, but because of lack of promotion this fight is not yet secured to happen, I Francis Ngannou should search a great promoter on his team, because time is of the essence and Francis Ngannou needs to do something about his abssence in the sports of figting because surely his fans will surely forget abut him,


For me, Adesanya will win this no matter what if Israel Adesanya will likely lose this 1 well this loss will likely shake Adesanya in his core, it is for sure, and will likely retire in his passion, and Alex Pereira will likely become Izzy's Boogey Man Forever,

And yes if he losses this he will surely become full-time to his youtube channel and could likely be setting up a new career for him or maybe cooking with Adesanya title of a program, will be great,

No he wont retire if he loses this fight, he is only 33 years old and he still has few tricks left in his sleeve.
Worst case scenario he could take a break put some weight, more training and he could try to go up in higher division again.
I don't think any other fighter except Pereira could beat Adesanya in Middleweight category.



This guys looked very serious at faceoff!

Best bet for me in this fight is that fight will go to distance, with decent odds:
https://sportsbet.io/sports/event/mma/ufc/ufc-287-pereira-vs-adesanya-2/pereira-alex-vs-adesanya-israel-63d5ca45f97191696d82b3db

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I feel like Izzy will win. He showed up with a dog collar, did you see that? I think he took it on another level when he said: I’m a dog, it’s a dog collar and I’m about to be unleashed. Izzy had much greater fights, taughter opponents, gained more experience. Also, I think there is too much pressure on Izzy right now, he has no other option but to win. He already exaggerated this pressure when he came with Dog Collar. If he loses, then Alex's fans will call him a puppy dog. I can't imagine how extremely he will be bullied if he loses this fight because he associated himself with dog that wears a collar. He has no other way but just to win, he cut every other way!

So, I bet on Israel Adesanya.

He did some of that cooking stuff that is posted on social media. A career that's very far from combat, I can only think he will be moving on to boxing after all few of these MMA fighters are now trying boxing. He could try the Logan brothers, he could be winning millions still with boxing.

This 2nd fight is already giving doubts to UFC fans if he still got it. His nemesis followed him from kickboxing to MMA and maybe if he couldn't win in MMA, it's possible in boxing.

Hey! I completely grasp your unease regarding Adesanya's UFC destiny. A second loss might shake any fighter, especially one as gifted as Adesanya. But wait, let's avoid hasty assumptions. Perhaps he'll stun us with an unexpected comeback, even stronger after defeat.

Alternatively, he might opt for a dignified exit and pivot to full-time meme production or food blogging, celebrating his passion for carbohydrates. Picture "Adesanya's Starch Extravaganza," a cooking show where he reveals carb-laden dishes to his followers. Pancakes, pasta, and pizza prepared with UFC gloves on—what a sight!  

No matter Adesanya's choice, his impact on MMA is undeniable. A rising legend, we ought to cherish his prowess while he's active. So, let's unwind and relish Saturday's spectacle. Who can predict whether we'll witness meme inception or the debut of a carb-rich creation?

A promoter should be willing to promote the fight and a sanctioning body should license the fight to take place, if not exhibition bouts is the only way and the main purpose for conducting these huge fights is to earn the revenue and there is a limit on how much they can earn by conducting an exhibition bout.

Tyson Fury said, he is willing to compete in boxing with Francis Ngannou with MMA gloves, which is obviously an exhibition bout. No kicks or wrestling, pure boxing with small gloves.

Last year, One FC conducted a mixed rules (4 three minute rounds alternating between Muay Thai and MMA rules) bout with Demetrious Johnson and Rodtang, who is a Muay Thai legend. First round was Muay Thai and second round was MMA rules and Demetrious Johnson survived the first round and in the second round he took Rodtang down and finished the fight.

It is hard to quantify how anyone would take a brutal leg kick but elite specialist in one discipline and with basic ground game can go a long way in MMA. In the case of Vasiliy Lomachenko, he is an elite level boxer with crisp movements and even a specialist boxer who spent their lifetime boxing cannot quantify the movement and speed of Vasiliy Lomachenko, just image how a mixed martial artist who spends time to learn multiple fight techniques and not concentrate on one aspect would be able to handle them and on top of that, Lomachenko is an elite ground fighter with Sambo Judo and Wrestling, so he is a perfect fit to transition if he ever wants to in a hypothetical situation.


Purely financial motive and most of the MMA fighters that transitions to boxing, either does not have the ability to practice other discipline due to age or injury and hence moving to boxing to find revenue. The discipline of boxing is one aspect of the fight game in MMA and for a boxer to learn how to kick and grapple or basic wrestling defense would take years grasp and hence the transition from boxing to MMA is rare, because any MMA fighter could easily take the boxer down and submit without much struggle.

If he looses again, he needs to wait for Alex Pereira to fight against a wrestler and he will be back on track to regain the title .  


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Khabib Nurmagomedov is right about getting your English right and yeah Islam Makhachev may have a difficult time speaking straight Alex Pereira surely has a long way to learning his English, but surely many fans want their champion to speak fluent English even though Manny Pacquaio isn't really that Fluent at least he is trying his best in making efforts in learning,

Well, Alex Pereira should get Paulo Costa's way of speaking to his fans and to his bashers, 


We all know the outcome of this if Boxers would go straight to the octagon MMA will surely win not until boxers will have the training to counter those wrestling, and kicks that they don't have with boxing, if you see what One Championship have done with their 10th years anniversary the ONE X they throw down a mixed rules records were fighters will have Four three-minute rounds alternating between Muay Thai and MMA rules, and that fight was between Demetrious Johnson against Rodtang Jitmuangnon pretty much Mighty Mouse survive the Muay Thai round match and when the MMA rules come up he defeated the nasty Rodtang Jitmuangnon, with a Technical Submission rear-naked choke, this will be the fate of boxers that will fight inside the octagon without proper MMA knowledge and training,

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Now here are my full picks for the UFC 287 and their stake odds,

MAIN EVENT

Alex Pereira (2.18) VS Israel Adesanya (1.78) - Betting for Adesanya

CO-MAIN EVENT

Gilbert Burns (1.24) VS Jorge Masvidal (4.70) - Not Betting

MAIN CARD

Rob Font (2.60) VS Adrian Yanez (1.56) - Betting for Yanez
Kevin Holland (1.43) VS Santiago Ponzinibbio (3.10) - Not Betting
Raul Rosas Jr. (1.43) VS Christian Rodriguez (3.10) - Betting for Rosas

PRELIMINARY CARD

Kelvin Gastelum (1.81) VS Chris Curtis (2.14) - Not Betting
Michelle Waterson-Gomez (2.45) VS Luana Pinheiro (1.63) - Not Betting
Gerald Meerschaert (2.65) VS Joseph Pyfer (1.55) - Not Betting
Karl Williams (1.25) VS Chase Sherman (4.50) - Not Betting
Cynthia Calvillo (3.45) VS Lupita Godinez (1.37) - Not Betting
Trey Ogden (3.90) VS Ignacio Bahamondes (1.31) - Not Betting
Steve Garcia (2.65) VS Shayilan Nuerdanbieke (1.55) - Not Betting
Sam Hughes (3.25) VS Jaqueline Amorim (1.41) - Not Betting

I do.
That's why I hate to see him lose this fight against Pereira. I want him to win because there's a chance he might retire. The other option is to go to a higher-weight class because he got it on his height. He just needs more carbo and he will be suitable there. He is 33 years, he has all the reasons to retire after he reigned in the middleweight class. The mental effect can also be one good reason to hang his gloves.

He wins this fight on Saturday, he keeps on fighting, and he loses again after having the title back, he will still keep on fighting.
He said, "I am going to give all I've got." That means a lot of things like there's nothing more he can offer afterward if he loses again.

I would not agree with you on it. I think Izzy has a chance and in my mind it's 50/50. If Izzy can drag him down and do a bit of wrestling in first round I think Pereira will go out of gas in later rounds. And this is likely to happen same like landing some big shot from Pereira. Cause of that I think it's 50/50.

Yeah sure...  But I wonder how they'd handle kicks to the legs.  :/  Especially those Gaethje style leg kicks.  I don't think they'd be able to handle a couple of rounds of those.  There's also the grappling aspect.

That's why I hate MMA fighters try and make transition into boxing and get ridiculed if they lost.  It's mostly just a dog and pony show.  Why don't the best in boxing get into MMA.

Anyway, does anybody else think Adesanya is gonna retire if he loses again?

Pereira has a very strong determination and a stamina to support it. He kept his strengths in their last fight, allowed Adesanya to have his feel and exhaust himself before he went all out and won the fight. He can do it again, unless Adesanya keeps the fight leveled without burning out before the last two rounds. Pereira has a strategy to beat Adesanya even though he is less experienced, it worked the first time and I believe he must have perfected it. Pereira will win again and silence Israel Adesanya once and for all.

Adesanya was always cautious, he preferred to wait for the right moment and his anthropometry allowed him to have an advantage in his strategy. I don't know if it's possible to say that Pereira knows exactly what he will do, because Adesanya will also want to change something in his strategy so as not to be too predictable for the opponent.

Perhaps Adesanya will have to act at some point in an unusual manner for him in order to count on a confident victory, and not hope for positive decisions from the judges, if it comes to that. Pereira will go forward, I have no doubt about it, he feels very confident against Adesanya, he knows on a subconscious level that he has defeated this opponent many times.

Some asian promotions in past have special MMA rules - ground game and submitting can be done only starting from round two. But during round one, fighters were allowed to do throws and standing wrestle. This was made specially, to make fight more exciting and last longer, because in past not many fighters managed and knew how to escape kneebars and achilles locks. (I am speaking about 90s era, when Pride, Pancrase and etc promotions were on top).

I dont know if this is true and they can always have mixed rules that would be between boxing and MMA.
Tyson Fury said in public that he wants to fight with Francis Ngannou and that he would accept something like that.
I really want to see this fight happening and it can be with any rules they want