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Where is Welsh? He was always Izzy fan and might know something we dont know about him Grin

I believe it will be hard to take belt from DDP. As well as I dont see many people who could give him a good fight. Lets suppose DDP wins (because it will be boring if Izzy wins, who he will fight against? All division for the second or third time?), who should he fight next?

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Quote from: tokeweed on August 15, 2024, 06:27:34 AM

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The reason why bookies see Izzy as a favorite imho is because they take into considerstion his past achievements more than his shape and mental preparation. I think you have forgotten how boring Izzy became when he got belt for first time. You can say this is because he was more cautious, but he defended the belt by UD, but not by total dominance and knocking out. Imho he did not want to risk, get his paycheck and chill. Isnt motivated to win. Imho he isnt motivated much to get belt back and clear whole division again.

Yeah but if you really look into his past performances, he wasn't really knocking guys out or having an optically dominant performances except for the first match up vs Whittaker, the one vs Costa and the Pereira one when he played possum. But most of his match ups were boring and low volume.

I guess it will depend on the line. If either DDP or Adesanya goes to 2.35 and up, it's prolly a value bet. But still dunno... A part of me wants to see Adesanya KO's DDP.

Izzy is only interested in a stand up fight which he thinks he has the advantage and it must be true. He will prevent Dricus from taking him down or get closer to him. Its a fair odds I think especially Izzy has been away for a long time but considering what he could do in the cage, 1.87 in his favor is good already.
According to few analyst there will be a KO in this fight, both of them are just eager to prove and they hate each other.

Adesanya calling UFC about their treatment to Ngannou, I think will make him another Dana's enemy in the future though.

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Quote from: TopTort777 on August 14, 2024, 09:08:25 AM

The reason why bookies see Izzy as a favorite imho is because they take into considerstion his past achievements more than his shape and mental preparation. I think you have forgotten how boring Izzy became when he got belt for first time. You can say this is because he was more cautious, but he defended the belt by UD, but not by total dominance and knocking out. Imho he did not want to risk, get his paycheck and chill. Isnt motivated to win. Imho he isnt motivated much to get belt back and clear whole division again.

Yeah but if you really look into his past performances, he wasn't really knocking guys out or having an optically dominant performances except for the first match up vs Whittaker, the one vs Costa and the Pereira one when he played possum. But most of his match ups were boring and low volume.

I guess it will depend on the line. If either DDP or Adesanya goes to 2.35 and up, it's prolly a value bet. But still dunno... A part of me wants to see Adesanya KO's DDP.

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Quote from: Hanadawa on August 12, 2024, 10:18:35 AM

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It just that based on what Dana mentioned, also concluded that Mokaev is unlikely to be able to return to UFC in the near future even though he is still very young, I actually think that Mokaev might have to repeat everything from the bottom.
Indeed, no one knows what the future will be like, but the chances of returning still look quite small for the near future.

In his upload on X Mokaev seems to realize his mistake and he wants to return to UFC as soon as possible. In my personal opinion this should be a lesson for Mokaev and his management. There is news that this is the Manager's mistake because he has talked to the PFL and used the contract to negotiate with the UFC. This is like an insult to the UFC and Dana White so that the UFC officially stopped extending the contract with Mokaev. Sadly, currently the PFL promoter has denied allegations that they have negotiated with Mokaev's management. IMO if it is true that there have been previous negotiations then the current situation is not beneficial for Mokaev's team so that the PFL will ask for a new contract with a lower salary.

Yes, that what I see too, but everything has happened and whatever the circumstances, hopefully Mokaev can soon find new place for him to continue his career as fighter.
It would be shame if his potential is hampered or stopped because he is still very young, we just see how the next developments are and what Mokaev team will do in the future.

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Yeah we'll see... The books got Adesanya as the slight favorite at 1.85 and with the event organized in Australia I'm pretty sure his line goes lower as they pour more money into his line while DDP's line goes up making him a value bet. Wink

But as said, I'm back and forth for this match up. A part of me wants Adesanya's line to go up over 2.00. Lol.

Anyway, the Contender Series is back. If you guys missed the fights you could watch it here...

https://www.mma-core.com/events/Dana_White%27s_Contender_Series_-_Contender_Series_2024_Week_1/100227

The vids are at the right side. Wink

Adesanya is former champion belt holder, he has pretty good fighting style and of course in this fight for the title, it shows lot that Adesanya is the favorite.
But on the other hand, I think that Adesanya and Dricus du Plessis are two fighters who can have their own advantages and I think their chances are almost the same.
Adesanya with his ability can make the fight full and win by decision, but we just see how it goes.
What is clear is that for now Adesanya has increased to @1.87.

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I have a speculation on Mateusz Gamrot vs. Dan Hooker. Similar to Muhammad Mokaev, I speculate that the UFC might suggest to Mateusz Gamrot that he should decrease his wrestling because wrestling is boring. I reckon this will certainly be very much more favourable for Dan Hooker and I predict he will have the victory hehehhehe. There might also be others like this for the other fights in the UFC. I am very skeptical on uncle Dana because he did not say or act negatively that Mokaev's statement was not a true statement. If the UFC is speaking to fighters on how they fight, this is for certain manipulation.

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The reason why bookies see Izzy as a favorite imho is because they take into considerstion his past achievements more than his shape and mental preparation. I think you have forgotten how boring Izzy became when he got belt for first time. You can say this is because he was more cautious, but he defended the belt by UD, but not by total dominance and knocking out. Imho he did not want to risk, get his paycheck and chill. Isnt motivated to win. Imho he isnt motivated much to get belt back and clear whole division again.

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Quote from: TopTort777 on August 13, 2024, 02:14:29 AM

Quote from: tokeweed on August 12, 2024, 06:48:20 AM

^ Oof Israel Adesanya and his fellow CKB guys could be in for a ride. I don't think they have a chance against Erceg and Gamrot, tho I'm back and forth with DDP and Adesanya.

I have seen Adesanya telling that he isnt interested in getting belt, but he only wants to rip DDP head off Cheesy

He has said that he was already champ twice (probably talks about having belt and winning it back from Pereira), and belt itself isnt motivating him anymore. Now we have that big pause after his fight against Strickland, and might be that now the decrease of his career starts. I will pick DDP this time. Strickland showed that techniques of Izzy can be beaten with simple defence, add strong chin of DDP and I see a winner of this fight Cheesy

Yeah we'll see... The books got Adesanya as the slight favorite at 1.85 and with the event organized in Australia I'm pretty sure his line goes lower as they pour more money into his line while DDP's line goes up making him a value bet. Wink

But as said, I'm back and forth for this match up. A part of me wants Adesanya's line to go up over 2.00. Lol.

Anyway, the Contender Series is back. If you guys missed the fights you could watch it here...

https://www.mma-core.com/events/Dana_White%27s_Contender_Series_-_Contender_Series_2024_Week_1/100227

The vids are at the right side. Wink

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Quote from: TopTort777 on August 13, 2024, 02:14:29 AM

I have seen Adesanya telling that he isnt interested in getting belt, but he only wants to rip DDP head off Cheesy

(...)

We've all seen him claiming he's Chinese, so not sure how seriously should we be taking anything he says.
I have my doubts if he would actually want to fight DDP if not for the belt (and money).

Quote from: Inwestour on August 13, 2024, 02:47:05 AM

(..) I'll probably agree that Adesanya has passed the peak of his career and will now gradually descend from the top,(...)

There's probably a lot of truth to it, but it's also that his style is no longer surprising to anyone and is therefore less effective. When he got to the top, all the contenders started to thoroughly analyse every aspect of his game and some like Strickland/Blachowicz/Pereira managed to defeat him. And, at this stage of his career, he won't be able to make any radical changes.

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Quote from: TopTort777 on August 13, 2024, 03:10:37 AM

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I have seen Adesanya telling that he isnt interested in getting belt, but he only wants to rip DDP head off Cheesy

He has said that he was already champ twice (probably talks about having belt and winning it back from Pereira), and belt itself isnt motivating him anymore. Now we have that big pause after his fight against Strickland, and might be that now the decrease of his career starts. I will pick DDP this time. Strickland showed that techniques of Izzy can be beaten with simple defence, add strong chin of DDP and I see a winner of this fight Cheesy

He can talk about motivation as much as he wants, but the most important thing is that a fighter can find it in anything, if he doesn't see motivation in the belt, let him find it in becoming a champion. I'll probably agree that Adesanya has passed the peak of his career and will now gradually descend from the top, if not with DDP, then with the next fighters. By the way, the odds 2.1 for DDP to win are not bad, but according to bookmakers, Adesanya remains the favorite for this fight with 1,72.

I dont know how much you pay attention to his life and career, but here are some facts. He run already a luxurious life, drives lambo, own a penthouse, has a lot of money (I think I saw numbers, that he get close to a million per every fight just from UFC under his contract, plus bonuses and contracts), fought for 14 years already, was a champ in kickboxing and UFC. I dont think he has much of a motivation to continue fighting on a very peak level. I think he wont get be very disappointed if he did not win this time.

That's a good point. Probably true for any other athletes who have had success for years. Hard to motivate someone with a lavish lifestyle and who has everything. Win or lose he still will get his pay.

If Izzy loses this fight I think it will continue down the road til consecutive losses. If he still wins I guess he still has it and I think they really need to make a trilogy for Pereira to make another huge pay before any of them retires.

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Quote from: Inwestour on August 13, 2024, 02:47:05 AM

Quote from: TopTort777 on August 13, 2024, 02:14:29 AM

I have seen Adesanya telling that he isnt interested in getting belt, but he only wants to rip DDP head off Cheesy

He has said that he was already champ twice (probably talks about having belt and winning it back from Pereira), and belt itself isnt motivating him anymore. Now we have that big pause after his fight against Strickland, and might be that now the decrease of his career starts. I will pick DDP this time. Strickland showed that techniques of Izzy can be beaten with simple defence, add strong chin of DDP and I see a winner of this fight Cheesy

He can talk about motivation as much as he wants, but the most important thing is that a fighter can find it in anything, if he doesn't see motivation in the belt, let him find it in becoming a champion. I'll probably agree that Adesanya has passed the peak of his career and will now gradually descend from the top, if not with DDP, then with the next fighters. By the way, the odds 2.1 for DDP to win are not bad, but according to bookmakers, Adesanya remains the favorite for this fight with 1,72.

I dont know how much you pay attention to his life and career, but here are some facts. He run already a luxurious life, drives lambo, own a penthouse, has a lot of money (I think I saw numbers, that he get close to a million per every fight just from UFC under his contract, plus bonuses and contracts), fought for 14 years already, was a champ in kickboxing and UFC. I dont think he has much of a motivation to continue fighting on a very peak level. I think he wont get be very disappointed if he did not win this time.

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Quote from: TopTort777 on August 13, 2024, 02:14:29 AM

I have seen Adesanya telling that he isnt interested in getting belt, but he only wants to rip DDP head off Cheesy

He has said that he was already champ twice (probably talks about having belt and winning it back from Pereira), and belt itself isnt motivating him anymore. Now we have that big pause after his fight against Strickland, and might be that now the decrease of his career starts. I will pick DDP this time. Strickland showed that techniques of Izzy can be beaten with simple defence, add strong chin of DDP and I see a winner of this fight Cheesy

He can talk about motivation as much as he wants, but the most important thing is that a fighter can find it in anything, if he doesn't see motivation in the belt, let him find it in becoming a champion. I'll probably agree that Adesanya has passed the peak of his career and will now gradually descend from the top, if not with DDP, then with the next fighters. By the way, the odds 2.1 for DDP to win are not bad, but according to bookmakers, Adesanya remains the favorite for this fight with 1,72.

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Quote from: tokeweed on August 12, 2024, 06:48:20 AM

^ Oof Israel Adesanya and his fellow CKB guys could be in for a ride. I don't think they have a chance against Erceg and Gamrot, tho I'm back and forth with DDP and Adesanya.

I have seen Adesanya telling that he isnt interested in getting belt, but he only wants to rip DDP head off Cheesy

He has said that he was already champ twice (probably talks about having belt and winning it back from Pereira), and belt itself isnt motivating him anymore. Now we have that big pause after his fight against Strickland, and might be that now the decrease of his career starts. I will pick DDP this time. Strickland showed that techniques of Izzy can be beaten with simple defence, add strong chin of DDP and I see a winner of this fight Cheesy

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Quote from: Hirose UK on August 10, 2024, 01:30:44 AM

It just that based on what Dana mentioned, also concluded that Mokaev is unlikely to be able to return to UFC in the near future even though he is still very young, I actually think that Mokaev might have to repeat everything from the bottom.
Indeed, no one knows what the future will be like, but the chances of returning still look quite small for the near future.

In his upload on X Mokaev seems to realize his mistake and he wants to return to UFC as soon as possible. In my personal opinion this should be a lesson for Mokaev and his management. There is news that this is the Manager's mistake because he has talked to the PFL and used the contract to negotiate with the UFC. This is like an insult to the UFC and Dana White so that the UFC officially stopped extending the contract with Mokaev. Sadly, currently the PFL promoter has denied allegations that they have negotiated with Mokaev's management. IMO if it is true that there have been previous negotiations then the current situation is not beneficial for Mokaev's team so that the PFL will ask for a new contract with a lower salary.

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^ Oof Israel Adesanya and his fellow CKB guys could be in for a ride. I don't think they have a chance against Erceg and Gamrot, tho I'm back and forth with DDP and Adesanya.

Here are some vids to watch to get you guys pumped for the event...

UFC 305: Countdown
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wLfQ6aHxELY

UFC Free Fight: DDP vs Strickland
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s53Lz5NWhm4

UFC Free Fight: Adesanya vs Pereira 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHZKfAkPC0U

My picks at first glance are Aguilar, Song, Nolan, Jenkins, Santos, Culibao, Tafa, Li, Roz, Gamrot, Erceg and I'm back and forth at the main event as said. But for now the pick is DDP.

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UFC on ESPN: Tybura vs. Spivac 2

Date: August 18, 2024

Early Prelims: Sun, Aug 18 / 5:00 AM GMT+3
Preliminary Card: Sun, Aug 18 / 5:00 AM GMT+3
Main Card: Sun, Aug 18 / 5:00 AM GMT+3

Venue: RAC Arena, Perth Australia

Main card (ESPN)
Middleweight: Dricus du Plessis vs. Israel Adesanya
Flyweight: Kai Kara-France vs. Steve Erceg
Lightweight: Mateusz Gamrot vs. Dan Hooker
Heavyweight: Tai Tuivasa vs. Jairzinho Rozenstruik
Welterweight: Li Jingliang vs. Carlos Prates

Preliminary card (ESPN)
Heavyweight: Junior Tafa vs. Valter Walker
Featherweight: Joshua Culibao vs. Ricardo Ramos
Women's Flyweight: Casey O'Neill vs. Luana Santos
Featherweight: Jack Jenkins vs. Herbert Burns

Early preliminary card (ESPN+ / UFC Fight Pass)
Lightweight: Tom Nolan vs. Alex Reyes
Welterweight: Song Kenan vs. Ricky Glenn
Flyweight: Stewart Nicoll vs. Jesús Santos Aguilar

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UFC_305

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^ And to think the UFC was grooming him to be a top prospect and giving him favorable match ups. One of them was Malcom Gordon who isn't really that good but Gordon got two rounds out of him. If Gordon held on, he would've won the match.

But yeah, here are the results. Watched a few matches and didn't finish the event as I was still feeling sick. What I learned from this event was Jhonata Diniz could climb the rankings at HW. He's decent.

Serghei Spivac def Marcin Tybura SUB R1
Chepe Mariscal def Damon Jackson UD
Danny Barlow def Nikolay Veretennikov SD
Chris Gutierrez def Quang Le UD
Yana Santos def Chelsea Chandler UD
Toshiomi Kazama def Charalampos Grigoriou SUB R2
Karol Rosa def Pannie Kianzad UD
Jhonata Diniz def Karl Williams UD
Youssef Zalal def Jarno Errens SUB R1
Stephanie Luciano def Talita Alencar UD

UFC Fight Night: Tybura vs Spivac Post Fight Press Conference
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0kF0-EDICAM

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One last thing about Mokaev. Just my observation. Even though he had 7-0 in UFC, 3 wins were by decision. The majority of those who watch UFC are default people who understand only knockout, tko or submission. All that control, positioning, escaping from sub, opponent swipes - few understand that. (Btw, Mokaev actually was bad at control, a lot of times opponents escaped his two leg take downs). Impressive record, but average performance.

We all know that UFC is entertainment and business first, and competition (sadly) comes on second place. Is Mokaev really that entertaining to watch? What audience can he bring? All those Muslim fans would go for Makhachev, Chimaev, Aliskerov, Belal (lol), Ankalaev. Mokaev fights from UK. Did many UK fans cheer for him? When they have Aspinal and Edwards. If Mokaev was the first or only Dagi there, it would be different. Dana and UFC would close their eyes on his behavior. But he is a problem maker, while is still raw fighter (but promissing), that cant really bring much fans to UFC.

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Quote from: TopTort777 on August 09, 2024, 06:12:34 AM

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^ Lolol... The guy is hilarious and getting somewhat annoying at the same time. Cheesy

Imho he is acting like "I am a guy with "lots of win:0" record and you need me badly", when UFC match makers can easily fix his record Cheesy

Sort of a "I am a huge media person and can make good sales", when UFC needs a dog on a leash that barks only when they want Cheesy

I have done a little search, and the gloves that are on the picture are manufactures by Top Ten, and it is said that they collaborate with Brave Combat Federation, a promotion where Mokaev fought before UFC.

Most of his fights in the UFC weren't really spectacularly good for him to act that way. Some of them, he lost the first couple of rounds. And his win vs Kape wasn't worthy to put him first in line for the title. Pantoja would beat the sht out of him in there.

But yeah, he needs more experience on the regionals and get some good wins there. We'll prolly see him in the UFC in a year or so.

Here are the weigh in results.

Marcin Tybura (252) vs Serghei Spivac (238)
Damon Jackson (146) vs Chepe Mariscal (149.5)*
Danny Barlow (171.25)* vs Nikolay Veretennikov (170.5)
Chris Gutierrez (136) vs Quang Le (136)
Chelsea Chandler (141)* vs Yana Santos (135.5)
Charalampos Grigoriou (136) vs Toshiomi Kazama (136)
Pannie Kianzad (135.5) vs Karol Rosa (135.5)
Jhonata Diniz (258) vs Karl Williams (243)
Jarno Errens (145.5) vs Youssef Zalal (145.5)
Talita Alencar (115.5) vs Stephanie Luciano (115)

*Missed weight

UFC Fight Night: Tybura vs Spivac Weigh In
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35hN7UWO96c

UFC Fight Night: Tybura vs Spivac Face Off
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pAIVEcduJfg

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Quote from: tokeweed on August 09, 2024, 06:01:20 AM

^ Lolol... The guy is hilarious and getting somewhat annoying at the same time. Cheesy

But yeah, he prolly got a contract with Bellator or the PFL. Maybe even with Cage Warriors. I think it's good for him and who knows, after a string of wins he'll prolly be back in the UFC like Youssef Zalal who's fighting this weekend. The UFC kicked him out due to bad performances, he went back to the regionals and had a few good wins and he's now back with the UFC rejuvenated. Mokaev is still young, so good chance we'll see him back.

And he's not trolling... He's trying to stay relevant. Cheesy

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Yes, I also think so if Bellator or PFL could be new destination for Mokaev to join and fight there after his departure from UFC, but there are also some reports that say ONE Championship is also worthy for Mokaev.
Honestly, he looks like he really can't accept all these decisions because his desire is to become UFC champion, there is great hope said by Mokaev if he really wants to be able to get another contract with UFC.
It just that based on what Dana mentioned, also concluded that Mokaev is unlikely to be able to return to UFC in the near future even though he is still very young, I actually think that Mokaev might have to repeat everything from the bottom.
Indeed, no one knows what the future will be like, but the chances of returning still look quite small for the near future.

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Quote from: tokeweed on August 09, 2024, 06:01:20 AM

^ Lolol... The guy is hilarious and getting somewhat annoying at the same time. Cheesy

Imho he is acting like "I am a guy with "lots of win:0" record and you need me badly", when UFC match makers can easily fix his record Cheesy

Sort of a "I am a huge media person and can make good sales", when UFC needs a dog on a leash that barks only when they want Cheesy

I have done a little search, and the gloves that are on the picture are manufactures by Top Ten, and it is said that they collaborate with Brave Combat Federation, a promotion where Mokaev fought before UFC.

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