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Quote from: shield132 on October 03, 2024, 04:27:58 AM

Quote from: tokeweed on September 17, 2024, 06:41:15 AM

It's gonna be Umar Nurmagomedov next for Merab for sure. But if you guys noticed at Merab's post fight interview he was kinda hesitant to say anything... What he said was he wants to talk to Dana White and the match makers. What that means is he wants to get paid more money to fight the tough Dagestanian bro. I mean he should get paid more. And I hope the UFC doesn't make it hard for Merab. I wanna see that match up.

As for O'Malley, the ideal match up is to go for Sandhagen next and win specatcularly via KO to get the next title shot against whoever wins between Nurmagomedov and Dvalshvili. But man if it's Nurmy, 135 is done for while. He'll be champ for a looong time.

Dana White doesn't like Merab Dvalishvili. He started to hate him when he decided to not fight to Aljamain Sterling because he was like a brother for him. This attitude is far from Dana White's mentality but it's very normal where I live, from where Merab Dvalishvili is.
Dvalishvili came to Georgia two days ago, I was there in the meeting and saw him in real life. Dvalishvili said that he doesn't want to fight Nurmagomedov because it's not fair for Umar to fight Merab, he has to deserve to fight Merab. Merab had to fight people like Jose Aldo, Petr Yan and Henry Cejudo to fight for belt against Shean O'Malley and they are making it very easy for Umar Nurmagomedov, which Merab finds very unfair.
Dvalishvili received 365,000 USD from the local government and he donated 100% of it to the development of MMA in Georgia. He is a very good guy.

Meh... Don't think so because if Dana White really hated him he wouldn't have been given the opportunity to fight O'Malley in what was to be a historic event. He'll prolly say some of the fighters in roster are knuckle heads, but to really hate? Nah. It's all business with him. But then again if you try to do bad business with the UFC, he'll hate you and you're out. Mokaev looks like he had a taste of Dana White's hate. The guy won all his matches and still got him out of there.

As for Merab, pretty sure personally and behind the scenes Dana White could respect Merab's decision not to fight Sterling. I mean outside of business, who couldn't?

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Quote from: shield132 on October 03, 2024, 04:27:58 AM

Quote from: tokeweed on September 17, 2024, 06:41:15 AM

It's gonna be Umar Nurmagomedov next for Merab for sure. But if you guys noticed at Merab's post fight interview he was kinda hesitant to say anything... What he said was he wants to talk to Dana White and the match makers. What that means is he wants to get paid more money to fight the tough Dagestanian bro. I mean he should get paid more. And I hope the UFC doesn't make it hard for Merab. I wanna see that match up.

As for O'Malley, the ideal match up is to go for Sandhagen next and win specatcularly via KO to get the next title shot against whoever wins between Nurmagomedov and Dvalshvili. But man if it's Nurmy, 135 is done for while. He'll be champ for a looong time.

Dana White doesn't like Merab Dvalishvili. He started to hate him when he decided to not fight to Aljamain Sterling because he was like a brother for him. This attitude is far from Dana White's mentality but it's very normal where I live, from where Merab Dvalishvili is.
Dvalishvili came to Georgia two days ago, I was there in the meeting and saw him in real life. Dvalishvili said that he doesn't want to fight Nurmagomedov because it's not fair for Umar to fight Merab, he has to deserve to fight Merab. Merab had to fight people like Jose Aldo, Petr Yan and Henry Cejudo to fight for belt against Shean O'Malley and they are making it very easy for Umar Nurmagomedov, which Merab finds very unfair.
Dvalishvili received 365,000 USD from the local government and he donated 100% of it to the development of MMA in Georgia. He is a very good guy.

Nice to hear that, because media usually dont share that kind of information. Wish I would know more about fighters everyday life, because we only get minimum from their social media and had to dig around everywhere to understand why fighter acted specifically like that on conference, there is hate between two guys and so on.

On one hand I agree that Umar hasnt truly earned title fight. Only 6 fights in UFC, and last two were UDs. However he is ranked second in rating. Who should he fight against, that it would look that he deserves a title fight ? O'Malley? But what if Sean wins? Then there would be a rematch against Merab? Actually looks good. Yan? Yan already has an opponent. Sandhagen? Umar already won him. Someone ranked #5-10 ? And after a title fight? Looks illogical.

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Quote from: tokeweed on September 17, 2024, 06:41:15 AM

It's gonna be Umar Nurmagomedov next for Merab for sure. But if you guys noticed at Merab's post fight interview he was kinda hesitant to say anything... What he said was he wants to talk to Dana White and the match makers. What that means is he wants to get paid more money to fight the tough Dagestanian bro. I mean he should get paid more. And I hope the UFC doesn't make it hard for Merab. I wanna see that match up.

As for O'Malley, the ideal match up is to go for Sandhagen next and win specatcularly via KO to get the next title shot against whoever wins between Nurmagomedov and Dvalshvili. But man if it's Nurmy, 135 is done for while. He'll be champ for a looong time.

Dana White doesn't like Merab Dvalishvili. He started to hate him when he decided to not fight to Aljamain Sterling because he was like a brother for him. This attitude is far from Dana White's mentality but it's very normal where I live, from where Merab Dvalishvili is.
Dvalishvili came to Georgia two days ago, I was there in the meeting and saw him in real life. Dvalishvili said that he doesn't want to fight Nurmagomedov because it's not fair for Umar to fight Merab, he has to deserve to fight Merab. Merab had to fight people like Jose Aldo, Petr Yan and Henry Cejudo to fight for belt against Shean O'Malley and they are making it very easy for Umar Nurmagomedov, which Merab finds very unfair.
Dvalishvili received 365,000 USD from the local government and he donated 100% of it to the development of MMA in Georgia. He is a very good guy.

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I remember discussion about women and men football players salaries. Women were asking for similar contracts. The main argument why they receive less was that they did not bring same revenue as men football players. Stadiums arent as full as during any men football game. With UFC its is different. Those who buy tickets or PPV, pay for whole event (I guess it isnt possible to buy PPV for a specific fight view only). So both men and women generate total revenue for UFC equally. Their payment should not be much different men. I dont think that UFC earn on merch a lot and they earn on men fighters merch more.

Btw, in recent Tsarukyan interview, he has told that during poster signature session, he get 25 bucks for each poster. And they usually sign around 1k posters. 25k per night for wrist warm-up is a good sum Cheesy

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Quote from: TopTort777 on October 02, 2024, 04:48:32 AM

What about second title fight ? Two chicks is about to figure out who is going to wear fashion belt next Cheesy

Is anyone even paying much attention to such fights? Some time ago in gambling section (and in the internet) there were topics about women football championships, and women were demanding equal payment for their performance. We have never discussed women salaries here. I dont even know a single pinch of information about how much they get.

I wasn't always like this, but after thinking about it, I'm strongly against women in combat sports and I'll try my best not to support this by watching fights etc.

But talking about how much they are paid - it obviously strongly depends on their marketing value. I don't think there's any hard data available on fighters' salaries, but we all know that Ronda Rousey was getting paid quite well, according to the UFC and herself. But we didn't have any female fighter of similar marketing potential since Ronda. Amanda Nunes or Joanna Jedrzejczyk could come close but were not quite there.
I'd imagine that the UFC has probably similar starting standard contracts for women as they have for men, and they get renegotiated according to fighters' earning potential.

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Quote from: pawel7777 on October 01, 2024, 03:34:49 PM

Quote from: tokeweed on October 01, 2024, 05:28:14 AM

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Another intruiging match up is Thompson vs Buckley. You guys think Thompson could still be elusive enough to win via DEC? The line on him is tempting. Buckley doesn't wrestle.

I don't know much about Buckley, but if he indeed doesn't wrestle, then Thomson has a chance. The age is not on his side, but everyone ages differently and Stephen looks quite OK for his age. He lost the last fight but it was against Rakhmonov. Before that, he won with Holland after a really good fight. For what it's worth, Holland TKO'd Buckley back in 2020.

Yeah... That match up with Rakhmonov was prolly something that Thompson got paid really well to convince him to take it. We all know had no chance. And Rakhmonov is gonna be the next champ at 170 imho. If not this year then I'm sure it's gonna be next year.

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My picks would prolly be...

12. Alex Pereira
11. Raquel Pennington
10. Mario Bautista
9. Kayla Harrison
8. Kevin Holland
7. Stephen Thompson
6. Marina Rodriguez
5. Cesar Almeida
4. Austin Hubbard
3. Ovince Saint Preux
2. Tecia Pennington
1. Tim Means

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What about second title fight ? Two chicks is about to figure out who is going to wear fashion belt next Cheesy

Is anyone even paying much attention to such fights? Some time ago in gambling section (and in the internet) there were topics about women football championships, and women were demanding equal payment for their performance. We have never discussed women salaries here. I dont even know a single pinch of information about how much they get.

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Quote from: jakelyson on September 30, 2024, 01:22:17 PM

I actually made a post in another UFC thread and I have bet for Benoit Saint-Denis that it was really a bad idea I thought that Saint-Denis would just steamroll Moicano in that fight but I was completely wrong Renato Moicano was the technical fighter in that Octagon and brute strength is not enough to defeat a Renato Moicano he is more technical with his movement it was all calculated for me Renato Moicano should fight Charles Oliveira next and see if who's a better grappler and even on the feat where Benoit Saint-Denis Excels it was a domination for Moicano,

I can't blame you for making that bet. I too thought that Saint Denis would run Moicano over, and I don't recall hearing anyone predict Moicano's win.
The only one who got it right was... the chat GPT Fight Analyst Advanced. I asked it to analyse Saint Denis Vs Moicano twice and both times it pointed out Moicano as a winner, one time with a greater level of confidence, the other time with a smaller but still. I can't remember what way of win it has predicted, but it wasn't a doctor's stoppage Grin

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Quote from: TopTort777 on October 01, 2024, 02:56:18 AM

Would be funny if Rountree chops Pereira down Cheesy

Such a huge underdog with odds 4.5. In fact, I would not be surprised if that would happen. But that is going to spoil all Danas plans.
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I agree with Alex being a favourite, but it's going to be a striking match and anything is possible. Rountree has a solid Muay Thai experience and heavy hands. Pereira is technically better and has a height and reach advantage. Should be a good one.

Quote from: tokeweed on October 01, 2024, 05:28:14 AM

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Another intruiging match up is Thompson vs Buckley. You guys think Thompson could still be elusive enough to win via DEC? The line on him is tempting. Buckley doesn't wrestle.

I don't know much about Buckley, but if he indeed doesn't wrestle, then Thomson has a chance. The age is not on his side, but everyone ages differently and Stephen looks quite OK for his age. He lost the last fight but it was against Rakhmonov. Before that, he won with Holland after a really good fight. For what it's worth, Holland TKO'd Buckley back in 2020.

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Quote from: tokeweed on October 01, 2024, 05:28:14 AM

^ Did you watch the Countdown vid for the event yet? I'm really hyped for the main event ngl. Some of you guys doubted the match up as Rountree isn't really a known commodity in the UFC. But I think we could be in for a good and exciting match here. This is gonna be a war...

But then again, Rountree could be KO'd in R1. Lolol. Cheesy

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Lol, I have the same kettle Rountree has at home Cheesy

Khalil relies a lot on his speed in addition to his natural strength. I think if we look on his record and pay attention to number of rounds, then the longer the fight goes, the worse it is for Khalil. Heavy hitter that becomes defenceless. Both Pereira and Rountree started their career 2010-2011, but Pereira has more than 3 times fighting overall experience. Their fight is going to be extremely complicated for Rountree, and if not a lucky punch, I dont what can help him to win.

Quote from: Synchronice on October 01, 2024, 06:53:23 AM

By the way, yes, I am amazed that Jose Aldo fights again. He is also rich, so I don't understand what's the point of coming back in UFC but to be honest, I think that it will be good if we see Jose Aldo VS Conor McGregor V2. Conor knocked him out so soon, it left me frustrated. I wonder why Dana White doesn't work to fight them to each-other.

Aldo is a bantamweight today, Conor beat him when they were featherweights (heavier). Right now Conor will barely fit as a lightweight. Even if miracle happens and Conor fights Chandler, imho it is going to be a catch weight. There is no way Aldo gains weight to jump over 2 weight divisions, and there is absolutely impossible Conor would cut to 57-61kg. He was already like a straw when he was featherweight and 65kg. Today, with the way of life he has, surgery, recovery, he is probably +80kg easily.

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Quote from: TopTort777 on October 01, 2024, 02:56:18 AM

Would be funny if Rountree chops Pereira down Cheesy

Such a huge underdog with odds 4.5. In fact, I would not be surprised if that would happen. But that is going to spoil all Danas plans.

Also arent you amazed to see Jose Aldo fighting again? He has retired, entered UFC hall of fame, returned and now is having his second fight after return. Btw he won his first fight. Wonder what forced him to return. Desire to fight or money. First time he fought, I though it was due to event being held in Brazil and he just cant miss it.

Alex Pereira is a monster from a Pataxo tribe. A real warrior soul. When I look at this dude's face, I get scared, really Cheesy

This guy is also as huge as Tyson Fury. He is 37 years old and still rocks, one of the best fighter of UFC for sure. I think that Pereire will knock Rountree down.

By the way, yes, I am amazed that Jose Aldo fights again. He is also rich, so I don't understand what's the point of coming back in UFC but to be honest, I think that it will be good if we see Jose Aldo VS Conor McGregor V2. Conor knocked him out so soon, it left me frustrated. I wonder why Dana White doesn't work to fight them to each-other.

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^ Did you watch the Countdown vid for the event yet? I'm really hyped for the main event ngl. Some of you guys doubted the match up as Rountree isn't really a known commodity in the UFC. But I think we could be in for a good and exciting match here. This is gonna be a war...

But then again, Rountree could be KO'd in R1. Lolol. Cheesy

UFC 307: Countdown
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Another intruiging match up is Thompson vs Buckley. You guys think Thompson could still be elusive enough to win via DEC? The line on him is tempting. Buckley doesn't wrestle.

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Would be funny if Rountree chops Pereira down Cheesy

Such a huge underdog with odds 4.5. In fact, I would not be surprised if that would happen. But that is going to spoil all Danas plans.

Also arent you amazed to see Jose Aldo fighting again? He has retired, entered UFC hall of fame, returned and now is having his second fight after return. Btw he won his first fight. Wonder what forced him to return. Desire to fight or money. First time he fought, I though it was due to event being held in Brazil and he just cant miss it.

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I actually made a post in another UFC thread and I have bet for Benoit Saint-Denis that it was really a bad idea I thought that Saint-Denis would just steamroll Moicano in that fight but I was completely wrong Renato Moicano was the technical fighter in that Octagon and brute strength is not enough to defeat a Renato Moicano he is more technical with his movement it was all calculated for me Renato Moicano should fight Charles Oliveira next and see if who's a better grappler and even on the feat where Benoit Saint-Denis Excels it was a domination for Moicano,

While Nassourdine Imavov vs Brendan Allen fight was really sketchy Brendan Allen was very well-rounded but always sprawling looking for takedowns but Nassourdine defended all that very well well I am giving Allen the 1st round he controlled it because of what he did while Nassourdine Imavov have done a well-done performance in the standing with the 2nd and 3rd round for sure a well-deserved win for Imavov.

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With last two fights, Saint Denis showed us that top of any UFC division aint no joke Cheesy

Before facing top, Saint Denis finished all his opponents, as soon as he started to get guys from the top: KOed in second round by Poirier, TKOed in second round by Moicano Cheesy

2 fights, 2 nasty knockouts. Either he will now get someone easy (and that would be a nice bet to make), or again someone from the top (and the bet would be very risky) and he will risk to be kicked from UFC.

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^ Yup lmaooo!! Now the question is what does this mean for Saint Denis? I guess he'll end up like Fiziev... His career in limbo. I wouldn't mind Fiziev vs Saint Denis tbh. Grin

My money will be on Fiz.

Anyway, what did you guys think of the Brito vs Gomis match? I think Brito won by a slight margin. And he was the aggressor for most of the match.

Edit: Next event...

Date: Saturday, October 5
Main Card (PPV): 10:00pm EST
Preliminary Card (ESPN/ESPN+): 8:00pm EST
Early Prelims (ESPN+/Fight Pass): 6:15pm EST
Venue: Vivint Arena, Salt Lake City, Utah

Main Card (PPV)
Light Heavyweight: Alex Pereira vs Khalil Rountree Jr.
Women's Bantamweight: Raquel Pennington vs Julianna Peña
Bantamweight: Jose Aldo vs Mario Bautista
Women's Bantamweight: Ketlen Vieira vs Kayla Harrison
Middleweight: Roman Dolidze vs Kevin Holland

Preliminary Card (ESPN/ESPN+)
Welterweight: Stephen Thompson vs Joaquin Buckley
Women's Strawweight: Marina Rodriguez vs Iasmin Lucindo
Middleweight: Cesar Almeida vs Ihor Potieria
Lightweight: Alexander Hernandez vs Austin Hubbard

Early Prelims (ESPN+/UFC Fight Pass)
Women's Strawweight: Carla Esparza vs Tecia Pennington
Light Heavyweight: Ryan Spann vs Ovince Saint Preux
Welterweight: Court McGee vs Tim Means

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Full set of results of last night's Fight Night in Paris:

Fantastic performance by Moicano - despite being a big underdog, he beat up Saint Denis (in front of French audience) in the first 2 rounds so badly that the doctor had to stop it. Then he lectured everyone about why Macron and the French government sucks and why democracy is flawed to top it up by calling out "easy money fights" with Paddy Pimblett and Dan Hooker. This is a textbook example of how to hype yourself up properly—well done to him.

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Chandler has the KO power to win against Oliveira. The chances of Oliveira surviving Chandler's attack are pretty high just as they had before when Oliviera made it after the first 2 rounds of their fight and overturned the outcome by KO. Even if Chandler brings the fight to the ground, this could lead instead to him getting submitted in the later rounds. Just my take, Oliveira adapts in every fight.

Oliveira by Sub is probably 2.40 this should be a good bet still. That is just my speculation though.

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^ Yeah I'd prolly go Chandler via KO and the line could go north of 7.00. But we'll see when the props come out... And we can't really go with Oliveira with where his line is at if we think about his durability issues. But he def could finish Chandler via SUB. But that's not gonna pay much me thinks.

Anyway here are the weigh in results. Just one miss... Good enough.

Renato Moicano (156) vs Benoit Saint Denis (156)
Brendan Allen (186) vs Nassourdine Imavov (186)
Joanderson Brito (146) vs William Gomis (146)
Bryan Battle (170) vs Kevin Jousset (169)
Morgan Charriere (146) vs Gabriel Miranda (146)
Matt Frevola (156) vs Fares Ziam (156)
Ion Cutelaba (205) vs Ivan Erslan (206)
Da Woon Jung (205) vs Oumar Sy (205)
Ludovit Klein (155) vs Roosevelt Roberts (155)
Ailin Perez (136.5)* vs Darya Zheleznyakova (135)
Taylor Lapilus (136) vs Vince Morales (135)
Victor Altamirano (126) vs Daniel Barez (125)
Jacqueline Cavalcanti (135) vs Nora Cornolle (136)
Chris Duncan (156) vs Bolaji Oki (156)

*Missed weight

UFC Paris: Ceremonial Weigh In
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLb22CmYJgQ

My leans based on the list above...

Moicano
Allen
Brito
Jousset
Charriere
Frevola
Cutelaba
Sy
Klein
Perez
Lapilus
Altamirano
Cavalcanti
Oki

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Quote from: TopTort777 on September 27, 2024, 03:28:15 AM

Possible, UFC matchmakers have such a plan: they really hope that Chandler would beat Oliveira. This would make Chandler #2 in lightweight, and it could be smart to organize Chandler vs McGregor fight then, and really hope that Conor win. Potentially, this makes him a real contender for a title fight. Just imagine hype if Conor returns, and after 1 fight, fights for a belt, and he wins it.

That would be a bold plan given that Charles KO'd Chandler in the 2nd round of their first fight and there's no way Chandler is any better now than he was back then.
If they we're to prop up Chandler before fighting McGregor (who is not coming back but we can still pretend) they'd match him up with Gaethje instead.

Meanwhile, McGregor is calling out Paddy Pimblett now:
https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/other-sports/mma/conor-mcgregor-ufc-fight-news-33756814
*yawn*

Quote from: tokeweed on September 27, 2024, 07:31:21 AM

Oof... Chandler at 3.05 could be a decent bet. I don't think a lot of fans realize how chinny Oliveira is. And Chandler packs a good punch. His cardio could be an issue but then again Oliveira isn't a cardio machine either.

I dunno, somehow I can't imagine Chandler defeating Charles. Is it possible? Yes. Probable? Not really. x3.05 is not enough for me.

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Quote from: TopTort777 on September 27, 2024, 07:58:17 AM

Quote from: tokeweed on September 27, 2024, 07:31:21 AM

Oof... Chandler at 3.05 could be a decent bet. I don't think a lot of fans realize how chinny Oliveira is. And Chandler packs a good punch. His cardio could be an issue but then again Oliveira isn't a cardio machine either.

But yeah, decent match up. At least Chandler got a good opponent as the match up vs McGregor wasn't meant to be.

Yeap, remember how in the past, or in the beginning of career in UFC, Oliveira used to give up and tap as soon as he gets some damage or feels that something happens with his body (past injury reveals itself). I really dont like his tactics of falling on the back, on the canvas after getting first damage to head, and try to welcome to fight on his territory of BJJ. Check any video where he gets a head punch. Boom and he is on the back, welcoming his opponent for a full mount. Since his striking base is Muay Thai, with clinches and etc, will it be an advantage for a wrestler like Chandler? Doing takedowns is pretty dangerous, as it opens neck for a guillotine. And having a backpack with brand name Charles Oliveira on the back is always a huge threat.

After several losses in Charles's UFC career, he eventually picked the timing. This is their rematch already which Chandler almost won in the first fight but was caught by a left hook and rattle to the very end. Chandler always has this moment every time he receives a big blow - one time Chandler vs Brooks where he was stunned and was shocked he was waving his hands facing somewhere else.

Congrats to Chandler though. He finally gets a good fight after waiting for Connor. Maybe he can get even.

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