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^ Lolol... The guy is hilarious and getting somewhat annoying at the same time. Cheesy

But yeah, he prolly got a contract with Bellator or the PFL. Maybe even with Cage Warriors. I think it's good for him and who knows, after a string of wins he'll prolly be back in the UFC like Youssef Zalal who's fighting this weekend. The UFC kicked him out due to bad performances, he went back to the regionals and had a few good wins and he's now back with the UFC rejuvenated. Mokaev is still young, so good chance we'll see him back.

And he's not trolling... He's trying to stay relevant. Cheesy

Weigh ins start in 4 hours.

UFC Fight Night: Spivac vs Tybura 2 Official Weigh In
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M6wjMBadvJU

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That Mokaev drama cant let us free, so here is some news Cheesy

He has posted a picture in his twitter, that he has got new gloves. Not UFC gloves at all. So maybe lets try to guess what this is all about? He has signed with a new promotion and they have sent him new gloves? He simply has bought new gloves for training? Because he dont want to train in UFC gloves anymore (then what about his requests to get him back?). He just trolling us?

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Quote from: cabron on August 05, 2024, 11:32:37 AM

Quote from: TopTort777 on August 05, 2024, 08:23:14 AM

Right now Mokaev is lowering his public rank and loosing his "cool" score with "Muhammad Mokaev Offers to Fight for Free to Rejoin UFC". Imho this not the right thing to do now. He openly offers Dana to wipe feet on himself. That is a huge fail and big no to do in business and negotiations. Now UFC can offer him to fight for food, while he can go to One FC or Rizin, return to bantamweight and join Bellator or as he is a resident of UK, he can join Cage Warriors.

He replied to PFL who doesn't want anything to do with him, he figured it was time to find another but he preferred to come back. I saw the tweet that he wants to fight Hunter Campell for free so he could rejoin UFC, it's pathetic but he admits they were negotiating so there's the proof. https://x.com/muhammadmokaev/status/1819608256085397646

Maybe other promotions will not be interested in him as well especially now that they know he is a pain in the ass to deal with. He is young, maybe a career change is the way to go.

Hehehehe there are articles that have mentioned Hunter Campbell is the real boss behind the UFC. This is not uncle Dana anymore. Uncle Dana is only the face of the UFC for public appearances. However, if Muhammad Mokaev is declaring a challenge to fight the real boss behind the UFC, this certainly makes it appear that Mokaev has also very quite certain that he cannot already return to the UFC. This is very headshaking decision for the UFC because Moakev is a good grappler. The boss Hunter Campbell should be more patient with these fighters, I reckon.

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People got so obsessed with Mokaev, that they have forgotten about bigger stars Cheesy

How do you like that? A tweet by Mokaev with a sign "Unemployed man in Dubai". I cant say that he is very disappointed with being off from UFC. Anyway, good luck to him.

I think I am going to watch just a review of next UFC event, but UFC 305 is full of nice fights. Basically I just want to see new (if he would be new) Izzy. He took 1 year off, enjoyed life. And he is 35. The moment when his career starts to go down is about to start.

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Looking more closely at this event, my picks would be these guys...

Marcin Tybura
Damon Jackson
Danny Barlow
Chris Gutierrez
Yana Santos
Charalampos Grigoriou
Karol Rosa
Karl Williams
Youssef Zalal
Stephanie Luciano

Here's a couple of vids of those who are fighting in the main event. I don't think there was any improvement from these guys when they last fought so I don't think we'll see a different result. I think Tybura wins again.

UFC Free Fight: Tybura vs Tuivasa
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ArHn22uwQMU

UFC Free Fight: Spivac vs Hardy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zRqABAlQLo

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Quote from: TopTort777 on August 06, 2024, 05:26:51 AM

Tybura vs. Spivac 2 seems to be such a boring event that we keep on discussing Mokaev money failure Cheesy

Not surprised if we soon switch on McGregors recent beer performances Cheesy

Btw, have you guys saw UFC 308 card? On the paper it looks super cool. Ankalaev again is fighting someone except current champion; Gane return; possibly we would see Borz return and main event is a bomb.

Lmao yup... This is one instance that I won't get annoyed when the thread goes of the rails for a bit. Cheesy

No one wants to see Tybura vs Spivak 2 for 5 rounds. There's nothing at stake. No title implications, no nothing. And the PPV event after that is decent but all in all just ok. Curious about DDP vs Adesanya tho.

Then we get a couple of Fight Night events then it's 306 in the LV Sphere. The visuals in that thing is gonna ne goooood.

https://www.tapology.com/fightcenter/events/110826-ufc-306

As for 308, here are more match ups in Tapology. Looking like a total banger.

https://www.tapology.com/fightcenter/events/112501-ufc-308

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Quote from: pawel7777 on August 06, 2024, 03:42:41 PM

Quote from: tokeweed on August 05, 2024, 06:43:16 AM

Yeah but Dana White has a no bs taken approach from fighters' managers. And how could even we be sure that the PFL was offering something higher for Mokaev..? It could just be the manager doing some shenanigans and that's what pissed him off and said to hell with it. (...)

They didn't have to know if the PFL offer was legit or not. They could've just said "xyx is what we are willing to offer to Mokeav and it's not negotiable. Take it or leave.". That's it.
Throwing a hissy fit over a manager's action and taking it out on a fighter does not sound professional. You can tell (by this one and other actions) that Dana was deepy hurt by losing Nganou to PFL and is massively overreacting.
I don't understand how a lot of people seem to be thinking that talking to different organisations when fighter's contract is about to come to an end is somehow unacceptable. There's absolutely nothing wrong with that.

It would be nothing wrong if you are a free agent. I will explain why it is unacceptable. UFC also spend time and money on promoting a fighter. They make plans, they make schedules for other fighters based on Mokaev potential contract in UFC. I mean how can you plan and run business, when you cant control and managed your fighters. I am sure they were planning to offer him a new contract, but he or his managers were acting behind their back to increase contracts benefits. I think if you go to your boss and blackmail him either he gives you a raise or you leave because other might possibly pay you more, he will point you at the door.

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Quote from: tokeweed on August 05, 2024, 06:43:16 AM

Yeah but Dana White has a no bs taken approach from fighters' managers. And how could even we be sure that the PFL was offering something higher for Mokaev..? It could just be the manager doing some shenanigans and that's what pissed him off and said to hell with it. (...)

They didn't have to know if the PFL offer was legit or not. They could've just said "xyx is what we are willing to offer to Mokeav and it's not negotiable. Take it or leave.". That's it.
Throwing a hissy fit over a manager's action and taking it out on a fighter does not sound professional. You can tell (by this one and other actions) that Dana was deepy hurt by losing Nganou to PFL and is massively overreacting.
I don't understand how a lot of people seem to be thinking that talking to different organisations when fighter's contract is about to come to an end is somehow unacceptable. There's absolutely nothing wrong with that.

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Quote from: tokeweed on August 06, 2024, 03:50:15 AM

^ Aaaahhh so that's why. He was still under contract with the UFC and he talked to the guys at PFL to jack up his price so he could tell the UFC that the PFL was willing to offer him more money. Man if it was Mokaev's manager's idea, he should just give them the sack, get better representation and talk to the UFC again.
But yeah... All his shenanigans aren't helping. I think we could tell now that he's done in the UFC.

Honestly I really regret what Mokaev's team did. I don't know where that crazy idea came from. Is it because Mokaev has an undefeated record and is being hyped that Mokaev's team is trying to get a new contract in UFC with a bigger price? IMO Mokaev is a great fighter but his current position is not enough to negotiate with uncle Dana. There are many other fighters with undefeated records. Even a UFC champion like Ngannou can't get a new contract with UFC (but it seems Ngannou is asking for a very big payday which makes Dana White angry). It's really unfortunate because Mokaev was once said to break Jones' record as the youngest UFC champion.

Quote from: TopTort777 on August 06, 2024, 05:26:51 AM

Btw, have you guys saw UFC 308 card? On the paper it looks super cool. Ankalaev again is fighting someone except current champion; Gane return; possibly we would see Borz return and main event is a bomb.

Yeah I think that's really cool. After beating "The Great" Topuria will fight the second king of the featherweight division. If EL Matador wins then he will be worthy of being ranked as the GOAT of featherweight. Gane is back after his loss to Jones. Has he fixed his weaknesses in the ground game? Another one is the return of Chimaev. I feel for Chimaev because his physical and health issues have kept him from performing at his best in the UFC. The Hype Train seems to be coming to an end.

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Tybura vs. Spivac 2 seems to be such a boring event that we keep on discussing Mokaev money failure Cheesy

Not surprised if we soon switch on McGregors recent beer performances Cheesy

Btw, have you guys saw UFC 308 card? On the paper it looks super cool. Ankalaev again is fighting someone except current champion; Gane return; possibly we would see Borz return and main event is a bomb.

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^ Aaaahhh so that's why. He was still under contract with the UFC and he talked to the guys at PFL to jack up his price so he could tell the UFC that the PFL was willing to offer him more money. Man if it was Mokaev's manager's idea, he should just give them the sack, get better representation and talk to the UFC again.

But yeah... All his shenanigans aren't helping. I think we could tell now that he's done in the UFC.

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Everyone knows that UFC dont like when fighters try to do something behind their back if that concerns money. If I was on Mokaev or his managers place, I would have contacted UFC and say that PFL is trying (or not trying, we dont know whole truth) to offer me a contract with good figures. Let their lawyers do their job and fight. Now Mokaev is trying to jump out of his pants to return to UFC. He will try to convince and tell UFC what they want to hear, but we dont know if that would be the truth. In theory, Mokaev was still on the contract (it has ended only after his last fight), but he was already having talks with PFL. Not the right thing to do imho.

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Quote from: TopTort777 on August 05, 2024, 08:23:14 AM

Right now Mokaev is lowering his public rank and loosing his "cool" score with "Muhammad Mokaev Offers to Fight for Free to Rejoin UFC". Imho this not the right thing to do now. He openly offers Dana to wipe feet on himself. That is a huge fail and big no to do in business and negotiations. Now UFC can offer him to fight for food, while he can go to One FC or Rizin, return to bantamweight and join Bellator or as he is a resident of UK, he can join Cage Warriors.

He replied to PFL who doesn't want anything to do with him, he figured it was time to find another but he preferred to come back. I saw the tweet that he wants to fight Hunter Campell for free so he could rejoin UFC, it's pathetic but he admits they were negotiating so there's the proof. https://x.com/muhammadmokaev/status/1819608256085397646

Maybe other promotions will not be interested in him as well especially now that they know he is a pain in the ass to deal with. He is young, maybe a career change is the way to go.

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Right now Mokaev is lowering his public rank and loosing his "cool" score with "Muhammad Mokaev Offers to Fight for Free to Rejoin UFC". Imho this not the right thing to do now. He openly offers Dana to wipe feet on himself. That is a huge fail and big no to do in business and negotiations. Now UFC can offer him to fight for food, while he can go to One FC or Rizin, return to bantamweight and join Bellator or as he is a resident of UK, he can join Cage Warriors.

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^ Low level match ups but Youssef Zalal vs Jarno Errens, Allan Nascimento vs Jafel Filho, Damon Jackson vs Chepe Mariscal and Chris Gutierrez vs Javid Basharat could be good.

Quote from: pawel7777 on August 01, 2024, 04:12:42 AM

Quote from: TopTort777 on July 31, 2024, 08:01:50 AM

I am not 1000% sure in situation with Mokaev, but in Russian media we have a bit different theory about his release (boring, causes troubles, refused to follow UFC orders vs manager fault). Here is an article you could read https://www.sportskeeda.com/mma/news-muhammad-mokaev-s-manager-refutes-claims-ufc-release-alleged-pfl-negotiations-contract-completely-false (just zoom in twitter conversation). (...)

Sounds believable, and that would kind of make sense. Thanks for sharing.
But if the major reason was Mokaev's manager talking to PFL trying to use that as leverage and get the best possible deal to his client - I'm struggling to see anything wrong with that. That's what managers are supposed to be doing.
If the UFC/Dana indeed threw a tantrum over that, it would make them look unprofessional and confirm their abusive approach toward their fighters. They could just make him a non-negotiable offer and give him a deadline to sign. It's that simple.

Yeah but Dana White has a no bs taken approach from fighters' managers. And how could even we be sure that the PFL was offering something higher for Mokaev..? It could just be the manager doing some shenanigans and that's what pissed him off and said to hell with it. Same thing happened to Ngannou. The UFC give him the best they could offer but it got rejected cos 'boxing' should be part of the deal. And what of the PFL now? They paid a lot of money for somebody who looks like he doesn't wanna fight in MMA anymore. Lol.

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UFC on ESPN: Tybura vs. Spivac 2

Date: August 10, 2024
Preliminary Card : Sat, Aug 10 / 11:00 PM GMT+3
Main Card: Sun, Aug 11 / 2:00 AM GMT+3

Venue: UFC Apex

Main card (ESPN)
Heavyweight: Marcin Tybura vs. Serghei Spivac
Bantamweight: Chris Gutierrez vs Javid Basharat
Featherweight: Damon Jackson vs. Chepe Mariscal
Women's Bantamweight: Yana Santos vs. Chelsea Chandler
Flyweight: Allan Nascimento vs. Jafel Filho

Preliminary card (ESPN)
Bantamweight: Toshiomi Kazama vs. Charalampos Grigoriou
Women's Bantamweight: Karol Rosa vs. Pannie Kianzad
Heavyweight: Jhonata Diniz vs. Karl Williams
Featherweight: Youssef Zalal vs. Jarno Errens
Women's Strawweight: Stephanie Luciano vs. Talita Alencar

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UFC_on_ESPN:_Tybura_vs._Spivac_2

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So, this is the end for Tony Ferguson. 9th loss in a row and an end of his career. It was a hard decision for him. It was really hard for him to finally say that he retire, so he put only one glove in the octagon. He sure wants to continue, but even he understand that this is the end. Hope to see him soon wearing suit and giving a speech during entrance of hall-of-fame, he really deserve a spot there.

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Quote from: Hanadawa on August 02, 2024, 07:05:56 AM

Quote from: pawel7777 on August 02, 2024, 03:11:47 AM

It's crazy how much of a favourite Umar is, given Sandhagen is ranked number 2 contender.
Anyone taking a gamble on Tony? Chiesa is also not the youngest (36) and is on 3 losses streak.

Umar is undefeated and he said Khabib will also be his cornerman in the fight. Sandhagen is a great fighter and he is on a 3-fight winning streak. But I think this fight is more favorable for Umar. If he wins then Umar will be in the top 5 bantamweight fighters. The bookies also favor Umar because Umar can always dominate his opponents.

I choose Tony in that fight. Although he has never won since losing to Justin Gaetjhe (cmiiw) but if his opponent is Chiesa I think Tony still has a chance. Honestly I don't expect anything from Tony. For me Tony is a great fighter who deserves to be a legend. He should have retired after losing to Oliveira. Whatever the result of the fight later I will always respect Tony as one of the legends in Lightweight.

If it were someone else, UFC wouldn't wait for someone to have 8 consecutive losses. I think choosing Chiesa is almost a win already it will be good to add him in a parlay along with Nurmagomedov and Shara might just be a winning list. Maybe the undefeated Victoria Dudakova will make it as well. (this fight already started)

Anything can happen though seeing Sandhagen was only submitted once in his UFC career while he has the tank to last which could likely be a decision.
Nurmagomedov, Umar By Decision 2.33

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Quote from: pawel7777 on August 02, 2024, 03:11:47 AM

It's crazy how much of a favourite Umar is, given Sandhagen is ranked number 2 contender.
Anyone taking a gamble on Tony? Chiesa is also not the youngest (36) and is on 3 losses streak.

Umar is undefeated and he said Khabib will also be his cornerman in the fight. Sandhagen is a great fighter and he is on a 3-fight winning streak. But I think this fight is more favorable for Umar. If he wins then Umar will be in the top 5 bantamweight fighters. The bookies also favor Umar because Umar can always dominate his opponents.

I choose Tony in that fight. Although he has never won since losing to Justin Gaetjhe (cmiiw) but if his opponent is Chiesa I think Tony still has a chance. Honestly I don't expect anything from Tony. For me Tony is a great fighter who deserves to be a legend. He should have retired after losing to Oliveira. Whatever the result of the fight later I will always respect Tony as one of the legends in Lightweight.

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Quote from: pawel7777 on August 02, 2024, 03:11:47 AM

It's crazy how much of a favourite Umar is, given Sandhagen is ranked number 2 contender.
Anyone taking a gamble on Tony? Chiesa is also not the youngest (36) and is on 3 losses streak.

I speculate that UFC took Chiesa on purpose, as he isnt much of a striker, so he wont TKO/KO Tony (and imho any punch today from a pro will crack Tonys crystal chin). Chiesa is a wrestler/bjj guy. Tony is also good at ground games. So they will spend most of time on the ground and I hope that Tony will open Chiesa or pull a magical move to make Chiesa tap. The odds on Tony vs Chiesa are good, as I think this time Tony might really win. I think it is worth to risk a couple of bucks on him this time.

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