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Quote from: rdbase on May 06, 2022, 03:16:29 PM

Oliveira missed weight by 0.5 pound so he has been stripped of the title. So if he wins he has to fight for the belt.
Who does he need to fight so to get that shot at it again?
This is very strange. Cause they allow him to fight even without the title to contend with.

Gaethji will be holding a “fake” belt, if he wins, and would have to win somebody to make his belt legit. I think it will end like this.

Or, UFC would organize a fake title fight for Conor, then they would pray he would win and defend it. Imagine what money boost would UFC get, if Conor would be champ again.

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Quote from: rdbase on May 06, 2022, 05:42:31 PM

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Quote from: Welsh on May 06, 2022, 04:09:56 PM

I can't recall the last two fighters that this happened too, anyone remember? I honestly believe lumping on Justin now to win, is probably a good idea.

No I don't think I ever saw anything like this happening before.
I am looking at odds now on Sportsbet and Oliveira is still favorite but odds is going up on him, and I think he is going to win because money is still involved and maybe he won't have so much pressure and he will be angry

https://sportsbet.io/sports/event/mma/ufc/ufc-274-oliveira-vs-gaethje/oliveira-charles-vs-gaethje-justin-62277e741f85c703d2b5b5f9

It hasn't happened in the history of UFC towards a title holder.
Happened in a fight a few months back but it was within the allowed weight for a non-title holder. And another fight before that, from the R&D of the UFC.
But for any championship they have zero let on the subject of weight.

Should make for an interesting ceremonial weigh-in happening in about 15 minutes.

Sad news. Damn the fight still is scheduled. The thing is that if Olivera wins, he still won't get the belt but if Justin wins, he could get the belt. That's a fuckedup situation. This is not the first time Olivera has not achieve the weight though. This is a penalty however is just too much. He has to restart again to win the belt, its becoming hard to be champ seem designed to also mess current champs.

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Quote from: notblox1 on May 06, 2022, 04:21:29 PM

Quote from: Welsh on May 06, 2022, 04:09:56 PM

I can't recall the last two fighters that this happened too, anyone remember? I honestly believe lumping on Justin now to win, is probably a good idea.

No I don't think I ever saw anything like this happening before.
I am looking at odds now on Sportsbet and Oliveira is still favorite but odds is going up on him, and I think he is going to win because money is still involved and maybe he won't have so much pressure and he will be angry

https://sportsbet.io/sports/event/mma/ufc/ufc-274-oliveira-vs-gaethje/oliveira-charles-vs-gaethje-justin-62277e741f85c703d2b5b5f9

It hasn't happened in the history of UFC towards a title holder.
Happened in a fight a few months back but it was within the allowed weight for a non-title holder. And another fight before that, from the R&D of the UFC.
But for any championship they have zero let on the subject of weight.

Should make for an interesting ceremonial weigh-in happening in about 15 minutes.

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Quote from: Welsh on May 06, 2022, 04:09:56 PM

I can't recall the last two fighters that this happened too, anyone remember? I honestly believe lumping on Justin now to win, is probably a good idea.

No I don't think I ever saw anything like this happening before.
I am looking at odds now on Sportsbet and Oliveira is still favorite but odds is going up on him, and I think he is going to win because money is still involved and maybe he won't have so much pressure and he will be angry

https://sportsbet.io/sports/event/mma/ufc/ufc-274-oliveira-vs-gaethje/oliveira-charles-vs-gaethje-justin-62277e741f85c703d2b5b5f9

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I can't recall the last two fighters that this happened too, anyone remember? I honestly believe lumping on Justin now to win, is probably a good idea. Since, he's going to be raring to go since he can still win it, while Olivera will be feeling a little bit disappointed, and knowing he can't win that belt on the night is going to demotivate him even further than he already is. You've got to feel for him though, missing out by half a pound, and being stripped of something he has already defended once, right?

Justin it is, I'm wondering how this might effect the odds going into the night. Might get a bet in early if they haven't changed too much.

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Quote from: rdbase on May 06, 2022, 03:16:29 PM

Oliveira missed weight by 0.5 pound so he has been stripped of the title. So if he wins he has to fight for the belt.
Who does he need to fight so to get that shot at it again?
This is very strange. Cause they allow him to fight even without the title to contend with.

I am reading the news now and I can't believe what happened.
Oliveira should take this weight cutting more seriously for every fight and more in championship title fight, but I never like how UFC is doing this weight cuts.
They allowed him to fight because they don't want to lose money from pay per view and ticket sales, we know Dana likes money above all things.

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Oliveira missed weight by 0.5 pound so he has been stripped of the title. So if he wins he has to fight for the belt.
Who does he need to fight so to get that shot at it again?
This is very strange. Cause they allow him to fight even without the title to contend with.

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^ Def the winner of Makhachev vs Dariush. But let's face it, it's gonna be the Khabib protege. It's going to be a good match up with both negating each other's skills.

Quote from: bbc.reporter on May 05, 2022, 10:38:37 PM

It also appears that there is again another very underestimated fighter hehehe. Everyone is cheering for Thug Rose, however, we have forgotten that the wrestler Carla Esparza has defeated thug Rose before. This was many years ago and there might be improvements on Rose, however, we have witnessed during Rose vs. Weili that there might not be improvements in wrestling for Rose. Weili made 5 takedowns during that fight. Carla Esparza might make more takedowns and have more time in controlling Rose on the ground.

Uh... -_- Jfc I got Namajunas in my second from the top ticket... I wouldn't give your post much weight if you didn't get the Yan vs Sterling match right to the dot. It was a co main event too. Lmao. It could be a sign. But we'll see. I think Namajunas has improved by a lot more than Esparza since the loss.

Anyway, here's the live weigh in show in case you guys have nothing better to do.

UFC 274: Live Weigh In Show
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mp99zaOTQwU

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Oliveira and Gaethji shook hands at faceoff. I am impressed. No hate between two fighters. Rare to see such in title fight. Second title defence for Oliveira, second attempt to get a belt from Gaethji. Interesting.

If Oliveira wins, we are going to see Gaethji vs Poirier winner meets winner of Makhachev vs Dariush?

Just notice, why Dariush is so high in top? He beat Ferguson last year, fought Ferreira same year, who is top15. Did not face anyone from top before that

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Quote from: bbc.reporter on May 05, 2022, 10:38:37 PM

It also appears that there is again another very underestimated fighter hehehe. Everyone is cheering for Thug Rose, however, we have forgotten that the wrestler Carla Esparza has defeated thug Rose before. This was many years ago and there might be improvements on Rose, however, we have witnessed during Rose vs. Weili that there might not be improvements in wrestling for Rose. Weili made 5 takedowns during that fight. Carla Esparza might make more takedowns and have more time in controlling Rose on the ground.

I'm actually not a big fan of thug rose, probably due to not being American, and she's quite a heavy favourite over there. However, I'm going for her on my predictions simply because I believe the momentum she has, might just be enough to get her the win.

Whereas, my predictions which I'll post up tonight I'll probably include a note, that I'll actually be putting Carla on my betting slip, since I believe she more, than enough has what it takes, and the odds are looking rather tasty from a betting perspective. Carla isn't any slog on the feet either in my opinion, could be a decent match up, and a challenging night for both ladies.

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Quote from: TopTort777 on May 04, 2022, 02:06:46 PM

Check out recent Tony Ferguson photo few days before fight against Chandler. You know what I dont like about this picture ? There are no sparkles in Tony's eyes (and there are lots of pictures of smiling Chandler in UFC instagram). He looks old, and tired. I dont know how is he going to win with such attitude. I expect a hard beating for Tony. It will be hard to watch, as he wont tap.

Agreed. It certainly appears that uncle Dana is only offering him more fights because of his name. He will continue to do this until the fans are not happy to watch him anymore. Uncle Dana is very cruel hehehe.

It also appears that there is again another very underestimated fighter hehehe. Everyone is cheering for Thug Rose, however, we have forgotten that the wrestler Carla Esparza has defeated thug Rose before. This was many years ago and there might be improvements on Rose, however, we have witnessed during Rose vs. Weili that there might not be improvements in wrestling for Rose. Weili made 5 takedowns during that fight. Carla Esparza might make more takedowns and have more time in controlling Rose on the ground.

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This is a good card, and I haven't seen many getting hyped up for it. Is this event being slept on? There's some awesome fights, even if they're a tad unbalanced. I think the main event speaks for itself, but the Ferguson fight despite probably going to be utter domination, has that sparkle in the eye for being an absolute war. Chandler is capable of a war, and Ferguson almost always puts on a war, mainly because the dude doesn't care much about defense Cheesy

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Fialho - Royval - Chandler at 2.16: 10 USD
Add: Ivanov - Namajunas - OSP at 7.13: 5 USD
Add: Dumont - Brown at 20.53: 2 USD
Add: Godinez - Rodrigues - Roberts at 81.66: 2 USD
Add: Lauzon - Gatto - Garcia at 846.87: 1 USD
Add: Gaethje at 2108.72: 1 USD

Follow or fade but just a little warning... I lost for two straight events now. So it's better to fade. Cheesy

If anyone else needs any more motivation to fade these predictions, I too have the majority of the same picks. I'll be getting mine up either later tonight or tomorrow, but I've got Royval, Chandler, Ivanov, Namajunas, Lauzon, Ovince Saint Preux and Gaethje. I'm still deciding on a few of the other fights.

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There is an interesting fight in main event - veteran Maurício Rua (famous for stomp and soccer kicks during Pride) against Ovince Saint Preux (dont really know who he is). Shogun used have 3-4 fights per year, now he is more on the bench. Another talented fighter whose era is about to end.

P.S. This is a rematch. In their first fight in 2014 it took Preux 34 seconds to knock Shogun out. Expect same outcome this Sunday Cheesy

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Quote from: notblox1 on May 04, 2022, 04:56:15 PM

I do believe Chandler will win against Tony Ferguson, but I think this odds are just not right.
Ferguson is always serious, he doesn't smile much before matches, and he is not going to give up easy.
I am predicting this to be long distance fight and it will go all three rounds, and this is best bet in this fight.

UFC 274 Multi Master Challenge competition is now available, and you can make predictions and win free bets from Sportsbet:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/sportsbetio-ufc-274-multi-master-challenge-saturday-5397178

There's also a boxing prediction contest too which looks like a big event in its own right. I hope the UFC won't be live while the boxing match is happening.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/sportsbetio-canelo-vs-bivol-prediction-contest-saturday-5397177

For the Multi Master I picked Oliveira but for this event's lottery ticket I got Gaethje. Dunno.. It feels like Gaethje is gonna catch Oliveira clean on the chin and knock him out.

Here are my lottery tickets...

Fialho - Royval - Chandler at 2.16: 10 USD
Add: Ivanov - Namajunas - OSP at 7.13: 5 USD
Add: Dumont - Brown at 20.53: 2 USD
Add: Godinez - Rodrigues - Roberts at 81.66: 2 USD
Add: Lauzon - Gatto - Garcia at 846.87: 1 USD
Add: Gaethje at 2108.72: 1 USD

Follow or fade but just a little warning... I lost for two straight events now. So it's better to fade. Cheesy

Press conference in 10 hours or so... Should be fun.

UFC 274: Press Conference
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Sl36zdb9co

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Quote from: YuginKadoya on May 05, 2022, 12:25:38 AM

Well, I might have said that I want Tony Ferguson to win this so his farewell fight would be a great remembrance for him, but basically, after seeing Michael Chandler over Tony Ferguson's latest pictures, I am seeing a Chandler win aswell, Tony's pictures seem ready to retire from the sports I don't see any heavy lifting and such and seems tired of this all, while Chandler is a bit look excited in what may happen inside the Octagon and pretty much he is ready to do it, Michael Chandler doesn't have the wrestling quality of Khabib Nurmagomenodov, but I really think he can out wrestle Ferguson.

Tony looks sad because of missing opportunities. He has been a marvellous fighter, but due to controversies with UFC (I remember he had hard times with Dana), he was either inactive for a long period or got opponents that he did not really want or victory over them did not give him much. How many times he had fights against Khabib cancelled? 3?

Or, he might be very tired due to weight cutting before this photo set. Or due to all these strikes to the face, he looks older than he really is.

I have sympathy to Tony, he is way better and interesting fighter than others in rooster. With his "ready to die in octagon", I feel really pity every time I see his bloody face in octagon.

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Quote from: Welsh on May 04, 2022, 12:04:05 PM

I can see Tony going to another organisation if the UFC aren't willing to offer him another contract, which I do doubt. Think he probably still has some fights in him, despite his dwindling ability, and obviously his age catching up with him. He just comes across as a man that loves the sport, and will probably be doing it for much longer than he really should be.

Yup, and that organization would be BKFC

Maybe Eagle would be putting up some interest for him, but PFL has a way too much strong competition and for some reason, Bellator and ONE are just not on the radar for most ex-UFC fighters.

Quote from: YuginKadoya on May 04, 2022, 10:11:58 AM

That is for sure, Khabib is genuine in my opinion, while I really don't want to compare them because they are not similar, well, Charles Oliveira is not looking tough anymore, not like in his recent years, but he can still execute pretty much crazy stunt to pull off a submission because his opponent pretty much has the advantage when it comes to striking, but Justin Gaethje is pretty much good at knocking out his opponent or he can also go the distance from round 4 to 5, and win it by decision, but I would not underestimate Charles Oliveira just yet,

I'll say it again, I think that whatever Justin does god, Olives does better (except for the knocking out part itself), and not only am I not counting him out, I actually think he will win this. Justin will have issues when the distance is closed for some dirty boxing that Oliveira likes to implement, grappling will be on Oliv's side and even some decent striking could be up to par with Justins.

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Quote from: Bttzed03 on May 05, 2022, 03:50:03 AM

Maybe not the same but he's got chin too. Looking back at his first title defense, Charles has taken some clean shots from Dustin.

I'm just going for gut feel this time and throw some money on Tony Ferguson @3.6 If he could survive the first two rounds without taking serious damage, he should be fine. I think he's got better cardio and he could capitalize on that in the later rounds.

Yeah, I think he has a chin, I mean the way he fights means if he didn't have a chin, he wouldn't have been champion anytime soon. So, by me saying he's a little chinny, maybe the opposite is true; he just leaves himself so exposed at times, it seems like he might be a little chinny, but ultimately he's very good at surviving those moments. Having said that, I do see him getting rocked at least once against Justin like I said. I rewatched the Poirier vs Justin fight the other night just for comparison. Both ultimately got rocked a few times.

I'm feeling a Chandler decision to be honest, despite the odds against it. Tony knows how to survive, and while he has been stopped more recently, I'm not sure if Chandler will have the power. He definitely does have the constant pressure though, so it's a risky bet, but with the odds right now a favourable one.

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Quote from: Welsh on May 04, 2022, 08:25:10 AM

~ and I'm not sure if Olivera has the chin that Poirier does.

Maybe not the same but he's got chin too. Looking back at his first title defense, Charles has taken some clean shots from Dustin.

I'm just going for gut feel this time and throw some money on Tony Ferguson @3.6 If he could survive the first two rounds without taking serious damage, he should be fine. I think he's got better cardio and he could capitalize on that in the later rounds.

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Quote from: Welsh on May 04, 2022, 12:04:05 PM

Quote from: YuginKadoya on May 04, 2022, 10:11:58 AM

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Yeah, I agree to an extent, but we'll probably see Tony looking to stand up, and Chandler will mix it up like he usually does. Chandler wins fights via pressure, constant pressure. I don't expect anything different so while he will definitely be looking for the knockout, he'll be shooting for take downs, and there will likely be a bit of grappling mixed in.

I can see Tony going to another organisation if the UFC aren't willing to offer him another contract, which I do doubt. Think he probably still has some fights in him, despite his dwindling ability, and obviously his age catching up with him. He just comes across as a man that loves the sport, and will probably be doing it for much longer than he really should be.

Ultimately, for this fight I don't see anything, but a Chandler win.

Well, I might have said that I want Tony Ferguson to win this so his farewell fight would be a great remembrance for him, but basically, after seeing Michael Chandler over Tony Ferguson's latest pictures, I am seeing a Chandler win aswell, Tony's pictures seem ready to retire from the sports I don't see any heavy lifting and such and seems tired of this all, while Chandler is a bit look excited in what may happen inside the Octagon and pretty much he is ready to do it, Michael Chandler doesn't have the wrestling quality of Khabib Nurmagomenodov, but I really think he can out wrestle Ferguson.

Quote from: TopTort777 on May 04, 2022, 02:06:46 PM

Check out recent Tony Ferguson photo few days before fight against Chandler. You know what I dont like about this picture ? There are no sparkles in Tony's eyes (and there are lots of pictures of smiling Chandler in UFC instagram). He looks old, and tired. I dont know how is he going to win with such attitude. I expect a hard beating for Tony. It will be hard to watch, as he wont tap.

That is a guy who is ready to retire, I don't see any passion anymore and he already knows that this is his last fight, that is why I really don't expect much from him, I will surely bet for Chandler if this is what I am seeing on Tony Ferguson's side, but my main focus will be on Charles Oliveira vs Justin Gaethje, and with the woman's strawweight Rose Namajunas vs Carla Esparza I will surely give my picks later,

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Quote from: TopTort777 on May 04, 2022, 02:06:46 PM

Check out recent Tony Ferguson photo few days before fight against Chandler. You know what I dont like about this picture ? There are no sparkles in Tony's eyes (and there are lots of pictures of smiling Chandler in UFC instagram). He looks old, and tired. I dont know how is he going to win with such attitude. I expect a hard beating for Tony. It will be hard to watch, as he wont tap.

I personally won't be reading much into this. Although, I don't expect Ferguson to win in the first place, so there's that. However, this might just be one of those things in the contract where they have to pose for a picture, and post it to their social media. A lot of the fighters aren't to keen on doing things like this for the media, obviously there are those that thrive on it, but Ferguson doesn't really strike me as one of them, and never has. Whereas, Chandler does like to play up to the camera a little more.

Again, wouldn't let this influence me on betting.

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