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November 27, 2021, 06:08:44 PM
News from UFC is that Beneil Dariush will fight Islam Makhachev as main event of UFC Fight Night on February 26, 2022!
This interesting fight is between number 3 and number 4 ranked fighter, so it's possible that we could see Justin Gaethje against winner of Charles Oliveira vs Dustin Poirier.
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November 27, 2021, 08:53:04 AM
Do people still want to see him win or lose?

People just want to see him. He is like a second part of a movie, sequel, another episode of tv series Cheesy They just want to know what kind of weird stuff he would do next. He is like an entertainment. Like visiting zoo. We just go there to see animals, but not to see how they hunt, fight for food and etc.

Personally, I am more interested to see him doing trash talk, act crazy during conference, make posts in twitter or instagram, after fight words. Then seeing him fighting, tactics, training.

I like all of your references, pertaining to Conor McGregor, I am on the I don't care side, he now has a screw loose and doesn't really know what to do anymore, it seems that Machine Gun Kelly and Francesco Facchinetti incident was more of a publicity stunt, but a mental disorder, I think he should look for a psychologist to be examined, or a friend to talk to, my opinion Conor McGregor might have a mental problem, maybe it worsen due to the loss he had with Dustin Poirier, he really doesn't want to accept that he truly lost to him, right now he is rank 9 in the lightweight division, he surely needs a fight that can get him back on track.
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November 27, 2021, 07:58:53 AM
Do people still want to see him win or lose?

People just want to see him. He is like a second part of a movie, sequel, another episode of tv series Cheesy They just want to know what kind of weird stuff he would do next. He is like an entertainment. Like visiting zoo. We just go there to see animals, but not to see how they hunt, fight for food and etc.

Personally, I am more interested to see him doing trash talk, act crazy during conference, make posts in twitter or instagram, after fight words. Then seeing him fighting, tactics, training.
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November 27, 2021, 06:15:36 AM
The skeptical me thinks that Michael Chandler is using Cowboy Cerrone’s strategy to make Conor choose him not only as the next opponent, but also the next to receive a healthy payment from uncle Dana hehehe.

It also appears that Chandler wants to retire after the clobbering he received from Justin Gaethje hehehe. He might he pondering for himself that he should be paid well for this because he will never be champion in the UFC.



UFC lightweight contender Michael Chandler has branded those who discredit former two-division champion Conor McGregor‘s abilities as a “casual” or a “hater.”

Source https://www.mmanews.com/2021/11/chandler-anyone-who-discredits-mcgregor-is-a-casual/



I wouldn't blame him, but for the life of me, I can't see why Conor is STILL the guy to call out. Is he really putting up such big viewing numbers? Do people still want to see him win or lose? I was under the impression people just didn't care anymore, and that was probably the worst place you want to be in. I don't know, I might be looking at this the wrong way, but I was a person who cared and I just don't care anymore, so I'm guessing most people are like that.
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November 27, 2021, 01:51:33 AM
^  I kinda thought Chimaev was nothing but a hyped prospect too until we all saw him matched up vs Li Jingliang and won and made it look really easy.  I mean think about it, he could take on most of those guys in the top 10 at 170.  Masvidal, Edwards, Thompson, Luque even Covington himself.  

But yeah..  Some rumor going around that it would be Burns next but I doubt he’ll be signing the contract.  Grin  That’s the thing with the UFC, ranked fighters tend to avoid young skilled prospects in fear of losing their rank.

Edit:  How would you guys line Chimaev vs Masvidal?  Just curious... 

If Burns would sign up a contract then that would be a good showcase for Khamzat Chimaev to really show what he can do because if he can not take on Gilbert Burn that lost to Kamaru Usman then what is the purpose of letting him fight for a title match, for me Colby Covington will be a pushover not really underestimating Covington but for me, I don't see him having a shot of dominating Khamzat Chimaev inside the octagon, whether it may be a stand-up or ground fight.

Don't get me wrong, I think he could potentially be something special. He's already pretty damn good, but I'm just not eager to jump the gun especially when he hasn't been tested in every way yet, especially when it comes to title talks. Considering Usman is also a pretty damn good wrestler, but also has the advantage of very good stand up.

I might be wrong, and I'll be happily wrong if it means the division comes a little more competitive, I'm all for that. I've just been sold on hype before, and it I've always got bitten in the arse, especially when it comes to betting.

Well, I really understand where you are getting this, and yes in gambling your picks in some mere hype over Khamzat Chimaev, is surely a gamble, and I truly respect what is your opinion,

But I have seen something from Chimaev not only because of the style of his fighting pretty much similar with Khabib Nurmagomedov, Islam Makachev, Magomed Ankalaev, and (Flyweight Khabib) Muhammad Mokaev. because all that fighters I think may bring potential to each division, but Khamzat Chimaev in my opinion has raw power, he might struggle with Gilbert Burns but I think he will likely shove this hurdle and win,

Anyway, pretty many fighters that specialize in Combat Sambo or Dagestan Wrestling could be a really tough opponent, that is why each of them tries to be indifferent division, just my thought.
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November 27, 2021, 12:13:10 AM
The skeptical me thinks that Michael Chandler is using Cowboy Cerrone’s strategy to make Conor choose him not only as the next opponent, but also the next to receive a healthy payment from uncle Dana hehehe.

It also appears that Chandler wants to retire after the clobbering he received from Justin Gaethje hehehe. He might he pondering for himself that he should be paid well for this because he will never be champion in the UFC.



UFC lightweight contender Michael Chandler has branded those who discredit former two-division champion Conor McGregor‘s abilities as a “casual” or a “hater.”

Source https://www.mmanews.com/2021/11/chandler-anyone-who-discredits-mcgregor-is-a-casual/

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November 26, 2021, 04:13:26 PM
^  I kinda thought Chimaev was nothing but a hyped prospect too until we all saw him matched up vs Li Jingliang and won and made it look really easy.  I mean think about it, he could take on most of those guys in the top 10 at 170.  Masvidal, Edwards, Thompson, Luque even Covington himself.  

But yeah..  Some rumor going around that it would be Burns next but I doubt he’ll be signing the contract.  Grin  That’s the thing with the UFC, ranked fighters tend to avoid young skilled prospects in fear of losing their rank.

Edit:  How would you guys line Chimaev vs Masvidal?  Just curious... 
Don't get me wrong, I think he could potentially be something special. He's already pretty damn good, but I'm just not eager to jump the gun especially when he hasn't been tested in every way yet, especially when it comes to title talks. Considering Usman is also a pretty damn good wrestler, but also has the advantage of very good stand up.

I might be wrong, and I'll be happily wrong if it means the division comes a little more competitive, I'm all for that. I've just been sold on hype before, and it I've always got bitten in the arse, especially when it comes to betting.
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November 26, 2021, 11:16:18 AM
About Ryan Hall, he was exposed in his last fight, but that alone would not be an issue. The thing is he is being figured out. I am a BJJ guy myself, and always rooted for Hall, but the infrequency of his fighting led him to get kinda left behind as fighters moved on in their styles, knowledge, and technics. Who knows, maybe he can pull something out of his ass for a couple of more fights and get a nice streak going.  
Yeah, if you can avoid the roll, and get out of the leg grab, you basically can unleash heavy fists on him without much coming back your way. Ryan Hall, is probably one of the only fighters I enjoy watching that is one dimensional. I don't mean he only knows the leg lock, as he's clearly a wizard on the ground hence the nickname, but he relies on his BJJ heavily, probably more than anyone else in the UFC.

I've been critical of other fighters that rely on one approach for example, Brady recently. However, I can't help but like Ryan Hall. I do think his previous fight was much harder than the one coming up though, so I'm hopeful on his chances despite his obvious short comings.

I guess I'm a fan just because I appreciate his skill on the mat, and I've also followed some of his courses that he does at his academy. Plus, is there anything more iconic than his confused looking shrug after he wins?

Oh definitely, still a fan, and I love his teaching style. I think I myself started rapidly blinking like him after I watched some of his instructionals XD And his ground game at the time was one of the best. That being said, there is less and less room for specialists in MMA, especially at this level. Fighters have been transitioning to a more versatile approach that does everything really good, but nothing exceptionally well. And Hall is, in some aspects, in a situation where leg lockers were 5 years ago when not many people were doing that, but, now people are catching on and a slight shift is occurring. Hall Isn't in Tristar anymore, right? Under Zahabi he really dialed in some of his striking.
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November 26, 2021, 08:58:33 AM
^  I kinda thought Chimaev was nothing but a hyped prospect too until we all saw him matched up vs Li Jingliang and won and made it look really easy.  I mean think about it, he could take on most of those guys in the top 10 at 170.  Masvidal, Edwards, Thompson, Luque even Covington himself.  

But yeah..  Some rumor going around that it would be Burns next but I doubt he’ll be signing the contract.  Grin  That’s the thing with the UFC, ranked fighters tend to avoid young skilled prospects in fear of losing their rank.

Edit:  How would you guys line Chimaev vs Masvidal?  Just curious... 
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November 26, 2021, 08:56:56 AM
I'm going to sound like an hypocrite here due to liking Ryan Hall, despite not being a very well rounded fighter in terms of MMA, but when it comes to Khamzat Chimaev we haven't seen enough of his other skills other than his wrestling, and if he has title aspirations, I don't think he can soley rely on his wrestling. I know I'm somewhat ignoring that for Ryan Hall above, but I don't expect Ryan Hall to ever challenge for anything, because he's simply not go enough as a overall fighter, but his BJJ on the mat is nothing short of incredible at times.

I'm not saying Chimaev isn't a promising fighter, because he clearly is, but I'm holding off getting too excited about him until I actually see him in a competitive fight, and one which is is forced to use alternative skills. Khabib despite being a great wrestler didn't rely on it completely, for example in the Justin Gaethje fight, and Mcgregor fight he actually did very well in the stand up against both guys. Yeah, he finished the fight via submissions, but he hurt both of them on the feet. More so Connor though.

Well, you can be right, and I may be wrong because I really think there is no fighter in UFC that can't be defeated  even Khabib Nurmagomenodov almost losses to Gleison Tibau and after watching that fight I really did think that Tibau won, even Khabib's Father was really surprised that Khabib did Win,

For me, I think Chimaev had a decent striking but has the power to knock out an opponent if you look at his fight with Ikram Aliskerov because of that Sambo Background Chimaev is having a hard time taking down Aliskerov that is why he resolves with taking Aliskerov into exchanging punches and kicks, and he ended in an uppercut that out cold Aliskerov in an instant, in my opinion, I am not really interested in the event of the UFC right now and would care to watch a Khamzat Chimaev VS Gildert Burns or Colby Covington fight than the Rob Font VS Jose Aldo fight.
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November 26, 2021, 02:51:22 AM
@Welsh. It appears you and Colby Covington certainly have very similar opinions on Khamzat Chimaev hehe. However, I am skeptical of his opinion. I reckon this might be a business or career decision if Colby demands the UFC to organize a fight with him versus Khamzat. It would be Colby’s short cut and be given the right to challenge for the welterweight championship again if he is the winner.

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November 25, 2021, 08:17:22 PM
I'm going to sound like an hypocrite here due to liking Ryan Hall, despite not being a very well rounded fighter in terms of MMA, but when it comes to Khamzat Chimaev we haven't seen enough of his other skills other than his wrestling, and if he has title aspirations, I don't think he can soley rely on his wrestling. I know I'm somewhat ignoring that for Ryan Hall above, but I don't expect Ryan Hall to ever challenge for anything, because he's simply not go enough as a overall fighter, but his BJJ on the mat is nothing short of incredible at times.

I'm not saying Chimaev isn't a promising fighter, because he clearly is, but I'm holding off getting too excited about him until I actually see him in a competitive fight, and one which is is forced to use alternative skills. Khabib despite being a great wrestler didn't rely on it completely, for example in the Justin Gaethje fight, and Mcgregor fight he actually did very well in the stand up against both guys. Yeah, he finished the fight via submissions, but he hurt both of them on the feet. More so Connor though.
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November 25, 2021, 07:59:51 PM
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He started wrestling when he was 5 years old, and he is a three-time Swedish National champion in wrestling. So, I agree with you when you say "he has the best grappling". I mean, it's not entirely surprising, right? Smiley
Swedish National Championship does not necessarily be the toughest competition but Khamzat Chimaev is from Chechnya and he won bronze medal at the Russian National Championships at junior level which is a really high level competition, so his level his much higher and the way in which he recently dominated Jack Hermansson in a wrestling match is more than enough to create fear on anyone fighting at Welterweight and Middle Weight.

Usmas is way more experienced than Chimaev. I think he is better at striking. If we cross out wrestling, Usman has more advantages.
 
When you compare experience there is no doubt that Kamaru Usman is superior, but he does not have one punch knockout power but Khamzat Chimaev showed his one punch knockout power and he are yet to see his striking potential nor his grappling level because he finishes the fights faster.
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November 25, 2021, 06:15:54 PM
About Ryan Hall, he was exposed in his last fight, but that alone would not be an issue. The thing is he is being figured out. I am a BJJ guy myself, and always rooted for Hall, but the infrequency of his fighting led him to get kinda left behind as fighters moved on in their styles, knowledge, and technics. Who knows, maybe he can pull something out of his ass for a couple of more fights and get a nice streak going.  
Yeah, if you can avoid the roll, and get out of the leg grab, you basically can unleash heavy fists on him without much coming back your way. Ryan Hall, is probably one of the only fighters I enjoy watching that is one dimensional. I don't mean he only knows the leg lock, as he's clearly a wizard on the ground hence the nickname, but he relies on his BJJ heavily, probably more than anyone else in the UFC.

I've been critical of other fighters that rely on one approach for example, Brady recently. However, I can't help but like Ryan Hall. I do think his previous fight was much harder than the one coming up though, so I'm hopeful on his chances despite his obvious short comings.

I guess I'm a fan just because I appreciate his skill on the mat, and I've also followed some of his courses that he does at his academy. Plus, is there anything more iconic than his confused looking shrug after he wins?
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November 25, 2021, 06:12:06 PM
^  Ryan Hall could win but I’m really not sure about that line at 1.45 and it’s 2.75 for Minner.  I mean especially after Hall was exposed by Ilia Topiria in their last match. I’d bet Hall at around 1.70 or better..  At the current line, no bueno.

Another interesting match up is O’Malley vs Paiva.  Seems like another good spot for the underdog...  And Kara France vs Garbrandt could be another underdog spot.  Can’t wait.  Smiley


Always worth betting Ryan Hall by submission I think, if there are any websites which allow me to bet on what type of submission, please let me know because for the foreseeable future I would chuck a leg lock submission down every single time on him.

Definitely was exposed, though it's nice to see him actually fighting somewhat regular again. I know everyone is loving O'Malley, but I actually think he's rather weak willed, and will be exposed as he climbs into the top fighters.


About Ryan Hall, he was exposed in his last fight, but that alone would not be an issue. The thing is he is being figured out. I am a BJJ guy myself, and always rooted for Hall, but the infrequency of his fighting led him to get kinda left behind as fighters moved on in their styles, knowledge, and technics. Who knows, maybe he can pull something out of his ass for a couple of more fights and get a nice streak going. 
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November 25, 2021, 05:09:29 PM
Kamaru Usman would still be a huge favorite in fight against Khamzat Chimaev, because he is a champion and he has much more experience in pro mma fighting.
He is seven years older and have slight reach advantage, but most important is that he had many fights with five rounds, and I think Chimaev never did that.
Usman just said that he broke his hand few weeks before fight with Colby Covington, he still won that fight so you know he is very hard to break.
It would be a great fight to watch and one that should not be missed.
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November 25, 2021, 03:43:26 PM

He started wrestling when he was 5 years old, and he is a three-time Swedish National champion in wrestling. So, I agree with you when you say "he has the best grappling". I mean, it's not entirely surprising, right? Smiley

This is why between Gilbert Burns if Chimaev would surely have a problem with Wrestling against Burns I think he may result in striking and I am very confident with the power of his striking, but I still think against Chimaev, Burns will surely have a hard time with his Chain Wrestling, and even if they are on the ringside it is still proven effective, that is why I am really confident on Khamzat Chimaev.

^  If Usman and Chimaev were to fight next, how would you line the fight or how do you think the sports betting sites will line it..?

I think they will open the market line right in the middle.  Prolly 1.90 - 2.00 for either one of them making it a coin flip.  Sharp money usually come first to find value but if lined in the middle, the sharps would not want to move the line first and give value to whoever becomes the underdog.  Chimaev could be that special.

I agree, if the hype on Chimaev is pretty huge it may come to that conclusion but I guess there is still a Kamaru Usman fan that may bet for him or believes in him, so it may also come to a close odds.
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November 25, 2021, 11:58:01 AM
^  If Usman and Chimaev were to fight next, how would you line the fight or how do you think the sports betting sites will line it..?

I think they will open the market line right in the middle.  Prolly 1.90 - 2.00 for either one of them making it a coin flip.  Sharp money usually come first to find value but if lined in the middle, the sharps would not want to move the line first and give value to whoever becomes the underdog.  Chimaev could be that special.
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November 25, 2021, 08:02:39 AM
My 2 cents on a possible Usman vs Chimaev fight:

Usmas is better at striking. Trevor Wittman is a god of coaching striking. He helped Usman to get on first place on pound for pound rating. Chimaev trains striking with Alexander Gustafsson coach. Anyone remember Gustafsson being a top striker?

Wrestling. No doubt that Chimaev is good. But Usmans main fighting style is wrestling also, plus black belt in BJJ. Most of Chimaev opponent were not wrestlers on the first place. Chimaev has fought only once against pure wrestler - Ikram Askerov. They have found on Brave. Askerov is from combat sambo. Yes he has lost via knockout, but Chimaevs wrestling did not work in that fight. If you happened to find this fight in the Internet, you would see that Askerov countered every wrestling skills of Chimaev. So I would not rely on Chimaevs wrestling much.

Usmas is way more experienced than Chimaev. I think he is better at striking. If we cross out wrestling, Usman has more advantages.

P.S. I have updated current UFC event post with fight.
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November 25, 2021, 05:36:32 AM
Important thing about Chimaev - we do not know anything about his cardio. He never fought longer than 2 rounds or longer than 7 minutes.~

Yeah, there's the most liked comment below one video of his recent fight that goes like "Tell Chimaev that in addition to the first round, there are others too."  Grin  But jokes aside, with all due respect to the great fighter Kamaru Usman, I think Chimaev can beat him.

Btw, here's the newest interview with Usman(click on the image):




He is so confident and so relaxed, you can't stop loving this guy.

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That is why I really think that Khamzat Chimaev is a promising fighter and needs a title shot that he wants and if he wants it then he surely deserves it, That power he has with his grappling I think he has the best grappling in the division no doubt about it.

He started wrestling when he was 5 years old, and he is a three-time Swedish National champion in wrestling. So, I agree with you when you say "he has the best grappling". I mean, it's not entirely surprising, right? Smiley
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