Topic: The UFC Info and Prediction Thread - page 374. (Read 97129 times)

Even Jake got more attention today, he may have people backing him for this but it may not make Dana agree still to what he wants.
Although there are MMA fighters agreeing with what he is saying about that minimum salary, Dana will not just allow that after all the fighters are signing contracts, and at the end of the day it's business for Dana. Mark Hunt is just an example of what Dana can do which is on the news that he is now dropping the lawsuit.

Jake Paul created a very funny video saying that if he is being challenged to take a test for steroids then all UFC fighters must also take the tests for steriods hehe. However, does USADA not test the fighters in the UFC for steriods already?

He also was telling everyone that uncle Dana should increase the minimum salary in the UFC from $12,000 to $50,000. It appears that he is getting the attention to increase his popularity and the potential earnings from his fights in the future hehehe.



My response to Dana Whites embarrassing response.

https://mobile.twitter.com/jakepaul/status/1477591772683505666?s=12

Just to play devil's advocate here. It isn't uncommon for lower professional athletes to be paid significantly lesser amounts. Take football, and the English Premier league in comparison to the Conference leagues or even lower. These fighters that need other jobs are likely considered semi professionals akin to that of a lot of the players in the lower leagues of football.

I will give it to you, fighters need to pay for their coaching, and training themselves. Where, in a lot of other sports its via the teams funds rather than the individual. Though, coming back to boxing I know of several boxers who when they first signed a contract, were working another job. Joe Calzaghe I believe one was one of the big boxers to talk about his early life as a boxer, and how he was still working at the time, and he went on to make it big time.

I'm absolutely not defending Dana here, and I think they probably need to be paid a lot more than they are rumoured to be paid, but I also have a slight issue with how much boxers make, especially when its only a select few while the others get comparably nothing.

I really doubt Charles Oliveira would give Conor McGregor his advantage, and I think he would surely know his disadvantage on fighters before their fight and will surely change his tactics in his Dustin Poirier fight he knew that Dustin is committing power in every shot, and with his counter shots, so he can execute that move to go behind Poirier, I think Oliveira is a thinking fighter that is why he is calling out McGregor he surely has a plan for him,

For me, I am fully convinced on Ciryl Gane, that he can outmaneuver Francis Ngannou in this fight, Even though Francis Ngannou can perfectly time his heavy punch on Ngannou and Ngannou has a destructive power to last just 1 punch on Gane and this is over, I would still go with the technical fighter, Ciryl Gane, you sure have a Heavyweight fighter but moves like a Light Heavyweight is sure surprising and that is why I would surely bet for Gane, and I have watched the Derrick Lewis fight again and there is no doubt he surely have punching power because I am doubting his strength to TKO an opponent and all of that change when he shut down Lewis.

Why are you comparing MMA fighters from top league like UFC with prelim boxing fighters?
Believe it or not I know some small league MMA fighters who are fighting for few hundred dollars or euros, and they can't survive from that so they need to work regular job.
Only going to some serious MMA competition can give them finance for training camps, that are more expensive from boxing simply because MMA fighters need to prepare in multiple sports and coaches.
It's not easy to find one coach and sparring partners in multiple combat sports, so they hire separate sparring partners and coaches for boxing, kick boxing, jiujitsu, wrestling...

Read why boxers make more money than mma fighters, and you can see that average paycheck is much higher in boxing:


https://www.bloodyelbow.com/2016/8/23/12512178/why-do-boxers-make-more-than-mma-fighters
 

I also agree with you that Connor might win against Oliviera.
As you said, Oliviera tends to start slow but it might cost him the match against Connor as Connor hits quite hard and he might even get KO'ed.
So, unless Oliviera changes his approach strategy, I think that Connor will have the upper hand in the fight. But all in all, hoping for an entertaining match.

Hearing rumours about Conor fighting Oliveria, which would be an absolute disgrace that he's even given the chance, but I actually think Conor would beat Oliveria. Simply, because Olvieria tends to start slow, and eats a lot of shots. You can't do that against Conor, and unless Oliveria goes for the take down right away, he would likely get finished in the first. Oliveria has shown he likes to stand toe to toe with fighters before taking them down to the ground which would be my concern about him. Hopefully, it doesn't happen because it would be a disgrace.

I'm thinking of putting a bet on Gane to win against Ngannou, and whatever the outcome is then I'd be happy since I quite like having Ngannou as the champion, and I'm not fully convinced of Gane yet, but considering the odds are 1.90 a piece Gane is actually a pretty decent bet I think. I expected smaller odds for him.

Well, you might be right, and UFC is like a child to other sports and to more well-known combat like boxing it sure still strive to go beyond, but maybe a little anchovy to the pizza or whip cream to the cake could not hurt Dana White in his I am the owner of UFC thing I can do anything, sure enough, he has authority to every fighter UFC have but just doesn't treat them as playthings, or just dispensable things but I wish there will be a time that it will surely come.

And just in, with the upcoming fight of Francis Ngannou and Ciryl Gane Ngannou's contract is about to go final and his last appearance will be on UFC 270 if he doesn't sign the contract, and Ngannou has a blazing desire to pursue his boxing aspiration and he wants to face Deontay Wilder or Tyson Fury two of the best boxer in the heavyweight, well let's just wait if what kind of Boxer Francis Ngannoue could become, or if he's going to be on the UFC side,

I thought they have lots of possibilities after learning things in UFC like being a nutritionist or gym trainor, coach or something like that? I've read that from TopTort's post which they do have lots of optionels I guess Kay Hansen has another option in mind. She's beautiful though can't say she will not earn a lot with Onlyfans. It seem to be the trend these days.

Celebrities seems to be going to that path too. Some of these celebrities even accepts escort jobs they are just discreet.

That's something that a Fighters Union could regulate so that the fighters themselves will not have to prostitute themselves. Sure, MMA is a relatively young sport and with that in mind, it just didn't have the time to get to the business level the other sports got to, even tho it had a fairly quick surge in popularity. MMA organizations, and UFC in particular, are playing catch up to their popularity, and I am guessing the old guard of MMA organization brass has to die out before things change.

This is the problem, now fighters try to exploit themselves where the money is because their paycheck in the industry is not that much to make them satisfy, although I like Onlyfans this is the big reality UFC is facing right now where a combat sport that is life-changing and life-threatening to most fighters is not cut for a lifetime hospital bill will surely get us to wonder why other sports can give their players a cut befitting to a lifetime change, that is because of greed I don't really like to continue because I love UFC especially watching it, and I owe it to my boy Dana White, but they need to realize something.


That given image of Mayweather tends to give an idea to the Paul brothers in doing events like this, and sure their boxing is amazing and they keep on proving this even though their opponent is not pure boxing they get to show their skills, and yeah this sometimes hype some curious audience. 


The conspiracy will always stay as a conspiracy until proven legit, let's just leave it to that.


This goes to show how good Mayweather is thinking ways how to increase his profit, and I think a good start is to think and be like Bob Arum but at the safe time promoting himself and the Moniker Money has attracted other boxers to fight him because the money is him,

Oh, don't get me wrong, I am not saying that fighters that hype an event with their talk don't deliver. In 90% of cases, they surely do. I am talking about people being drawn to the sport on that alone and then come to find out that most fighters actually do not hype fights, and in fact, some fights tend to be on a more technical, less entertaining side, so to speak. And that turns them away because they expected something else.

They'd have to have thier own Connor walk to really make the fans excited.  Floyd brings his celeb friends to his side upon going to the cage such as 50cents for a grand entrance. They don't do these stunts anymore, Anderson Silva singing that "Ain't no sunshine" while dancing ala Micheal Jackson impresses the audience like they are in the WWE.

This shows the character of the fighter. This one if the best example of it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nhsuypE7DQ

The fighters should promote themselves and make sure the audience will stay tuned to watch the fight, either to see them loose or to see them win. Paul brothers are playing the character or Mayweatger started to play the money character so that the fans would get excited to watch the fight. 

Tyron Woodley who could win the fight against Jake Paul and extend his boxing career instead he took money to get a hard shot in the face and fall face first in the canvas unconscious, what a joke. These conspiracy theories that does not make any sense .

There was a time when Floyd Mayweather was winning belts and no one really cared about watching his fights nor he was the main event. He found success after changing his moniker Pretty boy to money and started showing off his wealth leaving Bob Arum and creating his own promotion changed his fortunes.

The same can be said about Colby Covington, he was the nicest person in the world and no one really cared whether he is fighting or not and he was supposed to be cut from the UFC even though he was winning after the Demian Maia fight in Brazil, but he cut a promo changing his attitude and personality in Brazil and he became the most hated person in MMA but he kept his job and started earning more money. Sometimes you need to do things as an entertainer to make money. Some do it in a subtle way, while some go the extreme route.

I was reading the arguments on fighter salaries and payments and I reckon that we should be happy that uncle Dana does not pay them much money or else we would not have this woman MMA fighter create her own Onlyfans account hehehee.

This is Kay Hansen. She will be champion in her weight division.

https://onlyfans.com/kayhansenmma

https://www.reddit.com/r/KayHansenNSFW/

Well, a very common behavior, many would like to see the underdog strive right, but the good thing about this is for bettors they will cash in a remarkable amount of money when the underdog did win, but for Floyd Mayweather case, and Jake or Logan Paul their attitude image was the one people doesn't really like, and they are paying some money to see them fall, and sometimes they would consider hyping their fights by mocking their opponents,

Some issues say that Jake Paul has paid a huge amount of money to Woodley to just lose in that fight, but I don't really know if this is true or not, but many that known Tyron Woodley said that he can sure beat Jake Paul if he likes it, but that's not what happens, and they think that Woodley is not himself,

And I don't like Floyd Mayweather either, his behavior and attitude was the trigger for a better hype but yes it really goes below the belt sometimes, but the moniker money is sure true if any boxer or fighter wants a huge amount of money they will need to fight Floyd Mayweather, Manny Pacquiao, Tyson Fury, Deontay Wilder, well-known boxer for an exhibition match it will surely get tons of PPV.

@tokeweed, I agree with you. It's not like the fighters only do the talking outside the ring, they even deliver the entertainment in the ring.
So I wouldn't say that UFC is washed out or something. Although I can say that most people watch the high voltage matches having the bigger names, but I also enjoy watching the new fighters or lesser-known fighters.

Seriously, I'm guilty for this at times. When we see a card full of prospects, and doesn't have any big names we usually sigh, and complain about it. Though, often these are usually the most balanced fights, and has fighters actually fighting to earn a living so we usually see some absolute awesome fights.

Boxing is an absolute bore, until you get to certain big fighters against big fighters. The problem is; those big fights don't exactly happen that often in boxing, which means your watching a hyped up fighter, bash on unproven journeyman for much of their career. Then the bigger fights avoid each other because their teams want to keep the hype train running, which then spoils it for the fans.

This is a common factor among people that they want the underdog in the fight to win. Maybe this is common human behavior.

But I, for myself, don't like Floyd's behavior at all. Having an aggressive attitude for fighters is okay, but there's a limit to it and he often crosses it. But whichever the reason why people watch him, at the end of the day he is the money-maker and there is no denying it. But, it would be a pleasure to watch him lose.

^  Sure some fighters in the UFC do a lot of talking to hype the event.  But it doesn’t mean the matches don’t deliver full on action and entertainment.  And that’s the same whether it’s a PPV card or a regular fight night card.  A lot of times, it’s the regular fight night cards that surprise everybody in entertainment value even though name value is low.  I can’t say the same for boxing.  Boxing is like watching paint dry.  So boring now with the advent of MMA.  But I do watch the big match ups.