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January 06, 2022, 06:48:18 PM

I do wonder how much real power, especially in those aspects of the business, does Dana have since 2016 when UFC was sold. I always thought he had a symbolic role, a sort of a head honcho spokesperson for the company, and that all the other major decisions go through Endeavor, especially as they bought out the full control over UFC in 2021. And you know Ari Emanuel likes to have firm control over his bussines. Dana surely has some merit and people do listen to him, but I doubt he has the final say in things like this.

He is the Owner sure he would defend fighter pay that is all flag out on the internet, and I think Dana White is the one in control he is the face of UFC and I think Ari Emanuel is trusting him mostly with the decision, surely they will, and I don't want any further topic about this anymore, I do conclude they can sure do anything they want this is their company and we can not compare different sport payments to players with the UFC because they had different situations.


Her's a great boxer, no doubt about it, but looking at his boxing record, Total fights: 50, Wins:   50, Wins by KO:27, Losses: 0, I think he should be extremely thankful to have such good managers throughout his career. On the other hand, it wasn't only because of luck that he got them. He was born into a family of boxers, his father and uncles were professionals, so surely they had right connections. And, of course, he's a genius himself, a hard working one, you can't take that away from him.

Surely enough he has that reputation, and no doubt he is a great boxer and with his very clean record surely thing that is not all just dumb luck, you can not have all luck with boxing they sure need hard work and connection to surely get on top, without any lost records on your scorecard, pretty much Floyd Mayweather is pretty careful on what he is doing towards his career, and I sure understand why he keeps on not accepting fights with Pacquiao back then I think he is pretty Cautious in who's gonna fight.
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January 06, 2022, 02:46:16 PM
Forgot to congratulate you guys with Christmas and Happy New Year, sorry Cheesy

As the year 2022 started, and while we are waiting for first UFC events this year, I suggest you to make a discussion about the fight that according to you must happen this year.

We already know about Ngannou vs Gane, Adesanya vs Whittaker 2, Makhachev vs Dariush. But I expect Chimaev to fight against someone from top3 in welterweight. New Conor fight. Love to see the test of new light heavy chamption and Yan vs Sterling. Havent seen Jon Jones for a long time. Would love to see him in heavyweight finally.

The fight between Ngannou and Gane is the fight that I am most looking forward to at UFC 270 later, Ngannou is currently in a pretty good performance as a heavyweight belt holder in the UFC, Ngannou until now has managed to maintain his victory after he last time lost in 2018, and I think Gane will be a pretty balanced opponent for Ngannou, because so far Gane also has a pretty good fighting record and Gane has managed to be unbeaten in his last 10 fights.
Of course, it will be very interesting to see who will be the best of the two fighters, especially since the fight will be a battle for the world heavyweight title between Ngannou (heavyweight belt holder) and Gane (interim belt holder).
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January 06, 2022, 11:58:10 AM
I'm actually only really interested in the fight with Jon Jones, and Ngannou. My response above was in align with the assumption that Gane beats Ngannou. Though, that's definitely not a guarantee, its just my gut feeling. I'm not interested in Jon Jones becoming a champion, I don't particularly like the guy for his out of the cage antics, he's just a good fighter, and I think Ngannou has the best chance of knocking him out. Think hes too good for Gane, as Gane only has the technical side over Ngannou. However, Ngannou will always have a chance with the amount of power he possess against both Gane, and Jon Jones.
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January 06, 2022, 10:03:12 AM
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Chuck Jon Jones in with the loser of the fight with Gane, and Ngannou. I don't really support the idea he gets a title shot after such a long period of inactivity. So, put him in with the loser, and if wins, then he gets his title shot. Not sure, we'll ever see him back in the UFC though, probably demanding too much money for Dana, and I think he quite likes being considered one of the best with one of the better records of the UFC, also don't think he quite fancies himself against the current heavyweights.
Jon Jones is not a model fighter outside the cage, but in skills inside the arena and his basically undefeated streak is more than enough to get a title shot at Heavy Weight division when he moves up. He basically cleaned up the Light Heavy weight division multiple times and there is nothing for him to prove his worth and we all know as fans that no one could challenge him in this division and the only challenge comes if he moves up and that is what everyone is anticipating for years.



Yup.  I guess when it comes to Jon Jones I’m pretty curious how he’d do vs the likes of Gane or Ngannou, the top two guys at HW.  I mean I’d lean ‘maybe’ he’ll do well vs Gane but prime Jones of old would beat Gane any day imho.  Ngannou is something else.  I think the Ngannou after the rematch vs Miocic would mop the floor with Jones.  Lol.

Just a reminder...  Watch this vid.  Everybody who wasn’t convinced, including me, was convinced.

UFC Free Fight:  Ngannou vs Miocic 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2HlMuj9LgU

Anyway...  10 days to got til we go the UFC back on!  

You are probably right on that one. What's really a telling sign could be Jon's inactivity. For a fight against Ngannou, he would have to be on a better track record than one fight per year, because he really wouldn't be able to afford any mistakes. And when I say more activity, I mean more activity in that weight class with that weight on himself to test out the cardio in real-time, to see what adjustments need to be made to accomodate additional muscles and fat. So there's a lot here to calculate. But as far as I see it, I don't see it happening. I have no idea if we will even see Jon back. Back as his former self.
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January 06, 2022, 10:02:57 AM

Just a reminder...  Watch this vid.  Everybody who wasn’t convinced, including me, was convinced.

UFC Free Fight:  Ngannou vs Miocic 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2HlMuj9LgU

Anyway...  10 days to got til we go the UFC back on!  



The only question mark on the Ngannou vs Miocic 2 fight is whether Ngannou was indeed getting tired as Stipe claimed he was.

If Jon Jones has advantages over current era heavyweights it could be his reach, cardio and endurance. Jon Jones has never looked more tired than any of his opponents in a fight.

The problem for Jones is his cardio and endurance could translate to him being less explosive and lacking the big knockout power many heavyweights have.

If Jones fought Ngannou his gameplan might have to be one where he tries to get Ngannou tired or fustrated. He might not be able to brawl or go head to head with some of the bigger and more explosive HWs.
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January 06, 2022, 07:09:36 AM
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Chuck Jon Jones in with the loser of the fight with Gane, and Ngannou. I don't really support the idea he gets a title shot after such a long period of inactivity. So, put him in with the loser, and if wins, then he gets his title shot. Not sure, we'll ever see him back in the UFC though, probably demanding too much money for Dana, and I think he quite likes being considered one of the best with one of the better records of the UFC, also don't think he quite fancies himself against the current heavyweights.
Jon Jones is not a model fighter outside the cage, but in skills inside the arena and his basically undefeated streak is more than enough to get a title shot at Heavy Weight division when he moves up. He basically cleaned up the Light Heavy weight division multiple times and there is nothing for him to prove his worth and we all know as fans that no one could challenge him in this division and the only challenge comes if he moves up and that is what everyone is anticipating for years.



Yup.  I guess when it comes to Jon Jones I’m pretty curious how he’d do vs the likes of Gane or Ngannou, the top two guys at HW.  I mean I’d lean ‘maybe’ he’ll do well vs Gane but prime Jones of old would beat Gane any day imho.  Ngannou is something else.  I think the Ngannou after the rematch vs Miocic would mop the floor with Jones.  Lol.

Just a reminder...  Watch this vid.  Everybody who wasn’t convinced, including me, was convinced.

UFC Free Fight:  Ngannou vs Miocic 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2HlMuj9LgU

Anyway...  10 days to got til we go the UFC back on!  
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January 05, 2022, 08:32:00 PM
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Chuck Jon Jones in with the loser of the fight with Gane, and Ngannou. I don't really support the idea he gets a title shot after such a long period of inactivity. So, put him in with the loser, and if wins, then he gets his title shot. Not sure, we'll ever see him back in the UFC though, probably demanding too much money for Dana, and I think he quite likes being considered one of the best with one of the better records of the UFC, also don't think he quite fancies himself against the current heavyweights.
Jon Jones is not a model fighter outside the cage, but in skills inside the arena and his basically undefeated streak is more than enough to get a title shot at Heavy Weight division when he moves up. He basically cleaned up the Light Heavy weight division multiple times and there is nothing for him to prove his worth and we all know as fans that no one could challenge him in this division and the only challenge comes if he moves up and that is what everyone is anticipating for years.

After Nganouu loses against Lewis he doesn't look good at being a moneymaker anymore but the matchup with Jones will likely make millions on PPV while Dana not paying much for Nganou or Gane. So yeah why not moving up for a belt will be good. I hope they first build up a good reputation for Jones this time, making him at least look regretful what he did in the past.

Some exciting fights to watch out and can't wait to see Sterling vs Yan 2 and  Volkanovski vs Holloway 3.
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January 05, 2022, 07:29:51 PM
Jon Jones is not a model fighter outside the cage, but in skills inside the arena and his basically undefeated streak is more than enough to get a title shot at Heavy Weight division when he moves up. He basically cleaned up the Light Heavy weight division multiple times and there is nothing for him to prove his worth and we all know as fans that no one could challenge him in this division and the only challenge comes if he moves up and that is what everyone is anticipating for years.
Seems a right idiot outisde the cage. I just took a look at his record, and his last fight was in 2020, why does it seem longer than that to me? Feels like its been forever since we've seen him fight. I'm not going to deny that he pretty much cleaned up the entire division, and current champs. Beating DC until it was over turned, I think if I remember correctly for an illegal substance? Maybe, you're right. roughly two years isn't a awful amount of time out, though it does mean he hasn't even faced most of the current ranked names in the UFC. I know he'll likely get a title fight if he does return, and he'll probably fare pretty well against the current champion, and any possible short term champ.

I fully support the idea of moving up, that's if he does return. I'm just sure if his behaviour would be tolerated by the UFC if it was anyone else, but Conor or Bones too be honest. I think the bigger names get a little bit of a leeway there. I'm just not sure moving up, and getting a title fight is just too much. I know that's where the money is for Dana, can't have him losing against someone who isn't the current champ.

However, when is it too long for a fighter to have an extended period of time out, and not get a title fight?
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January 05, 2022, 06:35:26 PM
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Chuck Jon Jones in with the loser of the fight with Gane, and Ngannou. I don't really support the idea he gets a title shot after such a long period of inactivity. So, put him in with the loser, and if wins, then he gets his title shot. Not sure, we'll ever see him back in the UFC though, probably demanding too much money for Dana, and I think he quite likes being considered one of the best with one of the better records of the UFC, also don't think he quite fancies himself against the current heavyweights.
Jon Jones is not a model fighter outside the cage, but in skills inside the arena and his basically undefeated streak is more than enough to get a title shot at Heavy Weight division when he moves up. He basically cleaned up the Light Heavy weight division multiple times and there is nothing for him to prove his worth and we all know as fans that no one could challenge him in this division and the only challenge comes if he moves up and that is what everyone is anticipating for years.

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January 05, 2022, 03:42:22 PM
Her's a great boxer, no doubt about it, but looking at his boxing record, Total fights: 50, Wins:   50, Wins by KO:27, Losses: 0, I think he should be extremely thankful to have such good managers throughout his career. On the other hand, it wasn't only because of luck that he got them. He was born into a family of boxers, his father and uncles were professionals, so surely they had right connections. And, of course, he's a genius himself, a hard working one, you can't take that away from him.
I think it's the same thing with heavyweight champion Tyson Fury, he is amazing fighter but genetics helped a lot because his family is all doing boxing, I think one of his uncles or grandparent was local boxing champ.
His younger brother is boxer and I think that one of his children will continue this legacy.
It's combination of hard work, talent, genetics and a pinch of luck to be undefeated champion in any sport...
Maybe Khabib would be one good MMA example, we know his father was great in combat sports and he was a great coach for him.
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January 05, 2022, 01:48:18 PM
Michele Pereira, this man is honestly built different, I think he would finish in one round with a barrage, with strikes, kicks, elbow, knees or whatever he can do to knock out his opponent. The main event is nothing special to the upcoming event for the rest of the January, but I expect Kattar to come out and try to prove himself after his devastating lost with Holloway, if that doesn't go as planned then it might be begining of the ending for Kattar. Therefore I do think that this week's main event won't be special but I would be looking forward to the co-main event more. It might decide the future for Kattar though. ((Not the most exciting cards that we might have for the January but might be some knockout for sure)) Keep your eyes for news on Dustin Poirier vs Nate Diaz, hopefully this fight can finalize, what do you think ?
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January 05, 2022, 08:39:55 AM
Oohh, I remembered, Amanda Nunes vs Julianna Pena 2 would be an interesting fight to watch. Just curious if Pena is really that good or something has happened to Nunes as she has tapped very quickly. Or this were bookies and White voodoo (odds on Pena were 6+) magic that caused Nunes to lose. Besides this possible fight, women mma still does not generate any interest to me.
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January 05, 2022, 07:50:50 AM
As the year 2022 started, and while we are waiting for first UFC events this year, I suggest you to make a discussion about the fight that according to you must happen this year.
Chuck Jon Jones in with the loser of the fight with Gane, and Ngannou. I don't really support the idea he gets a title shot after such a long period of inactivity. So, put him in with the loser, and if wins, then he gets his title shot. Not sure, we'll ever see him back in the UFC though, probably demanding too much money for Dana, and I think he quite likes being considered one of the best with one of the better records of the UFC, also don't think he quite fancies himself against the current heavyweights.
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January 05, 2022, 06:44:43 AM
Forgot to congratulate you guys with Christmas and Happy New Year, sorry Cheesy

As the year 2022 started, and while we are waiting for first UFC events this year, I suggest you to make a discussion about the fight that according to you must happen this year.

We already know about Ngannou vs Gane, Adesanya vs Whittaker 2, Makhachev vs Dariush. But I expect Chimaev to fight against someone from top3 in welterweight. New Conor fight. Love to see the test of new light heavy chamption and Yan vs Sterling. Havent seen Jon Jones for a long time. Would love to see him in heavyweight finally.
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January 05, 2022, 06:23:17 AM
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The "MONEY" Mayweather sure could earn that high in just 1 fight the word Money is accompanied in his name that is why many boxers sure want to really fight him, and even they attain a lost to Mayweather they would surely gain enough money to sustain themselves and their family,

But we can not compare the average profit in UFC and with boxing, if we compare both events boxing events tend to have just 3 to 1 fights only while in the UFC, 1 event could have a potential of more than 10 fights per event, so the event money gains will be divided by each fighter, but the sad truth is Dana White is the one getting a huge sum in every event per Pay Per View, anyway, we can not compare every profit in the UFC with an exhibition match in a Jake Paul match because all the sum of money they would get will be divided in each fighter, plus the show money a fighter can get, well even though a fighter loss they still get a large sum of money right.

Happy New Year To all

Her's a great boxer, no doubt about it, but looking at his boxing record, Total fights: 50, Wins:   50, Wins by KO:27, Losses: 0, I think he should be extremely thankful to have such good managers throughout his career. On the other hand, it wasn't only because of luck that he got them. He was born into a family of boxers, his father and uncles were professionals, so surely they had right connections. And, of course, he's a genius himself, a hard working one, you can't take that away from him.
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January 04, 2022, 09:24:30 AM
Jake Paul created a very funny video saying that if he is being challenged to take a test for steroids then all UFC fighters must also take the tests for steriods hehe. However, does USADA not test the fighters in the UFC for steriods already?
He also was telling everyone that uncle Dana should increase the minimum salary in the UFC from $12,000 to $50,000. It appears that he is getting the attention to increase his popularity and the potential earnings from his fights in the future hehehe.

This guy just wanted to further expand his popularity by talking some rubbish to some known people where he can be the topic of the users in the social media. We all know this guy has nothing on his sleeves as a boxer, what more if he steps in the ring as a mixed martial artist? The test should come from a trustworthy company that will never accept any bribes from anyone because looks like this guy are hiding something. They should not worry about his opinion cause it's all rubbish anyway.
I'm sick of all the mess jake paul keeps doing in fighting sports nowadays, every controversy that happens will surely continue to raise his popularity as a celebrity like his recent debate with Dana White, I think every win he's had so far is challenging Retired fighters are not clean fights and if there were fighters who really didn't want Jake Paul money, then Jake Paul would be in the hospital as a result of that fight.
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January 04, 2022, 06:46:51 AM
Jake Paul again… The guy is trying to jump off his skin to gain more attention and popularity. This is all due to low ppv amount sold in his last fight. If he wants to test ufc fighters for using steroids, why dont he fight a real professional boxer if wants to looks and act like such a professional athlete.

Jake wants to fight Masvidal and ask if Dana would allow Masvidal to have a boxing fight. Jake should just fill https://www.ufc.com.br/news/apply-be-fighter/ pass the test and become a fighter. Win some fight, get in top and earn a fight with Masvidal.
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January 04, 2022, 06:08:31 AM
Jake Paul created a very funny video saying that if he is being challenged to take a test for steroids then all UFC fighters must also take the tests for steriods hehe. However, does USADA not test the fighters in the UFC for steriods already?
He also was telling everyone that uncle Dana should increase the minimum salary in the UFC from $12,000 to $50,000. It appears that he is getting the attention to increase his popularity and the potential earnings from his fights in the future hehehe.

This guy just wanted to further expand his popularity by talking some rubbish to some known people where he can be the topic of the users in the social media. We all know this guy has nothing on his sleeves as a boxer, what more if he steps in the ring as a mixed martial artist? The test should come from a trustworthy company that will never accept any bribes from anyone because looks like this guy are hiding something. They should not worry about his opinion cause it's all rubbish anyway.
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January 04, 2022, 05:03:20 AM
This is the problem, now fighters try to exploit themselves where the money is because their paycheck in the industry is not that much to make them satisfy, although I like Onlyfans this is the big reality UFC is facing right now where a combat sport that is life-changing and life-threatening to most fighters is not cut for a lifetime hospital bill will surely get us to wonder why other sports can give their players a cut befitting to a lifetime change, that is because of greed I don't really like to continue because I love UFC especially watching it, and I owe it to my boy Dana White, but they need to realize something.

That's something that a Fighters Union could regulate so that the fighters themselves will not have to prostitute themselves. Sure, MMA is a relatively young sport and with that in mind, it just didn't have the time to get to the business level the other sports got to, even tho it had a fairly quick surge in popularity. MMA organizations, and UFC in particular, are playing catch up to their popularity, and I am guessing the old guard of MMA organization brass has to die out before things change.

Well, you might be right, and UFC is like a child to other sports and to more well-known combat like boxing it sure still strive to go beyond, but maybe a little anchovy to the pizza or whip cream to the cake could not hurt Dana White in his I am the owner of UFC thing I can do anything, sure enough, he has authority to every fighter UFC have but just doesn't treat them as playthings, or just dispensable things but I wish there will be a time that it will surely come.


I do wonder how much real power, especially in those aspects of the business, does Dana have since 2016 when UFC was sold. I always thought he had a symbolic role, a sort of a head honcho spokesperson for the company, and that all the other major decisions go through Endeavor, especially as they bought out the full control over UFC in 2021. And you know Ari Emanuel likes to have firm control over his bussines. Dana surely has some merit and people do listen to him, but I doubt he has the final say in things like this.
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January 04, 2022, 02:35:37 AM
No they’re not and I was just trying to point that out from your other post when you said UFC fighters spend more for training camps than what they earn in the UFC.  That’s just plain wrong.  And to think about it, the prelim boxers have it way worse cos a lot of them earn 1k, less than 1k and they have to pay for training camp and travel themselves...  And worse of it is they have to scrounge around for sponsors.  In the UFC, it’s all taken care off by the company.
Why are you comparing MMA fighters from top league like UFC with prelim boxing fighters?





Because the root of the issue of this convo is ‘Dana White and the UFC don’t pay the fighters in their roster enough money.’.  Which is really not true...

And here’s a somehwhat old article that kinda does a good job breaking down fighter pay in the UFC.

https://wayofmartialarts.com/how-much-money-do-mma-fighters-in-the-ufc-make/

Prelim fighters actually do better in the UFC compared to most prelim fighters in boxing.  Now...  I can’t speak for the rest of MMA like Bellator, ONE or some other regional promotion since I think they follow the same payment model as boxing.

It’s pretty clear that if you’re the average no name MMA fighter, the UFC pays better. 
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