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Quote from: bittraffic on September 06, 2019, 12:18:37 PM

Anderson Silva and Adesanya somehow has the similarity of character which could also his downfall if he showboat in this fight. But I certainly don't get why he would be the underdog here. Kabib isn't just successful taking downs he also box quite good, it stun Mcgregor after a fake take down and throw a right cross to his jaw. Both Kabib and Poirier are serious fighter.

Getting a 'lucky' shot on Mcgregor after faking a takedown doesn't mean khabib is a good striker, he isn't. The statistics don't lie, Khabib barely ko's people even though he is able to take them down consistently and pound them on the ground and yet he still can't ko people.

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Anderson Silva and Adesanya somehow has the similarity of character which could also his downfall if he showboat in this fight. But I certainly don't get why he would be the underdog here. Kabib isn't just successful taking downs he also box quite good, it stun Mcgregor after a fake take down and throw a right cross to his jaw. Both Kabib and Poirier are serious fighter.

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Quote from: nydiacaskey01 on September 05, 2019, 11:37:11 AM

UFC 243 is still far from today but when I checked Nitrogensports and see the odds between Adesanya vs Whittaker, I was surprised to see the odds for Adesanya at +124 while Whittaker is at -140 meaning Adesanya is the underdog in this match. I am a fan of Adesansya and I haven't watched any fight of Whittaker, but I think as the fight draws near, odds will be different or tables might be turned.

Robert is slugger and battle tested. He narrowly won against Yoel (although I thought Yoel won that fight). Maybe it's the experience that made him the favorite at the moment. Israel is a better fighter technically imo and I do agree that the odds will be in his favor a few days from now.

Exactly, Robert has face a lot of name foes in the past, i.e. Yoel Romero, Souza, Brunson and the current champion. Yep, we all know that odds really do change specially when the fight date draw near.

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I mean, betting on Khabib is basically almost no risk money, however, the odds are so bad that it's really not worth it, it's a fight after all, he can still get knocked out randomly. I wouldn't want to bet 1k to win 20 dollars with the possibility of losing everything.

Remember the time when Anderson Silva was knocked out when we thought he will win that last fight but he got knocked out because he was clowning around. There will be a point in time that they will get sloppy and other fighter will be lucky to tag Khabib. But Khabib is at his prime and I don't think losing at this point in time is not likely to happen. Very small chance.

Well, it can happen but it doesn't mean it will happen, look at floyd, he never got KO'd even after dozens of fights. Khabib seems to have a strong chin and definitely strong mentality, the chances of him getting ko'd randomly are slim but they are still there.

We can't compare Floyd here, he never got KO'd because he is a defensive genius and he doesn't clown around as Anderson during his prime.

Definitely it can happen to the best of them, however, as you have said Khabib has a good chin and again he has a good IQ. Anderson's career was built around his talent and speed and when that is gone, people started to tag him and even KO him.

I mean, khabib is not a defensive genius but the fact that he can take down anyone and 70-80% of the time, both fighters are on the ground with khabib on top, that reduces the chances of getting ko'd drastically as it's almost impossible to ko someone from the ground.

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Lightweight: Khabib Nurmagomedov vs Dustin Poirier
Lightweight: Edson Barboza vs Paul Felder

At first, I though only the title card is interesting match up but as I watch the videos leading up to the fight, it seems Barbosa-Felder is also one to watch. This is one of the few match ups where you don't hear a lot of trash talks. I'm rooting for Felder and Poirier.

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Quote from: Astargath on September 05, 2019, 07:37:54 PM

look at floyd, he never got KO'd even after dozens of fights. Khabib seems to have a strong chin and definitely strong mentality, the chances of him getting ko'd randomly are slim but they are still there.

If you are having a great defense then no one will touch your chin, if your chin is exposed anyone can knock you down, most of the time the punches that are not seen can knock you down and that happened with Stipe Miocic when he faced Cormier, an upper cut from the clinch and he was knocked out cold but he does have a great chin as he even absorbed all the punches thrown by Francis Ngannou. Khabib will be having too much pressure as his dad will be in his corner for the first time and all of his relatives will be present in the arena and we will see how he handles that pressure.

My prediction for the day are: Khabib Nurmagomedov, Curtis Blaydes, Ryan Bader, Adam Borics and i am going for a parlay with these fighters. Wink

Davi Ramos and Islam Makhachev is a great fight as both are ground fighter, Ramos is black belt and i expect Ramos to win.

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Khabib looked ok at the official weigh ins. A bit slow and dehydrated but ok. Let's see how he looks at the ceremonial weigh ins (streaming live in an hour or so). That should give us a hint on how he's recovering with his weight cut.

UFC 242: Embedded Episode 4
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Quote from: Juggy777 on September 02, 2019, 09:34:36 PM

@YuginKadoya you’re right Poirier does have some decent experience, but I doubt he’ll pose a challenge to Khabib. I feel Khabib should easily win this match and I’m planning to place few bucks on him, as I feel this match’s result is easy to predict.

Yep! pretty much Poirier doesn't stand a chance against Khabib at all this can be an easy few bucks win for you if Poirier would not change his approach against Khabib then an easy win for him.

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Quote from: NavI_027 on September 05, 2019, 10:46:53 PM

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Remember the time when Anderson Silva was knocked out when we thought he will win that last fight but he got knocked out because he was clowning around. There will be a point in time that they will get sloppy and other fighter will be lucky to tag Khabib. But Khabib is at his prime and I don't think losing at this point in time is not likely to happen. Very small chance.

It was Silva vs Bisping fight if I'm not mistaken. Anyway, we can't compare Khabib's fighting style to Silva because they fight in a very different manner. Silva always let his guard off to make a right counter while Khabib always play safer. Don't expect that Khabib will make fun of Porier or even his upcoming opponents because he treat his battles seriously. If he get knocked out this time then that's because he was outwit and definitely not by overconfidence/carelessness.

It was at UFC 162 Anderson Silva Vs Chris Weidman. Its their 1st match July 2013. Anderson Silva acted like he was hit and ready to drop but Chris Weidman was able to reach tagged him. Chris Weidman was all over Anderson Silva when he was tagged and the referee stopped the fight. Everyone was shocked at that time. Anderson Silvas showboating cost him that match.

Yes, I don't Khabib will showboat in any of his match, its not in his character to do that. Every time we see him fight, he always looks serious and he means business before and after the match.

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Quote from: nydiacaskey01 on September 05, 2019, 06:39:29 PM

Remember the time when Anderson Silva was knocked out when we thought he will win that last fight but he got knocked out because he was clowning around. There will be a point in time that they will get sloppy and other fighter will be lucky to tag Khabib. But Khabib is at his prime and I don't think losing at this point in time is not likely to happen. Very small chance.

It was Silva vs Bisping fight if I'm not mistaken. Anyway, we can't compare Khabib's fighting style to Silva because they fight in a very different manner. Silva always let his guard off to make a right counter while Khabib always play safer. Don't expect that Khabib will make fun of Porier or even his upcoming opponents because he treat his battles seriously. If he get knocked out this time then that's because he was outwit and definitely not by overconfidence/carelessness.

Quote from: Astargath on September 05, 2019, 07:37:54 PM

Khabib seems to have a strong chin and definitely strong mentality, the chances of him getting ko'd randomly are slim but they are still there.

I agree aside from the part of having a string chin. Actually, that would be the only advantage of Porier in their fight. If he able to maintain his distance to Khabib all 5 rounds then he might win because striking is his forte and thus having a chance to knocked him out but on the other hand, once he got take down by Khabib then it is all over. For sure he will suffer from exhaustion like what happen to Conor Cheesy

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Quote from: rosezionjohn on September 05, 2019, 11:59:17 AM

Quote from: nydiacaskey01 on September 05, 2019, 11:37:11 AM

UFC 243 is still far from today but when I checked Nitrogensports and see the odds between Adesanya vs Whittaker, I was surprised to see the odds for Adesanya at +124 while Whittaker is at -140 meaning Adesanya is the underdog in this match. I am a fan of Adesansya and I haven't watched any fight of Whittaker, but I think as the fight draws near, odds will be different or tables might be turned.

Robert is slugger and battle tested. He narrowly won against Yoel (although I thought Yoel won that fight). Maybe it's the experience that made him the favorite at the moment. Israel is a better fighter technically imo and I do agree that the odds will be in his favor a few days from now.

Exactly, Robert has face a lot of name foes in the past, i.e. Yoel Romero, Souza, Brunson and the current champion. Yep, we all know that odds really do change specially when the fight date draw near.

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I mean, betting on Khabib is basically almost no risk money, however, the odds are so bad that it's really not worth it, it's a fight after all, he can still get knocked out randomly. I wouldn't want to bet 1k to win 20 dollars with the possibility of losing everything.

Remember the time when Anderson Silva was knocked out when we thought he will win that last fight but he got knocked out because he was clowning around. There will be a point in time that they will get sloppy and other fighter will be lucky to tag Khabib. But Khabib is at his prime and I don't think losing at this point in time is not likely to happen. Very small chance.

Well, it can happen but it doesn't mean it will happen, look at floyd, he never got KO'd even after dozens of fights. Khabib seems to have a strong chin and definitely strong mentality, the chances of him getting ko'd randomly are slim but they are still there.

We can't compare Floyd here, he never got KO'd because he is a defensive genius and he doesn't clown around as Anderson during his prime.

Definitely it can happen to the best of them, however, as you have said Khabib has a good chin and again he has a good IQ. Anderson's career was built around his talent and speed and when that is gone, people started to tag him and even KO him.

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Quote from: nydiacaskey01 on September 05, 2019, 06:39:29 PM

Quote from: Astargath on September 05, 2019, 03:06:51 PM

I mean, betting on Khabib is basically almost no risk money, however, the odds are so bad that it's really not worth it, it's a fight after all, he can still get knocked out randomly. I wouldn't want to bet 1k to win 20 dollars with the possibility of losing everything.

Remember the time when Anderson Silva was knocked out when we thought he will win that last fight but he got knocked out because he was clowning around. There will be a point in time that they will get sloppy and other fighter will be lucky to tag Khabib. But Khabib is at his prime and I don't think losing at this point in time is not likely to happen. Very small chance.

Well, it can happen but it doesn't mean it will happen, look at floyd, he never got KO'd even after dozens of fights. Khabib seems to have a strong chin and definitely strong mentality, the chances of him getting ko'd randomly are slim but they are still there.

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Quote from: Astargath on September 05, 2019, 03:06:51 PM

I mean, betting on Khabib is basically almost no risk money, however, the odds are so bad that it's really not worth it, it's a fight after all, he can still get knocked out randomly. I wouldn't want to bet 1k to win 20 dollars with the possibility of losing everything.

Remember the time when Anderson Silva was knocked out when we thought he will win that last fight but he got knocked out because he was clowning around. There will be a point in time that they will get sloppy and other fighter will be lucky to tag Khabib. But Khabib is at his prime and I don't think losing at this point in time is not likely to happen. Very small chance.

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Quote from: tokeweed on September 05, 2019, 10:09:38 AM

Hmmmm... Lots of money piling into Khabib. Poirier's line is up at 4.60 now from 4.33 just a day ago (FJ odds). I think it would've been better to wait til the weekend to get more value. Oh well. Wink

UFC 242: Embedded Episode 3
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I mean, betting on Khabib is basically almost no risk money, however, the odds are so bad that it's really not worth it, it's a fight after all, he can still get knocked out randomly. I wouldn't want to bet 1k to win 20 dollars with the possibility of losing everything.

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Quote from: tokeweed on September 05, 2019, 10:09:38 AM

Hmmmm... Lots of money piling into Khabib. Poirier's line is up at 4.60 now from 4.33 just a day ago (FJ odds). I think it would've been better to wait til the weekend to get more value. Oh well. Wink

UFC 242: Embedded Episode 3
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The Over/Under is listed at 4.5 ROUNDS but I am seeing alot of people predicting a 5 ROUND battle
"THE DIAMOND" has only been submitted 1 time in his entire career back in 2012 (which happened to occur in ROUND 4)
This is a difficult fight to predict how it will play out but I am not confident in HABIB enough for that price.

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Quote from: nydiacaskey01 on September 05, 2019, 11:37:11 AM

UFC 243 is still far from today but when I checked Nitrogensports and see the odds between Adesanya vs Whittaker, I was surprised to see the odds for Adesanya at +124 while Whittaker is at -140 meaning Adesanya is the underdog in this match. I am a fan of Adesansya and I haven't watched any fight of Whittaker, but I think as the fight draws near, odds will be different or tables might be turned.

Robert is slugger and battle tested. He narrowly won against Yoel (although I thought Yoel won that fight). Maybe it's the experience that made him the favorite at the moment. Israel is a better fighter technically imo and I do agree that the odds will be in his favor a few days from now.

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UFC 243 is still far from today but when I checked Nitrogensports and see the odds between Adesanya vs Whittaker, I was surprised to see the odds for Adesanya at +124 while Whittaker is at -140 meaning Adesanya is the underdog in this match. I am a fan of Adesansya and I haven't watched any fight of Whittaker, but I think as the fight draws near, odds will be different or tables might be turned.

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Hmmmm... Lots of money piling into Khabib. Poirier's line is up at 4.60 now from 4.33 just a day ago (FJ odds). I think it would've been better to wait til the weekend to get more value. Oh well. Wink

UFC 242: Embedded Episode 3
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Quote from: Juggy777 on September 02, 2019, 09:34:36 PM

I feel Khabib should easily win this match and I’m planning to place few bucks on him, as I feel this match’s result is easy to predict.

I think this match will end with rear naked choke. Try to find few more bucks and bet on a choke or at least by a submission

Quote from: DeathAngel on September 03, 2019, 07:11:41 AM

Sadly I think Khabib will win again because his boring style is so effective.

Ben Askren also uses boring wrestling +gnp style, but had lost by a knee to the chin (The Fastest Knockout In UFC History https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=leAA3_zZNW8). Khabibs boring style can be countered by that.

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@pereira4. However, Dustin Poirier has the power. 50% of his fights were knockouts and technical knockouts, his fighting style is to stand in front and throw power punches. Also, Conor fought the younger versions of Dustin and Max Holloway. If they fight Conor today, they would beat him.

Khabib can also weaken on the 4th and 5th rounds similar to his fight versus Al Iaquinta.

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