Topic: This guy gave a whole prototype of &quot;how live roulette scam us&quot; - page 4. (Read 2150 times)

Quote from: Betwrong on June 13, 2023, 08:42:58 AM

~ They are just bad losers, I am pretty sure you have met a lot of them not only in gambling but in life, they are the ones that cannot tolerate things not going their way and they even get mad when losing an insignificant board game or another non-transcendent activity.

So when they lose a lot of money when they gamble, they cannot help but to think that somehow they were cheated and create elaborate conspiracy theories about why this happened to them.

I agree with this. With many millions playing online roulette around the world, of course there are cases when gamblers lose more than expected, and some of them start creating these conspiracy theories. What they don't take into account is the opposite cases, when people win much more than expected. That's what makes the game attractive: you are not always losing exactly 5% of your money; you can lose all of it, or you can win a lot, depending on luck.

This concept is called variance and like most concepts related to probability theory this is hardly understood by the majority of the people out there, some people expect that if you flip a coin then the results will always be 50/50.

And while this can be true given a large enough sample, the smaller the sample the higher the variance can be, so a person can lose way more often than expected or win more often as well, however the one that wins more often never complains about it, while those which lose more often will complain very loudly about that fact.

It's always 50/50, but what they can't grasp is that it doesn't mean they will get 5 heads and 5 tails out of 10 tosses. So, if they get 5 heads, they expect a tail right away or soon, while they can get 20 more heads after that. And when their balance is empty they start complaining about the casino scamming them. Same with roulette, slots and other games of chance. "I bet on 5 in roulette and it hadn't come up withing 100 spins!" It shouldn't, mate. It's not how it works.

This is very similar to dice, when we are playing dice it is like that, I have tried these strategies several times, for example if I play 2x game of 190 plays only 3 have been good, out of 20 or 30 plays sometimes it comes out alone 1 play well or none, the efficiency index is very minimal, in roulette I have only played a few times, but I have sometimes put some strategies that I have read, it seems to me that the strategy that is safest is the one that bets on the colors and the zero, because betting on a number is very difficult, or also when the roulette wheels have the part of the even or odd number, I have also tried them and it works much better for me that way, but not to find a unique strategy.

But of course the winning amount wouldnt really be just as great when you do hit up a specific number but since you do have in mind that putting your bets on odds;even or black;red then expect that winning
amount would be less which is really that a common concept when it comes to roulette games but we know that there are certain players who do really love on playing that certain extent.
About potential scamming on this kind of method which could really be only applied on physical roulettes but into see on what happened on the video on which it is really that not noticeable
but if you are really that get used to see and play roulette stuff on casinos then you might be able to tell up those differences. Speaking about online roulettes? Everything would really be
according to the code which means that playing out with this kind of type is never been that simple whether the game is really that fair or not.

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Quote from: wxa7115 on June 08, 2023, 11:25:03 PM

Quote from: dezoel on June 15, 2023, 01:14:10 PM

~ They are just bad losers, I am pretty sure you have met a lot of them not only in gambling but in life, they are the ones that cannot tolerate things not going their way and they even get mad when losing an insignificant board game or another non-transcendent activity.

So when they lose a lot of money when they gamble, they cannot help but to think that somehow they were cheated and create elaborate conspiracy theories about why this happened to them.

I agree with this. With many millions playing online roulette around the world, of course there are cases when gamblers lose more than expected, and some of them start creating these conspiracy theories. What they don't take into account is the opposite cases, when people win much more than expected. That's what makes the game attractive: you are not always losing exactly 5% of your money; you can lose all of it, or you can win a lot, depending on luck.

This concept is called variance and like most concepts related to probability theory this is hardly understood by the majority of the people out there, some people expect that if you flip a coin then the results will always be 50/50.

And while this can be true given a large enough sample, the smaller the sample the higher the variance can be, so a person can lose way more often than expected or win more often as well, however the one that wins more often never complains about it, while those which lose more often will complain very loudly about that fact.

It's always 50/50, but what they can't grasp is that it doesn't mean they will get 5 heads and 5 tails out of 10 tosses. So, if they get 5 heads, they expect a tail right away or soon, while they can get 20 more heads after that. And when their balance is empty they start complaining about the casino scamming them. Same with roulette, slots and other games of chance. "I bet on 5 in roulette and it hadn't come up withing 100 spins!" It shouldn't, mate. It's not how it works.

This is very similar to dice, when we are playing dice it is like that, I have tried these strategies several times, for example if I play 2x game of 190 plays only 3 have been good, out of 20 or 30 plays sometimes it comes out alone 1 play well or none, the efficiency index is very minimal, in roulette I have only played a few times, but I have sometimes put some strategies that I have read, it seems to me that the strategy that is safest is the one that bets on the colors and the zero, because betting on a number is very difficult, or also when the roulette wheels have the part of the even or odd number, I have also tried them and it works much better for me that way, but not to find a unique strategy.

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The only thing that we can do is to avoid those shady game providers next time and we can also report them so that they will get fired out.

I see many scam accusations against many casinos on the scam accusation board. They always create it against the casino they played. The casino defend themselves saying the game provider suggested them the player was cheating or whatever the reason they were blocked or did a misconduct of the player. If the player is good enough to provide evidence to support his accusations then we red tag the casino. If he can not then we just ignore the accusation.

I wondered why don't we talk about the game providers? At least I never saw a case where a game provider was accused. It's like they have the magic key, whatever they say the casino accept it.

The online gaming is always shady to me. I never trusted a computer program that is created without any guarantee to make profit but I had some faith in those online roulette that are live. Watching this video just broke my heart.

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Quote from: dezoel on June 15, 2023, 01:14:10 PM

Quote from: paxmao on June 09, 2023, 08:27:27 AM

Of course not all online casinos operate ethically. There have been cases of rogue or unlicensed casinos that engage in unfair practices, such as manipulating game resultsin the roulette. That's why it's crucial to choose a reputable and licensed online casino that has a positive track record and good reputation on this forum. Thanks for sharing information as well, it is important that we all try to keep safe.

They know that getting a license can make them exposed and caught easily once they done something inappropriate so they choose to not get it and fortunately they still can get a customer for this because usually non-licensed casinos are not strict and they never require a KYC. The only downside is the games that can be unfair sometimes.

Even though we picked up a reputable casino in this forum, the live games are still not theirs but it was from the providers. They can not control the results themselves. The only thing that we can do is to avoid those shady game providers next time and we can also report them so that they will get fired out.

I acknowledge your point about unlicensed casinos thriving due to their lax procedures, including the lack of a KYC process. While this might seem appealing to some players, it does indeed come with significant risks, including potentially unfair games.

Your remarks regarding the provenance of live games are entirely accurate. Online casinos often procure these games from third-party providers and have little control over the outcomes.

However, I wish to add a nuance. The onus should not only be on us, the players, to report fraudulent game providers. Regulatory bodies exist for this exact purpose - to safeguard consumers from uncrupulous operators. What's more, casinos themselves need to perform due diligence before selecting game providers, thus ensuring their customers' fair play

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Quote from: paxmao on June 09, 2023, 08:27:27 AM

Of course not all online casinos operate ethically. There have been cases of rogue or unlicensed casinos that engage in unfair practices, such as manipulating game resultsin the roulette. That's why it's crucial to choose a reputable and licensed online casino that has a positive track record and good reputation on this forum. Thanks for sharing information as well, it is important that we all try to keep safe.

They know that getting a license can make them exposed and caught easily once they done something inappropriate so they choose to not get it and fortunately they still can get a customer for this because usually non-licensed casinos are not strict and they never require a KYC. The only downside is the games that can be unfair sometimes.

Even though we picked up a reputable casino in this forum, the live games are still not theirs but it was from the providers. They can not control the results themselves. The only thing that we can do is to avoid those shady game providers next time and we can also report them so that they will get fired out.

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Quote from: wxa7115 on June 08, 2023, 11:25:03 PM

Quote from: tusandii on June 07, 2023, 07:25:22 AM

~ They are just bad losers, I am pretty sure you have met a lot of them not only in gambling but in life, they are the ones that cannot tolerate things not going their way and they even get mad when losing an insignificant board game or another non-transcendent activity.

So when they lose a lot of money when they gamble, they cannot help but to think that somehow they were cheated and create elaborate conspiracy theories about why this happened to them.

I agree with this. With many millions playing online roulette around the world, of course there are cases when gamblers lose more than expected, and some of them start creating these conspiracy theories. What they don't take into account is the opposite cases, when people win much more than expected. That's what makes the game attractive: you are not always losing exactly 5% of your money; you can lose all of it, or you can win a lot, depending on luck.

This concept is called variance and like most concepts related to probability theory this is hardly understood by the majority of the people out there, some people expect that if you flip a coin then the results will always be 50/50.

And while this can be true given a large enough sample, the smaller the sample the higher the variance can be, so a person can lose way more often than expected or win more often as well, however the one that wins more often never complains about it, while those which lose more often will complain very loudly about that fact.

It's always 50/50, but what they can't grasp is that it doesn't mean they will get 5 heads and 5 tails out of 10 tosses. So, if they get 5 heads, they expect a tail right away or soon, while they can get 20 more heads after that. And when their balance is empty they start complaining about the casino scamming them. Same with roulette, slots and other games of chance. "I bet on 5 in roulette and it hadn't come up withing 100 spins!" It shouldn't, mate. It's not how it works.

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Of course not all online casinos operate ethically. There have been cases of rogue or unlicensed casinos that engage in unfair practices, such as manipulating game resultsin the roulette. That's why it's crucial to choose a reputable and licensed online casino that has a positive track record and good reputation on this forum. Thanks for sharing information as well, it is important that we all try to keep safe.

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Quote from: www.Gambler.Casino on June 06, 2023, 07:33:26 AM

Yes, the math is in favor of the casino. It's a shame that the casino is even trying to cheat with an advantage with a decrease in the RTP and Live games

Fool with a drop in RTP?
Try to explain what kind of cheating casino with lowered RTP do you mean?
So far the RTP that casinos have assigned to slot games is to be able to give returns to gamblers when doing normal spins and no game other than slots has RTP.
The decrease in RTP is done not by the casino but by the slot game provider so maybe here you have a bit of a mistake in assuming that the casino is cheating or manipulating the RTP.
Live games can be manipulated because we don't really know whether the game is fair or not, but we can use trusted sites to avoid things like that.

A casino doesn't need to do things like that if they want to cheat their players, there are more games than slots in a casino, and people also play dice very often and crash too, if a casino wants to cheat, they can easily do it with these games because these games are not from third-party game providers but are designed and operated by the casino itself, so manipulation within these games should be pretty easy for them.

To stay safe from a casino cheating you, one should only stick to the trusted and reputable casinos, or if they are using a new casino and suspect that they are being cheated, they should simply stop using them and switch to a better platform.

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Quote from: so98nn on May 28, 2023, 11:36:24 AM

~ They are just bad losers, I am pretty sure you have met a lot of them not only in gambling but in life, they are the ones that cannot tolerate things not going their way and they even get mad when losing an insignificant board game or another non-transcendent activity.

So when they lose a lot of money when they gamble, they cannot help but to think that somehow they were cheated and create elaborate conspiracy theories about why this happened to them.

I agree with this. With many millions playing online roulette around the world, of course there are cases when gamblers lose more than expected, and some of them start creating these conspiracy theories. What they don't take into account is the opposite cases, when people win much more than expected. That's what makes the game attractive: you are not always losing exactly 5% of your money; you can lose all of it, or you can win a lot, depending on luck.

This concept is called variance and like most concepts related to probability theory this is hardly understood by the majority of the people out there, some people expect that if you flip a coin then the results will always be 50/50.

And while this can be true given a large enough sample, the smaller the sample the higher the variance can be, so a person can lose way more often than expected or win more often as well, however the one that wins more often never complains about it, while those which lose more often will complain very loudly about that fact.

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Quote from: wxa7115 on May 28, 2023, 12:38:55 AM

Quote from: tusandii on May 25, 2023, 06:34:51 AM

Quote from: www.Gambler.Casino on May 24, 2023, 07:04:51 AM

They cheat not only on roulette, but also in Baccarat, Blackjack, wheels.The maps appear to be using computer graphics. I used to play baccarat often and managed to win often. But in the last few years, the balance has completely disappeared. A year ago, I gave up live games, after which I began to withdraw money from the casino often, winning on slots!
Here is a video with proofs - https://youtu.be/21ynUBhBtR0

When you can't get a win from some of the games that you have mentioned, do you assume that gambling sites are deceptive?
You can't say they're cheating just because circumstances change and you can't win them every game anymore.
Maybe luck is not on your side, buddy, so in every game it is more difficult to win.

You win at slot games, it's luck and there are no factors other than luck that can give you a win in every game.

I agree, just because we lose at a specific game we cannot make the conclusion the casino is cheating, that is quite a leap of logic, because as we know we can lose simply because the odds are against us, now if the losses are consistent then some suspicions could be had, but unless there is evidence of any wrongdoing then making those accusations is going too far.

Now demonstrating a casino is cheating is nowhere near as difficult as it may seem, you just need to be ready to collect enough results and make some calculations and see if there is something wrong with the results we have been having.

Though I also started believing this could be scam but just because we saw glitch from one game play we can’t just blame it. The problem with the strategy is really off the record and unproven method so far. The electromagnetism and shit is just technical words they are using due to the fact that they want people to see this is literal serious case. We would never know how it works as long as we do not enter into that system by all ourselves.

Apart from this, even if they are pre-recorded the odds of choosing correct numbers by the computer behind it are too tiny. Casino could end up losing a lot of money. The math doesn’t add up here.

It is difficult because numbers and statistics have to have a fairly high ingredient, which is randomness, and only this factor can change everything , so there is still no modeling that can give us the real certainty of what what can happen in a casino or in a game, this is something obvious, what we must understand is that in rultea we must surrender to Luck , from there to win is that for me, merely luck , there is no study that can Give for sure what is the best thing that can happen or the exact Result that happens.

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Quote from: Mauser on June 06, 2023, 09:21:39 AM

What could help would be that former casino employees step up and reveal how they were involved in rigging the systems, but so far I haven't heard about it. The big arguments against fake roulette systems is that the game by itself is already making money for the casino. With the 0 in the wheel the casino has a house edge as there is no more winning strategy.

We all know that some games are rigged or, at least, can be rigged although, we as gamblers can't prove it. Some former employees and some games' experts explained how these games work and how they are being exploited to always let the house win. Unfortunately, most of them don't want to talk in public and reveal their identities, which is understandable.
I didn't get what you mean by saying the number zero in roulette is giving unfair advantage to the casino, though!

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Quote from: Fortify on June 08, 2023, 12:12:51 PM

Quote from: Fortify on June 08, 2023, 12:12:51 PM

I watched a youtube video, a guy is showing how live roulette in online casinos scam us. after watching some part of video, i check the comment, and on 4th comment i found this guy telling how they scam us.

"The practice when the roulette balls are made of piezoeletric ceramiC.The material used is Barium Titanate BaTiO3 on the surface, and Barium sulfate BaSO4 on the inside insulation.
The ball caries polarized surface charges when hit by anultrasonic sound wave. This is sent from the inter- digital transducers placed in the pockets of each number.
They send a wave to the ball that polarizes the surface with a negative charge.
The spoon/ pocket of the number olso negative; thereforethe ball jumps out trough electrostatic repulsion.
Each number pocket is controlled by a transistor called IGBT.
This transistor turn on the switch so that the pocket is negatively charged.
The control room computer leaves the pockets that it wants the ball to go in neutral or of.
This is akk maneged by the sophisticated software and computers.
So that why you can see situation when the ball geteither pushed out violentely od sucked into the exact to a number.
I am positive you know that the ball stick to a number like a dart and also ball being pushed out from the pocket after almost completestop.
So this would be yes this technique could be possibly used to manipulate the outcome.
This is happening on you live dealer wheels."

in comment of this video : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0rNhLySb0k

do you think, this is possible or they are already doing it? popular game providers like evolution, pragmatic, etc.

It seems a bit asinine to claim that online roulette is always a scam. It doesn't even need to be a scam - the odds are already stacked in the favor of the casino over the long term and it doesn't really matter if you hand all your money over this week or next month, they know eventually if you are a gambler you will leak it over to them. No doubt there is a rare occasion where a casino gets extra greedy and rigs the game, but any "love" game in a setting they completely control can also be rigged - it doesn't need grand explanations, there will be ways it could be rigged that he missed.

Online casinos will always have many advantages, the first advantage is that of the house, the second that it can have is that of the games, in this very specific case they are talking about roulette and the option you have to win or no, if it is a scam or not, if it was a scam, it would have been uncovered for a long time, there are no players who always have huge profits, it is not a scam, it is just that it is somewhat difficult to win, because some people bet very little and they win and when they bet a lot they don't win, and that's not cheating, that's the same sense of randomness that is in roulette , all roulettes for me are the same, the same chances of winning are always there , the trick is Knowing how to Play in the roulette.

House do always win and this had been always the basic concept and the reason why on why gambling platforms flourish and make themselves profitable in the long run. We know that this isnt something that we could really be able to beat up and due to that kind of common nature of a certain human being on which they do believe that they could beat up against the house and make themselves rich with gambling then this is where desperation would kicked in. Never ever intent to beat up the house because it cant just be that possible and thats how it works or the reality of it.

In regarding on the situation been posted about this scammy behavior or set up on roullette then it would really be creating that kind of hesitance specially for physical players who do really
always play roulette. On the time that you are on such session and find out something suspicious, then how you would really be stopping midway and suing them out?
For sure you wont.

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Quote from: Newlifebtc on June 05, 2023, 04:27:45 PM

I watched a youtube video, a guy is showing how live roulette in online casinos scam us. after watching some part of video, i check the comment, and on 4th comment i found this guy telling how they scam us.

"The practice when the roulette balls are made of piezoeletric ceramiC.The material used is Barium Titanate BaTiO3 on the surface, and Barium sulfate BaSO4 on the inside insulation.
The ball caries polarized surface charges when hit by anultrasonic sound wave. This is sent from the inter- digital transducers placed in the pockets of each number.
They send a wave to the ball that polarizes the surface with a negative charge.
The spoon/ pocket of the number olso negative; thereforethe ball jumps out trough electrostatic repulsion.
Each number pocket is controlled by a transistor called IGBT.
This transistor turn on the switch so that the pocket is negatively charged.
The control room computer leaves the pockets that it wants the ball to go in neutral or of.
This is akk maneged by the sophisticated software and computers.
So that why you can see situation when the ball geteither pushed out violentely od sucked into the exact to a number.
I am positive you know that the ball stick to a number like a dart and also ball being pushed out from the pocket after almost completestop.
So this would be yes this technique could be possibly used to manipulate the outcome.
This is happening on you live dealer wheels."

in comment of this video : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0rNhLySb0k

do you think, this is possible or they are already doing it? popular game providers like evolution, pragmatic, etc.

It seems a bit asinine to claim that online roulette is always a scam. It doesn't even need to be a scam - the odds are already stacked in the favor of the casino over the long term and it doesn't really matter if you hand all your money over this week or next month, they know eventually if you are a gambler you will leak it over to them. No doubt there is a rare occasion where a casino gets extra greedy and rigs the game, but any "love" game in a setting they completely control can also be rigged - it doesn't need grand explanations, there will be ways it could be rigged that he missed.

Online casinos will always have many advantages, the first advantage is that of the house, the second that it can have is that of the games, in this very specific case they are talking about roulette and the option you have to win or no, if it is a scam or not, if it was a scam, it would have been uncovered for a long time, there are no players who always have huge profits, it is not a scam, it is just that it is somewhat difficult to win, because some people bet very little and they win and when they bet a lot they don't win, and that's not cheating, that's the same sense of randomness that is in roulette , all roulettes for me are the same, the same chances of winning are always there , the trick is Knowing how to Play in the roulette.

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gambling is meant for cheating that is what makes it a gambling so it is something that people does not understand if you are not being kicked in the morning it is very clear that there is nothing good that will come out from that particular gambling platform so we don't need to think about it otherwise because it is something that we experience every time in gambling session

it is very shocking to hear this kind of comment knowing that in all casinos they have clear TOS that they will not tolerate this kind of things, when you or anyone cheat you are making the casino owner not profit and the casino owner not profit You will have no other option left, you will have to close the casino, so what benefit will you and other people who use cheating have when the casino closes its doors? none. because you imagine it's the only casino that doesn't ask for kyc, the casino doesn't do that thinking it's helping people and then people start abusing the casino and as a consequence the casino goes bankrupt and closes

in other casinos they ask for strict kyc now there is no more kyc-free casino, so I ask myself: is it really worth destroying good casinos and then having shitty casinos? I think it's not worth it just for people to keep doing these kinds of things, people don't think that by doing this they are harming many other people and at the same time they are also harming themselves. I hope that from now on you no longer have this type of thinking that will only lead to you being banned if one day you put it into practice, always respect the TOS of the casinos

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Quote from: Fortify on June 08, 2023, 12:12:51 PM

I watched a youtube video, a guy is showing how live roulette in online casinos scam us. after watching some part of video, i check the comment, and on 4th comment i found this guy telling how they scam us.

"The practice when the roulette balls are made of piezoeletric ceramiC.The material used is Barium Titanate BaTiO3 on the surface, and Barium sulfate BaSO4 on the inside insulation.
The ball caries polarized surface charges when hit by anultrasonic sound wave. This is sent from the inter- digital transducers placed in the pockets of each number.
They send a wave to the ball that polarizes the surface with a negative charge.
The spoon/ pocket of the number olso negative; thereforethe ball jumps out trough electrostatic repulsion.
Each number pocket is controlled by a transistor called IGBT.
This transistor turn on the switch so that the pocket is negatively charged.
The control room computer leaves the pockets that it wants the ball to go in neutral or of.
This is akk maneged by the sophisticated software and computers.
So that why you can see situation when the ball geteither pushed out violentely od sucked into the exact to a number.
I am positive you know that the ball stick to a number like a dart and also ball being pushed out from the pocket after almost completestop.
So this would be yes this technique could be possibly used to manipulate the outcome.
This is happening on you live dealer wheels."

in comment of this video : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0rNhLySb0k

do you think, this is possible or they are already doing it? popular game providers like evolution, pragmatic, etc.

It seems a bit asinine to claim that online roulette is always a scam. It doesn't even need to be a scam - the odds are already stacked in the favor of the casino over the long term and it doesn't really matter if you hand all your money over this week or next month, they know eventually if you are a gambler you will leak it over to them. No doubt there is a rare occasion where a casino gets extra greedy and rigs the game, but any "love" game in a setting they completely control can also be rigged - it doesn't need grand explanations, there will be ways it could be rigged that he missed.

The way that the game can be rigged that he explained here is actually one of the easiest ones that can be done - or at least something that he already noticed and studied across a number of casinos. While true that casinos don't really need to do all of these things in order to profit and drain you off of your money, there are times that they need to make money to build their bankroll and pay up other gamblers that are playing on the site. This can usually be done if the casino is on a losing streak lately, and does not have any liquid funds at all.

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