Topic: This guy gave a whole prototype of "how live roulette scam us" - page 10. (Read 2150 times)
I always suspect that some form of manipulation on the balls and the pockets are happening when the high rollers come in. Though for a normal table with low-medium bets, I doubt they’ll risk getting caught as most of these people in this bracket are the ones who are overanalyzing everything. But yeah, it’s not really a shock to me if in case they’re really doing something like this given how sophisticated tech has become and how much money casinos are making to have access to this type of tech and apply it on their games.
It is not just roulette, any game can be manipulated as long as its online based, but I believe this is where trust and reputation comes in, gamblers have to trust that the casino they are playing on will not engage in such dubious activities, and also, the casino, for the sake of their reputation, should not engage themselves on such act.
Anything is possible, as far as I know, I've actually read a topic like this before, but can't really remember if it was on this forum or another forum, but all things being good, it's a bad practice to do such, and for some casinos, this is not even worth their reputation if they ever engage in such act.
even for roulette, it is not good, like you've said, it is not worth their reputation in anyway.Anything is possible, as far as I know, I've actually read a topic like this before, but can't really remember if it was on this forum or another forum, but all things being good, it's a bad practice to do such, and for some casinos, this is not even worth their reputation if they ever engage in such act.
I do not like to jump.into conclusion based on other person's opinion though, I'll have to personally confirm this.
I watched a youtube video, a guy is showing how live roulette in online casinos scam us. after watching some part of video, i check the comment, and on 4th comment i found this guy telling how they scam us.
Lucky for me because I only choose to play in casino that I trust and also trusted by many and that is what I do believe is great for safeties and not becoming a scam victim.
yes roulette is very easy to manipulate while the video given is indeed reliable , but if we choose to play in casino that care more about their reputation than profit?
then that will never takes place,
Roobet.com is one safe place to play and surely you will never regret playing there.
and also with so many bonuses , events , give away and other stuff that Gamblers or even bitcointalk memers are gaining?
I'm sure that those prototype scamming videos will never takes place .
just be cautious and vigilant and trust me you will never be a victim ..NEVER!!!
I watched a youtube video, a guy is showing how live roulette in online casinos scam us. after watching some part of video, i check the comment, and on 4th comment i found this guy telling how they scam us.
Lucky for me because I only choose to play in casino that I trust and also trusted by many and that is what I do believe is great for safeties and not becoming a scam victim.
yes roulette is very easy to manipulate while the video given is indeed reliable , but if we choose to play in casino that care more about their reputation than profit?
then that will never takes place,
Roobet.com is one safe place to play and surely you will never regret playing there.
and also with so many bonuses , events , give away and other stuff that Gamblers or even bitcointalk memers are gaining?
I'm sure that those prototype scamming videos will never takes place .
just be cautious and vigilant and trust me you will never be a victim ..NEVER!!!
scammers are only there if there are willing victims , because why need to deal in not so trusted casino when we can easily join the most trusted sites?
lol better not to deal with them because we are here to win and enjoy and not just to give our money to those scammers .
I watched a youtube video, a guy is showing how live roulette in online casinos scam us. after watching some part of video, i check the comment, and on 4th comment i found this guy telling how they scam us.
Lucky for me because I only choose to play in casino that I trust and also trusted by many and that is what I do believe is great for safeties and not becoming a scam victim.yes roulette is very easy to manipulate while the video given is indeed reliable , but if we choose to play in casino that care more about their reputation than profit?
then that will never takes place,
I watched a youtube video, a guy is showing how live roulette in online casinos scam us. after watching some part of video, i check the comment, and on 4th comment i found this guy telling how they scam us.
Lucky for me because I only choose to play in casino that I trust and also trusted by many and that is what I do believe is great for safeties and not becoming a scam victim.
yes roulette is very easy to manipulate while the video given is indeed reliable , but if we choose to play in casino that care more about their reputation than profit?
then that will never takes place,
Roobet.com is one safe place to play and surely you will never regret playing there.
and also with so many bonuses , events , give away and other stuff that Gamblers or even bitcointalk memers are gaining?
I'm sure that those prototype scamming videos will never takes place .
just be cautious and vigilant and trust me you will never be a victim ..NEVER!!!
Provable fair games or casinos has been a thing of question but somehow, you've got to play. You've got to find a casino that appeals to your conscience and gamble with them. It doesn't have to be 100% but, could be better than the lot out there.
Manipulation of games could happen or intact does happen but, you could be rest assured its not only about Roulette. The rest games that follows similar sequence could be manipulated as well by means of them charges as presented. Where negative to negative would repel while the positive does attract.
I've seen these charges switch in electromagnetism but, having it used this way, its something I hoped not still, I would say online casinos are doing the most they could to earn trust and we've got very fair ones out here.
I don't think a lot of casinos, reputable ones most especially will resort to this kind of exploitation to maximize their profits. The business model is already highly favoring towards them as it is and doesn't need any more alterations or whatnot, plus the risk of being found out and getting rebuked over the internet, leading to customer losses and other detrimental things just outweigh the benefits. Which is why I trust casinos/crypto casinos to never do things like this. Manipulation of games could happen or intact does happen but, you could be rest assured its not only about Roulette. The rest games that follows similar sequence could be manipulated as well by means of them charges as presented. Where negative to negative would repel while the positive does attract.
I've seen these charges switch in electromagnetism but, having it used this way, its something I hoped not still, I would say online casinos are doing the most they could to earn trust and we've got very fair ones out here.
And also the reason why I don't go out of my way to discover casinos besides the ones I already established my trust with. I don't and I couldn't gamble away my trust over extra prizes and bonuses, and am only here for fun and entertainment, so for the sake of being treated fairly I play on reputable casinos only.
Let’s assume they have such highly sophisticated system to jump the ball anywhere from 0-36 but I do not get the point here to do this.
At any given point, on any live casino and on any gambling site there are always hundred to thousand peeps are gambling their money on roulette table. How would the dealer know which number is most profitable to them?
At any given point, on any live casino and on any gambling site there are always hundred to thousand peeps are gambling their money on roulette table. How would the dealer know which number is most profitable to them?
It is simple they have the stats and they can know which one is profitable by just pressing a single button. We are in an automation era na. Manual stuff is jut the history of the past except for some cases of course.
Ideally speaking there is high chance that whole table is covered with some amount of money at any given time thus giving higher odds to casino on not losing anything. Why make such huge technology then?
Do you mean technology to cheat? Obviously, it is to get a huge gain in every game player. Maximizing profit is the name of the game here, I believe.
Provable fair games or casinos has been a thing of question but somehow, you've got to play. You've got to find a casino that appeals to your conscience and gamble with them. It doesn't have to be 100% but, could be better than the lot out there.
Manipulation of games could happen or intact does happen but, you could be rest assured its not only about Roulette. The rest games that follows similar sequence could be manipulated as well by means of them charges as presented. Where negative to negative would repel while the positive does attract.
I've seen these charges switch in electromagnetism but, having it used this way, its something I hoped not still, I would say online casinos are doing the most they could to earn trust and we've got very fair ones out here.
Manipulation of games could happen or intact does happen but, you could be rest assured its not only about Roulette. The rest games that follows similar sequence could be manipulated as well by means of them charges as presented. Where negative to negative would repel while the positive does attract.
I've seen these charges switch in electromagnetism but, having it used this way, its something I hoped not still, I would say online casinos are doing the most they could to earn trust and we've got very fair ones out here.
Let’s assume they have such highly sophisticated system to jump the ball anywhere from 0-36 but I do not get the point here to do this.
At any given point, on any live casino and on any gambling site there are always hundred to thousand peeps are gambling their money on roulette table. How would the dealer know which number is most profitable to them?
There are high odds that every number is accounted for by hundreds of bettors across single game.
Ideally speaking there is high chance that whole table is covered with some amount of money at any given time thus giving higher odds to casino on not losing anything. Why make such huge technology then?
At any given point, on any live casino and on any gambling site there are always hundred to thousand peeps are gambling their money on roulette table. How would the dealer know which number is most profitable to them?
There are high odds that every number is accounted for by hundreds of bettors across single game.
Ideally speaking there is high chance that whole table is covered with some amount of money at any given time thus giving higher odds to casino on not losing anything. Why make such huge technology then?
Yes, you are right on that point, it's just that sometimes even the license can be faked by the owner of a new casino here in the cryptocurrency business industry.
Yes, you are right on that point, I've seen some scams trying to do that. That's why it's important to check for licensing, read reviews, and verify the site is trusted and safe. But honestly, some people don't care about all that. They just want to gamble and don't care if it's fake or not. It's sad, but true.
That's why the others are okay with spending money even if it's fake so they're sure there are many foolish gamblers to enter large amounts of money to gamble on their platform, because this is what other gambling owners think here in the crypto space that cryptos are based on players in gambling games here.
I think the problem is that many people are attracted to the anonymity and lack of regulation in the crypto space, which makes it easier for shady operators to take advantage of them. I'm not sure if such people are foolish or just naive and uninformed... One thing's for sure, we need to be vigilant and stay informed about the casinos we're playing at. Don't let greed blind us and always be aware of the risks involved in gambling, especially in the volatile crypto space.
It is unlikely there was too much cheating on the early days of the roulette as the proposed method on the OP is very complex and could only be achieved with the use of modern technology, and even then I doubt there are many casinos which are doing something like this, because if they were discovered then no one will ever play there.
It is better we use a good casino. You said the cheating can be achieved with the use of modern technology? A remote can be used to control TV channels and TV itself, how much are the remotes sold? Not costly at all but cheap to afford. We are in a modern world too, not old era.But as I was watching the YouTube video, it is like the ball moved abnormally which can make me suspect cheating.
Cheating on the old days most likely was done in gambling games like blackjack or baccarat, as sleights of hand which are completely imperceptible to the eye have existed for a very long time.
Even it is possible that cheating can occur on real life roulette table. Only sport that I know that cheating may not occur, and that is when you go for big leagues that can not be fixed and manipulated. But I still prefer casinos as they have far bigger odds.There are somethings we need to pay a very careful attention to while gambling, user's experience which us very important because when they don't get their desired need meant, they will not return again, when a casino or slot game tend to have tendencies for scam or gamblers begin to suspect some unusual activities from what they offer, they take a leave because they get scammed, thesame way gamblers scam them they also scam gamblers if they got hacked or loose control of their security against scam.
I think that detecting that a slot machine is fraudulent is something very difficult to prove, as far as I am concerned I have never focused on winning in them, because it is something that I see as very difficult, I only play them to de-stress, and if I lose then I accept it And now, there is no possibility that I can claim, first because I like them, I enjoy them, I don't play them to make money, in case I win, I wouldn't feel bad, but I don't expect lastragmoands to gnar like for example when I play another game like poker. black jack or similar.
Well, that's a bit harsh, don't you think? Not all casinos are out to cheat their customers. However, that doesn't mean there aren't some bad apples in the casino industry who are out to cheat their customers. This risk may be particularly high with new casinos that lack a solid reputation or have dubious licenses and owners. One way to mitigate the risk is to look for casinos that are regulated by respected authorities and have a history of fair play.
- Yes, you are right on that point, it's just that sometimes even the license can be faked by the owner of a new casino here in the cryptocurrency business industry.
That's why the others are okay with spending money even if it's fake so they're sure there are many foolish gamblers to enter large amounts of money to gamble on their platform, because this is what other gambling owners think here in the crypto space that cryptos are based on players in gambling games here.
Thanks for your support mate!
Indeed, I'm tired of watching such videos, and it's even more annoying to see positive reaction to this garbage. 4k likes from losers that can't accept their losses without blaming someone!
And look at the pinned comment to the video:
A winning strategy for a totally luck-based game, FFS! What else do you need to see what kind of guy this RouletteMan is? But, no, some people just choose to be blind.
In a way this makes sense, if people came to accept the fact that they lost the money against a particular casino simply because that is how the games are designed to work and learn to move on, then how those which sell useless strategies are going to make money?Indeed, I'm tired of watching such videos, and it's even more annoying to see positive reaction to this garbage. 4k likes from losers that can't accept their losses without blaming someone!
And look at the pinned comment to the video:
A winning strategy for a totally luck-based game, FFS! What else do you need to see what kind of guy this RouletteMan is? But, no, some people just choose to be blind.
So they need to convince naive players that it is in fact possible to win in a luck based game, and some of the reasons that explain why this has not been the case yet is that they have been cheated and that they have yet to try the strategy they have created, reasons that we know are false but which will resonate with enough people so they keep trying those useless strategies.
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do you think, this is possible or they are already doing it? popular game providers like evolution, pragmatic, etc.
do you think, this is possible or they are already doing it? popular game providers like evolution, pragmatic, etc.
Reputable game providers will never do things like that, that's what I'm sure of. Morals aside, they are making good money without cheating anyone, Why risk ruining their reputation?
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Many gamblers "feel" that they are cheated by casinos, and so when there's a demand for this kind of info, there's going to be a supply.
I have experience something similar but that is when i was still new and know nothing from how scammers and legit casino operates.Quote
There are many of online casinos cheating their customers, no doubt about that. But saying "we are showing ... exactly what's happening with online roulette", like this guy in the video, without adding "on some sites" or something like that, makes this video looking more like a conspiracy theorists' stuff. I wasn't surprised by seeing this comment below the video
if this is true , then that guy should show which casino and he must stand with his accusation .Quote
Yeah "Wake up peeps! The governments are cheating everybody!" Bloody hell.
Thanks for your support mate!
Indeed, I'm tired of watching such videos, and it's even more annoying to see positive reaction to this garbage. 4k likes from losers that can't accept their losses without blaming someone!
And look at the pinned comment to the video:
A winning strategy for a totally luck-based game, FFS! What else do you need to see what kind of guy this RouletteMan is? But, no, some people just choose to be blind.
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do you think, this is possible or they are already doing it? popular game providers like evolution, pragmatic, etc.
do you think, this is possible or they are already doing it? popular game providers like evolution, pragmatic, etc.
Reputable game providers will never do things like that, that's what I'm sure of. Morals aside, they are making good money without cheating anyone, Why risk ruining their reputation?
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Many gamblers "feel" that they are cheated by casinos, and so when there's a demand for this kind of info, there's going to be a supply.
I have experience something similar but that is when i was still new and know nothing from how scammers and legit casino operates.Quote
There are many of online casinos cheating their customers, no doubt about that. But saying "we are showing ... exactly what's happening with online roulette", like this guy in the video, without adding "on some sites" or something like that, makes this video looking more like a conspiracy theorists' stuff. I wasn't surprised by seeing this comment below the video
if this is true , then that guy should show which casino and he must stand with his accusation .Quote
Yeah "Wake up peeps! The governments are cheating everybody!" Bloody hell.
I watched a youtube video, a guy is showing how live roulette in online casinos scam us. after watching some part of video, i check the comment, and on 4th comment i found this guy telling how they scam us.
"The practice when the roulette balls are made of piezoeletric ceramiC.The material used is Barium Titanate BaTiO3 on the surface, and Barium sulfate BaSO4 on the inside insulation.
The ball caries polarized surface charges when hit by anultrasonic sound wave. This is sent from the inter- digital transducers placed in the pockets of each number.
They send a wave to the ball that polarizes the surface with a negative charge.
The spoon/ pocket of the number olso negative; thereforethe ball jumps out trough electrostatic repulsion.
Each number pocket is controlled by a transistor called IGBT.
This transistor turn on the switch so that the pocket is negatively charged.
The control room computer leaves the pockets that it wants the ball to go in neutral or of.
This is akk maneged by the sophisticated software and computers.
So that why you can see situation when the ball geteither pushed out violentely od sucked into the exact to a number.
I am positive you know that the ball stick to a number like a dart and also ball being pushed out from the pocket after almost completestop.
So this would be yes this technique could be possibly used to manipulate the outcome.
This is happening on you live dealer wheels."
in comment of this video : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0rNhLySb0k
do you think, this is possible or they are already doing it? popular game providers like evolution, pragmatic, etc.
"The practice when the roulette balls are made of piezoeletric ceramiC.The material used is Barium Titanate BaTiO3 on the surface, and Barium sulfate BaSO4 on the inside insulation.
The ball caries polarized surface charges when hit by anultrasonic sound wave. This is sent from the inter- digital transducers placed in the pockets of each number.
They send a wave to the ball that polarizes the surface with a negative charge.
The spoon/ pocket of the number olso negative; thereforethe ball jumps out trough electrostatic repulsion.
Each number pocket is controlled by a transistor called IGBT.
This transistor turn on the switch so that the pocket is negatively charged.
The control room computer leaves the pockets that it wants the ball to go in neutral or of.
This is akk maneged by the sophisticated software and computers.
So that why you can see situation when the ball geteither pushed out violentely od sucked into the exact to a number.
I am positive you know that the ball stick to a number like a dart and also ball being pushed out from the pocket after almost completestop.
So this would be yes this technique could be possibly used to manipulate the outcome.
This is happening on you live dealer wheels."
in comment of this video : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0rNhLySb0k
do you think, this is possible or they are already doing it? popular game providers like evolution, pragmatic, etc.
Frauds in gambling have always been a problem. And launching gambling in the IT has widened the possibilities to deceive people. Roulette in casino is visible, and such tricks are more likely to be discovered by players standing close to it. And when the process goes in media, many fraud schemes are undiscoverable until leaks occur...
The guy's explanation is really convincing and I'm certain many live games are rigged, the problem is how to prove it!
Personally, I avoid playing games where I can't verify the results by myself. I either play provably fair games or sports betting and bet only on major leagues where there is a small chance for match fixing.
If you are a fun of live games then, at least, stick to the one from reputable providers.
I agree with you choosing to bet on types of bets that can be calculated by yourself, the results like sports betting will be better.Personally, I avoid playing games where I can't verify the results by myself. I either play provably fair games or sports betting and bet only on major leagues where there is a small chance for match fixing.
If you are a fun of live games then, at least, stick to the one from reputable providers.
Yes there may be some manipulation on sports betting but it is very rare and betting on sports betting is one way to keep gambling safe.
There is no such thing as safe gambling, and manipulations does happen in sports betting too. There are lots of them in lower leagues. It's just that many of them are hard to be spotted but it made sense because it will be a big problem if they will be discovered.
From that youtube comment, and looking at the details of how its done... the person sounds well informed of what happens behind the scenes, and this information comes from his/her experience in the control room or from a manufactures point of view and I have no doubt that these games are manipulated because too much money goes into gambling and the house wants to secure its share and keep them in business.
I t actually gets worse with American roulete where we have two zeros....
Btw, If its not caught on camera or something these allegations will always fall on deaf ears and needs concrete evidence to prove the manipulation that's going on because non will ever agree.
Scamming through roulette is definitely possible. However, can I ask you to gamble a same size bet on all 36 numbers except 0 and see if the casino manages to bring up number 0 only in the very same game? If they do, can you please repeat it and see if they do it again in the next game too?
I have seen people go out with such a strategy and it looks like bad luck at first glance, but believe you me, when its not your day to win it won't happen, at least if the house doesn't want you to win anyway I t actually gets worse with American roulete where we have two zeros....
I'm not favoring any casinos here and I know that such practices do take place in roulette, however not all of them would do it. As well, it's not the casino specifically but the game provider that does this and if that's true, we should never play games from such game providers because they'll only try to loot your money by making you lose every single bet. Even in the game of cards (be it blackjack, poker, andar bahar, etc.) I have witnessed that most of the times, dealer wins. So it's possible that they have something behind the scenes that we don't know about.
agreed, not all do it but the bad apples ruin the name for all out the there..Btw, If its not caught on camera or something these allegations will always fall on deaf ears and needs concrete evidence to prove the manipulation that's going on because non will ever agree.
I think this type of scam is possible when the casino there self run a roulette video means the live stream made my the own casino.
but most of the casino take video of live stream from game providers like evolution, pragmatic, etc. so if they want to scam player they need to change video for there profit, but on trusted casino's the video runs live without cheating so it's safe to play at trusted online casino and from trusted game providers.
there are thousands of casino's available if the game provider's were cheaters then definitely they got caught, surely someone spread the news that that game provider is cheating with customers but proving gsame on our platform(casino)
It is good that you cleared the theme and that is the cheating mostly happened in "Some Casino" and not the majority , as the game provider must be the one to be blamed if ever there is a uncommon things happened from the gaming.but most of the casino take video of live stream from game providers like evolution, pragmatic, etc. so if they want to scam player they need to change video for there profit, but on trusted casino's the video runs live without cheating so it's safe to play at trusted online casino and from trusted game providers.
there are thousands of casino's available if the game provider's were cheaters then definitely they got caught, surely someone spread the news that that game provider is cheating with customers but proving gsame on our platform(casino)
but also correct that there are possible scam directly from the site if they are the one providing the live streaming.
so it supports the most posts here about this is not about site but the provider in which I agree since day one .
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