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Yes, the math is in favor of the casino. It's a shame that the casino is even trying to cheat with an advantage with a decrease in the RTP and Live games
Fool with a drop in RTP?
Try to explain what kind of cheating casino with lowered RTP do you mean?
So far the RTP that casinos have assigned to slot games is to be able to give returns to gamblers when doing normal spins and no game other than slots has RTP.
The decrease in RTP is done not by the casino but by the slot game provider so maybe here you have a bit of a mistake in assuming that the casino is cheating or manipulating the RTP.
Live games can be manipulated because we don't really know whether the game is fair or not, but we can use trusted sites to avoid things like that.
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~ They are just bad losers, I am pretty sure you have met a lot of them not only in gambling but in life, they are the ones that cannot tolerate things not going their way and they even get mad when losing an insignificant board game or another non-transcendent activity.

So when they lose a lot of money when they gamble, they cannot help but to think that somehow they were cheated and create elaborate conspiracy theories about why this happened to them.
I agree with this. With many millions playing online roulette around the world, of course there are cases when gamblers lose more than expected, and some of them start creating these conspiracy theories. What they don't take into account is the opposite cases, when people win much more than expected. That's what makes the game attractive: you are not always losing exactly 5% of your money; you can lose all of it, or you can win a lot, depending on luck.
Leave the opposite cases, the same people, if they have won in a previous session they wouldn't even consider that, and as soon as they lose all their money or a higher percentage of it, they will start blaming the casino for that and will surely say that they have cheated them while the actual fact is that you will either win or lose since it's gambling and it's based on your luck.

Losing or winning more than expected is what the nature of gambling actually is, and that is what makes it fun in my opinion. You shouldn't enjoy gambling if you already know what the outcome would be, the expectation of winning something good makes you wanna keep gambling, but sometimes, it goes the other way around.

That's right, but not all people understand it. If they on a single number, they expect to win within 36 spins. And some of them are so "smart" that they they come up with the idea that those spins shouldn't be necessarily made by them. They just stand by and watch, and when a certain number wasn't hit for a long time, they start betting on it expecting it to come up soon. In some cases it does come up and they win, but what they fail to realize is that it's just luck, it's not like their "strategy is working" and it should always be like that.
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There is nothing worse than bad losers! They will tell you all kind of excuses just to prove that they've been cheated whilst the truth is that they were unlucky. I said they were the worst because they obviously have addiction problems and you don't know what their reaction might be.
They gamble because they think they can make money from gambling not because gambling is an entertainment activity.
They are simply "bad losers".

There are definitely some bad losers out there that are really hurt about their big loss and want go give something back to the casino. It doesn't necessarily have to be a gambling addict, it can just be someone who believes in revenge and wants to hurt the casino. Making claims that casino games are rigged come up on forums from time to time, but it's hard to really proof it. Only for someone to lose a few times in a row is no proof of rigged games. What could help would be that former casino employees step up and reveal how they were involved in rigging the systems, but so far I haven't heard about it. The big arguments against fake roulette systems is that the game by itself is already making money for the casino. With the 0 in the wheel the casino has a house edge as there is no more winning strategy.
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Many will still ask for a proof and they will not believe on this easily, well this is how gambling works and even the top site have their own hidden strategy to get more wins over the gamblers. If you want to fee that you are safe from any cheating then play on physical casinos with the card games. Playing with slots are also possible to get cheated, just try to have fun and try to unseen this.
gambling is meant for cheating that is what makes it a gambling so it is something that people does not understand if you are not being kicked in the morning it is very clear that there is nothing good that will come out from that particular gambling platform so we don't need to think about it otherwise because it is something that we experience every time in gambling session
They don't have to cheat to beat you at roulette. The odds will beat you.
Exactly, most people ignore the fact that the house already has an edge over the player and even if they don't cheat, they will still win most of the time. Casinos earn all their revenue because of the house edge because even if a gambler manages to win something and if they still keep gambling, they will eventually lose everything back to the house and goes out empty-handed.

Only casinos that have created their platforms for the sole purpose of cheating people might try things like this to get more money from those who are gambling with them, otherwise, they already earn a lot of revenue with their business model being against the players.

Yes, the math is in favor of the casino. It's a shame that the casino is even trying to cheat with an advantage with a decrease in the RTP and Live games
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Many will still ask for a proof and they will not believe on this easily, well this is how gambling works and even the top site have their own hidden strategy to get more wins over the gamblers. If you want to fee that you are safe from any cheating then play on physical casinos with the card games. Playing with slots are also possible to get cheated, just try to have fun and try to unseen this.
gambling is meant for cheating that is what makes it a gambling so it is something that people does not understand if you are not being kicked in the morning it is very clear that there is nothing good that will come out from that particular gambling platform so we don't need to think about it otherwise because it is something that we experience every time in gambling session
They don't have to cheat to beat you at roulette. The odds will beat you.
Exactly, most people ignore the fact that the house already has an edge over the player and even if they don't cheat, they will still win most of the time. Casinos earn all their revenue because of the house edge because even if a gambler manages to win something and if they still keep gambling, they will eventually lose everything back to the house and goes out empty-handed.

Only casinos that have created their platforms for the sole purpose of cheating people might try things like this to get more money from those who are gambling with them, otherwise, they already earn a lot of revenue with their business model being against the players.
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There is nothing worse than bad losers! They will tell you all kind of excuses just to prove that they've been cheated whilst the truth is that they were unlucky. I said they were the worst because they obviously have addiction problems and you don't know what their reaction might be.
They gamble because they think they can make money from gambling not because gambling is an entertainment activity.
They are simply "bad losers".

I would like to point out that being a bad loser does not necessarily mean one is addicted to gambling. Someone who is addicted can be a bad loser and continue go down the spiral of losing money irresponsibly. On the other hand, someone who is not addicted to gambling still can feel mad at their losses and blame anything but their bad luck, however, eventually they will move on and forget about that bad session they had.

Big difference, I would rather my brother to be a bad loser than a gambling addicted person. Just my two sats.  Wink
Because in gambling, gamblers are all losers. But why do we keep gambling even though we know the situation? Because we think we are happy doing this but if we think about earning money from gambling, madness, and blaming would come out. And now more gamblers are chasing their losses which is very unfortunate that won't ever happen. And the worse case is that the more we chase our money back, the more we lose. In the end, we empty our banks and even commit debts, that's how the casinos cheated us.
No one want to be a loser as a gambler that is why we need to understand that there are some casinos that do not want to see us winning everytime that is why they can think of a way to manipulate the system and make us lose as a gambler. It is important for us to know what we are doing or still yet we might become a big loser if we don't act fast.

You must have a very small sense of irony to talk about Casinos making us losers or cheating on us, while you are wearing that specific signature... I mean, you could have come up with something different to say on gambling fairness that does not completely go against the reputation of your signature.  Roll Eyes

Also, that is why open source and provably fairness is a thing, for us not to trust, but verify on the result gotten in a gambling session.
Not surprising and most people are really that actually saying those contradictory approach and words towards gambling platforms or casinos even they are wearing up gambling based signatures.  Cheesy
For the sake of post count then they would really be saying up something and doesnt mind on connecting out the dots on what they've been advertising and just sticking into the topic for such approach
on which it isnt really that new or surprising anymore.

How they could possibly able to apply it out specially on offline or physical places? If this video had came out then for sure roullete players on physical casinos that had seen up this method
would definitely be having suspicious eyes if this thing had been applied or not or its really that happening on the casino they are playing.In speaking about online things then
we know that we do have roll verifiers on which we could really check it out on our own or by ourselves.
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So obviously all of these wins from roulette are just planted in the entire history that it exists and even if they weigh those balls it's still would have results they wanted? My life has all been a lie then. I'm not that of a roulette fan but very certain that I want to avoid this game in the future or never play at all.
Many will still ask for a proof and they will not believe on this easily, well this is how gambling works and even the top site have their own hidden strategy to get more wins over the gamblers. If you want to fee that you are safe from any cheating then play on physical casinos with the card games. Playing with slots are also possible to get cheated, just try to have fun and try to unseen this.
gambling is meant for cheating that is what makes it a gambling so it is something that people does not understand if you are not being kicked in the morning it is very clear that there is nothing good that will come out from that particular gambling platform so we don't need to think about it otherwise because it is something that we experience every time in gambling session

They don't have to cheat to beat you at roulette. The odds will beat you.
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There is nothing worse than bad losers! They will tell you all kind of excuses just to prove that they've been cheated whilst the truth is that they were unlucky. I said they were the worst because they obviously have addiction problems and you don't know what their reaction might be.
They gamble because they think they can make money from gambling not because gambling is an entertainment activity.
They are simply "bad losers".

I would like to point out that being a bad loser does not necessarily mean one is addicted to gambling. Someone who is addicted can be a bad loser and continue go down the spiral of losing money irresponsibly. On the other hand, someone who is not addicted to gambling still can feel mad at their losses and blame anything but their bad luck, however, eventually they will move on and forget about that bad session they had.

Big difference, I would rather my brother to be a bad loser than a gambling addicted person. Just my two sats.  Wink
Because in gambling, gamblers are all losers. But why do we keep gambling even though we know the situation? Because we think we are happy doing this but if we think about earning money from gambling, madness, and blaming would come out. And now more gamblers are chasing their losses which is very unfortunate that won't ever happen. And the worse case is that the more we chase our money back, the more we lose. In the end, we empty our banks and even commit debts, that's how the casinos cheated us.
No one want to be a loser as a gambler that is why we need to understand that there are some casinos that do not want to see us winning everytime that is why they can think of a way to manipulate the system and make us lose as a gambler. It is important for us to know what we are doing or still yet we might become a big loser if we don't act fast.

You must have a very small sense of irony to talk about Casinos making us losers or cheating on us, while you are wearing that specific signature... I mean, you could have come up with something different to say on gambling fairness that does not completely go against the reputation of your signature.  Roll Eyes

Also, that is why open source and provably fairness is a thing, for us not to trust, but verify on the result gotten in a gambling session.
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So obviously all of these wins from roulette are just planted in the entire history that it exists and even if they weigh those balls it's still would have results they wanted? My life has all been a lie then. I'm not that of a roulette fan but very certain that I want to avoid this game in the future or never play at all.
Many will still ask for a proof and they will not believe on this easily, well this is how gambling works and even the top site have their own hidden strategy to get more wins over the gamblers. If you want to fee that you are safe from any cheating then play on physical casinos with the card games. Playing with slots are also possible to get cheated, just try to have fun and try to unseen this.
gambling is meant for cheating that is what makes it a gambling so it is something that people does not understand if you are not being kicked in the morning it is very clear that there is nothing good that will come out from that particular gambling platform so we don't need to think about it otherwise because it is something that we experience every time in gambling session
if you should have such mentality of saying that cheating is meant in gambling that means the plan of people in gambling or coming to gambling is not to be sincere so they have another negative mindset for coming I don't think that that is a good idea for your own explanation so gambling or not to be cheated it must work accordingly because
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So obviously all of these wins from roulette are just planted in the entire history that it exists and even if they weigh those balls it's still would have results they wanted? My life has all been a lie then. I'm not that of a roulette fan but very certain that I want to avoid this game in the future or never play at all.
Many will still ask for a proof and they will not believe on this easily, well this is how gambling works and even the top site have their own hidden strategy to get more wins over the gamblers. If you want to fee that you are safe from any cheating then play on physical casinos with the card games. Playing with slots are also possible to get cheated, just try to have fun and try to unseen this.
gambling is meant for cheating that is what makes it a gambling so it is something that people does not understand if you are not being kicked in the morning it is very clear that there is nothing good that will come out from that particular gambling platform so we don't need to think about it otherwise because it is something that we experience every time in gambling session
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There is nothing worse than bad losers! They will tell you all kind of excuses just to prove that they've been cheated whilst the truth is that they were unlucky. I said they were the worst because they obviously have addiction problems and you don't know what their reaction might be.
They gamble because they think they can make money from gambling not because gambling is an entertainment activity.
They are simply "bad losers".

I would like to point out that being a bad loser does not necessarily mean one is addicted to gambling. Someone who is addicted can be a bad loser and continue go down the spiral of losing money irresponsibly. On the other hand, someone who is not addicted to gambling still can feel mad at their losses and blame anything but their bad luck, however, eventually they will move on and forget about that bad session they had.

Big difference, I would rather my brother to be a bad loser than a gambling addicted person. Just my two sats.  Wink
Because in gambling, gamblers are all losers. But why do we keep gambling even though we know the situation? Because we think we are happy doing this but if we think about earning money from gambling, madness, and blaming would come out. And now more gamblers are chasing their losses which is very unfortunate that won't ever happen. And the worse case is that the more we chase our money back, the more we lose. In the end, we empty our banks and even commit debts, that's how the casinos cheated us.
No one want to be a loser as a gambler that is why we need to understand that there are some casinos that do not want to see us winning everytime that is why they can think of a way to manipulate the system and make us lose as a gambler. It is important for us to know what we are doing or still yet we might become a big loser if we don't act fast.
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There is nothing worse than bad losers! They will tell you all kind of excuses just to prove that they've been cheated whilst the truth is that they were unlucky. I said they were the worst because they obviously have addiction problems and you don't know what their reaction might be.
They gamble because they think they can make money from gambling not because gambling is an entertainment activity.
They are simply "bad losers".

I would like to point out that being a bad loser does not necessarily mean one is addicted to gambling. Someone who is addicted can be a bad loser and continue go down the spiral of losing money irresponsibly. On the other hand, someone who is not addicted to gambling still can feel mad at their losses and blame anything but their bad luck, however, eventually they will move on and forget about that bad session they had.

Big difference, I would rather my brother to be a bad loser than a gambling addicted person. Just my two sats.  Wink
Because in gambling, gamblers are all losers. But why do we keep gambling even though we know the situation? Because we think we are happy doing this but if we think about earning money from gambling, madness, and blaming would come out. And now more gamblers are chasing their losses which is very unfortunate that won't ever happen. And the worse case is that the more we chase our money back, the more we lose. In the end, we empty our banks and even commit debts, that's how the casinos cheated us.

I would not go as far as saying that all gamblers are losers, to be honest. Even though, most of us end up losing money, there are stories or life changing gains. I am sure you have read or heard about them.  Smiley

Also, I would not go as far as saying that casinos cheat on us either, at least Stake is explicit enough on the importance of responsible gambling and invite their clients to treat their session as pure entertainment, they have got a dedicated page for it, even.

Sounds fair enough to me, if you asked me.
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There is nothing worse than bad losers! They will tell you all kind of excuses just to prove that they've been cheated whilst the truth is that they were unlucky. I said they were the worst because they obviously have addiction problems and you don't know what their reaction might be.
They gamble because they think they can make money from gambling not because gambling is an entertainment activity.
They are simply "bad losers".

I would like to point out that being a bad loser does not necessarily mean one is addicted to gambling. Someone who is addicted can be a bad loser and continue go down the spiral of losing money irresponsibly. On the other hand, someone who is not addicted to gambling still can feel mad at their losses and blame anything but their bad luck, however, eventually they will move on and forget about that bad session they had.

Big difference, I would rather my brother to be a bad loser than a gambling addicted person. Just my two sats.  Wink
Because in gambling, gamblers are all losers. But why do we keep gambling even though we know the situation? Because we think we are happy doing this but if we think about earning money from gambling, madness, and blaming would come out. And now more gamblers are chasing their losses which is very unfortunate that won't ever happen. And the worse case is that the more we chase our money back, the more we lose. In the end, we empty our banks and even commit debts, that's how the casinos cheated us.
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There is nothing worse than bad losers! They will tell you all kind of excuses just to prove that they've been cheated whilst the truth is that they were unlucky. I said they were the worst because they obviously have addiction problems and you don't know what their reaction might be.
They gamble because they think they can make money from gambling not because gambling is an entertainment activity.
They are simply "bad losers".

I would like to point out that being a bad loser does not necessarily mean one is addicted to gambling. Someone who is addicted can be a bad loser and continue go down the spiral of losing money irresponsibly. On the other hand, someone who is not addicted to gambling still can feel mad at their losses and blame anything but their bad luck, however, eventually they will move on and forget about that bad session they had.

Big difference, I would rather my brother to be a bad loser than a gambling addicted person. Just my two sats.  Wink
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I think that here those who say that casinos cheat is because they have lost a lot and are not lucky enough when they stop at roulette to play , I think that one of the things is not knowing how to manage the balance they have, and they owe it lose very quickly ,Because it is Impossible that Only a few say that and not the majority , that is already an indication that things are working well, and I am not on the side of the casinos, it is only logical that a casino Always he will have the Advantage , and we as Players will not , we are Constantly Fighting to survive and make some profit apart from having fun.
Yes, right. We'd probably say the casino cheated because we lost. But the defeats we experience are because of our own fault for using too much money so we don't realize that the defeat will happen to us. Even though we have the chance to win, we can still experience defeat so we have to prevent it before it happens. The roulette game is based on luck which can help us win so we don't have to blame the casino if we lose. And when we lose, it's a real defeat that we experience, so we must accept it. If we're just having fun, of course, losing doesn't make us too disappointed because that's the risk.
We can say that casinos always win but that was not the truth as they also lost sometimes to someone who is too lucky of winning the jackpot. But they never felt it because not all gamblers are too lucky while thousands of gamblers had lost that day. Perhaps, winning a jackpot price in pure luck-based games is very slim which means that the majority will suffer losses while the casino earns more. Sometimes we could think that we got cheated, well, until there is no proof of that, it remains an assumption. Maybe this is really happened in non-reputable sites, but not those who already have a good name.
The question is did the lucky person purely hit the jackpot or was that person also part of the casino team?
I'm not saying all casinos, but for casinos that don't have a reputation and are not transparent, they will definitely do this manipulation, giving jackpots to people who are part of the casino team, but this is just my assumption.
Like the Roulette game that was told by the Op that there are indications of fraud in the Roulette game but there is no certainty whether it is true or false and all of that will only be an assumption as you say.
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They are just bad losers, I am pretty sure you have met a lot of them not only in gambling but in life, they are the ones that cannot tolerate things not going their way and they even get mad when losing an insignificant board game or another non-transcendent activity.

So when they lose a lot of money when they gamble, they cannot help but to think that somehow they were cheated and create elaborate conspiracy theories about why this happened to them.
Indeed, in my life I have met such people who simply raged and cursed dirty and loudly and even began to smash everything around when they lost even in some completely frivolous game. 
I concluded for myself that such a character, one might say explosive character, is characteristic of people with a schizophrenic mindset.  Not obvious schizophrenics, but people prone to the fact that they think that everyone offends them and is looking for conspiracy theories everywhere.  Of course, they are what is called a little strange people, but they cannot be called crazy either.  But I have met very few such people in my life. 
Nevertheless, they exist, and apparently it is these people who are capable of conducting all sorts of lengthy and more thorough investigations of abuses, for example, in gambling in a casino.  But in reality, it is precisely such abuses, as they thought up for themselves, that simply do not exist in life.
Your insights open up a Pandora's box of how folks handle the bitter pill of losses, not just at the casino table, but in the high-stakes game of life. The trend of pinning the blame on external baddies when the odds are stacked against us is rather widespread, but it's cranked up to eleven in some souls. This may not be a signal for schizophrenia, but rather an alert for cognitive distortions, where our mind spins a web of alternative truths.

In the roulette wheel of gambling, 'gambler's fallacy' is the celebrity cognitive distortion. This is where the gambler bets his boots that if something's been on a hot streak, it's due for a cold shower, and the other way round. Thus, those on a losing spree often craft elaborate conspiracy theories, swearing they've been hustled. As for your intriguing take on these individuals going full Sherlock in the gambling industry, it's definitely tweet-worthy. Their gumption might shine a light on under-the-table dealings, though it's critical to mention that their accusations are usually as baseless as a cloud, birthed from their cognitive distortions. By advocating mental health awareness and cognitive behavior therapies, we might help these folks hit ctrl+alt+del on their distorted worldviews and reframe their gambling habits.
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I watched a youtube video, a guy is showing how live roulette in online casinos scam us. after watching some part of video, i check the comment, and on 4th comment i found this guy telling how they scam us.


"The practice when the roulette balls are made of piezoeletric ceramiC.The material used is Barium Titanate BaTiO3 on the surface, and Barium sulfate BaSO4 on the inside insulation.
The ball caries polarized surface charges when hit by anultrasonic sound wave. This is sent from the inter- digital transducers placed in the pockets of each number.
They send a wave to the ball that polarizes the surface with a negative charge.
The spoon/ pocket  of the number olso negative; thereforethe ball jumps out trough electrostatic repulsion.
Each number pocket is controlled by a transistor called IGBT.
This transistor turn on the switch so that the pocket is negatively charged.
The control room computer leaves the pockets that it wants the ball to go in neutral or of.
This is akk maneged by the sophisticated software and computers.
So that why you can see situation when the ball geteither pushed out violentely od sucked into the exact to a number.
I am positive you know that the ball stick to a number like a dart and also ball being pushed out from the pocket after almost completestop.
So this would be yes this technique could be possibly used to manipulate the outcome.
This is happening on you live dealer wheels."

in comment of this video : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0rNhLySb0k

do you think, this is possible or they are already doing it? popular game providers like evolution, pragmatic, etc.
I'm not gonna challenge the credibility of the science behind this comment because I don't know anything of substance when it comes to physics and chemistry (which is what I assume is what is at play here) but as with my previous comment, and as with the comments that people have left here I think this is a bit far-reaching. The game is rigged against the player from the get-go, with little to no agency needed from the casino to bump those odds towards them so to actually cheat on these games against the gambler is a little overkill in my opinion. Although if the science is correct and you can really influence the pearl's/ball's movement, this could lead to speculation where some gamblers could exchange the ball for something that is of the same substance as you said above to help them win more games, don't you think?
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I laugh buddy hearing those who call casinos to cheat just because they lose.
Should we are aware that gambling will only provide definite opportunities, namely losing and losing, every gambler must have.

Sorry but I don't agree about your statement of definite opportunities.  It can be refuted by looking at the casino wagering result which is broadcast on its site.  We all know gambling outcome is random so there is no such thing as definite result in a casino, I think the right term would be probably result since casino depends on probability.  There are times when a player wins so saying the only result of gambling is losing is not appropriate.


We just try it while we are in gambling, the wins we get and the losses we get, of course, we will get far more losses because no gambler can really beat the house edge.

There should be a condition in this, there are players that gamble, win and quit never to return again.  These players obviously beat the house while there are gamblers who bet, win stop and come back again to gain mor winning but instead were beaten badly by the house.  This is where a gambler can not beat the house. I think house edge is there to give an advantage to the house and not for the gambler to beat.

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There is nothing worse than bad losers! They will tell you all kind of excuses just to prove that they've been cheated whilst the truth is that they were unlucky. I said they were the worst because they obviously have addiction problems and you don't know what their reaction might be.
They gamble because they think they can make money from gambling not because gambling is an entertainment activity.
They are simply "bad losers".
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