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What happens is that these are very delicate accusations, one could speculate about some casinos that could cheat, but boy is it very difficult , in my case I know that the casino that is declared to be cheating here in the forum is 1xbit,and That has been declared, there are many tests and the casino does not really take into account what many have told them so that they do not continue in these illegal activities of obtaining money in exchange for taking it from others, we also have to remember that it is valid that bcasinios always They will have the home Advantage, and the Additional advantage of each Game, since these things are what every Player must Fight for.


To be fair on known scammer 1xbit. They are not proven cheating against players using rigged games since they are just using 3rd party games like the other casino. They are known scammer for holding users balance and all their scam accusation case doesn’t related to cheating games.

I think there’s no known case in regards with the games on all existing casino except for those house game which is verifiable via hash seed. But the rest of the games of casino nowadays is close source which means you can only prove that they are cheating if you examine physically their machine or the provider release the source code of the game.
There's no way on knowing that and most of platforms nowadays are really just that including those providers specially with slot games on which same as you mentioned that there's no way on verifying those bets
since it would be a closed source. There's no way for an individual to point some fingers that they were really that rigged or not fair without having those evidence which is really a normal approach.
This is why there's nothing we can do but to embrace out on what are the outcomes.

In regarding about 1xbit then this is a platform on which they do held up their users funds and not on the games itself which it do makes them shit. About those roulette possible
rigging up then there's no way on proving it out when you are inside of a casino on which there's no way for us to point out fingers even if we do feel out there's something wrong.
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What happens is that these are very delicate accusations, one could speculate about some casinos that could cheat, but boy is it very difficult , in my case I know that the casino that is declared to be cheating here in the forum is 1xbit,and That has been declared, there are many tests and the casino does not really take into account what many have told them so that they do not continue in these illegal activities of obtaining money in exchange for taking it from others, we also have to remember that it is valid that bcasinios always They will have the home Advantage, and the Additional advantage of each Game, since these things are what every Player must Fight for.
It's not difficult as long as we can provide a solid proof. A casino can cheat through their games but we can always verify the results. I think almost casino has this feature now. We can contact their customer support first before posting a thread here but we must take a screenshot because they can delete the conversation or block your account if they are guilty.

There are so many casinos now and there are so many of them are scam but here in the forum 1xbit is the biggest and the most popular. It's only unfortunate to see that 1xbit still continues their operation so there are still people outside the forum who can get victimized but it's also their fault for not doing their research.
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What happens is that these are very delicate accusations, one could speculate about some casinos that could cheat, but boy is it very difficult , in my case I know that the casino that is declared to be cheating here in the forum is 1xbit,and That has been declared, there are many tests and the casino does not really take into account what many have told them so that they do not continue in these illegal activities of obtaining money in exchange for taking it from others, we also have to remember that it is valid that bcasinios always They will have the home Advantage, and the Additional advantage of each Game, since these things are what every Player must Fight for.


To be fair on known scammer 1xbit. They are not proven cheating against players using rigged games since they are just using 3rd party games like the other casino. They are known scammer for holding users balance and all their scam accusation case doesn’t related to cheating games.

I think there’s no known case in regards with the games on all existing casino except for those house game which is verifiable via hash seed. But the rest of the games of casino nowadays is close source which means you can only prove that they are cheating if you examine physically their machine or the provider release the source code of the game.
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I always suspect that some form of manipulation on the balls and the pockets are happening when the high rollers come in. Though for a normal table with low-medium bets, I doubt they’ll risk getting caught as most of these people in this bracket are the ones who are overanalyzing everything. But yeah, it’s not really a shock to me if in case they’re really doing something like this given how sophisticated tech has become and how much money casinos are making to have access to this type of tech and apply it on their games.
Casinos have their own way of doing it that we as gamblers don't need to know, after all it's not something uncommon for casinos to cheat or manipulate games, casinos can earn big money from what they do, I'm not a roulette gambler but I believe that there is interference hands of the casino in roulette and other slot machine games.

I don't want to say much about the casinos that do this because not all casinos are cheating because there are some big casinos that are provably fair so they are more worth playing than the small casinos, sometimes only the small casinos might be able to do that because they want to earn a lot of money from gamblers.
What happens is that these are very delicate accusations, one could speculate about some casinos that could cheat, but boy is it very difficult , in my case I know that the casino that is declared to be cheating here in the forum is 1xbit,and That has been declared, there are many tests and the casino does not really take into account what many have told them so that they do not continue in these illegal activities of obtaining money in exchange for taking it from others, we also have to remember that it is valid that bcasinios always They will have the home Advantage, and the Additional advantage of each Game, since these things are what every Player must Fight for.
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They cheat not only on roulette, but also in Baccarat, Blackjack, wheels.The maps appear to be using computer graphics. I used to play baccarat often and managed to win often. But in the last few years, the balance has completely disappeared. A year ago, I gave up live games, after which I began to withdraw money from the casino often, winning on slots!
Here is a video with proofs - https://youtu.be/21ynUBhBtR0
When you can't get a win from some of the games that you have mentioned, do you assume that gambling sites are deceptive?
You can't say they're cheating just because circumstances change and you can't win them every game anymore.
Maybe luck is not on your side, buddy, so in every game it is more difficult to win.

You win at slot games, it's luck and there are no factors other than luck that can give you a win in every game.
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That's an interesting take on live roulette gambling and the user seems to have really investigated the topic. I have heard about it in the past that the roulette ball and wheel can be  manipulated to give one party an advantage. The question is would you risk your whole reputation to scam a few customers? I know from some physical casinos that also run online live roulette tables and they use the exact same tables as in their physical casino. If news come out the tables are not legit than the casino could close it's doors, nobody would visit again. I don't think the risk pays of for the casino, because roulette is already a profitable game by itself. The green numbers 0 and 00 ensure that long term the casino will make money with their tables. Hopefully this was a minor incident and won't be discovered at other casinos too.
Well, one can easily find a lot of such incidents and things that will make it suspicious that the casino is cheating the gamblers and not being totally honest with the bettors and the outcomes of the games, it might be true sometimes if the casino is not very reputable and pretty new but it isn't always correct especially when there is a reputable casino in question.

Besides, every single gambler playing at a table will surely sense it if the casino is cheating them with every high bet they make because it is not possible for the house to win every single bet when a gambler has a high stake.
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I personally have been reading about the attitudes of roulette games organizers and I did not really see it as a thing to worry about because I have not had the experience with them. When I decided to try the game, I got registered on one of the roulette game and it is a live casino though so J had a little confidence in the system of being reliable, transparent and credible. I played several times and won big but I never made any withdrawal. One day the funny happened. While playing live I noticed how the staff present packed up after I had placed a bet, after taking their records, they went in while my bet was still pending I had to chat their live pm nobody responded and after a while waiting someone came in and I noticed a change in his behavior and there the game continued and I lost virtually all my bets and funds I used. Ever since that experience, I stopped roulette games and marked tat casino to not near them anymore.
Did you warn others about the platform so that no one else had to face the same thing that you did? If not, you should have, because what happened to you is shady as hell and a casino shouldn't be that way. If there is a problem in the live feed or something or any other technical problems occur, the support team should let you know and refund the money.

I wouldn't blame all the casinos for that nor the game of roulette but the platform that you were using should obviously be avoided by anyone not only for playing roulette but for any game they offer since they can do this for any game they are offering.

Those platforms should be avoided at any cost because I also think that if they can do that for Roulette than they can do that for any other game without any obligations. Their main intention is to scam users and such platforms will find ways to scam users with various tricks and most of them are not known to us yet.

I have done some bets on a good casino site that I won't name because that'll fall into promotion category if I do that, the casino was doing the things fairly but I believe that there are many such casinos doing shady things and the users should avoid those casinos at any cost.

I still believe that not every casino site is doing these things and the reputable ones would never let their image go down by scamming others. They are already making a lot from their casinos so they don't need to scam users to earn extra income.
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I personally have been reading about the attitudes of roulette games organizers and I did not really see it as a thing to worry about because I have not had the experience with them. When I decided to try the game, I got registered on one of the roulette game and it is a live casino though so J had a little confidence in the system of being reliable, transparent and credible. I played several times and won big but I never made any withdrawal. One day the funny happened. While playing live I noticed how the staff present packed up after I had placed a bet, after taking their records, they went in while my bet was still pending I had to chat their live pm nobody responded and after a while waiting someone came in and I noticed a change in his behavior and there the game continued and I lost virtually all my bets and funds I used. Ever since that experience, I stopped roulette games and marked tat casino to not near them anymore.
Did you warn others about the platform so that no one else had to face the same thing that you did? If not, you should have, because what happened to you is shady as hell and a casino shouldn't be that way. If there is a problem in the live feed or something or any other technical problems occur, the support team should let you know and refund the money.

I wouldn't blame all the casinos for that nor the game of roulette but the platform that you were using should obviously be avoided by anyone not only for playing roulette but for any game they offer since they can do this for any game they are offering.
I don't play roulette very often but so far, when I do play roulette, nothing strange has happened (or I haven't been paying attention). But even though I experienced the weirdness and knew it was weird, I guess I wouldn't take any action either because I was too lazy to argue over small money. And luckily, I've never won big at roulette either so maybe nothing weird has happened to me.

But it's true that if we notice something odd about the casino, we should warn others or at least we can make a review here and ask the opinion of other friends. I think there must be friends here who also have the same experience or have even played at the casino so we can find out what really happened.
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I personally have been reading about the attitudes of roulette games organizers and I did not really see it as a thing to worry about because I have not had the experience with them. When I decided to try the game, I got registered on one of the roulette game and it is a live casino though so J had a little confidence in the system of being reliable, transparent and credible. I played several times and won big but I never made any withdrawal. One day the funny happened. While playing live I noticed how the staff present packed up after I had placed a bet, after taking their records, they went in while my bet was still pending I had to chat their live pm nobody responded and after a while waiting someone came in and I noticed a change in his behavior and there the game continued and I lost virtually all my bets and funds I used. Ever since that experience, I stopped roulette games and marked tat casino to not near them anymore.
Did you warn others about the platform so that no one else had to face the same thing that you did? If not, you should have, because what happened to you is shady as hell and a casino shouldn't be that way. If there is a problem in the live feed or something or any other technical problems occur, the support team should let you know and refund the money.

I wouldn't blame all the casinos for that nor the game of roulette but the platform that you were using should obviously be avoided by anyone not only for playing roulette but for any game they offer since they can do this for any game they are offering.
Without a doubt, this fiasco casts a harsh light on the credibility of the online gambling community we all enjoy. Like the enigma behind the Last Supper artwork, this one has to be solved. You have to understand that the algorithms powering these online casinos - especially the live games - are a labyrinth. Something went wrong with their operation; either a technical glitch or, heaven forbid, a deliberate attempt at deception.

Choose your online gambling establishment with the care you'd take picking a lock on a safe. Verify the RNG is legitimate by looking for a golden licence. The main thing is clarity. The best ones will wear their random number generator (RNG) and licence like a badge of honour. Also, the best casinos have first-rate support staff. Their lack of noise when you play? A loud alarm goes off. You can avoid unpleasant shocks by checking their reviews and the quality of their customer service. Don't part with your cash without first doing some research. If it's worth its salt, a casino will treat its customers like royalty and answer their questions in the speed of light.
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They cheat not only on roulette, but also in Baccarat, Blackjack, wheels.The maps appear to be using computer graphics. I used to play baccarat often and managed to win often. But in the last few years, the balance has completely disappeared. A year ago, I gave up live games, after which I began to withdraw money from the casino often, winning on slots!
Here is a video with proofs - https://youtu.be/21ynUBhBtR0
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do you think, this is possible or they are already doing it? popular game providers like evolution, pragmatic, etc.

That's an interesting take on live roulette gambling and the user seems to have really investigated the topic. I have heard about it in the past that the roulette ball and wheel can be  manipulated to give one party an advantage. The question is would you risk your whole reputation to scam a few customers? I know from some physical casinos that also run online live roulette tables and they use the exact same tables as in their physical casino. If news come out the tables are not legit than the casino could close it's doors, nobody would visit again. I don't think the risk pays of for the casino, because roulette is already a profitable game by itself. The green numbers 0 and 00 ensure that long term the casino will make money with their tables. Hopefully this was a minor incident and won't be discovered at other casinos too.
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I personally have been reading about the attitudes of roulette games organizers and I did not really see it as a thing to worry about because I have not had the experience with them. When I decided to try the game, I got registered on one of the roulette game and it is a live casino though so J had a little confidence in the system of being reliable, transparent and credible. I played several times and won big but I never made any withdrawal. One day the funny happened. While playing live I noticed how the staff present packed up after I had placed a bet, after taking their records, they went in while my bet was still pending I had to chat their live pm nobody responded and after a while waiting someone came in and I noticed a change in his behavior and there the game continued and I lost virtually all my bets and funds I used. Ever since that experience, I stopped roulette games and marked tat casino to not near them anymore.
Did you warn others about the platform so that no one else had to face the same thing that you did? If not, you should have, because what happened to you is shady as hell and a casino shouldn't be that way. If there is a problem in the live feed or something or any other technical problems occur, the support team should let you know and refund the money.

I wouldn't blame all the casinos for that nor the game of roulette but the platform that you were using should obviously be avoided by anyone not only for playing roulette but for any game they offer since they can do this for any game they are offering.
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Scamming through roulette is definitely possible. However, can I ask you to gamble a same size bet on all 36 numbers except 0 and see if the casino manages to bring up number 0 only in the very same game? If they do, can you please repeat it and see if they do it again in the next game too? I'm not favoring any casinos here and I know that such practices do take place in roulette, however not all of them would do it.  As well, it's not the casino specifically but the game provider that does this and if that's true, we should never play games from such game providers because they'll only try to loot your money by making you lose every single bet. Even in the game of cards (be it blackjack, poker, andar bahar, etc.) I have witnessed that most of the times, dealer wins. So it's possible that they have something behind the scenes that we don't know about.
The problem with that is, in online casinos there are a lot of people betting on various numbers and other things like odd and even etc. So, unless you find a time when the whole casino is empty, its probably not gonna work. Also, I'm sure they don't make it that obvious if the casino is actually rigged. I'm sure they are smart enough to no rig it everytime or it would be blatantly obvious and easily caught.
They obviously don't make it so obvious, even a kid would know that he is being cheated if this kind of practice is done with them where he leaves only one number blank and only that number comes up every single time. Even if a casino cheats, they do it in such a way that their gamblers won't even realize that they are actually being cheated.

When it comes to roulette, I think cheating on it can be pretty easy since there are a lot of outcomes and no one would even doubt if the outcome has been manipulated or controlled by the management in any way possible.
There's no way that they would be making out too obvious for some gamblers would be able to caught up on what they've been doing secretly. Somewhat you could really be able to assume out that the possibility is there specially that we've seen out this kind of way or method of cheating which we cant even tell if this one had already been done out on some cases or simply just newly been busted up or it cant be possible
since its way too obvious?

On the time that you are playing and you've noticed out something in your very own eyes, Then what you would gonna do? Would you really tend to make up some moment on suing them out directly?
What if your accusations were wrong? For sure you would be having doubts on pushing out that kind of justice just because you do have those hunches that you've been cheated.
This is why if ever someone do make out some possible observation or have odd feeling then they would surely just keep it on their own rather than on making a scene.
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I have played roulette and I really like it, I think you have a better chance of winning than a slot machine, I like to bet only on colors and 0, it seems to me that they are the safest bets and I reduce the chances of losing, I think I have more option to win when I bet on a color and on 0, because somehow a color has to fall or else the zero falls, so that is something that I learned by myself, I don't know if it is in the best options to play, but in I have tried roulette when I only bet on certain numbers my probability of losing is much higher, and I want to always win, I think we all want to win and if those options can be increased it is better.
Well, slot machines are still the most loved and played gambling games in the world and the reason for that is probably the possibility of winning very big amounts due to the high multipliers that they provide while in roulette, you can't get that much even if you win a bet or two, also, the graphical user interfaces and gameplay of slot machines attract a lot of users.

Slots machine are popular because of how it was designed.  It is designed to entice people and connect with the senses of the player through hearing, and sight.  If we try to observe a slot game, it has a good design and audio that is not tiring to watch and listen to.  All gambling games have the possibility to win huge amounts but slots lead them because of their design.

When it comes to roulette, I think cheating on it can be pretty easy since there are a lot of outcomes and no one would even doubt if the outcome has been manipulated or controlled by the management in any way possible.


True no one will expect that the machine used is rigged and manipulated by the operator unless they overdo their cheating and make the ball defy the law of gravity and momentum.

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Scamming through roulette is definitely possible. However, can I ask you to gamble a same size bet on all 36 numbers except 0 and see if the casino manages to bring up number 0 only in the very same game? If they do, can you please repeat it and see if they do it again in the next game too? I'm not favoring any casinos here and I know that such practices do take place in roulette, however not all of them would do it.  As well, it's not the casino specifically but the game provider that does this and if that's true, we should never play games from such game providers because they'll only try to loot your money by making you lose every single bet. Even in the game of cards (be it blackjack, poker, andar bahar, etc.) I have witnessed that most of the times, dealer wins. So it's possible that they have something behind the scenes that we don't know about.
The problem with that is, in online casinos there are a lot of people betting on various numbers and other things like odd and even etc. So, unless you find a time when the whole casino is empty, its probably not gonna work. Also, I'm sure they don't make it that obvious if the casino is actually rigged. I'm sure they are smart enough to no rig it everytime or it would be blatantly obvious and easily caught.
They obviously don't make it so obvious, even a kid would know that he is being cheated if this kind of practice is done with them where he leaves only one number blank and only that number comes up every single time. Even if a casino cheats, they do it in such a way that their gamblers won't even realize that they are actually being cheated.

When it comes to roulette, I think cheating on it can be pretty easy since there are a lot of outcomes and no one would even doubt if the outcome has been manipulated or controlled by the management in any way possible.
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With the level of technology that's available to humans now it's very possible to remotely influence the outcome of every spin as a way to reduce winnings to it's barest minimum. Game providers are the ones in the frontline of any cheat that is being experienced in online casinos but there are other better ways to do things fairly to still keep business running and profitable at same time without having to defraud people behind the scene.

 For any online casino that cares so much about reputation and gaining trust from their customers I believe that the best interpretation they can give to that is to refute any cheat game cause there are lots of gamblers that definitely pays attention to these acts because it doesn't give value to their hard earned money.
Now that the technology aspect we are into is advancing everyday, we should expect more of these things to surface especially people seeking for a way to manipulate systems to get what they really wants.
 Now we now have chatgpt that is advising with fast speed and other artificial intelligence that are coming up with great improvement. It will soon get to a time where many system is going to be compromised because of how technology is advancing.
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That is what called Lightning game mate , those highlighted numbers are the given for big bonuses.
but also like what said in the OP , every game in online gambling now ahs a chance of rigging and I hate seeing those.
specially in lightning games that promise really huge amount of wins comparing to normal roulette games.
But this type of roulette game used to give me a sizable win where the number I bet was placed in the multiplier and that number succeeded in becoming the number occupied by the ball that stopped spinning, but now it's more difficult than I imagined.
Even though it's hard to win, I can't really assume that some of these games have been rigged because we ourselves don't know how it really happened.
Instead of thinking about things that are not clear, I prefer to move on to other games that can provide fun and can be relied on.

I have played roulette and I really like it, I think you have a better chance of winning than a slot machine, I like to bet only on colors and 0, it seems to me that they are the safest bets and I reduce the chances of losing, I think I have more option to win when I bet on a color and on 0, because somehow a color has to fall or else the zero falls, so that is something that I learned by myself, I don't know if it is in the best options to play, but in I have tried roulette when I only bet on certain numbers my probability of losing is much higher, and I want to always win, I think we all want to win and if those options can be increased it is better.

What you say is true when I bet on numbers the chance of winning is smaller and if I bet on the pool there are 3 and I have to choose one of them.
The method you use is quite good where you bet on colors because there are only 2 colors and the chances of winning are greater than choosing numbers.
The choice of number 0 is a little difficult to win because remember that the number 0 very rarely comes out when the ball stops.
It seems that you are quite experienced in playing roulette, friend, good luck in every roulette game session you play.
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That is what called Lightning game mate , those highlighted numbers are the given for big bonuses.
but also like what said in the OP , every game in online gambling now ahs a chance of rigging and I hate seeing those.
specially in lightning games that promise really huge amount of wins comparing to normal roulette games.
But this type of roulette game used to give me a sizable win where the number I bet was placed in the multiplier and that number succeeded in becoming the number occupied by the ball that stopped spinning, but now it's more difficult than I imagined.
That is the essence of the game mate , it become more difficult but it is more profitable , the only thing you need is find luck and you will easily succeed in your gambling activities .

but nowadays i stopped playing lightning instead i choose regular roulette in which there is little than that to earn but at least not that difficult to deal with.

I love playing in Duelbits.com https://duelbits.com/ and believe me , it is worth a play.

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Even though it's hard to win, I can't really assume that some of these games have been rigged because we ourselves don't know how it really happened.
Instead of thinking about things that are not clear, I prefer to move on to other games that can provide fun and can be relied on.
well that is what we must do , and besides what will be the return if we cry because of the rigged games?

lets just find a better site and trust me , you will never experience such that .
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With the level of technology that's available to humans now it's very possible to remotely influence the outcome of every spin as a way to reduce winnings to it's barest minimum. Game providers are the ones in the frontline of any cheat that is being experienced in online casinos but there are other better ways to do things fairly to still keep business running and profitable at same time without having to defraud people behind the scene.

 For any online casino that cares so much about reputation and gaining trust from their customers I believe that the best interpretation they can give to that is to refute any cheat game cause there are lots of gamblers that definitely pays attention to these acts because it doesn't give value to their hard earned money.
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Scamming through roulette is definitely possible. However, can I ask you to gamble a same size bet on all 36 numbers except 0 and see if the casino manages to bring up number 0 only in the very same game? If they do, can you please repeat it and see if they do it again in the next game too? I'm not favoring any casinos here and I know that such practices do take place in roulette, however not all of them would do it.  As well, it's not the casino specifically but the game provider that does this and if that's true, we should never play games from such game providers because they'll only try to loot your money by making you lose every single bet. Even in the game of cards (be it blackjack, poker, andar bahar, etc.) I have witnessed that most of the times, dealer wins. So it's possible that they have something behind the scenes that we don't know about.
The problem with that is, in online casinos there are a lot of people betting on various numbers and other things like odd and even etc. So, unless you find a time when the whole casino is empty, its probably not gonna work. Also, I'm sure they don't make it that obvious if the casino is actually rigged. I'm sure they are smart enough to no rig it everytime or it would be blatantly obvious and easily caught.
While without a doubt is possible there are casinos that cheat their customers at the roulette, such a thing will require such a complex mechanism that it makes way more sense for the casino to simply change their payout structure, this way they can achieve the same effect without cheating anyone.

Besides a great deal of the accusations against casinos come from gamblers which are sore losers and they cannot accept it is indeed possible to lose many times in a row and lose all their capital, especially if they are not careful.
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