Obviously you have not been scared by the terrorist operation in Paris. You sir are the jihaddi's great fear, someone with a backbone.
Whats your analysis of the situation ?
Topic: to Europeans: can you please try explain to me why your countries accept Muslims - page 5. (Read 10449 times)
November 19, 2015, 06:48:52 PM
Whats your analysis of the situation ?
November 19, 2015, 04:47:58 PM
My country accept them cause Europe says so and Europe most possibly because that way we can have some more terrorism. I bet all that is because they want to spy on us bit more, just like USA does to their citizens. I really cant imagine other reason.
How about money? That thing that seems uppermost in the minds of most people? Imagine that. War, weapons sales? It seems kind of likely that weapons manufacturers are interested in the weapons being used. It´s a business. Usually businessmen are interested in repeat sales at least they´re more interested in that than going out of business because the market has dried up. And I think we can safely assume that management and shareholders are very interested in the share prices.
You are spot on bro, follow the money every time:
http://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/oireachtas/mick-wallace-says-arms-industry-shares-up-4-in-three-days-1.2433873
And if you follow the money trail far enough it usually lead you back to Saudi Arabia, a country literally run by religious extremists and armed by NATO. Oh but they are our buddies so we never talk about that.
I'm calling you out on this. It's an easy, glib thing to say. But is it true?
I have reason to think it is not true, that Saudi funds the money trail of ISIS.
So if you want to assert it, can you prove it?
Thanks.
November 19, 2015, 04:08:09 PM
I don't understand how Europeans decided it was a good idea to accept muslim immigrants and asylum seekers, refugees etc etc
can someone explain to me the thought process of how local Europeans and their governments decided being over run by muslims was a good strategy for the future of Europe?
I truly believe Islam is not compatible with democracy and the western world, but that is another debate.
can someone explain to me the thought process of how local Europeans and their governments decided being over run by muslims was a good strategy for the future of Europe?
I truly believe Islam is not compatible with democracy and the western world, but that is another debate.
Where are you from?
Why do you believe Islam is not compatible with democracy?
Are you not for helping people in need?
November 19, 2015, 03:40:59 PM
Well being a muslim i believe on humanity and respect for other religions existing in the world. The refugees are also suffered due to this stupid terrorism on the name of Islam. But unfortunately some people who seems that they are right and Extremisms is the right way. But they totally wrong there is no justification of stupid attacks. Yes it is the good human behavior of western countries to gave poor muslims a safe shelter. 99% of muslims are peaceful.
November 19, 2015, 02:55:18 PM
My country accept them cause Europe says so and Europe most possibly because that way we can have some more terrorism. I bet all that is because they want to spy on us bit more, just like USA does to their citizens. I really cant imagine other reason.
How about money? That thing that seems uppermost in the minds of most people? Imagine that. War, weapons sales? It seems kind of likely that weapons manufacturers are interested in the weapons being used. It´s a business. Usually businessmen are interested in repeat sales at least they´re more interested in that than going out of business because the market has dried up. And I think we can safely assume that management and shareholders are very interested in the share prices.
You are spot on bro, follow the money every time:
http://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/oireachtas/mick-wallace-says-arms-industry-shares-up-4-in-three-days-1.2433873
And if you follow the money trail far enough it usually lead you back to Saudi Arabia, a country literally run by religious extremists and armed by NATO. Oh but they are our buddies so we never talk about that.
Yeah, as usual when lots of hot air is being spewed by politicians and presstitutes it´s best to focus on what they avoid mentioning. Especially if it´s an elementary-my-dear-watson thing like money and financial interests. And of course always watch what whey do more closely than what they say.
November 19, 2015, 02:32:08 PM
My country accept them cause Europe says so and Europe most possibly because that way we can have some more terrorism. I bet all that is because they want to spy on us bit more, just like USA does to their citizens. I really cant imagine other reason.
How about money? That thing that seems uppermost in the minds of most people? Imagine that. War, weapons sales? It seems kind of likely that weapons manufacturers are interested in the weapons being used. It´s a business. Usually businessmen are interested in repeat sales at least they´re more interested in that than going out of business because the market has dried up. And I think we can safely assume that management and shareholders are very interested in the share prices.
You are spot on bro, follow the money every time:
http://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/oireachtas/mick-wallace-says-arms-industry-shares-up-4-in-three-days-1.2433873
And if you follow the money trail far enough it usually lead you back to Saudi Arabia, a country literally run by religious extremists and armed by NATO. Oh but they are our buddies so we never talk about that.
November 19, 2015, 01:41:55 PM
" to Europeans: can you please try explain to me why your countries accept Muslims"
There were 4 people that perpetrated the attacks on London on 7th July, 2005.
2 were born in Leeds, West Yorkshire.
1 was born in Bradford, West Yorkshire.
And one was raised from the age of 5 in West Yorkshire, having come across from Jamaica.
They were British.
The problem is not one of Europe accepting Muslims - neither is it one of complex encryption algorithms.
It is a problem which to the people of the West is hidden, and for which there is no pertinent dialogue. The only narrative is that supplied by the state controlled media.
The problem, it seems to me, is in large part, the West attempting to guarantee its own energy security by occupying, either directly or indirectly, oil rich states in the middle East - or ones that strategically are important to the supply of oil (and/or the security of Israel within the region).
If we want to prevent another atrocity such as the one that occurred in Paris last Friday night, then I reckon we need to start having a grown up discussion about these issues.
Well said. Obviously you have not been scared by the terrorist operation in Paris. You sir are the jihaddi's great fear, someone with a backbone. There were 4 people that perpetrated the attacks on London on 7th July, 2005.
2 were born in Leeds, West Yorkshire.
1 was born in Bradford, West Yorkshire.
And one was raised from the age of 5 in West Yorkshire, having come across from Jamaica.
They were British.
The problem is not one of Europe accepting Muslims - neither is it one of complex encryption algorithms.
It is a problem which to the people of the West is hidden, and for which there is no pertinent dialogue. The only narrative is that supplied by the state controlled media.
The problem, it seems to me, is in large part, the West attempting to guarantee its own energy security by occupying, either directly or indirectly, oil rich states in the middle East - or ones that strategically are important to the supply of oil (and/or the security of Israel within the region).
If we want to prevent another atrocity such as the one that occurred in Paris last Friday night, then I reckon we need to start having a grown up discussion about these issues.
November 19, 2015, 12:47:19 PM
" to Europeans: can you please try explain to me why your countries accept Muslims"
There were 4 people that perpetrated the attacks on London on 7th July, 2005.
2 were born in Leeds, West Yorkshire.
1 was born in Bradford, West Yorkshire.
And one was raised from the age of 5 in West Yorkshire, having come across from Jamaica.
They were British.
The problem is not one of Europe accepting Muslims - neither is it one of complex encryption algorithms.
It is a problem which to the people of the West is hidden, and for which there is no pertinent dialogue. The only narrative is that supplied by the state controlled media.
The problem, it seems to me, is in large part, the West attempting to guarantee its own energy security by occupying, either directly or indirectly, oil rich states in the middle East - or ones that strategically are important to the supply of oil (and/or the security of Israel within the region).
If we want to prevent another atrocity such as the one that occurred in Paris last Friday night, then I reckon we need to start having a grown up discussion about these issues.
There were 4 people that perpetrated the attacks on London on 7th July, 2005.
2 were born in Leeds, West Yorkshire.
1 was born in Bradford, West Yorkshire.
And one was raised from the age of 5 in West Yorkshire, having come across from Jamaica.
They were British.
The problem is not one of Europe accepting Muslims - neither is it one of complex encryption algorithms.
It is a problem which to the people of the West is hidden, and for which there is no pertinent dialogue. The only narrative is that supplied by the state controlled media.
The problem, it seems to me, is in large part, the West attempting to guarantee its own energy security by occupying, either directly or indirectly, oil rich states in the middle East - or ones that strategically are important to the supply of oil (and/or the security of Israel within the region).
If we want to prevent another atrocity such as the one that occurred in Paris last Friday night, then I reckon we need to start having a grown up discussion about these issues.
November 19, 2015, 12:25:50 PM
I'm going to sponsor a Syrian family to stay with me. Anybody know an agency/NGO helping the refugees? My home is open. 
Never mind, I found a contact.
EDIT: Ok, I have put aside 2K $USD to help with expenses and basic needs while the family settles in. I hope to be of some help in navigating the systems here in America. I'll also see what I can do to help them find work.
Never mind, I found a contact.
EDIT: Ok, I have put aside 2K $USD to help with expenses and basic needs while the family settles in. I hope to be of some help in navigating the systems here in America. I'll also see what I can do to help them find work.
A good start would be to get them into some work with electrical. After that job have them work in a mining operation so they can get familiar with explosives.
Failing that just get them working in a gun store or gun range.
All winning jobs for new refugees, should greatly reduce their jihadi incubation stages.
Good ideas. Unlike Americans, people in the rest of the world know how to do things besides deliver pizzas to each other. I'll have to look into the trades.
November 19, 2015, 09:28:13 AM
My country accept them cause Europe says so and Europe most possibly because that way we can have some more terrorism. I bet all that is because they want to spy on us bit more, just like USA does to their citizens. I really cant imagine other reason.
How about money? That thing that seems uppermost in the minds of most people? Imagine that. War, weapons sales? It seems kind of likely that weapons manufacturers are interested in the weapons being used. It´s a business. Usually businessmen are interested in repeat sales at least they´re more interested in that than going out of business because the market has dried up. And I think we can safely assume that management and shareholders are very interested in the share prices.
November 19, 2015, 09:18:34 AM
My country accept them cause Europe says so and Europe most possibly because that way we can have some more terrorism. I bet all that is because they want to spy on us bit more, just like USA does to their citizens. I really cant imagine other reason.
November 19, 2015, 08:56:11 AM
I think, instead of asking why europeans countires accept muslims, we should ask our self: When we plan to teach this people that Islam is not the answer?
What I mean by that? People who belong to this religion think that the Islam is the right way of believing in God! Do you think that this is normal thing? If that text is sacred as they says, then why it teach them to look in one direction?
I don't have against muslims, but I can not accept the fact that those people believe so blindly in that texts!
What I mean by that? People who belong to this religion think that the Islam is the right way of believing in God! Do you think that this is normal thing? If that text is sacred as they says, then why it teach them to look in one direction?
I don't have against muslims, but I can not accept the fact that those people believe so blindly in that texts!
I don´t know: if adults are into this imaginary friends in the sky thing, doesn´t it make more sense to try to standardize it? So called christians have literally thousands of sects and cults everyone of which believes that theirs is the only right god and the way to believe. So they don´t even agree on the number of those imaginary friends. Which is understandable since what those heavenly creatures are mostly interested in is money for their deputies in charge of all those cults. It´s competing rackets, that´s all.
November 19, 2015, 08:36:47 AM
I think, instead of asking why europeans countires accept muslims, we should ask our self: When we plan to teach this people that Islam is not the answer?
What I mean by that? People who belong to this religion think that the Islam is the right way of believing in God! Do you think that this is normal thing? If that text is sacred as they says, then why it teach them to look in one direction?
I don't have against muslims, but I can not accept the fact that those people believe so blindly in that texts!
What I mean by that? People who belong to this religion think that the Islam is the right way of believing in God! Do you think that this is normal thing? If that text is sacred as they says, then why it teach them to look in one direction?
I don't have against muslims, but I can not accept the fact that those people believe so blindly in that texts!
November 19, 2015, 06:52:41 AM
Well if I only had one choice I'd rather hang out with a bunch of Arabs than these clowns in Europe's far-right.
Did anybody see them get kicked out of Liverpool on the weekend? by a bunch of socialist/anarchist types and the trade union folks. Lol they are meant to be hardcore football hooligans but they get sent home by a bunch of tea-smoking hippies and trust-fund Marxists.
In the UK we have one anti-Muslim party but they are a local joke, they call themselves UKIP, their leader looks like a frog and he couldn't even win a seat in parliament. Ironically there are probably more Muslims on the electoral register than UKIP supporters.
The truth of the matter is this:
MOST Europeans welcome refugees from anywhere on Earth.
MOST Europeans judge a foreigner on his or her individual actions and willingness to integrate and contribute to society, not their race/religion or culture.
MOST Europeans hang our heads in shame when we see people like Marine Le Pen, Golden Dawn or PAGIDA using fear and distrust to propel their political careers.
Did anybody see them get kicked out of Liverpool on the weekend? by a bunch of socialist/anarchist types and the trade union folks. Lol they are meant to be hardcore football hooligans but they get sent home by a bunch of tea-smoking hippies and trust-fund Marxists.
In the UK we have one anti-Muslim party but they are a local joke, they call themselves UKIP, their leader looks like a frog and he couldn't even win a seat in parliament. Ironically there are probably more Muslims on the electoral register than UKIP supporters.
The truth of the matter is this:
MOST Europeans welcome refugees from anywhere on Earth.
MOST Europeans judge a foreigner on his or her individual actions and willingness to integrate and contribute to society, not their race/religion or culture.
MOST Europeans hang our heads in shame when we see people like Marine Le Pen, Golden Dawn or PAGIDA using fear and distrust to propel their political careers.
November 18, 2015, 10:20:11 PM
Well, I guess there´s an international law against attacking other countries without any truthful justification and on totally false pretenses, at least if the attacker eventually ends up being the losing side.
November 18, 2015, 08:54:34 PM
RE: Chopping off heads. That´s definitely not against international law, otherwise the people we vote into power wouldn´t be crawling over each other selling weapons to the medieval head-chopping fruitcakes in charge of Saudi-Arabia and fawning at their feet. I guess some of those weapons end up with other head-chopping enthusiasts such as ISIS. The Middle-East is BTW France´s most important weapons market and their sales to Saudi-Arabia are ballooning now that Uncle Sam seems to be giving up on those head chop nuts. But of course this doesn´t have to do with anything, effect doesn´t usually follow cause except maybe when it´s convenient for the right purposes.
Why would anyone care about what was "against some bullshit supposed international law," unless it was some kind of international law that actually existed and was well established, like international maritime law recognizing salvage rights and territorial rights?
November 18, 2015, 06:46:04 PM
Chopping off heads - bombing schools.
You say potarto - I say potaeto.
Lets call the whole thing off.
You say potarto - I say potaeto.
Lets call the whole thing off.
November 18, 2015, 06:40:00 PM
RE: Chopping off heads. That´s definitely not against international law, otherwise the people we vote into power wouldn´t be crawling over each other selling weapons to the medieval head-chopping fruitcakes in charge of Saudi-Arabia and fawning at their feet. I guess some of those weapons end up with other head-chopping enthusiasts such as ISIS. The Middle-East is BTW France´s most important weapons market and their sales to Saudi-Arabia are ballooning now that Uncle Sam seems to be giving up on those head chop nuts. But of course this doesn´t have to do with anything, effect doesn´t usually follow cause except maybe when it´s convenient for the right purposes.
November 18, 2015, 06:32:41 PM
If Israel is destroyed, I will devote the rest of my life to the extermination of the human species. Any species that goes down this road again less than 100 years after the holocaust needs to be fucking wiped out.
Its funny you should express this point of view - I have read your sig only 1 week after having talked to a "lady" local to me that expressed a very similar viewpoint to yours. Same legitimation also - the holocaust. She even asserted that Israel needn't conform to International Law - because, well, the Holocaust.
How are you any different from the desperate souls that have just blown themselves up - and taken 129 innocents with them - in Paris ?
Some people are calling for any ISIS sympathisers to be banned on these forums. I don't believe they should - and neither do I believe you should be banned - but what, in your opinion, differentiates you from them ?
First of all, I'm not killing anyone or even threatening to kill anyone. It's easy enough to exterminate the human species by simply attacking the ability to reproduce.
The followers of Mohammed are attempting to bring the world under the Muslim rule. I'm of the opinion that human extinction is a preferable alternative. You're free to believe otherwise, of course. And if Allah is so Ackbar, then I'm sure he can stop me from creating nanobots that attack the human reproductive system.
November 18, 2015, 06:05:00 PM
If Israel is destroyed, I will devote the rest of my life to the extermination of the human species. Any species that goes down this road again less than 100 years after the holocaust needs to be fucking wiped out.
Its funny you should express this point of view - I have read your sig only 1 week after having talked to a "lady" local to me that expressed a very similar viewpoint to yours. Same legitimation also - the holocaust. She even asserted that Israel needn't conform to International Law - because, well, the Holocaust.
How are you any different from the desperate souls that have just blown themselves up - and taken 129 innocents with them - in Paris ?
Some people are calling for any ISIS sympathisers to be banned on these forums. I don't believe they should - and neither do I believe you should be banned - but what, in your opinion, differentiates you from them ?
First of all, I'm not killing anyone or even threatening to kill anyone.
Sure you are. The only question is whether you are a blow-hard jackoff which I find likely in this instance.
It's easy enough to exterminate the human species by simply attacking the ability to reproduce.
The followers of Mohammed are attempting to bring the world under the Muslim rule. I'm of the opinion that human extinction is a preferable alternative. You're free to believe otherwise, of course. And if Allah is so Ackbar, then I'm sure he can stop me from creating nanobots that attack the human reproductive system.
In any case, the nature of my promise is to let people know that Israel's destruction is their destruction. It's much easier for people to dismiss the widespread advocacy of the extermination of the Jewish state if they think it doesn't affect them.
Regarding "International Law" -- there is no such thing. And by any reasonable standard, Israel is more civilized to her enemies than her enemies are to -- well, anyone. Israels enemies are barbarians that chop off heads and throw people off buildings. I'm not sure if any of that's against "International Law" though.
The followers of Mohammed are attempting to bring the world under the Muslim rule. I'm of the opinion that human extinction is a preferable alternative. You're free to believe otherwise, of course. And if Allah is so Ackbar, then I'm sure he can stop me from creating nanobots that attack the human reproductive system.
In any case, the nature of my promise is to let people know that Israel's destruction is their destruction. It's much easier for people to dismiss the widespread advocacy of the extermination of the Jewish state if they think it doesn't affect them.
Regarding "International Law" -- there is no such thing. And by any reasonable standard, Israel is more civilized to her enemies than her enemies are to -- well, anyone. Israels enemies are barbarians that chop off heads and throw people off buildings. I'm not sure if any of that's against "International Law" though.
I've heard such a threat here and there myself over the last few years. As in this case (if the quotes are correct) it is probably a parroting of something that some wanker heard somewhere. It's hard to think of a better way to legitimize various warnings from the anti-semitic crowd...for what it's worth.
Beyond that, it's a potential risk that is not completely outside the realm of possibility from a technical perspective. I've long felt that such a thing is more likely than, say, global thermo-nuclear war as devastating high mortality events go, though not necessarily as a retaliatory action of 'the joos.'
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