Topic: Transgender (Read 9820 times)

I really don't care.  Recently had a conversation with a friend who's teen aged son had taken up heroin.  This little conversation had to do with "tough love."  Sometimes people need to feel shitty.  You are not here to create and maintain a warm and happy basket of feelings.  If you want to discuss problematic issues, be prepared to face the problems.

"Men that think they are women" in India/Pakistan (can't recall the term in that culture), as I recall, have about a 25% HIV rate.

Fair enough.  Short of actual harassment (which we already have laws for) there's no reason for the government to get involved in it.  I think we can all agree on that part.  I'm just saying your idea of 'helping' people really isn't helping anybody, just making people feel shitty.  

If you look at what I actually said...


And as for your comment bolded above, there's been a lot of good done in the world because one person told another he was headed down a bad path.  Does not mean they were always right, but suppressing that freedom of speech is not a way to optimize outcomes.  No need to get preachy, by the way.

You'll see that it includes your comments, as well as opposing points of view.  There's absolutely nothing wrong with trying to help people who are confused and troubled.

And once you put that under a government services umbrella, they gonna tell you what to say.

I realize there are legitimately crazy people, but somebody that's trans shouldn't fall under the definition of crazy if that's the one you want to go by.  These people are fully able to lead fulfilling lives, just happen to have some gender issues to be addressed and fixed one way or another.  Can't even make a tongue-in-cheek comment without getting jumped on

I never tried to suppress your freedom of speech, I just pointed out that you're being an asshole by trying to tell people how to live their lives....

Because you're just plain wrong.

No, we are not all a "bit crazy."  Clearly you haven't been around crazy.

Here's a bit of it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWaFqw8XnpA

And as for your comment bolded above, there's been a lot of good done in the world because one person told another he was headed down a bad path.  Does not mean they were always right, but suppressing that freedom of speech is not a way to optimize outcomes.  No need to get preachy, by the way.

You mean, unless they were crazy or confused.

Which is the point I was making, wasn't it?

Well I don't particularly think somebody would want to go through all that trouble for no reason. My stance for this thread has stayed the same at there is some sort of a cause, and trans people should be treated with respect like anybody else.  If nothing else they should feel free to live without worrying about their own safety.  

Please feel free to point out any post where I said something contradicting there being a physical cause.  Pangender one doesn't count, I was just grabbing a definition from the tumblr book of genders

oh, hormones.  But now you are into easily measured physical quantities that collaborate mental feelings and subjective viewports.

You are no longer in the realm of "I believe, therefore IT IS."

That's not a valid analogy at all.  You don't have a 50% chance of being Napoleon before you are born, and its not possible for a brain to develop and make you half Napoleon based on hormones getting screwed up.  

Not sure why saddamphbuh hasn't made a good analogy.

Some people do believe they are Napoleon.  But they are crazy, not right.

Look who's mentally ill and need treatment here. Here's your free mirror:


I hope medicines will work for you.

whoever is born a man is a man, these folks are mentally ill and need treatment, if they told you they were ducks or aliens from outer space trapped in human beings' bodies would you believe them

You could literally go through every post in here with the same mindset and attempt to direct people in a set direction and more towards the field that you feel needs more discussion.  The problem with that is people will get their backs up more than come to the reasoning you would like the public to grasp.
In doing so one comes off more like a forum gestapo than some one that is attempting to show people the light.
Stating that this discussion is coming to a close is not for any one person to decide,maybe a mod.
That said medical is also mental,so it does extend to the medical field,moot point but thought I would touch on it.

So to address the issue you are talking about I agree with you to a extent about other topics not getting the needed attention.
If we can show holes in one subject we can eventually open more doors for people that are still watching the news and taking it as gospel.
The more doors we can open the more we can get this idea out and about.

Really the reason I started this subject to begin with was I was really confused by it.  Was hoping a open dialogue that did not go to far down the rabbit hole could help some of us that feel the same way I do.  This is not my attempt to push some propaganda on the forum,you will find I like going down the rabbit hole but at the same time quite new to thinking outside the box.  Also scared to become a little to much like Alex Jones in doing so and seek a balance.