Topic: Transgender - page 5. (Read 9820 times)

They all drink Coca-cola.  Clearly Coca-cola is responsible for all the LGT suicides.

Re: http://www.thetaskforce.org/static_html/downloads/reports/reports/ntds_full.pdf
Self reported surveys, the pinnacle of scientific method! At least you are learning how to reference things (even if it is still unscientific).

The transgenders are not committing suicide because Christians are ignorant about transgenders. They are committing suicide, most likely, due to teasing from sinful people who do not love God.

1 John 4:20 If someone says, "I love God," and hates his brother, he is a liar; for the one who does not love his brother whom he has seen, cannot love God whom he has not seen.

It is not Christian to hate and bully. So you have a problem with sinners, and yet you continually say it's a problem with Christianity, which is clearly against bullying.



Christianity is not violence and human suffering. Yet you blame Christianity.

It's not the same at all. I'm attacking violence and human suffering, I'm attacking the ignorance at the root of these evils.

If transgender ignorance in a 70% majority transgender nation was causing 40% of Christians to attempt suicide, I'd be attacking a transgender agenda instead of a Christian agenda.

There you go bringing it back to your hate of Christianity. Yet Christians are instructed to treat others as they would be treated.

You're harassing Christians based on their religion, in the same way you wouldn't want these transgenders to be harassed, you are no better than those you claim to hate.

Fun facts about transgender folk in the USA:
-78% reported harassment during K-12 schooling
-35% reported physical assault during K-12 schooling
-12% reported sexual violence during K-12 schooling
-41% of transgender people have attempted suicide


http://www.thetaskforce.org/static_html/downloads/reports/reports/ntds_full.pdf

Christianity has been leveraging politics against science for a long time in the USA, because profit loves ignorance and despises knowledge. Consider the case of Mississippi, our nations most pious Christian state, where one school district was recently fined for opening an assembly with prayer. Mississippi has one simple role in the United States: stopping Texas from coming in fiftieth in measures of quality of life, health care results, education, and other such evidences of civilisation. It is a proud member of Jesusland, one could argue a Christian Mecca in america.

Things Mississippi ranks 1st in
-Teen pregnancy.
-Infant mortality.
-Poverty.
-Obesity.
-Conservatism.
-Weekly church attendance
-Religiosity generally.

Things Mississippi ranks 50th in
-Human Development Index.
-Per capita GDP.
-Life expectancy.
-General health.
-Science and engineering readiness.
-Oh, and also it was the last state to ratify the 13th Amendment (emancipation proclamation) on Febuary 7th, 2013. Yes, Fucking 2013!

“There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.”
― Isaac Asimov

“Ignorance is king. Many would not profit by his abdication. Many enrich themselves by means of his dark monarchy. They are his Court, and in his name they defraud and govern, enrich themselves and perpetuate their power. Even literacy they fear, for the written word is another channel of communication that might cause their enemies to become united. Their weapons are keen-honed, and they use them with skill. They will press the battle upon the world when their interests are threatened, and the violence which follows will last until the structure of society as it now exists is leveled to rubble, and a new society emerges. I am sorry. But that is how I see it.”
― Walter M. Miller Jr., A Canticle for Leibowitz

Colorado transgender woman challenges Aetna's denial of coverage for surgery



A Colorado transgender woman’s insurance company has denied her coverage for gender reassignment surgery she says is medically necessary and should be ensured by state law and policy.

Ashlyn Trider, 33, said Aetna Life Insurance Company’s refusal to pay for gender reassignment surgery prescribed by her doctor violates Colorado law. The Transgender Legal Defense Fund & Education Fund has demanded Aetna reverse its decision.

“This is a medical condition. I was born with it,” Trider said. “It’s medically necessary surgery. My doctor has strongly urged this procedure get done. It’s pretty straightforward.”

The denial of coverage violates Colorado law, said TLDEF attorney Ethan Rice. State law and Division of Insurance 2013 guidelines require companies to cover medically necessary care for transgender policyholders on the same terms as all other policyholders.

“It’s pretty clear guidance,” Rice said. “The crux here is that a lot of insurance companies are still excluding coverage. Governments are taking action to end discrimination, but the transgender community still struggles to get the care (it) needs.”

Colorado is one of 10 states, along with the District of Columbia, barring health insurance discrimination against transgender people, Rice said.

A Colorado Department of Regulatory Agencies’s bulletin B-B.49 states health insurers cannot deny coverage of treatments for transgender policyholders if the same treatments are covered for other policyholders.

Aetna officials say they can’t discuss any health information about members without signed waivers, but the denial letter sent to Trider says her “plan has a specific exclusion for the requested service or treatment.”



http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_28547845/colorado-transgender-woman-challenges-aetnas-denial-coverage-surgery

Let's not ignore that our men are becoming feminized from the foods they eat, and plastics they use: Is society celebrating something they should be furious about? (Feminized Men)

These changes happen to women too, and then affect their children, and those children's children, to the point that the babies are deprived of the biological stuff that might make them identify as male over female.

It's interesting that near the beginning of this thread, Beliaton tried to derail the topic with the same bullshit.

And I suggested that the broader issues of mixed sexuality be considered as a background for gender identity issues with no apparent physical problem.  In fact, it is specifically categorized within the spectrum listed.  Re quoting the source document and partially pasting it -


http://www.isna.org/faq/frequency

Below we provide a summary of statistics drawn from an article by Brown University researcher Anne Fausto-Sterling.2 The basis for that article was an extensive review of the medical literature from 1955 to 1998 aimed at producing numeric estimates for the frequency of sex variations. Note that the frequency of some of these conditions, such as congenital adrenal hyperplasia, differs for different populations. These statistics are approximations.
Not XX and not XY   one in 1,666 births
Klinefelter (XXY)   one in 1,000 births
Androgen insensitivity syndrome   one in 13,000 births
Partial androgen insensitivity syndrome   one in 130,000 births
Classical congenital adrenal hyperplasia   one in 13,000 births
Late onset adrenal hyperplasia   one in 66 individuals
Vaginal agenesis   one in 6,000 births
Ovotestes   one in 83,000 births
Idiopathic (no discernable medical cause)   one in 110,000 births
Iatrogenic (caused by medical treatment, for instance progestin administered to pregnant mother)   no estimate
5 alpha reductase deficiency   no estimate
Mixed gonadal dysgenesis   no estimate
Complete gonadal dysgenesis   one in 150,000 births
Hypospadias (urethral opening in perineum or along penile shaft)   one in 2,000 births
Hypospadias (urethral opening between corona and tip of glans penis)   one in 770 births
Total number of people whose bodies differ from standard male or female   one in 100 births
Total number of people receiving surgery to “normalize” genital appearance   one or two in 1,000 births

1 Dreger, Alice Domurat. 1998. Ambiguous Sex—or Ambivalent Medicine? Ethical Issues in the Treatment of Intersexuality. Hastings Center Report, 28, 3: 24-35.

2 Blackless, Melanie, Anthony Charuvastra, Amanda Derryck, Anne Fausto-Sterling, Karl Lauzanne, and Ellen Lee. 2000. How sexually dimorphic are we? Review and synthesis. American Journal of Human Biology 12:151-166.

Frankly I'd be far more concerned about the problems of a teenager who had both male and female organs trying to learn how to navigate relationships than someone who was mixed up in their head.  But the current discussion of "trans gender" ignores this and focuses on the mixed up as something that needs special attention and special pleading.

Total bullshit.

Whether the SJW like it or or not, issues of acceptance of "trans gender" really are a subset of issues of acceptance of intersexed people.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intersex

...these issues are recognized as human rights abuses, with statements from international[7][8] and national human rights and ethics institutions.[9][10] Intersex organizations have also issued joint statements over several years as part of an International Intersex Forum. In April 2015, Malta became the first country to outlaw non-consensual medical interventions to modify sex anatomy, including that of intersex people.[11][12]

Like all individuals, intersex people have various gender identities. Most identify as either a woman or man, while some may identify as neither exclusively a woman nor exclusively a man. Some intersex individuals may be raised as a woman or man but then identify with another gender identity later in life....

Finally, note that the worst human rights abuses toward "transgender" occur not in the liberal Western world in which the SJW preaches through their Pink Mafia burkas, but in Islam, where segregation of male and female is much more emphasized.    As usual, SJW stay in a safe and tolerant place, to preach their offensive rhetoric.

I find most social justice warriors do in fact deny the biological component of homosexuality/transgender people, because in order for them to justify their "progressive" cult ideology, they have to sell people on the idea that society is 100% responsible and therefore needs to be forcefully reorganized to accommodate their progressive cultist dogmas. I would recommend looking at the history of Feminism and Marxism, and how closely the two ideologies are intertwined a long with many of the same goals, such as destruction of the family unit and abolition of religion. It will provide some amazing insights into the true driving forces behind all these social movements happening today operating under the self proclaimed guise of tolerance and equality.

I don't particularly think that they were denying that there is a biological aspect.  On the contrary, the point seeming to be made is that it is not a choice one way or the other, and people should be able to identify with whatever they feel is right for them.  Trans people should really be happy with these findings as it puts a dent in the 'You're just a freak' mentality some people have.

It is a pretty sad day when politics get in the way of science. 

You bring up a very important point that social justice warriors and progressive cultists like to dance around. There is a biological component to gender identity. Gender identity is not just a social construct, it also has basis in biology and hormonal balance. Of course to bring this point up is to some how deny transgender people the ability to identify as they like and even a form of hate speech! Better not discuss any facts, it might offend some one's ideology.

Well this thread certainly got derailed fast.  Back on topic, the experiment posted above is a massive violation of scientific ethics and plain common sense.  Forcing someone to change their gender identity based on an accident is just.. wow.  Just because you don't have the parts doesn't mean you automatically switch mentally to the other gender.

It does seem to show that gender is hardwired into the brain one way or the other (as it should be).  The findings could also be used as an argument that trans people can't just accept the gender they were assigned, since the general consensus of the medical community says the hormones bursts that decide it are before the child is born

Edit for source with more studies

I am glad you think that the grandfather of your theories forcing a boy to live as a girl from infancy against his will eventually resulting in his suicide is so hilarious. I can't blame you though, after all the title did have the word "penis" in it, and we can't expect people like you who are emotionally at the level of a preschooler to take anything like this seriously.

Dr. Money And The Boy With No Penis https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MUTcwqR4Q4Y

Ignoring you doesn't change the fact that you destroy any actually legitimate debate with your baseless dogmas and evangelizing.  I don't want to silence you, I just want to limit the endless stream of fecal matter that flows from your mouth to the raw sewage holding areas you call your threads so the rest of us can have an adult discussion with things like facts and scientific studies. Still waiting for you to quote any theist statement I have made on this forum, but that isn't necessary because everyone whom disagrees with you is a theist aren't they?

Again: the topic is "Transgender", not "Liathon calls everyone theists and argues endlessly about religion."

Dr. Money And The Boy With No Penis https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MUTcwqR4Q4Y

Given there is a functional ignore button right there beneath my avatar, I wonder why TECSHARE feels the need to call down mods to silence me? Could it be that he is not concerned with what he sees, but rather what you see, dear readers?

"Beware he who would deny you access to information, for he dreams himself your master."

Ahh, there's that not-so-subtle violent undertone you theists are famous for. What, you want to make my soul SUPER pure with the agony of a severed cock? No thanks pal, you fuckers already robbed me of my foreskin when I was a defenseless infant, I'll be keeping the rest.

Ask yourself: why do you always bring it back to pain, suffering, and violence? In times past, this debate would be settled by people like you murdering people like me, usually after a good bit of torture. Now that this avenue is no longer available to you, what tools remain with which you can defend your faith / attack my reason?

Sooner or later you must realize that violence and deception were all religion ever really had. A two-trick pony, and the internet is robbing you of both tricks! Your worldview is doomed! You know it's true.