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Quote from: TECSHARE on August 11, 2015, 05:54:25 AM

Tennessee lesbian couple faked hate crime and destroyed own home with arson for insurance claim, jury rules
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/tenn-lesbian-couple-faked-hate-crime-arson-home-court-article-1.2315755

People will do anything to get money in many ways, even some of them will take the advantage of racism or LGBT issues on this.

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Or a environmentalist can break a pipeline. Wink

Always going to be people screaming foul in any group to gain attention and prop up their side.

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Quote from: TECSHARE on August 11, 2015, 05:54:25 AM

Tennessee lesbian couple faked hate crime and destroyed own home with arson for insurance claim, jury rules
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/tenn-lesbian-couple-faked-hate-crime-arson-home-court-article-1.2315755

This is an absolute shit thing to do, but not really specific to LGBT. A black person could spray-paint the n-word on their house and do the same thing.

At least they got found out and will get what they deserve, karma's a bitch

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Quote from: TECSHARE on August 11, 2015, 05:54:25 AM

Tennessee lesbian couple faked hate crime and destroyed own home with arson for insurance claim, jury rules
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/tenn-lesbian-couple-faked-hate-crime-arson-home-court-article-1.2315755

Enough people do this and it will be like The Boy who Cried Wolf sooner or later.....

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Tennessee lesbian couple faked hate crime and destroyed own home with arson for insurance claim, jury rules
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/tenn-lesbian-couple-faked-hate-crime-arson-home-court-article-1.2315755

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Quote from: rokkyroad on August 06, 2015, 05:59:24 PM

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That's the lynchpin of this whole debate. These activist groups don't speak for the majority of LGBT peoples. Most LGBT people would be more than happy to live in an environment of tolerance, like everyone has a right to. What these groups are demanding is acceptance, and no one has a right to force anyone else to accept their own world view. All of these overreaching policies these activist groups are trying to push effect all of us. Opposition to them is not equivalent to bigotry or hatred no matter how much they wish to cast it in this light.

You hit the nail on the head and so eloquently. Thankyou.

How is "acceptance" and "tolerance" different? They appear the same to me, as a tolerant society is built upon acceptance of all its members.

In short, everyone has a right to tolerance. Tolerance means people allow each other to live their lives in peace even if they do not agree. Acceptance is basically synonymous with agreement or approval. There are two very different things. One individual does not have the right to force another individual to approve of their ideology. Everyone however does have a right to tolerance in this country. Without understanding and allowing both, this very diverse nation would rip itself apart, because the fact is we will never all agree on anything.

I highly agree with your sentiment here, with the caveat that to me, "tolerance" and "acceptance" seem like synonyms to me. But let's take your differentiation of the two; I think it accurately describes everyone. Strip out gender identity and look at any two politically opposed entities and it plays the same. Liberals and conservatives are tolerant of each other, but they're both fighting for "acceptance" of their ideology by the other group (to use your differentiation of it). This is not a transgender-specific issue, but a question of how any one group interacts with any other group.

They are in fact two different words with two different meanings, even if they are closely related, it is still an important differentiation. People have a right to be free from abuse and harassment, but to force another to agree with your ideologies is a fundamentally flawed concept that can only be achieved thru force if at all. Attempting to convince others of your ideology is not equivalent to demanding it as if it is something you are entitled to. Acceptance can only be earned, not forced.

The economy of ideas demands that all ideologies are compared and the most efficient and effective of those ideologies will rise to the top by displacing the flawed ideologies. Anyone who violates this social contract does not deserve a place at the table with the rest of civilized society.

After all, if you truly believe your ideas to be righteous and true, you should have no problem with them being tested in the crucible of civilization. Good ideas have a way of rising to the top by the force of their own momentum and by the increase in efficiency that is created by the solution to the current system's own imperfections.

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Quote from: TECSHARE on August 06, 2015, 09:34:14 PM

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That's the lynchpin of this whole debate. These activist groups don't speak for the majority of LGBT peoples. Most LGBT people would be more than happy to live in an environment of tolerance, like everyone has a right to. What these groups are demanding is acceptance, and no one has a right to force anyone else to accept their own world view. All of these overreaching policies these activist groups are trying to push effect all of us. Opposition to them is not equivalent to bigotry or hatred no matter how much they wish to cast it in this light.

You hit the nail on the head and so eloquently. Thankyou.

How is "acceptance" and "tolerance" different? They appear the same to me, as a tolerant society is built upon acceptance of all its members.

In short, everyone has a right to tolerance. Tolerance means people allow each other to live their lives in peace even if they do not agree. Acceptance is basically synonymous with agreement or approval. There are two very different things. One individual does not have the right to force another individual to approve of their ideology. Everyone however does have a right to tolerance in this country. Without understanding and allowing both, this very diverse nation would rip itself apart, because the fact is we will never all agree on anything.

I highly agree with your sentiment here, with the caveat that to me, "tolerance" and "acceptance" seem like synonyms to me. But let's take your differentiation of the two; I think it accurately describes everyone. Strip out gender identity and look at any two politically opposed entities and it plays the same. Liberals and conservatives are tolerant of each other, but they're both fighting for "acceptance" of their ideology by the other group (to use your differentiation of it). This is not a transgender-specific issue, but a question of how any one group interacts with any other group.

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Apparently, the most (vocal) in the US do not understand this, and it is ripping us apart.

This is why I vociferously point out the Marxist roots of such activities, because it clearly aligns with Marxist ideologies. Marxist groups infiltrate these activist groups and use them much like a parasite uses its host. It has no concern for the life of the host as long as it can preserve itself long enough to reach its own goals then jump ship. Many of these groups have nothing at all to do with their publicly purported causes.

Some of the LGBT activist groups have picked up this methodology from feminist activist groups, which have found this strategy very successful in creating general division and the destruction of the family unit up until this point. This is arguably the smallest divisible unit that makes up the structure of society in the USA. The destruction of religion is also another clear goal of Marxist doctrine. We see many activist groups targeting these two ideas currently, either directly or indirectly. Feminism as we know it today as a movement has its origins within Marxist doctrines, and these doctrines are being deployed via many other activist groups in order to give them an air of legitimacy and distract from their true goals. This country needs more tolerance, but some things just shouldn't be accepted.

I am a woman and have always been offended by feminists, so I can see how some transgenders/homosexuals would be offended by those who go too far. The strings really do seem to be pulled by the very vocal elite, in charge of mainstream media, etc.

Divide and conquer.

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Quote from: TECSHARE on August 06, 2015, 10:19:03 PM

Quote from: MakingMoneyHoney on August 06, 2015, 09:39:48 PM

Apparently, the most (vocal) in the US do not understand this, and it is ripping us apart.

This is why I vociferously point out the Marxist roots of such activities, because it clearly aligns with Marxist ideologies. Marxist groups infiltrate these activist groups and use them much like a parasite uses its host. It has no concern for the life of the host as long as it can preserve itself long enough to reach its own goals then jump ship. Many of these groups have nothing at all to do with their publicly purported causes.

Some of the LGBT activist groups have picked up this methodology from feminist activist groups, which have found this strategy very successful in creating general division and the destruction of the family unit up until this point. This is arguably the smallest divisible unit that makes up the structure of society in the USA. The destruction of religion is also another clear goal of Marxist doctrine. We see many activist groups targeting these two ideas currently, either directly or indirectly. Feminism as we know it today as a movement has its origins within Marxist doctrines, and these doctrines are being deployed via many other activist groups in order to give them an air of legitimacy and distract from their true goals. This country needs more tolerance, but some things just shouldn't be accepted.

I am a woman and have always been offended by feminists, so I can see how some transgenders/homosexuals would be offended by those who go too far. The strings really do seem to be pulled by the very vocal elite, in charge of mainstream media, etc.

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Quote from: MakingMoneyHoney on August 06, 2015, 09:39:48 PM

Apparently, the most (vocal) in the US do not understand this, and it is ripping us apart.

This is why I vociferously point out the Marxist roots of such activities, because it clearly aligns with Marxist ideologies. Marxist groups infiltrate these activist groups and use them much like a parasite uses its host. It has no concern for the life of the host as long as it can preserve itself long enough to reach its own goals then jump ship. Many of these groups have nothing at all to do with their publicly purported causes.

Some of the LGBT activist groups have picked up this methodology from feminist activist groups, which have found this strategy very successful in creating general division and the destruction of the family unit up until this point. This is arguably the smallest divisible unit that makes up the structure of society in the USA. The destruction of religion is also another clear goal of Marxist doctrine. We see many activist groups targeting these two ideas currently, either directly or indirectly. Feminism as we know it today as a movement has its origins within Marxist doctrines, and these doctrines are being deployed via many other activist groups in order to give them an air of legitimacy and distract from their true goals. This country needs more tolerance, but some things just shouldn't be accepted.

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That's the lynchpin of this whole debate. These activist groups don't speak for the majority of LGBT peoples. Most LGBT people would be more than happy to live in an environment of tolerance, like everyone has a right to. What these groups are demanding is acceptance, and no one has a right to force anyone else to accept their own world view. All of these overreaching policies these activist groups are trying to push effect all of us. Opposition to them is not equivalent to bigotry or hatred no matter how much they wish to cast it in this light.

You hit the nail on the head and so eloquently. Thankyou.

How is "acceptance" and "tolerance" different? They appear the same to me, as a tolerant society is built upon acceptance of all its members.

Full Definition of TOLERANCE
1: capacity to endure pain or hardship : endurance, fortitude, stamina

2
a : sympathy or indulgence for beliefs or practices differing from or conflicting with one's own
b : the act of allowing something : toleration

3: the allowable deviation from a standard; especially : the range of variation permitted in maintaining a specified dimension in machining a piece
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/tolerance

Full Definition of ACCEPTANCE
1: an agreeing either expressly or by conduct to the act or offer of another so that a contract is concluded and the parties become legally bound

2: the quality or state of being accepted or acceptable

3: the act of accepting : the fact of being accepted : approval
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/acceptance

In short, everyone has a right to tolerance. Tolerance means people allow each other to live their lives in peace even if they do not agree. Acceptance is basically synonymous with agreement or approval. There are two very different things. One individual does not have the right to force another individual to approve of their ideology. Everyone however does have a right to tolerance in this country. Without understanding and allowing both, this very diverse nation would rip itself apart, because the fact is we will never all agree on anything.

Apparently, the most (vocal) in the US do not understand this, and it is ripping us apart.

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Quote from: jaysabi on August 06, 2015, 08:43:31 PM

Quote from: rokkyroad on August 06, 2015, 05:59:24 PM

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That's the lynchpin of this whole debate. These activist groups don't speak for the majority of LGBT peoples. Most LGBT people would be more than happy to live in an environment of tolerance, like everyone has a right to. What these groups are demanding is acceptance, and no one has a right to force anyone else to accept their own world view. All of these overreaching policies these activist groups are trying to push effect all of us. Opposition to them is not equivalent to bigotry or hatred no matter how much they wish to cast it in this light.

You hit the nail on the head and so eloquently. Thankyou.

How is "acceptance" and "tolerance" different? They appear the same to me, as a tolerant society is built upon acceptance of all its members.

Full Definition of TOLERANCE
1: capacity to endure pain or hardship : endurance, fortitude, stamina

2
a : sympathy or indulgence for beliefs or practices differing from or conflicting with one's own
b : the act of allowing something : toleration

3: the allowable deviation from a standard; especially : the range of variation permitted in maintaining a specified dimension in machining a piece
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/tolerance

Full Definition of ACCEPTANCE
1: an agreeing either expressly or by conduct to the act or offer of another so that a contract is concluded and the parties become legally bound

2: the quality or state of being accepted or acceptable

3: the act of accepting : the fact of being accepted : approval
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/acceptance

In short, everyone has a right to tolerance. Tolerance means people allow each other to live their lives in peace even if they do not agree. Acceptance is basically synonymous with agreement or approval. There are two very different things. One individual does not have the right to force another individual to approve of their ideology. Everyone however does have a right to tolerance in this country. Without understanding and allowing both, this very diverse nation would rip itself apart, because the fact is we will never all agree on anything.

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Quote from: rokkyroad on August 06, 2015, 05:59:24 PM

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That's the lynchpin of this whole debate. These activist groups don't speak for the majority of LGBT peoples. Most LGBT people would be more than happy to live in an environment of tolerance, like everyone has a right to. What these groups are demanding is acceptance, and no one has a right to force anyone else to accept their own world view. All of these overreaching policies these activist groups are trying to push effect all of us. Opposition to them is not equivalent to bigotry or hatred no matter how much they wish to cast it in this light.

You hit the nail on the head and so eloquently. Thankyou.

How is "acceptance" and "tolerance" different? They appear the same to me, as a tolerant society is built upon acceptance of all its members.

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One other big point also is that other protected classes are fairly easy to document. For example, you can tell some one is a minority (usually) just by looking at them, and the difference in the way they look is usually the source of discrimination. If you are discriminating against some one's religion, there are usually some kind of records or at least witnesses to ones observance of whatever faith you choose. If you are discriminated against by age or gender, you can just check their drivers license or birth certificate etc.

How do you prove you are gay? What is to stop individuals from just claiming to be gay in order to bring frivolous criminal and civil charges against various organizations and individuals? Don't get me wrong, I am against prejudice of any kind, but if the laws can not be effectively enforced, isn't that a pretty big problem for everyone?

Current list of protected classes in the US: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protected_class

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Quote from: rokkyroad on August 06, 2015, 05:59:24 PM

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That's the lynchpin of this whole debate. These activist groups don't speak for the majority of LGBT peoples. Most LGBT people would be more than happy to live in an environment of tolerance, like everyone has a right to. What these groups are demanding is acceptance, and no one has a right to force anyone else to accept their own world view. All of these overreaching policies these activist groups are trying to push effect all of us. Opposition to them is not equivalent to bigotry or hatred no matter how much they wish to cast it in this light.

You hit the nail on the head and so eloquently. Thankyou.

Agreed.

It also shows that the ones campaigning for acceptance, are being hypocritical, because they want everyone to accept them, but they don't accept that other religions don't accept transgenders/homosexuals.

It would be great if everyone just tolerated people different then themselves, which can happen, but people keep pushing against each other for acceptance, and are being hypocritical, and I place Christians not tolerating transgenders/homosexuals in that hypocritical state too.

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That's the lynchpin of this whole debate. These activist groups don't speak for the majority of LGBT peoples. Most LGBT people would be more than happy to live in an environment of tolerance, like everyone has a right to. What these groups are demanding is acceptance, and no one has a right to force anyone else to accept their own world view. All of these overreaching policies these activist groups are trying to push effect all of us. Opposition to them is not equivalent to bigotry or hatred no matter how much they wish to cast it in this light.

You hit the nail on the head and so eloquently. Thankyou.

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Quote from: rokkyroad on August 06, 2015, 05:35:14 PM

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They are people too. It is not needed for someone to understand them. They like what they have become and would like to live like that. That is fine with me everybody has a right to do what he or she wants with their life

Exactly.

Where the problem lies is: they want to shove it down everyones' throats. It's not enough to go about doing their own thing. No one cares but they want to stand out and be special I guess.

I lived in a smaller community where two transgender people resided. They went about their business like everyone else. No one bothered them and they fit in fine. No one would ever have known except for the fact they had been born and raised there.

That's the lynchpin of this whole debate. These activist groups don't speak for the majority of LGBT peoples. Most LGBT people would be more than happy to live in an environment of tolerance, like everyone has a right to. What these groups are demanding is acceptance, and no one has a right to force anyone else to accept their own world view. All of these overreaching policies these activist groups are trying to push effect all of us. Opposition to them is not equivalent to bigotry or hatred no matter how much they wish to cast it in this light.

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Quote from: bojan92 on August 06, 2015, 02:13:03 PM

They are people too. It is not needed for someone to understand them. They like what they have become and would like to live like that. That is fine with me everybody has a right to do what he or she wants with their life

Exactly.

Where the problem lies is: they want to shove it down everyones' throats. It's not enough to go about doing their own thing. No one cares but they want to stand out and be special I guess.

I lived in a smaller community where two transgender people resided. They went about their business like everyone else. No one bothered them and they fit in fine. No one would ever have known except for the fact they had been born and raised there.

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They are people too. It is not needed for someone to understand them. They like what they have become and would like to live like that. That is fine with me everybody has a right to do what he or she wants with their life

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