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I believe everyone should be loved, and forgiven, because we are all human. Think about it.

The topic we're discussing has absolutely nothing to do with forgiveness or which species we are. Think about it.

No, the topic I've always been discussing in this thread was your hypocrisy. The words you wrote, that I have quoted twice in this thread show your disdain and hate, instead of love towards your fellow humans in this world.

This quote also shows disdain:

Quote from: Beliathon on July 20, 2015, 02:58:37 PM

While religion only provides insight about one's own anus.

Yet, you would be upset with others for having the same disdain and hate of homosexuals that you have for those religious people. This is truly hypocritical, and not tolerant behavior. But I guess you knew that, since you never said you weren't a hypocrite.

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If you want to belittle the people for hating, belittle the hypocrites not the Christians.

Oh, you're one of the good Christians who supports equal rights and protections under the law for homosexuals, transgender folk, and the polyamorous, than? Not one of the bigoted hateful hypocrites?

This is supposed to be the land of the free. I do, however, not support the ones who want to take away the priest's right to not marry a homosexual couple ( As they can be married elsewhere, this does not harm them.).

Is that even a debate topic, or just the thing you believe because you're afraid of gays marrying? I haven't seen anyone proposing to force priests to marry a homosexual couple. Your bigotry and intolerance is between you and your god, and government can't force your religious leaders to perform a religious ceremony they don't want to. If there are fellow Christians pushing for priests to marry gay couples, that's also a topic to be resolved within your religion and the arbitrary rules your religion has designed.

That was from a previous thread, where a study showed 1 out of 5 Americans believed priests should be forced to perform something they thought was a sin. You quoted something from a conversation between Beliathon and me, and he knew what I was talking about. I never meant it to be anything against this thread as a whole. And I certainly couldn't care less if (and certainly am not afraid of) homosexuals wanting to marry, more power to them for committing to one person to love for life.

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Tolerance and acceptance are two different things. I can tolerate the fact that someone wants to change his gender as it's his decision. You want to chop off your donger, be my guest. Will I accept it as something normal and teach my kid that if he ever feels like chopping off his donger it may mean he's really a woman inside and should get on with it? Hell no! I will never accept this as being normal, natural or whatever.

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Quote from: MakingMoneyHoney on July 20, 2015, 05:45:33 PM

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Quote from: MakingMoneyHoney on July 20, 2015, 05:37:40 PM

If you want to belittle the people for hating, belittle the hypocrites not the Christians.

Oh, you're one of the good Christians who supports equal rights and protections under the law for homosexuals, transgender folk, and the polyamorous, than? Not one of the bigoted hateful hypocrites?

This is supposed to be the land of the free. I do, however, not support the ones who want to take away the priest's right to not marry a homosexual couple ( As they can be married elsewhere, this does not harm them.).

Is that even a debate topic, or just the thing you believe because you're afraid of gays marrying? I haven't seen anyone proposing to force priests to marry a homosexual couple. Your bigotry and intolerance is between you and your god, and government can't force your religious leaders to perform a religious ceremony they don't want to. If there are fellow Christians pushing for priests to marry gay couples, that's also a topic to be resolved within your religion and the arbitrary rules your religion has designed.

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Quote from: MakingMoneyHoney on July 20, 2015, 05:56:23 PM

I believe everyone should be loved, and forgiven, because we are all human. Think about it.

The topic we're discussing has absolutely nothing to do with forgiveness or which species we are. Think about it.

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whoever is born a man is a man,

Nobody's born a man. Men are made, requiring a solid 20-something years of social conditioning/brainwashing to get out of their ugly ball of baby-fat phase, followed by the ugly child phase, then the teenage bitching phase, before finally fitting into society's man stereotype. It's basically a giant fashion statement.

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these folks are mentally ill and need treatment, if they told you they were ducks or aliens from outer space trapped in human beings' bodies would you believe them

How do you know you're not? Have you seriously never considered that you might be a space alien trapped in a human suit?

Nonsense. Here are some facts on birth rates and facts on gender to start with. You are pushing a political not a biological agenda.

http://www.isna.org/faq/frequency

That's where you fail. The physical traits listed in that link are all just that: physical traits, all related to sexual reproduction, nothing to do with gender. You're the one who appears to be flogging a dead horse, i.e.: the outdated political agenda of attaching cultural baggage (male, female, intersex labels and related political classes) to superficial physical characteristics (chromosomes, physical appearance due to hormones and so forth).

Consider this, if instead of measuring genitalia, governments could estimate future populations only by checking the hair colour of newborn babies, then that's exactly what they would put on birth certificates. And we all know that hair colour is complete bullshit in the scheme of things.

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“A man’s got to do what a man’s got to do.”

Whatever that means, what has a man got to do?

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Did not know scientist was a box we could check off when it came to religion.

Is this supposed to be surprising? Because it's not.

One either has a reasoned (scientific) worldview, or a religious (superstitious) worldview.

The world is not black and white,those that think that way are usually autistic. They have trouble seeing the grey and take things quite literally.

I'd like you to list the shades of grey for this reasoning, because I can't find any.

You want a list but I have no idea what concept of the conversation you are understanding. If you can not see people come from all different walks of life and have blends of both these categories,then we really are pissing in the wind trying to prove a point.

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Quote from: Beliathon on July 20, 2015, 05:47:29 PM

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I do think that there are people who want to get rid of all Christians, and you're a great example of that. You claim to be superior, but I feel the hatred of those who follow religion coming from you, and it is detestable, and hypocritical of you to act like you're more tolerant when you clearly are not.

I understand where you're coming from here, but please realize I don't want to "get rid of you". I recognize that modern america is 70% christian and there's nothing I can do about that except wait.

So be it, I'll wait. I ask only that you forgive me if I gloat while america slowly becomes a scientific nation.

I addressed your edit above, but by the time I had, this new post was up. You are clearly ignoring the fact that you are just "the pot calling the kettle black."

You clealry love to insult people whom you think you are better than, and if it was homosexuals or transgenders receiving those insults you've thrown out, you'd have a field day with yourself. Why? Because you are a hypocrite.

You are perfectly fine with insulting those you find different than yourself, but get all high and mighty if people say the same thing about homosexuals, etc.

Quote from: Beliathon on July 20, 2015, 05:38:53 PM

I call it "Christianity Lite", and those weak-spined quasi-pious semi-theists are much more endearing than are the bigots. They're still intellectual cowards, of course.

I believe everyone should be loved, and forgiven, because we are all human. Think about it.

Quote from: Beliathon on July 20, 2015, 05:47:29 PM

Christianity took my foreskin without my consent, so you kind of owe me.

You'll have to deal with your parents on that issue, I had nothing to do with it.

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Quote from: MakingMoneyHoney on July 20, 2015, 05:45:33 PM

I do think that there are people who want to get rid of all Christians, and you're a great example of that. You claim to be superior, but I feel the hatred of those who follow religion coming from you, and it is detestable, and hypocritical of you to act like you're more tolerant when you clearly are not.

I understand where you're coming from here, but please realize I don't want to "get rid of you". I loathe violence, you see.

I also recognize that modern america is 70% christian and there's nothing I can do about that except wait. I'm relatively young and patient, so be it, I'll wait.

I ask only that you forgive me if I gloat a bit while america slowly becomes a scientific nation. Christianity took my foreskin without my consent, so you kind of owe me.

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Quote from: Sourgummies on July 20, 2015, 05:41:10 PM

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Did not know scientist was a box we could check off when it came to religion.

Is this supposed to be surprising? Because it's not.

One either has a reasoned (scientific) worldview, or a religious (superstitious) worldview.

The world is not black and white,those that think that way are usually autistic. They have trouble seeing the grey and take things quite literally.

I'd like you to list the shades of grey for this reasoning, because I can't find any.

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Quote from: Beliathon on July 20, 2015, 05:38:53 PM

Quote from: MakingMoneyHoney on July 20, 2015, 05:37:40 PM

If you want to belittle the people for hating, belittle the hypocrites not the Christians.

Oh, you're one of the good Christians who supports equal rights and protections under the law for homosexuals, transgender folk, and the polyamorous, than? Not one of the bigoted hateful hypocrites?

Yes, I couldn't care less that they have equal rights. This is supposed to be the land of the free. I do, however, not support the ones who want to take away the priest's right to not marry a homosexual couple ( As they can be married elsewhere, this does not harm them.). I do not support the ones who want to push their beliefs on us, just as I don't believe Christians should push their beliefs on others. I don't mind discourse, but pushing it and making it against the law to go against someone's beliefs is wrong. Religious freedom was great. We do not seem to have it anymore.

I do think that there are people who want to get rid of all Christians, and you're a great example of that. You claim to be superior, but I feel the hatred of those who follow religion coming from you, and it is detestable, and hypocritical of you to act like you're more tolerant when you clearly are not.

Edit: I see you edited your post, thanks for clearly showing what I wrote was true:

Quote from: Beliathon on July 20, 2015, 05:38:53 PM

I call it "Christianity Lite", and those weak-spined quasi-pious semi-theists are much more endearing than are the bigots. They're still intellectual cowards, of course.

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Quote from: Sourgummies on July 20, 2015, 05:41:10 PM

The world is not black and white,those that think that way are usually autistic. They have trouble seeing the grey and take things quite literally.

Being reasonable means one forms judgments and arrives at conclusions by a sound process of logic.

A worldview cannot truly be considered reasoned if it includes any superstitious thought, because superstition is fallacious logic.

If one indulges in fallacious or fantastic logic, one cannot claim to be an earnest student of science.

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Did not know scientist was a box we could check off when it came to religion.

Is this supposed to be surprising? Because it's not.

One either has a reasoned (scientific) worldview, or a religious (superstitious) worldview.

The world is not black and white,those that think that way are usually autistic. They have trouble seeing the grey and take things quite literally.

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Quote from: MakingMoneyHoney on July 20, 2015, 05:37:40 PM

If you want to belittle the people for hating, belittle the hypocrites not the Christians.

Oh, you're one of the good Christians who supports equal rights and protections under the law for homosexuals, transgender folk, and the polyamorous, than? Not one of the bigoted hateful hypocrites?

I call it "Christianity Lite", and those weak-spined quasi-pious semi-theists are much more endearing than are the bigots. They're still intellectual cowards, of course.

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Christian hatred

Christian hatred is an oxymoron. Wink

Exactly. Christianity is not about hate.

If you want to belittle the people for hating, belittle the hypocrites not the Christians.

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Quote from: Sourgummies on July 20, 2015, 05:35:00 PM

Did not know scientist was a box we could check off when it came to religion.

Is this supposed to be surprising? Because it's not.

One either has a reasoned (scientific) worldview, or a religious (superstitious) worldview.

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Did not know scientist was a box we could check off when it came to religion.

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Christians, if you believe your Christ would have anything other than infinite compassion for homosexuals, transfolk, or atheists, than you have grossly misunderstood the teachings of your messiah.

Would argue that statement is also based on perception.

Well, the question might be what would Christ have thought if he had encountered the opinionated, arrogant Pink Mafia of today.

Got a feeling "infinite compassion" would not have applied...more like his little encounter with the money changers in the temple, that's my opinion.

Then as now, usury was predatory and cruel. Your messiah probably recognized that, if the temple story is true.

There is nothing cruel or predatory about strangers sharing orgasms in ways your invisible sky father doesn't approve. It doesn't affect you. Christian hatred of homosexuality does affect gay american teens though, to the point that they're three times as likely to commit suicide as straight teens.

Being an atheist, I have no interest in your mission of hate.

You keep being an atheist, I prefer to stick to just being a scientist, spreading the message of reason.

While it's true that reason doesn't tolerate superstition, that doesn't make it hateful, it only makes it reasonable. Reason and superstition are like oil and water, they can never mix, can never occupy the same space.

Ignorance creates fear, fear creates hatred, hatred creates violence. Superstition fuels ignorance and impedes knowledge, reason fuels knowledge and impedes ignorance.

Imagine the world as a cup which started "empty", with only air. Slowly, the cup is being filled with the "water" of reason. The more reason we add, the less room there is for violence. Once the cup is full...

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Christians, if you believe your Christ would have anything other than infinite compassion for homosexuals, transfolk, or atheists, than you have grossly misunderstood the teachings of your messiah.

Would argue that statement is also based on perception.

Well, the question might be what would Christ have thought if he had encountered the opinionated, arrogant Pink Mafia of today.

Got a feeling "infinite compassion" would not have applied...more like his little encounter with the money changers in the temple, that's my opinion.

Then as now, usury was predatory and cruel. Your messiah probably recognized that, if the temple story is true.

There is nothing cruel or predatory about strangers sharing orgasms in ways your invisible sky father doesn't approve. It doesn't affect you. Christian hatred of homosexuality does affect gay american teens though, to the point that they're three times as likely to commit suicide as straight teens.

Being an atheist, I have no interest in your mission of hate.

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Christian hatred

Christian hatred is an oxymoron. Wink

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