[ POLL ] The Unification Fight: FURY vs USYK 17th FEBRUARY 2024

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Quote from: pawel7777 on January 02, 2025, 06:18:32 PM

On a second thought, announcing retirement and then making a big comeback (with some touching, motivating story) might be a better marketing play and a chance of getting a better opponent than just sitting there and waiting for what's going to happen.
Fury hinted at retirement a few times before, even when he was still pretty young. I honestly often can't tell if all the past drama caused by Fury (and his team) was just a result of him being a bit unhinged and unpredictable or if it was just a crafted attempt of mind games and PR stunts.

Those mind games that he plays have become part of the headline attraction when his fights are sold. We have all learned and understood over a period of time watching him over and over, Fury does use PR stunts. You could be right maybe his so-called retiring or not is part of the plan to keep his name in the media and his attempt at having another highly publicised and financially lucrative fight.

Quote from: Dave1 on January 03, 2025, 02:36:49 AM

Or it will probably fuel the fire in him to announced his retirement and then make a huge comeback against AJ or anyone for that matter. He had done it before and that's why I'm thinking that maybe he want to go to that same experience to reclaim his old glory.

But for now, yeah, why not take a rest and enjoy his time with his family. He already made a lot of money and I think he already built a generational wealth for his family. However, there could be that one itch that he needs to scratch before he retire for good and that is to fight Anthony Joshua.

There is no doubt about it, Fury was desperate to win the fight but he was not fighting in the way he fought Wilder, he used the jab well throughout the bout and used his body to hold and lean on Usyk as much as he could but he was still too reserved when it came to unleashing powerful hard right hands. He will be disappointed with himself.

As far as a possible fight is concerned, if Fury did fight Joshua the winner will not get an automatic title fight therefore it will be a battle between two egos with a lot of money on the line and the winner receiving a lot of media attention. Keeping in mind how old they are and the number of years they claim they wanted the fight to happen but it failed to materialise, Fury vs Joshua no longer excites many boxing fans.

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Quote from: pawel7777 on January 02, 2025, 06:18:32 PM

Quote from: JollyGood on January 02, 2025, 05:59:31 PM

I am not surprised at statements coming from Fury and/or his camp that contain no indication of his possible retirement. Right now the loss is painful and very raw, he will need time to sit with his family and training team before making a decision about the way forward.

On a second thought, announcing retirement and then making a big comeback (with some touching, motivating story) might be a better marketing play and a chance of getting a better opponent than just sitting there and waiting for what's going to happen.
Fury hinted at retirement a few times before, even when he was still pretty young. I honestly often can't tell if all the past drama caused by Fury (and his team) was just a result of him being a bit unhinged and unpredictable or if it was just a crafted attempt of mind games and PR stunts.

Or it will probably fuel the fire in him to announced his retirement and then make a huge comeback against AJ or anyone for that matter. He had done it before and that's why I'm thinking that maybe he want to go to that same experience to reclaim his old glory.

But for now, yeah, why not take a rest and enjoy his time with his family. He already made a lot of money and I think he already built a generational wealth for his family. However, there could be that one itch that he needs to scratch before he retire for good and that is to fight Anthony Joshua.

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Quote from: JollyGood on January 02, 2025, 05:59:31 PM

I am not surprised at statements coming from Fury and/or his camp that contain no indication of his possible retirement. Right now the loss is painful and very raw, he will need time to sit with his family and training team before making a decision about the way forward.

On a second thought, announcing retirement and then making a big comeback (with some touching, motivating story) might be a better marketing play and a chance of getting a better opponent than just sitting there and waiting for what's going to happen.
Fury hinted at retirement a few times before, even when he was still pretty young. I honestly often can't tell if all the past drama caused by Fury (and his team) was just a result of him being a bit unhinged and unpredictable or if it was just a crafted attempt of mind games and PR stunts.

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I am not surprised at statements coming from Fury and/or his camp that contain no indication of his possible retirement. Right now the loss is painful and very raw, he will need time to sit with his family and training team before making a decision about the way forward.

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Quote from: pawel7777 on January 02, 2025, 05:29:19 PM

The Mirror launched an article yesterday speculating on whether Tyson Fury would retire or not:
https://www.themirror.com/sport/boxing/tyson-fury-retirement-oleksandr-usyk-885103

Apparently many in the boxing community are calling for him to call it a day and quit, but I wouldn't be putting too much weight on opinions expressed shortly after any fight, as they're usually emotion-based.

I think the key message is this one:

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"What’s next for me? I’m going home and having some time off," he said after his second loss in Saudi Arabia. When asked if fans will see him fight again, he replied: "You might do, you might not. Who knows? We’ll talk about that next year."

Those comments were fairly ambiguous on the fighter's future following a tough year for Fury. However, The Sun has since reported the boxing icon has told close friends: "It's not over."

At this point, Fury himself might not be sure whether he'll retire or not, but I bet that we'll see him fighting again. He'll have to hang up his gloves eventually in a couple of years so why rush it? And what's the alternative? Just doing nothing, letting himself go, and starting drinking again? Nah, he'll be back.

And with that, this is what Joshua has to say when asked about a potential Fury match,

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Speaking this week in Lagos, Nigeria, where he visited President Bola Tinubu, Joshua said of a potential Fury fight: “We’ll see, let’s get in the ring. Only God knows, but for me, we’ll see in the future.”

https://www.boxingscene.com/anthony-joshua-admits-time-is-of-the-essence-as-he-targets-tyson-fury-in-2025--201073

From the sound of it, Joshua could still be looking to fight Fury in the future, before this two decided to hang and quit boxing for good. And again, it could still be the biggest fight in British history although if they are going to fight, they're no longer in their primes.

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The Mirror launched an article yesterday speculating on whether Tyson Fury would retire or not:
https://www.themirror.com/sport/boxing/tyson-fury-retirement-oleksandr-usyk-885103

Apparently many in the boxing community are calling for him to call it a day and quit, but I wouldn't be putting too much weight on opinions expressed shortly after any fight, as they're usually emotion-based.

I think the key message is this one:

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"What’s next for me? I’m going home and having some time off," he said after his second loss in Saudi Arabia. When asked if fans will see him fight again, he replied: "You might do, you might not. Who knows? We’ll talk about that next year."

Those comments were fairly ambiguous on the fighter's future following a tough year for Fury. However, The Sun has since reported the boxing icon has told close friends: "It's not over."

At this point, Fury himself might not be sure whether he'll retire or not, but I bet that we'll see him fighting again. He'll have to hang up his gloves eventually in a couple of years so why rush it? And what's the alternative? Just doing nothing, letting himself go, and starting drinking again? Nah, he'll be back.

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Quote from: hilariousetc on December 27, 2024, 10:27:11 AM

I don't think it's over for AJ. One or two wins and everything changes. People were calling for Daniel Dubious to quit given he took the knee twice. Now look at him after two wins he fought AJ and now he's on top of the world but all it takes is for one loss and he'll be disregarded again. If he loses to Parker then his hype will immediately fizzle out. Same thing happened to AJ. He was on a roll battering Helenius, Wallin and Ngannou but one bad loss and people want him to retire. If AJ has another couple of good wins he'll be back with the elites. If AJ beats Fury then that puts him right back up there and whilst I think the fight is currently 50/50 I think AJ has more chance of knocking out Fury than vice-versa, especially since AJ nearly flatlined Ngannou within two rounds whereas Fury went the distance with him and was even knocked down.

I reckon that we can agree that Tyson Fury vs. Anthony Joshua will bring the winner to challenge the champion. This will be a shortcut to the championship for both of them instead of going through 2 boxers with no name and winning only small purses.

I speculate that after Dubois vs. Parker, the new storyline in heavyweight boxing will be Fury vs. Joshua and an argument will be created that the winner of Dubois vs. Parker will be a better fight for the winner of Fury vs. Joshua instead of Usyk.

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Quote from: pawel7777 on December 26, 2024, 06:04:21 PM

It might be true for Joshua, but I wouldn't be writing Fury off just yet. He only lost to an undefeated, undisputed champion, and both times by (some say controversial) decision. As painful as it is to his ego, it's not really that much of a setback to his career, provided he still wants to carry on and pursue those belts.

I have my doubts about whether Usyk will actually move back down to the cruiserweight, but if he did (for more than just one quick fight) then the door would be open for Fury to have another shot, as he's a number one contender in The Ring, WBO and WBC and number 2 contender in WBA rankings.

Maybe Usyk wants to retire as undefeated heavyweight and undefeated cruiserweight and for that he does not need to drop down a weight as he already achieved it however with cruiserweight he was undisputed champion whereas to be heavyweight undisputed champion he will have to hold the IBF belt. If Usyk wants it, he could face Dubois or Parker and if he wins then retire or go to cruiserweight with his legacy in an even better place.

Quote from: hilariousetc on December 27, 2024, 10:27:11 AM

I don't think it's over for AJ. One or two wins and everything changes. People were calling for Daniel Dubious to quit given he took the knee twice. Now look at him after two wins he fought AJ and now he's on top of the world but all it takes is for one loss and he'll be disregarded again. If he loses to Parker then his hype will immediately fizzle out. Same thing happened to AJ. He was on a roll battering Helenius, Wallin and Ngannou but one bad loss and people want him to retire. If AJ has another couple of good wins he'll be back with the elites. If AJ beats Fury then that puts him right back up there and whilst I think the fight is currently 50/50 I think AJ has more chance of knocking out Fury than vice-versa, especially since AJ nearly flatlined Ngannou within two rounds whereas Fury went the distance with him and was even knocked down.

I understand what you mean but if Joshua wants to be taken seriously again he must win his next fight, it really is a simple as that. The same applies to Fury and that is why it becomes an intriguing prospect if a Fury vs Joshua bout were ever to take place.

Joshua, Fury and Usyk are getting old. Dubois is 27 and Parker is 32 therefore they still have time on their side to recover from unexpected defeats but the others are in a different boat. Dubois could still be around as a professional heavyweight boxer for 7-10 years, we do not know where he will find himself in the history books.

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Quote from: pawel7777 on December 26, 2024, 06:04:21 PM

Quote from: JollyGood on December 26, 2024, 07:46:18 AM

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Either way, it looks almost impossible for Fury (and Joshua) to get another title fight again before they retire.

It might be true for Joshua, but I wouldn't be writing Fury off just yet. He only lost to an undefeated, undisputed champion, and both times by (some say controversial) decision. As painful as it is to his ego, it's not really that much of a setback to his career, provided he still wants to carry on and pursue those belts.

I have my doubts about whether Usyk will actually move back down to the cruiserweight, but if he did (for more than just one quick fight) then the door would be open for Fury to have another shot, as he's a number one contender in The Ring, WBO and WBC and number 2 contender in WBA rankings.

I don't think it's over for AJ. One or two wins and everything changes. People were calling for Daniel Dubious to quit given he took the knee twice. Now look at him after two wins he fought AJ and now he's on top of the world but all it takes is for one loss and he'll be disregarded again. If he loses to Parker then his hype will immediately fizzle out. Same thing happened to AJ. He was on a roll battering Helenius, Wallin and Ngannou but one bad loss and people want him to retire. If AJ has another couple of good wins he'll be back with the elites. If AJ beats Fury then that puts him right back up there and whilst I think the fight is currently 50/50 I think AJ has more chance of knocking out Fury than vice-versa, especially since AJ nearly flatlined Ngannou within two rounds whereas Fury went the distance with him and was even knocked down.

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Quote from: JollyGood on December 26, 2024, 07:46:18 AM

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Either way, it looks almost impossible for Fury (and Joshua) to get another title fight again before they retire.

It might be true for Joshua, but I wouldn't be writing Fury off just yet. He only lost to an undefeated, undisputed champion, and both times by (some say controversial) decision. As painful as it is to his ego, it's not really that much of a setback to his career, provided he still wants to carry on and pursue those belts.

I have my doubts about whether Usyk will actually move back down to the cruiserweight, but if he did (for more than just one quick fight) then the door would be open for Fury to have another shot, as he's a number one contender in The Ring, WBO and WBC and number 2 contender in WBA rankings.

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If memory serves correct the IBF was going to announce a mandatory fight for Dubois in April 2025 therefore the fight with Parker was one that he did not need to take. The way things stand right now, regardless of who wins (Dubois or Parker) they will be forced by the IBF to fight their number one contender and they will announce it in April 2025.

If any unification fight is to take place between Usyk and the IBF title holder, they will have to make a deal with the whoever the IBF number one contender will be at the time to step aside. We do not know how this will play out specially when Usyk made it clear he wants to drop down to cruiserweight again.

Either way, it looks almost impossible for Fury (and Joshua) to get another title fight again before they retire.

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Quote from: pawel7777 on December 26, 2024, 03:34:50 AM

I wasn't aware that Dubois Vs Parker was already scheduled (for Feb 2025). I assumed Dubois getting in the ring and demanding a rematch with Usyk meant that's the fight they want to happen next. In such case, there would be an opportunity for Fury to fight Parker for the WBO belt, while Usyk would fight Dubois, and the winners of each could face each other for a unification bout.
But if Dubois is to fight Parker, then yeah, there's no shortcut for Fury to fight for any belt soon. He would have to work his way up the old-fashioned way.

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Quote from: JollyGood on December 25, 2024, 07:55:25 AM

If Dubois won there are more deserved boxers out there than Fury. Let us not forget Fury had his chance twice against Usyk and on both occasions was judged by the ringside judges to have lost. The winner of the Dubois vs Parker fight should have a unification fight with Usyk before he drops back down to cruiserweight.

I wasn't aware that Dubois Vs Parker was already scheduled (for Feb 2025). I assumed Dubois getting in the ring and demanding a rematch with Usyk meant that's the fight they want to happen next. In such case, there would be an opportunity for Fury to fight Parker for the WBO belt, while Usyk would fight Dubois, and the winners of each could face each other for a unification bout.
But if Dubois is to fight Parker, then yeah, there's no shortcut for Fury to fight for any belt soon. He would have to work his way up the old-fashioned way.

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Quote from: JollyGood on December 25, 2024, 07:55:25 AM

Quote from: bbc.reporter on December 23, 2024, 08:21:31 PM

The Mike Tyson Fury should retire

Retirement is certainly something Fury has to consider now but I am certain he (and any other boxer in his shoes) would want to go out with a win along with a big pay for his final fight. Retiring after a loss is something that will affect him for many years to come therefore he will have to get in the ring at least one more time. It might have to be with Joshua because I cannot see the winner of the Dubois vs Parker fight giving up on a hope of a unification bout with Usyk.

I very much agree on your suggestion! Anthony Johsua vs. Tyson Fury would certainly be a good fight and this should be in the Wembley Stadium where the British fans will be in their full power. However, for this to have enough money for the purse of both of these boxers, this should be supported by the arab master Turki. Let us wish that he will allow this to be in Wembley Stadium because all of the boxing fights that master Turki has promoted were in Saudi Arabia.

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Quote from: bbc.reporter on December 23, 2024, 08:21:31 PM

The Mike Tyson Fury should retire

Retirement is certainly something Fury has to consider now but I am certain he (and any other boxer in his shoes) would want to go out with a win along with a big pay for his final fight. Retiring after a loss is something that will affect him for many years to come therefore he will have to get in the ring at least one more time. It might have to be with Joshua because I cannot see the winner of the Dubois vs Parker fight giving up on a hope of a unification bout with Usyk.

Quote from: pawel7777 on December 24, 2024, 06:27:59 AM

That's a good question. Fury is still a huge name and has plenty of options, but I'm not sure if he will have enough motivation to get excited about fighting any lower-ranked guys where there's no belt on the line.
Maybe fighting Joshua is not a bad idea after all. Fury could use that win to re-bound and maybe earn a position to fight a winner of Dubois-Usyk (if that fight happens at all). I understand that Usyk might not want to fight Fury for the 3rd time, as he has already proven his superiority, but if Dubois was to win, then Dubois Vs Fury would make perfect sense.

If Dubois won there are more deserved boxers out there than Fury. Let us not forget Fury had his chance twice against Usyk and on both occasions was judged by the ringside judges to have lost. The winner of the Dubois vs Parker fight should have a unification fight with Usyk before he drops back down to cruiserweight.

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Quote from: Yaunfitda on December 24, 2024, 11:21:23 PM

I don't think that he has a lot of options, only option for him is to fight Joshua. Unless he wants to reset his career, which I doubt, and he could be just looking for money grab fight before he retires. And with that, it's only Joshua for him next. Both are coming from a big lost and winner here might still salvage one more fight before he retires. When I checked the rankings, I saw one boxer who is rank on all bodies, Martin Bakole. However, his name doesn't ring a bell, only Dubois or Zhang could be a good option for Fury if he don't want to fight Joshua at this stage. But the risk is high for him and the money might not be as big as he wanted.

You yourself mentioned 3 good options for Fury (Joshua, Dubois and Zhang), so it's not like he's stuck with nowhere to go. Any of those fights would be pretty decent, although, obviously, he wouldn't get paid anywhere near as much as he got for his fights with Usyk.
And there's also Joseph Parker, an interim WBO champion. I don't know much about the recent affairs inside the WBO, e.g. is there any deadline for Usyk to fight the interim champ before getting stripped of the belt? But if Usyk was to vacate the WBO title to fight against Dubois for the IBF belt, then, potentially, it could open the door for Fury to have his shot for the WBO title against Parker. And if he was successful, he could then try yet again to win all the other belts back, either from Usyk or Dubois.

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Quote from: pawel7777 on December 24, 2024, 06:27:59 AM

I haven't (yet) watched the full fight due to lack of time, but from the highlights I've seen Usyk won fair and square. I don't think anyone was screaming about Tyson being robbed outside of his own camp.
I've seen the punches thrown/landed and they're all in favour of Usyk.
If Fury is disappointed with the result, he has himself to blame. After losing the first fight, he should've known that he needed do much more than throw some jabs and hoping that the judges will give it to him. He should've gone for a KO or get dropped trying.

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What next for Fury? He has decisions to make about his professional boxing career. He could hang up his gloves or he could try to settle for a fight with the loser of the Dubois vs Parker fight (or even with Joshua).

That's a good question. Fury is still a huge name and has plenty of options, but I'm not sure if he will have enough motivation to get excited about fighting any lower-ranked guys where there's no belt on the line.
Maybe fighting Joshua is not a bad idea after all. Fury could use that win to re-bound and maybe earn a position to fight a winner of Dubois-Usyk (if that fight happens at all). I understand that Usyk might not want to fight Fury for the 3rd time, as he has already proven his superiority, but if Dubois was to win, then Dubois Vs Fury would make perfect sense.

I don't think that he has a lot of options, only option for him is to fight Joshua. Unless he wants to reset his career, which I doubt, and he could be just looking for money grab fight before he retires. And with that, it's only Joshua for him next. Both are coming from a big lost and winner here might still salvage one more fight before he retires. When I checked the rankings, I saw one boxer who is rank on all bodies, Martin Bakole. However, his name doesn't ring a bell, only Dubois or Zhang could be a good option for Fury if he don't want to fight Joshua at this stage. But the risk is high for him and the money might not be as big as he wanted.

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I haven't (yet) watched the full fight due to lack of time, but from the highlights I've seen Usyk won fair and square. I don't think anyone was screaming about Tyson being robbed outside of his own camp.
I've seen the punches thrown/landed and they're all in favour of Usyk.
If Fury is disappointed with the result, he has himself to blame. After losing the first fight, he should've known that he needed do much more than throw some jabs and hoping that the judges will give it to him. He should've gone for a KO or get dropped trying.

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What next for Fury? He has decisions to make about his professional boxing career. He could hang up his gloves or he could try to settle for a fight with the loser of the Dubois vs Parker fight (or even with Joshua).

That's a good question. Fury is still a huge name and has plenty of options, but I'm not sure if he will have enough motivation to get excited about fighting any lower-ranked guys where there's no belt on the line.
Maybe fighting Joshua is not a bad idea after all. Fury could use that win to re-bound and maybe earn a position to fight a winner of Dubois-Usyk (if that fight happens at all). I understand that Usyk might not want to fight Fury for the 3rd time, as he has already proven his superiority, but if Dubois was to win, then Dubois Vs Fury would make perfect sense.

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Quote from: TopTort777 on December 24, 2024, 03:19:28 AM

How many times did Usyk needs to win Fury to put an end in their rivalry and everyone would understand that Usyk is better? Grin

With every fight Usyk is getting better, Fury shows the same. After trilogy there still be those who will say that fourth fight is needed. Imho it is stupid to have a third fight straight after second. Fury first need to do improvements against others, or third fight will be the same as first or second.

The rematch clause from the first fight brought us here. Even though it looked close in our eyes, the judges made their decision and gave Usyk the unanimous victory. I always thought Fury was exceptional, but Usyk, being underrated, has proven his worth by dominating and beating some of the most popular heavyweights in the game.

What a way to end the year for him—2-0!

Honestly, no need for another fight after this; Usyk has solidified his position.

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How many times did Usyk needs to win Fury to put an end in their rivalry and everyone would understand that Usyk is better? Grin

With every fight Usyk is getting better, Fury shows the same. After trilogy there still be those who will say that fourth fight is needed. Imho it is stupid to have a third fight straight after second. Fury first need to do improvements against others, or third fight will be the same as first or second.

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Quote from: Dave1 on December 23, 2024, 05:35:59 AM

I think by now he still thinks he won

His wife was also thinking he won and even applauded at the start of the winner announcement. Anyway Fury has shown quality in the course of all 12 rounds, he is really overstuffed musclehead and thought ^{at the first go-of}that Usyk would not not withstand his pressure, However as I predicted earlier in this thread Usyk fought like Kilkenny cats, thus he achieved well-earned victory.

Yes, Usyk was able to withstand Fury's initial attack and Usyk knows that he is vulnerable early so he just play defense. And once he withstand that pressure, he tend become the offensive fighter that's why Fury's can't sustain his attack.

I think the sentimental favorite is Fury, as we might want to see a trilogy, but we won't go that far as Usyk was the clear winner although another close fight but Fury was obviously outbox and outsmart by Usyk.

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