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Quote from: rendravolt on January 23, 2023, 08:23:00 AM

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Real Madrid this year is not in the best of their shape so Manchester City could have a chance.They just need to play relaxed as they surely have the man power to beat any team in the Champions League.I know that also Manchester City is not in the best of their form too but as I said they have truly world class players like Haaland which can clearly make a difference in this 2 encounters elimination.

It is true that Real Madrid this season has not been very convincing in its performance both in the regular league and in other competitions. Maybe the problem is due to the lack of refreshment in the midfield, we know that Modric and Kross are no longer able to be at the highest level due to the aging factor, in the end this problem causes the flow of the ball to the attack line to become clogged and sometimes deadlock. But I think we will find out how Real Madrid's performance will continue in the match that will start later against Liverpool. For Manchester City, for any team they will fight, it seems that it is not a bad problem for them. Having Halaand and De Bruyne all seem so easy this season.

I don't think we can judge Real Madrid just by its poor performance this season, because last season when Real Madrid won the Champions League was also the reality that Real Madrid was not having a very good performance. Not only that, even when Real Madrid played and then the available odds never put Real Madrid as the favorite team to win.
So, whatever performance Real Madrid is currently experiencing, they will still have the chance to go further and even win the title. But regarding Manchester City, I personally am still not completely sure because even though Manchester City has a very good squad, but they often find it difficult to win.

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Quote from: S A KHAIR on January 22, 2023, 08:50:37 PM

Real Madrid and Liverpool have a decent history of meetings in the past few seasons in the champions league and most of the time, Real Madrid came out as the winner. This season Liverpool are performing their worst under Klopp and even though Real Madrid had a slight slip-up in their last game, their momentum is on a different level when they play in the champions league. So, I think Real Madrid have a slight advantage over Liverpool in their head to head matchup.

Klopp is well aware of what happened to his team. he has made various efforts, be it rotating players, formations, bringing in Gakpo. but have not found the right solution to lift morale and performance in a better direction. plus, some of their players haven't recovered from their injuries yet. it is not an easy job for Klopp to rebuild The Red's performance, with the current situation.

on the other hand, El Real is a tough opponent for The Red especially since the current situation is unfavorable for Jurgen Klopp's troops. even so, Madrid's performance was not so good that they even slipped twice in the domestic league. but, if we refer to the H2H history of their meeting. Madrid has always dominated Liverpool in the six matches that these two teams met.

on paper, Madrid should have won the match even though the first leg was played away. Benzema and his colleagues will take advantage of this momentum to move smoothly into the next round phase. however, maybe Liverpool can surprise us because it's not uncommon for them to play great games against strong teams.

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You are somewhat right. Even if the team's performance is erratic, it is possible to perform well in the Champions League. And the Chelsea team proved it. But in this case the help of luck is very much needed. At the same time, the match strategy of an experienced coach is needed. I would say that if the match strategy is not good, it is very difficult to do well in a platform like Champions League. Good match strategy and good luck can do well in the Champions League. Manchester City and PSG have yet to win the Champions League despite spending huge sums each season.

Everything plays a role, especially in such a tournament as the Champions League, when the playoffs come, where each opponent is a very strong team. If we are talking about the right strategy, yes it is very important, but sometimes it happens that the strategy needs to be changed during the match, and this is already experience, and Potter and Galtier do not have much experience. Will Mudrik be able to play for Chelsea in the Champions League? After all, he has already played this season for Shakhtar in the Champions League.

You are right. A coach's experience plays an important role in the Champions League. Because every Champions League match is very important. And so decisions have to be made very quickly during the match and the match strategy may need to be changed. In this case, Potter and Galtier are not very experienced but they have a strong squad but they will be behind considering the experience of the coach. However, it is difficult to make predictions about Champions League matches. Be ready for any surprise.

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Quote from: swogerino on January 23, 2023, 05:58:12 AM

Real Madrid this year is not in the best of their shape so Manchester City could have a chance.They just need to play relaxed as they surely have the man power to beat any team in the Champions League.I know that also Manchester City is not in the best of their form too but as I said they have truly world class players like Haaland which can clearly make a difference in this 2 encounters elimination.

It is true that Real Madrid this season has not been very convincing in its performance both in the regular league and in other competitions. Maybe the problem is due to the lack of refreshment in the midfield, we know that Modric and Kross are no longer able to be at the highest level due to the aging factor, in the end this problem causes the flow of the ball to the attack line to become clogged and sometimes deadlock. But I think we will find out how Real Madrid's performance will continue in the match that will start later against Liverpool. For Manchester City, for any team they will fight, it seems that it is not a bad problem for them. Having Halaand and De Bruyne all seem so easy this season.

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not really, teams like PSG and Man City struggle in the champions league even with the good players they have, their leagues and the Champions League are two different competitions and we saw some inconsistencies in their performance and one bad match is all it takes for th to be out of it.

The inconsistencies that happened with city and PSG already happened since a few years ago. I know both have sent so much money but yeah those clubs were not so lucky competing in the UCL. PSG and City have been hiring great coaches but these two teams seem very difficult winning UCL trophy especially pep guardiola who has been aiming to get UCL since he was coming to manchester city, city was very consistent in the EPL but it's not in another competition like UCL.
That proves that it doesn't matter how big your team and winning UCL is still a very difficult task to be done.

They have money, they have very quality players, they also have a great coach. But those facts do not guarantee that there will be great success for them in the Champions League. They are still unable to compete with a team that has a sweet history in this Champions League. Even so, they are quite lucky because with the money they have, they can talk more about the Champions League even though they haven't tasted the title yet.

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Quote from: asriloni on January 23, 2023, 01:42:22 AM

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Manchester city is in no way a successful team as far as the champion league is consent. Manchester city as always qualified for the champion league and also partakes in it every year but has never for once been a champion. We have many other clubs like Leipzig, Ajax and many others who have partaken in the champion league for years now but still can't win, not even for once. It is wrong to say that this club is successful in the champion league just because of a mare qualification for the tournament.

CIty has won none in this competition. The performance from city is really weak. Being qualified for the next round didn't mean city will be winning the trophy. City was participating in champion league so many times but yeah chelsea is even better in this competition rather than manchester city. City was just a team that specialized on the domestic league. It can't compete in the UCL. City is still far from good in UCL. A bunch of money didn't make city can win UCL instantly. City was almost making it but Chelsea was far better compared with city.

One of the painful about the results of Manchester city performance in the Champions League is that their performances in the championship league are always great, the champions league is just too hard for them to win.

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Quote from: Iranus on January 23, 2023, 01:17:22 AM

You are somewhat right. Even if the team's performance is erratic, it is possible to perform well in the Champions League. And the Chelsea team proved it. But in this case the help of luck is very much needed. At the same time, the match strategy of an experienced coach is needed. I would say that if the match strategy is not good, it is very difficult to do well in a platform like Champions League. Good match strategy and good luck can do well in the Champions League. Manchester City and PSG have yet to win the Champions League despite spending huge sums each season.

You just said the fact, been invalidated in other leagues doesn't mean one will lag behind in Champions League but even at that, if you don't make it first from other leagues, there will be a problems along the way. To succeed here, you must be equipped enough to be in the top four from other leagues, the Chelsea you said they took the 20/21 Champions League ended the Premier League at top 4, despite Manchester City coming first they loss to Chelsea, but look at the sluggish game they are playing this season.

Look at Liverpool as well. Although they finished second in the Premier League and even won FA Cup, they didn't win the Champions League the previous season, but they came very close. Now, take a look at how Liverpool is performing this year. Do they really seem like a team that will win the Champions League this season? The answer is absolutely NO!

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Quote from: doomloop on January 23, 2023, 03:35:19 AM

Here I have to say one thing with the resources, quality and performance surely Manchester City deserve the title of the Champions League, but sadly they are the unluckiest team in UEFA history which fail to win this title despite having all things to win but just missing luck is enough for them to never won this title as already mentioned Mourinho is the only coach who won this title with three different teams and many others achieve this all is surely great achievements, but sadly they have never been enough lucky to do this for their own sack even right now I have feeling in this season they will be not able to win because they are having some trouble in last few matches, and they need to fix this all before big show started, and they have to perform as par for the win otherwise this could be again same story for them.

Mourinho, a great coach who has won the Champions League for many clubs, is struggling to win even one for Manchester City. Maybe his luck isn't with them to win the Champions League. When it comes to a full squad of talented players capable of winning the Champions League, Manchester City appears to have them all. Should we say that their chances of winning the Champions League do not rest solely with Mourinho? I wish they could win it this year, but given their recent performance, I believe it will be extremely difficult for them to do so.

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Quote from: Rabi3 on January 22, 2023, 06:59:59 PM

not really, teams like PSG and Man City struggle in the champions league even with the good players they have, their leagues and the Champions League are two different competitions and we saw some inconsistencies in their performance and one bad match is all it takes for th to be out of it.

The inconsistencies that happened with city and PSG already happened since a few years ago. I know both have sent so much money but yeah those clubs were not so lucky competing in the UCL. PSG and City have been hiring great coaches but these two teams seem very difficult winning UCL trophy especially pep guardiola who has been aiming to get UCL since he was coming to manchester city, city was very consistent in the EPL but it's not in another competition like UCL.
That proves that it doesn't matter how big your team and winning UCL is still a very difficult task to be done.

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Quote from: rendravolt on January 23, 2023, 05:26:03 AM

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CIty has won none in this competition. The performance from city is really weak. Being qualified for the next round didn't mean city will be winning the trophy. City was participating in champion league so many times but yeah chelsea is even better in this competition rather than manchester city. City was just a team that specialized on the domestic league. It can't compete in the UCL. City is still far from good in UCL. A bunch of money didn't make city can win UCL instantly. City was almost making it but Chelsea was far better compared with city.

Statistically, Manchester City is very bad in the Champions League and it has lasted for many seasons since Pep Guardiola has handled them. Maybe as long as there is Real Madrid, it seems that Manchester City will not be able to go any further to win the champions league trophy. For Chelsea, maybe it's still better because they won this trophy, but with the current performance, even in the regular league, they are in a very bad position, the chance to move into the quarter-finals seems very small.

Real Madrid this year is not in the best of their shape so Manchester City could have a chance.They just need to play relaxed as they surely have the man power to beat any team in the Champions League.I know that also Manchester City is not in the best of their form too but as I said they have truly world class players like Haaland which can clearly make a difference in this 2 encounters elimination.

Chelsea I think will not be able to qualify further because of their recent form which is not good at all,unless they find some pace in these 2-3 games remaining before the Champions League encounter then most likely they will be eliminated.

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Quote from: kotwica666 on January 22, 2023, 06:24:24 PM

But I'm putting Manchester City ahead of PSG Because the defenses of PSG team have something wrong. Defenses, at times fail to help the team hold the lead. Manchester City, on the other hand, have an artistic style to their game.

Regardless of who you will put in front for this season, what is clear is that PSG will also try their best for the Champions League this season because the PSG team still has the enthusiasm to fight for the Champions League in every season. And this time maybe the Champions League will be much more interesting than last season because several teams that are already in the top 16 are not all consistent and that can be seen through matches in their respective domestic leagues.

Quote from: Rabi3 on January 22, 2023, 06:59:59 PM

not really, teams like PSG and Man City struggle in the champions league even with the good players they have, their leagues and the Champions League are two different competitions and we saw some inconsistencies in their performance and one bad match is all it takes for th to be out of it.

PSG and Manchester City are still really serious about the Champions League so both of them will be seen giving everything in the Champions League this season and interestingly they both did not meet earlier so everyone will see how they fight here in the Champions League for the trophy this season.

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Quote from: asriloni on January 23, 2023, 01:42:22 AM

CIty has won none in this competition. The performance from city is really weak. Being qualified for the next round didn't mean city will be winning the trophy. City was participating in champion league so many times but yeah chelsea is even better in this competition rather than manchester city. City was just a team that specialized on the domestic league. It can't compete in the UCL. City is still far from good in UCL. A bunch of money didn't make city can win UCL instantly. City was almost making it but Chelsea was far better compared with city.

Statistically, Manchester City is very bad in the Champions League and it has lasted for many seasons since Pep Guardiola has handled them. Maybe as long as there is Real Madrid, it seems that Manchester City will not be able to go any further to win the champions league trophy. For Chelsea, maybe it's still better because they won this trophy, but with the current performance, even in the regular league, they are in a very bad position, the chance to move into the quarter-finals seems very small.

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You are somewhat right. Even if the team's performance is erratic, it is possible to perform well in the Champions League. And the Chelsea team proved it. But in this case the help of luck is very much needed. At the same time, the match strategy of an experienced coach is needed. I would say that if the match strategy is not good, it is very difficult to do well in a platform like Champions League. Good match strategy and good luck can do well in the Champions League. Manchester City and PSG have yet to win the Champions League despite spending huge sums each season.

Everything plays a role, especially in such a tournament as the Champions League, when the playoffs come, where each opponent is a very strong team. If we are talking about the right strategy, yes it is very important, but sometimes it happens that the strategy needs to be changed during the match, and this is already experience, and Potter and Galtier do not have much experience. Will Mudrik be able to play for Chelsea in the Champions League? After all, he has already played this season for Shakhtar in the Champions League.

Realistically they will be doubted when playing in the Champions League seeing their performance in the domestic league. But if you talk about this is football where there will be many surprises that seem impossible to happen, the same goes for them in the Champions League this season. Their focus is divided, besides in the league they want to improve their position in the standings, also in the Champions League they definitely want to get the best results and not be easily beaten by the opponents they will face. I think we have to first how they play in the Champions League in the round of 16 first leg later.

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Quote from: Iranus on January 23, 2023, 01:17:22 AM

You are somewhat right. Even if the team's performance is erratic, it is possible to perform well in the Champions League. And the Chelsea team proved it. But in this case the help of luck is very much needed. At the same time, the match strategy of an experienced coach is needed. I would say that if the match strategy is not good, it is very difficult to do well in a platform like Champions League. Good match strategy and good luck can do well in the Champions League. Manchester City and PSG have yet to win the Champions League despite spending huge sums each season.

Everything plays a role, especially in such a tournament as the Champions League, when the playoffs come, where each opponent is a very strong team. If we are talking about the right strategy, yes it is very important, but sometimes it happens that the strategy needs to be changed during the match, and this is already experience, and Potter and Galtier do not have much experience. Will Mudrik be able to play for Chelsea in the Champions League? After all, he has already played this season for Shakhtar in the Champions League.

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Manchester city is in no way a successful team as far as the champion league is consent. Manchester city as always qualified for the champion league and also partakes in it every year but has never for once been a champion. We have many other clubs like Leipzig, Ajax and many others who have partaken in the champion league for years now but still can't win, not even for once. It is wrong to say that this club is successful in the champion league just because of a mare qualification for the tournament.

CIty has won none in this competition. The performance from city is really weak. Being qualified for the next round didn't mean city will be winning the trophy. City was participating in champion league so many times but yeah chelsea is even better in this competition rather than manchester city. City was just a team that specialized on the domestic league. It can't compete in the UCL. City is still far from good in UCL. A bunch of money didn't make city can win UCL instantly. City was almost making it but Chelsea was far better compared with city.

Chelsea is better in the Champions League. City really need to braze up and win the Champions League, it could be that they are blowing away all their Champions league opportunities. No one knows because City may not continue to be the best club in England. No one knows if by next few seasons a club like Newcastle maybe be reigning by then.
It is not enough for City to win CL team of the year. They should win the trophy.

In fact, it is interesting that Chelsea has already been European champion twice, while Manchester City and PSG have never been European champions, although in recent years they have invested a lot of money in buying the best players in the football market.
Pep was European champion several times with Barcelona, but he cannot repeat that success with Bayern and Manchester City.
How to explain it?
Obviously, it is not enough to buy a lot of expensive football players, but you need to put together a winning team, which is physically and mentally ready to win the title of European champion.
Do you also think that Pep was too cautious in many key matches of the Champions League and too often adapted to the opponent instead of playing his game?

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Quote from: asriloni on January 23, 2023, 01:42:22 AM

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Manchester city is in no way a successful team as far as the champion league is consent. Manchester city as always qualified for the champion league and also partakes in it every year but has never for once been a champion. We have many other clubs like Leipzig, Ajax and many others who have partaken in the champion league for years now but still can't win, not even for once. It is wrong to say that this club is successful in the champion league just because of a mare qualification for the tournament.

CIty has won none in this competition. The performance from city is really weak. Being qualified for the next round didn't mean city will be winning the trophy. City was participating in champion league so many times but yeah chelsea is even better in this competition rather than manchester city. City was just a team that specialized on the domestic league. It can't compete in the UCL. City is still far from good in UCL. A bunch of money didn't make city can win UCL instantly. City was almost making it but Chelsea was far better compared with city.

Chelsea is better in the Champions League. City really need to braze up and win the Champions League, it could be that they are blowing away all their Champions league opportunities. No one knows because City may not continue to be the best club in England. No one knows if by next few seasons a club like Newcastle maybe be reigning by then.
It is not enough for City to win CL team of the year. They should win the trophy.

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Quote from: SatoPrincess on January 22, 2023, 05:53:47 PM

They are both similar in many ways, they spare no expense to achieve a star studded team. PSG and City are elite clubs with so much influence and financial power in the game. They have the resources to buy any player of their choice which they have been doing in several windows with the aim of having the perfect squad to win the champions league trophy but lets face fact here, it takes more than just having money to sign every player of their choice to win trophies, you also need a good manager to groom this players and build a team worthy of winning it.

Having financial power still not enough bring PSG and Manchester City with consistency performance and seems difficult how to win UEFA Champion League trophy, both team success lead to final but they can't win after beating by not favorite team actually with Manchester City defeated by Chelsea.

I don't know which site wrong from PSG and Manchester City, spent much money and bring many starts player but have sad ending with failure on Champion League although consistency in domestic league. Lets waiting how long PSG and Manchester City achievement in this season actually I little doubt with Bayern Munich opponent on next round, will PSG can qualify to next round and or forget their dreaming become the Champion League winner.

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Quote from: BitcoinAccepted on January 22, 2023, 02:44:40 PM

Manchester City have had some bad luck on a number of occasions, but a few times they have also just performed poorly. Just like the time they were eliminated by Lyon, that should not happen to a club like City. The top in international football has also become much broader and stronger. You have a big competition every year with different teams that all have serious chances to win the CL. 10 years ago it was actually unthinkable that a club outside Bayern Munich, Barcelona or Real Madrid would win the CL. Even when Inter won the CL in 2010, it came as a surprise. Mourinho has already won the CL with 3 different clubs. Also a huge achievement, especially then in the year with Porto.

Here I have to say one thing with the resources, quality and performance surely Manchester City deserve the title of the Champions League, but sadly they are the unluckiest team in UEFA history which fail to win this title despite having all things to win but just missing luck is enough for them to never won this title as already mentioned Mourinho is the only coach who won this title with three different teams and many others achieve this all is surely great achievements, but sadly they have never been enough lucky to do this for their own sack even right now I have feeling in this season they will be not able to win because they are having some trouble in last few matches, and they need to fix this all before big show started, and they have to perform as par for the win otherwise this could be again same story for them.

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Quote from: Docnaster on January 22, 2023, 05:44:26 PM

Manchester city is in no way a successful team as far as the champion league is consent. Manchester city as always qualified for the champion league and also partakes in it every year but has never for once been a champion. We have many other clubs like Leipzig, Ajax and many others who have partaken in the champion league for years now but still can't win, not even for once. It is wrong to say that this club is successful in the champion league just because of a mare qualification for the tournament.

CIty has won none in this competition. The performance from city is really weak. Being qualified for the next round didn't mean city will be winning the trophy. City was participating in champion league so many times but yeah chelsea is even better in this competition rather than manchester city. City was just a team that specialized on the domestic league. It can't compete in the UCL. City is still far from good in UCL. A bunch of money didn't make city can win UCL instantly. City was almost making it but Chelsea was far better compared with city.

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Quote from: makishart on January 22, 2023, 11:35:02 PM

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not really, teams like PSG and Man City struggle in the champions league even with the good players they have, their leagues and the Champions League are two different competitions and we saw some inconsistencies in their performance and one bad match is all it takes for th to be out of it.

I think that the inconsistency of the team doesn't play a role in the champions league. I mean, if you see that what a team needs to win is about how you have to beat the other team in any ways. In this case, I emphasize that if the team must have played well and continue to look for gaps to score goals and win games. It has proven some teams that are consistent in the domestic league have poor results in the champions league like PSG and manchester city. I gave an example of a team like Chelsea which had poor performance but it has managed to win the Champions League 2 times unlike manchester city and PSG

You are somewhat right. Even if the team's performance is erratic, it is possible to perform well in the Champions League. And the Chelsea team proved it. But in this case the help of luck is very much needed. At the same time, the match strategy of an experienced coach is needed. I would say that if the match strategy is not good, it is very difficult to do well in a platform like Champions League. Good match strategy and good luck can do well in the Champions League. Manchester City and PSG have yet to win the Champions League despite spending huge sums each season.

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