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November 18, 2022, 05:54:44 PM
It must be admitted that the quality of Chelsea this season has dropped dramatically. Unless Chelsea's management immediately overhauled its squad and added some new ammunition in the January transfer window.
Even I have to say they have improved since Potter's arrival, but maybe you should ignore the results of his last 5 matches. The fact Potter managed to get Chelsea out of the Champions League group stage should be the reason why Chelsea have improved. Even so, Chelsea has only played 14 matches in the Premier League, it will soon improve even better in the second half of this season.
We have to look at all the matches they have run if we want to judge one coach's performance. I admit that Chelsea managed to improve at the start of Graham Potter's arrival, but it didn't last long because it was only in a short time that they again achieved bad results match to match. It's not good for them because we only see their overall performance. It doesn't matter that he got Chelsea out of the Champions League group stage, when they play bad they have to say bad.
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November 18, 2022, 05:42:34 PM
Chelsea vs Dortmund is the first meeting for these two teams in the Champions League. Their chances of escaping are still equally open. But I slightly favored Dortmund in this fight.
I'm not sure what your reasons are for favoring Dortmund for that game, if Haaland was still there then maybe it would be good. I agree both teams had their chances, but for me Chelsea deserved more.

It must be admitted that the quality of Chelsea this season has dropped dramatically. Unless Chelsea's management immediately overhauled its squad and added some new ammunition in the January transfer window.
Even I have to say they have improved since Potter's arrival, but maybe you should ignore the results of his last 5 matches. The fact Potter managed to get Chelsea out of the Champions League group stage should be the reason why Chelsea have improved. Even so, Chelsea has only played 14 matches in the Premier League, it will soon improve even better in the second half of this season.
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November 18, 2022, 05:31:24 PM
you are right These teams cannot be considered with current performance. But there is no guarantee that the teams will perform well after the World Cup. Juventus team started their season in Serie A badly, but they have managed to correct their mistakes and are now performing well. But Chelsea is in dire straits. They have lost their last three matches. Their performance is very bad. Better not to expect a good performance from such a team right now.
However, their performance is likely to change after the World Cup. Their performance can be better or worse. We don't know that yet. Because players who are not in form after a long break are likely to return to form. There is also a possibility that their fitness will be weak.

Chelsea vs Dortmund is the first meeting for these two teams in the Champions League. Their chances of escaping are still equally open. But I slightly favored Dortmund in this fight.

Since Chelsea's ownership shifted to Todd Boehly, the internal situation at Chelsea has changed rapidly and of course it has had an impact on the team as a whole, then the appointment of Potter as manager of The Blues adds to my doubts about their existence in the Champions League, even though he has done a good job in the group phase . It must be admitted that the quality of Chelsea this season has dropped dramatically. Unless Chelsea's management immediately overhauled its squad and added some new ammunition in the January transfer window.
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November 18, 2022, 04:43:02 PM
Currently, both teams are level in quality and performance and what will be situation after three months we can predict because during this time injuries or any other problem can give them shock which could vital for them as we have last few matches Chelsea is having no win in last five Premier League games and Borussia Dortmund is also now going down in Bundesliga which is concern for them.

Few are feeling Chelsea is stronger, but their form is surely not as they are strong with many top ranked players are available, but sadly they are not able to have better strategy which give them positive results.

Dortmund after selling Haaland also having not good attacker and injuries and illness is also creating problems, so they need to work quickly before it's too late for them in this season.
Chelsea is the type of tournament team that could shock the world, that’s what they have going for them, plus they have spent 200+ million dollars on transfers which means they have built a great roster (supposedly) and they are just not playing as well as their roster shows.

It means after so many times from here until the game starts, if Chelsea could end up showing the real power of that roster, they could actually play very well and they could beat them very easily. But of course, all of this depends on how well they will be until that day, just like you said chemistry issues, fatigue, problems in the team, injuries and many other things could change the result.
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November 18, 2022, 04:17:46 PM
I can't believe that the Chelsea team is stronger than Dortmund. At least their performance doesn't seem like it. Chelsea's last team performance is very poor. Chelsea has lost points in their last 5 Premier League matches. They are not able to play well. The performance of their forward players is very poor. So I see no reason to think that Chelsea will easily win against Dortmund. Dortmund has a strong squad. And they are capable of beating any team. So Dortmund vs Chelsea match will be very competitive and both teams have a chance to win.
The champions league knock out tie will take place after the worldcup; so it is difficult to judge the players and the team using their pre worldcup performances and form; because by the time club football resumes; alot would have changed (including outgoing or incomings of new signing). I think chelsea will edge through dortmund and qualify

you are right These teams cannot be considered with current performance. But there is no guarantee that the teams will perform well after the World Cup. Juventus team started their season in Serie A badly, but they have managed to correct their mistakes and are now performing well. But Chelsea is in dire straits. They have lost their last three matches. Their performance is very bad. Better not to expect a good performance from such a team right now.
However, their performance is likely to change after the World Cup. Their performance can be better or worse. We don't know that yet. Because players who are not in form after a long break are likely to return to form. There is also a possibility that their fitness will be weak.
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November 18, 2022, 02:38:20 PM
Tottenham are favoured to reach the quarter finals. However I'm not very sure about this anyway. Because Tottenham haven't been much consistent in the recent times. Not only in the Champions League but also in the Premier League I mean. They left their job to the final week in the group stage here for example. As for the Premier League they got many losses recently in big matches especially. There are some weaknesses in the team and Conte had better find a solution to that in this long break.

As for Milan they are quite decent in the Serie A but they are not as good as that in the Champions League. Even though Chelsea were having bad times Milan lost to them two times in a row for example. This means that they are still not prepared against big teams. While both teams are unpredictable I can't be sure of any side to reach next round. Milan are a much more experienced team in the Champions League considering their history but Tottenham have a great tactician like Conte at the same time.
Here I agreed with you about Tottenham progress into last eight because they are much better team in Premier League, and they have enough quality to beat team like AC Milan which is surely doing good job in Serie A, but their current squad is surely not good enough to handle things against Tottenham which is doing good job in last few months and still holding good position into both competitions.

AC Milan is surely good team but still they need improvement which is important to have better results in Champions League because currently they are under development, and now we have full three months time for this match which is surely very long and many changes can happen during this time which can bring changes in performance as well.
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November 18, 2022, 02:26:43 PM
Even if Liverpool are not doing well , it can still be a surprise that they end up I'm winning real madrid, just as Real Madrid lose against Rayo. Chelsea  will be I'm performance than Dortmund.  Dortmund is not much consistent 
Don't misinterpret this if you don't know a team like Real Madrid, because if you think Real Madrid are weak just because they lost to Rayo today in La Liga, it's very non-specific because Real Madrid are always better in the Champions League which even the team Real Madrid always give everything in the Champions League even though they have to lose in La Liga. Because Real Madrid still thinks that the Champions League trophy is more valuable than the La Liga trophy.

 I agree with you, Real Madrid made a mistake, and it's normal, not all games can be won, I know that being undefeated hurts, but you have to admit that Rayo played masterfully and there was no way to go into them well to tie and go up, that's normal in football, of course anything can happen here or any result, if we look at it from the point of view that Real Madrid can lose against Liverpool, if it can, but there are some that many people don't see , that the League is one thing, and the UCL is quite another, in general, Real Madrid always does very well in the UCL, and many know it.


I can't believe that the Chelsea team is stronger than Dortmund. At least their performance doesn't seem like it. Chelsea's last team performance is very poor. Chelsea has lost points in their last 5 Premier League matches. They are not able to play well. The performance of their forward players is very poor. So I see no reason to think that Chelsea will easily win against Dortmund. Dortmund has a strong squad. And they are capable of beating any team. So Dortmund vs Chelsea match will be very competitive and both teams have a chance to win.

The champions league knock out tie will take place after the worldcup; so it is difficult to judge the players and the team using their pre worldcup performances and form; because by the time club football resumes; alot would have changed (including outgoing or incomings of new signing). I think chelsea will edge through dortmund and qualify
The world cup must not be a thing to change the result from next stage of champion's league. The main concern must be the champion league will be starting after the closed window of next transfer season. there will be lots of changes in the club just like napoli may lose some of its players caused by they were moving to the another club. In another case that real madrid may get a new striker and this help the club to increase its attack. Chelsea was also doing some transfer in the upcoming transfer season.
There will be lots of changes before the next stage of champion league will be started. This may make the result being unpredictable caused by there will be so many new rotation by various clubs.

Well, to tell the truth, for me Chelsea is much better now, even more than Dortmund itself, the reason is simple, despite the fact that Chelsea has lost more games in the PL it is something separate, that does not mean that they are bad, Chelsea has a lot of potential, obviously things can change a lot for next year, there is speculation and I'm not sure that CR7 can go to Chelsea, who almost has one foot there, but that's all, Dortmund will not stay there, will want to strengthen much more, the competition is getting stronger, the teams know that they can no longer make mistakes more than what is coming from now on because that means that a complete elimination could come, both teams need a respite.

I think that after the World Cup, not only for these teams, but for the majority that can sign, make transfers, they will be much better off, everyone is waiting for the World Cup, and seeing that new stars reappear, for me it is something that can happen quickly and that can change the meaning and direction of many teams.
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November 18, 2022, 01:54:37 PM
Tottenham are favoured to reach the quarter finals. However I'm not very sure about this anyway. Because Tottenham haven't been much consistent in the recent times. Not only in the Champions League but also in the Premier League I mean. They left their job to the final week in the group stage here for example. As for the Premier League they got many losses recently in big matches especially. There are some weaknesses in the team and Conte had better find a solution to that in this long break.

As for Milan they are quite decent in the Serie A but they are not as good as that in the Champions League. Even though Chelsea were having bad times Milan lost to them two times in a row for example. This means that they are still not prepared against big teams. While both teams are unpredictable I can't be sure of any side to reach next round. Milan are a much more experienced team in the Champions League considering their history but Tottenham have a great tactician like Conte at the same time.
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November 18, 2022, 12:49:28 PM
Tottenham Hotspur meeting AC Milan at champions League Knock out stage is going to mean a lot for Antonio Conte and Tottenham, Conte has not done well in this competition even before coming to Tottenham,he has been in juventus who has lot of stars players and are the champions of Italy but yet his team don't go far,same thing at Chelsea and Inter Milan,yea he has the chance to prove a point,I think AC Milan are favourite between this ties but Conte still has the January market to fix some vital problems.
This match will be one that will be difficult to predict. Even though AC Milan is now in better condition than Tottenham, we know that Tottenham is a team from the Premier League, it is not meant to belittle Serie A, but indeed the competition in the Premier League is more competitive than Serie A at the moment. It's hard to predict who will win in this match, in my opinion they will be able to beat each other in the 2 matches they will play.
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November 18, 2022, 11:34:31 AM
Regardless of the leagues they are both playing in, Chelsea is a much better team than Dortmund this season. Chelsea has demonstrated superior ability in the Champions League group stage match by finishing first in the table above what the Dortmund team demonstrated in their own group stage matches. After the World Cup, I believe this is a straightforward pathway for them to reach the quarterfinals.
That is, in your opinion, in order for Borussia to be on an equal footing with Chelsea, they should have been in their group in first place (beating City)?  Grin
I think Chelsea are a little stronger than Borussia, but not much. And when I compare the results of the teams in the group stage, I take into account the strengths of the opponents.
Currently, both teams are level in quality and performance and what will be situation after three months we can predict because during this time injuries or any other problem can give them shock which could vital for them as we have last few matches Chelsea is having no win in last five Premier League games and Borussia Dortmund is also now going down in Bundesliga which is concern for them.

Few are feeling Chelsea is stronger, but their form is surely not as they are strong with many top ranked players are available, but sadly they are not able to have better strategy which give them positive results.

Dortmund after selling Haaland also having not good attacker and injuries and illness is also creating problems, so they need to work quickly before it's too late for them in this season.
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November 18, 2022, 11:22:21 AM
Tottenham Hotspur meeting AC Milan at champions League Knock out stage is going to mean a lot for Antonio Conte and Tottenham, Conte has not done well in this competition even before coming to Tottenham,he has been in juventus who has lot of stars players and are the champions of Italy but yet his team don't go far,same thing at Chelsea and Inter Milan,yea he has the chance to prove a point,I think AC Milan are favourite between this ties but Conte still has the January market to fix some vital problems.
Advantages for Tottenham Hotspur against AC Milan in the last 16 of the champions league, Conte as Tottenham tactician had pretty good head to head against Milan, especially when Conte was still tactician for Juventus and also Inter Milan. During success give many trophies for Juventus and have scudetto with Inter make easy for Conte to know weakness from Milan and actually I think Spurs favorite can lead to next stage than Milan.

However, the round of 16 is still very long and many changes will occur to both teams, especially when Milan and Spurs are active in the January transfer market, there will be a change in the composition of the players from the two teams compared to the current composition of players.
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November 18, 2022, 11:08:30 AM
They can be said to be a dark horse club now, even though Club Brugge is indeed a concern in the group phase because actually they are not very favored, but when I see Benfica's condition which is as good now, I personally feel Benfica will be superior.
But even so they also can't underestimate Club Brugge because they are also full of surprises this season in the Champions League and they might be able to surprise again if Benfica underestimates this club from Belgium.
Benfica will be the favourite, but Brugge is a very dangerous opponent for them - firstly, Benfica may overestimate their advantage over Brugge, because before the draw they were probably afraid to get Manchester City, Bayern, etc. into rivals. and when they got Brugge 100% they were happy. Secondly, Brugge seem strong - in the group stage they conceded goals in just one game, and in the rest they either won with a clean sheet or played 0-0.
Benfica is surely quality club, and they are doing good job through in Champions League and in Portuguese League but on other side we have no consistency from Club Brugge because after having good start they were awful in last three matches and same happening in Jupiler Pro League, so they deserve tag of favorite team even matches could be not easy for both teams but Benfica is going to have good advantage, and they can go through into last eight because they have enough firepower to give them lessons as they have done against most lethal attack in UEFA PSG which was fail to win against them in both matches.

There is no doubt they are surprised side in this season but surely Benfica is also not going to take any chance because they also understand now we are in knockout rounds where no team is having chance of playing poor game.
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November 18, 2022, 10:51:56 AM
Tottenham Hotspur meeting AC Milan at champions League Knock out stage is going to mean a lot for Antonio Conte and Tottenham, Conte has not done well in this competition even before coming to Tottenham,he has been in juventus who has lot of stars players and are the champions of Italy but yet his team don't go far,same thing at Chelsea and Inter Milan,yea he has the chance to prove a point,I think AC Milan are favourite between this ties but Conte still has the January market to fix some vital problems.
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November 18, 2022, 10:50:50 AM
In the EPL Chelsea performance is not very consistent and in the Bundesliga Dortmund are not consistent  too, I think chelsea is trying when it comes to performance in premier league because it is one of the toughest league. Bundesliga where Dortmund belong to is not very competitive like  the EPL and Dortmund is still inconsistent. In the Champions Chelsea as done  better than Dortmund,  Chelsea  have won more games than Dortmund,  even if the point difference is not much. Dortmund is not stable this season. I'm not saying Dortmund can't win Chelsea if they meet. I'm rating the two teams based on performance and victories.
Chelsea under Graham Potter were able to perform well in the Champions League this season. They were able to maintain better performance by managing to win the group. but dortmund performance has been very inconsistent in the champions league this season because they only won 2 wins in the group phase and this became a point of concern for us when these teams met in the round of 16.  I'm more sure that Chelsea can win this match even though Graham Potter still doesn't have enough experience in the Champions League but I think he can bring Chelsea to victory in that match. Dortmund still have big problems on the front lines for this season because Youssoufa Moukoko this season has not recorded a single goal for dortmund in the Champions League.
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November 18, 2022, 10:43:04 AM
They can be said to be a dark horse club now, even though Club Brugge is indeed a concern in the group phase because actually they are not very favored, but when I see Benfica's condition which is as good now, I personally feel Benfica will be superior.
But even so they also can't underestimate Club Brugge because they are also full of surprises this season in the Champions League and they might be able to surprise again if Benfica underestimates this club from Belgium.

Benfica will be the favourite, but Brugge is a very dangerous opponent for them - firstly, Benfica may overestimate their advantage over Brugge, because before the draw they were probably afraid to get Manchester City, Bayern, etc. into rivals. and when they got Brugge 100% they were happy. Secondly, Brugge seem strong - in the group stage they conceded goals in just one game, and in the rest they either won with a clean sheet or played 0-0.
Yes, although they are favorites to win the game, but they must not underestimate Club Brugge. If they do, it's likely that Benfica will quit because they underestimated Club Brugge too much. And also as you said that they are very good at keeping their goal from conceding, but that may not be apart from the poor performances of clubs in the same group as them like Leverkusen and Atletico Madrid. We'll see if they will do the same in the last 16 or vice versa. But I'm here to make Benfica the biggest favourite.
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November 18, 2022, 10:24:45 AM
The Chelsea versus Dortmund match is very difficult to predict, but in my opinion their meeting is very even. The meeting between British and German representatives was their first meeting in history.

The Knockout Phase of the Champions League will still take place in February, both teams still have a long time to improve. But especially for Chelsea, if Potter doesn't revamp his squad, then the Blues' steps will be very difficult.

Considering Chelsea's current performance, I wound never bet that they would win the match against Dortmund. Dortmund have not also had a good season but the would be able to curtail Chelsea and even win the match. But I think the match might be determined by how many key players that would be available to these teams after the world cup. Chelsea might be in a good position to have a full squad since most of its key players are not featuring in the world cup due to injuries. Dortmund's Sebastien Haller cancer surgery would also be a big blow to the team. 15th February is still far, it is possible that new players might be added to these teams that might contribute positively to their success. 
There's a lot of time for chelsea to sign a new players as well. Chelsea has been also trying to list some names for the upcoming transfer season. it seems like we will see both of team will be playing with some new players on it. I can't wait to see the match between chelsea against dortmund. This gonna be a very important thing for sure. Both of team will be performing so well with new formation. That's gonna be a very interesting thing for sure. It seems like that not only chelsea and dortmund but so many teams will be also doing the same thing.
So many clubs will try to take the new players to make their performance even better. I heard that some big clubs have been also aiming for some players to be transferred into their clubs. There will be so many tough games next year.
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November 18, 2022, 09:47:40 AM
ahead of the last 16 of the champions league later, I am optimistic that Chelsea can provide a fierce fight with Dortmund's style of play.
Of course Chelsea can provide fierce resistance to Dortmund, but there is no guarantee that Chelsea can win matches in the two legs of the last 16. Chelsea advanced to the knockout round after winning Group E with a record of four wins, one draw and one defeat. Meanwhile, Dortmund qualified for the knockout round as runners-up in Group G with a record of two wins, three draws and one defeat.

Chelsea certainly has a target of winning from Dortmund, the Dortmund vs Chelsea duel is predicted to be fierce, considering that this is the first meeting of the two teams in the Champions League competition. Dortmund who acted as the host in the first leg, will surprise Chelsea at their first meeting, especially since Chelsea record in the EPL this season is not too impressive.
Apart from that, this match will be emotional for Dortmund, because Chelsea is strengthened by former Dortmund mainstay strikers Aubameyang and Pulisic.
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November 18, 2022, 09:36:45 AM
When it comes to the Dortmund - Chelsea matchup I can say that Chelsea is clearly the favourite side to advance.

Regardless of the leagues they are both playing in, Chelsea is a much better team than Dortmund this season. Chelsea has demonstrated superior ability in the Champions League group stage match by finishing first in the table above what the Dortmund team demonstrated in their own group stage matches. After the World Cup, I believe this is a straightforward pathway for them to reach the quarterfinals.
I don't think it will be an easy game for them recently their performance and results droped drastically and they have been losing in the premiere league, true dortmund also lost but i think this game could go either way its one of the toughest to predict in my opinion.
In fact, with the current performance, it is not worth thinking about the status of the game in February. Because many changes can be observed in many players during this World Cup. Also many players may get injured. In view of which it is difficult to predict the match between Dortmund and Chelsea.
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November 18, 2022, 09:12:48 AM
They can be said to be a dark horse club now, even though Club Brugge is indeed a concern in the group phase because actually they are not very favored, but when I see Benfica's condition which is as good now, I personally feel Benfica will be superior.
But even so they also can't underestimate Club Brugge because they are also full of surprises this season in the Champions League and they might be able to surprise again if Benfica underestimates this club from Belgium.

Benfica will be the favourite, but Brugge is a very dangerous opponent for them - firstly, Benfica may overestimate their advantage over Brugge, because before the draw they were probably afraid to get Manchester City, Bayern, etc. into rivals. and when they got Brugge 100% they were happy. Secondly, Brugge seem strong - in the group stage they conceded goals in just one game, and in the rest they either won with a clean sheet or played 0-0.

But in the end Club Brugge got a defeat which means, Club Brugge is also not completely consistent to maintain their good record in the group stage. But regarding Benfica until the end of the group phase matchday, Benfica did not lose and also, basically PSG was a strong opponent and won in quality but Benfica was able to compensate.
With this difference, of course I personally don't doubt Benfica for this match which seems to promise a definite victory.

I hope I'm not exaggerating, because I'm looking at it from a possible perspective in judgments that I think are the appropriate judgments for what happened. Because indeed, when a team is highly favored it can be an unexpected blunder.
However, I personally am very confident that Benfica will still advance to the quarter-finals, because fortunately for Benfica, they are up against a team whose quality on paper is not much different in the round of 16.
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November 18, 2022, 09:10:35 AM
When it comes to the Dortmund - Chelsea matchup I can say that Chelsea is clearly the favourite side to advance.

Regardless of the leagues they are both playing in, Chelsea is a much better team than Dortmund this season. Chelsea has demonstrated superior ability in the Champions League group stage match by finishing first in the table above what the Dortmund team demonstrated in their own group stage matches. After the World Cup, I believe this is a straightforward pathway for them to reach the quarterfinals.
I don't think it will be an easy game for them recently their performance and results droped drastically and they have been losing in the premiere league, true dortmund also lost but i think this game could go either way its one of the toughest to predict in my opinion.
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