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Quote from: Jody.Drummer on November 18, 2022, 06:15:43 AM

They can be said to be a dark horse club now, even though Club Brugge is indeed a concern in the group phase because actually they are not very favored, but when I see Benfica's condition which is as good now, I personally feel Benfica will be superior.
But even so they also can't underestimate Club Brugge because they are also full of surprises this season in the Champions League and they might be able to surprise again if Benfica underestimates this club from Belgium.

Benfica will be the favourite, but Brugge is a very dangerous opponent for them - firstly, Benfica may overestimate their advantage over Brugge, because before the draw they were probably afraid to get Manchester City, Bayern, etc. into rivals. and when they got Brugge 100% they were happy. Secondly, Brugge seem strong - in the group stage they conceded goals in just one game, and in the rest they either won with a clean sheet or played 0-0.

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When it comes to the Dortmund - Chelsea matchup I can say that Chelsea is clearly the favourite side to advance.

Regardless of the leagues they are both playing in, Chelsea is a much better team than Dortmund this season. Chelsea has demonstrated superior ability in the Champions League group stage match by finishing first in the table above what the Dortmund team demonstrated in their own group stage matches. After the World Cup, I believe this is a straightforward pathway for them to reach the quarterfinals.

I can't believe that the Chelsea team is stronger than Dortmund. At least their performance doesn't seem like it. Chelsea's last team performance is very poor. Chelsea has lost points in their last 5 Premier League matches. They are not able to play well. The performance of their forward players is very poor. So I see no reason to think that Chelsea will easily win against Dortmund. Dortmund has a strong squad. And they are capable of beating any team. So Dortmund vs Chelsea match will be very competitive and both teams have a chance to win.

In the EPL Chelsea performance is not very consistent and in the Bundesliga Dortmund are not consistent too, I think chelsea is trying when it comes to performance in premier league because it is one of the toughest league. Bundesliga where Dortmund belong to is not very competitive like the EPL and Dortmund is still inconsistent. In the Champions Chelsea as done better than Dortmund, Chelsea have won more games than Dortmund, even if the point difference is not much. Dortmund is not stable this season. I'm not saying Dortmund can't win Chelsea if they meet. I'm rating the two teams based on performance and victories.

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Not only in the Champions League, Benfica is also an unbeaten club in the domestic league. They will surprise me in the Champions League this season in my opinion. They have the advantages needed to compete in the Champions League, their goal productivity is excellent, their defense also has a reliable performance to keep their goal from conceding. Their opponent Club Brugge is a very surprising club, they could have qualified from the group stage by eliminating Leverkusen and Atletico Madrid, but they will face a better opponent than them in the last 16, I predict their journey in the Champions League this season will end in Benfica's hand.

The match for Benfica is going to be a walk in the park for them, considering their strength against Club Brugge. This is football however, and we have seen how the champions league so known for its name never fails to thrill fans with teams who are hungry, no matter their size or strength. Club Brugge might just shock Benefica by winning even if its by just a slim chance.

They can be said to be a dark horse club now, even though Club Brugge is indeed a concern in the group phase because actually they are not very favored, but when I see Benfica's condition which is as good now, I personally feel Benfica will be superior.
But even so they also can't underestimate Club Brugge because they are also full of surprises this season in the Champions League and they might be able to surprise again if Benfica underestimates this club from Belgium.

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The Chelsea versus Dortmund match is very difficult to predict, but in my opinion their meeting is very even. The meeting between British and German representatives was their first meeting in history.

The Knockout Phase of the Champions League will still take place in February, both teams still have a long time to improve. But especially for Chelsea, if Potter doesn't revamp his squad, then the Blues' steps will be very difficult.

Considering Chelsea's current performance, I wound never bet that they would win the match against Dortmund. Dortmund have not also had a good season but the would be able to curtail Chelsea and even win the match. But I think the match might be determined by how many key players that would be available to these teams after the world cup. Chelsea might be in a good position to have a full squad since most of its key players are not featuring in the world cup due to injuries. Dortmund's Sebastien Haller cancer surgery would also be a big blow to the team. 15th February is still far, it is possible that new players might be added to these teams that might contribute positively to their success.

15th February is still very far for all the good players to be finally back from injuries, Jorginho would be available for that game also Recce James, and I hope they don't have too many of them key players out injured during the world Cup. They need to follow same tactics used by City to beat Borrussia Dortmund if they should qualify.

I'm rooting for Chelsea, I want to see the English Premier League Team's going far at the Champions League. So bad thing's turned ugly for Sebastian Haller who had brain tumor surgery at the start of the season. Still haven't heard of any due and accurate date for his return. Borrussia Dortmund needs him around.

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Quote from: Docnaster on November 18, 2022, 03:52:13 AM

If Chelsea was to be in the same group with Manchester City, what are the chances that Chelsea will survive from the group?
I don't believe that Chelsea is stronger than Dortmund especially in the Champions League, Chelsea I know is really struggling since the season started right from their former coach Thomas to their present coach Porter things has never been stable for Chelsea. We are just hoping for a better February 2023 for Chelsea to perform excellently well when their injured players return.

We won't know, because it didn't happen. So far, Chelsea has struggled to lift its performance back to its best form. but unfortunately, the problems facing Chelsea are not as simple as we see with every appearance under Graham Potter's coaching tutelage.
Potter has a tough task, after Chelsea was left by Tomas Tuchel. he is required to bring his new team to finish in the top four of the premier league. his debut with Chelsea, brought significant changes after going through 9 matches without defeat in all competitions. but unluckily, several injured players made Chelsea's defense line look very fragile. Potter had to go the extra mile to rotate the available players.

even so, what he did did not get satisfactory results and had to swallow successive defeats in the premier league. fortunately, Potter had some time off because of the world cup. I think Potter can rebuild the strategy and mentality of his players while recovering injured players. plus, likely in the next transfer window, Chelsea will bring in several new players.

ahead of the last 16 of the champions league later, I am optimistic that Chelsea can provide a fierce fight with Dortmund's style of play.

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Quote from: KTChampions on November 18, 2022, 03:41:59 AM

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Regardless of the leagues they are both playing in, Chelsea is a much better team than Dortmund this season. Chelsea has demonstrated superior ability in the Champions League group stage match by finishing first in the table above what the Dortmund team demonstrated in their own group stage matches. After the World Cup, I believe this is a straightforward pathway for them to reach the quarterfinals.

That is, in your opinion, in order for Borussia to be on an equal footing with Chelsea, they should have been in their group in first place (beating City)? Grin

I think Chelsea are a little stronger than Borussia, but not much. And when I compare the results of the teams in the group stage, I take into account the strengths of the opponents.

If Chelsea was to be in the same group with Manchester City, what are the chances that Chelsea will survive from the group?
I don't believe that Chelsea is stronger than Dortmund especially in the Champions League, Chelsea I know is really struggling since the season started right from their former coach Thomas to their present coach Porter things has never been stable for Chelsea. We are just hoping for a better February 2023 for Chelsea to perform excellently well when their injured players return.

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Quote from: Asiska02 on November 17, 2022, 02:36:39 PM

Regardless of the leagues they are both playing in, Chelsea is a much better team than Dortmund this season. Chelsea has demonstrated superior ability in the Champions League group stage match by finishing first in the table above what the Dortmund team demonstrated in their own group stage matches. After the World Cup, I believe this is a straightforward pathway for them to reach the quarterfinals.

That is, in your opinion, in order for Borussia to be on an equal footing with Chelsea, they should have been in their group in first place (beating City)? Grin

I think Chelsea are a little stronger than Borussia, but not much. And when I compare the results of the teams in the group stage, I take into account the strengths of the opponents.

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Quote from: EarnOnVictor on November 18, 2022, 02:33:24 AM

Yes, luck plays out in football, but luck is not the only thing here. If luck is to be weighed here, Chelsea is not doing well like before, they are lucky to have reached the round of 16, nothing can exonerate them from a good performance over Dortmund irrespective of how high its odds are. Your analysis about the next stage is well executed, I am waiting for the miracle they want to perform.

That's obvious, but I personally never thought these two would have magic in a match other than sticking their neck out in the game when the bout kicks off. In terms of opportunities, both of them have a good chance if one of them can perform better in his game. These are two big teams from different leagues and both have their strengths and weaknesses this season. So I don't think there's going to be any magic in either of those other than the good performances they can put on the pitch.

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Regardless of the leagues they are both playing in, Chelsea is a much better team than Dortmund this season. Chelsea has demonstrated superior ability in the Champions League group stage match by finishing first in the table above what the Dortmund team demonstrated in their own group stage matches.

If the group stage becomes the benchmark
Chelsea's toughest opponent in group E is Milan, of course Chelsea's challenge to finish in first place is not as difficult as Dortmund who faced Manchester City in group G, one of the best teams this season. Even so, Dortmund recorded success in hold Manchester City to a draw some time ago
In my opinion it is less effective to compare the two teams based on the standings in the group, because each has an opponent with different qualities

Don't forget luck was also playing in some cases. I meant chelsea is still over dortmund in the comparison based on the history in the champion league but this time chelsea's performance has been decreasing a lot. People are taking dortmund as a team that will be winning in the next stage. Chelsea may give a good performance after it will be bought some new players. The fact that if would be good for chelsea to sign some new players as preparation against dortmund.
It's very bad to see how bad the performance that already shown by chelsea during its matches on EPL. it can perform better than what it has done before

Yes, luck plays out in football, but luck is not the only thing here. If luck is to be weighed here, Chelsea is not doing well like before, they are lucky to have reached the round of 16, nothing can exonerate them from a good performance over Dortmund irrespective of how high its odds are. Your analysis about the next stage is well executed, I am waiting for the miracle they want to perform.

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The Chelsea versus Dortmund match is very difficult to predict, but in my opinion their meeting is very even. The meeting between British and German representatives was their first meeting in history.

The Knockout Phase of the Champions League will still take place in February, both teams still have a long time to improve. But especially for Chelsea, if Potter doesn't revamp his squad, then the Blues' steps will be very difficult.

Considering Chelsea's current performance, I wound never bet that they would win the match against Dortmund. Dortmund have not also had a good season but the would be able to curtail Chelsea and even win the match. But I think the match might be determined by how many key players that would be available to these teams after the world cup. Chelsea might be in a good position to have a full squad since most of its key players are not featuring in the world cup due to injuries. Dortmund's Sebastien Haller cancer surgery would also be a big blow to the team. 15th February is still far, it is possible that new players might be added to these teams that might contribute positively to their success.

There is something about the two clubs both Chelsea and Dortmund have something in common and that is they do poor in their local League and they try to do better in the Champions League, these two clubs put different efforts while playing in their respective local leagues are in the Champions League.
This means both of them almost has equal chances of progressing to the next stage of the Champions League but before this break Dortmund seem to be better than Chelsea. I don't know what will happen after the break but I believe Chelsea will be more better by then

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Regardless of the leagues they are both playing in, Chelsea is a much better team than Dortmund this season. Chelsea has demonstrated superior ability in the Champions League group stage match by finishing first in the table above what the Dortmund team demonstrated in their own group stage matches.

If the group stage becomes the benchmark
Chelsea's toughest opponent in group E is Milan, of course Chelsea's challenge to finish in first place is not as difficult as Dortmund who faced Manchester City in group G, one of the best teams this season. Even so, Dortmund recorded success in hold Manchester City to a draw some time ago
In my opinion it is less effective to compare the two teams based on the standings in the group, because each has an opponent with different qualities

Don't forget luck was also playing in some cases. I meant chelsea is still over dortmund in the comparison based on the history in the champion league but this time chelsea's performance has been decreasing a lot. People are taking dortmund as a team that will be winning in the next stage. Chelsea may give a good performance after it will be bought some new players. The fact that if would be good for chelsea to sign some new players as preparation against dortmund.
It's very bad to see how bad the performance that already shown by chelsea during its matches on EPL. it can perform better than what it has done before

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I hope no one forgets or underestimates Benfica, because Benfica is also one of the unbeaten teams in the group stage. What's more, in this round of 16 Benfica will play against Club Brugge and I think Benfica is still the best when compared to Club Brugge.
Therefore, I am very confident that Benfica will be able to advance to the quarter-finals or maybe even make it to the semi-finals.

But yes, the opponents that Benfica will face in the quarter-finals are also not weak teams, because the quarter-finals are a place for big teams to compete which of course is not easy.
But if I consider Benfica who was unbeaten when playing against PSG, it seems that this season Benfica still has a good chance of advancing to the semi-finals, at least at this moment I'm pretty sure for Benfica.

Not only in the Champions League, Benfica is also an unbeaten club in the domestic league. They will surprise me in the Champions League this season in my opinion. They have the advantages needed to compete in the Champions League, their goal productivity is excellent, their defense also has a reliable performance to keep their goal from conceding. Their opponent Club Brugge is a very surprising club, they could have qualified from the group stage by eliminating Leverkusen and Atletico Madrid, but they will face a better opponent than them in the last 16, I predict their journey in the Champions League this season will end in Benfica's hand.

Benfica has good progress on champion league that they can able to qualified to round of 16 for 2 season in a row even this season Benfica has successfully to get champion group status with unbeatable and last season Benfica has reached quarterfinal before they have to lose from Liverpool and for this season most people didn't considers them as the favourite even more likely as underdog although their performance quite impressive during group stage but i have no wonder about that because during their participate on champion league most of Portugal teams didn't have good achievement including Benfica but their next opponent is Club Brugge and on the paper this match should be easy for them and i am confident they will be able to beat Club Brugge and qualified to quarterfinal

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Quote from: iamsange on November 17, 2022, 11:57:01 PM

The Chelsea versus Dortmund match is very difficult to predict, but in my opinion their meeting is very even. The meeting between British and German representatives was their first meeting in history.

The Knockout Phase of the Champions League will still take place in February, both teams still have a long time to improve. But especially for Chelsea, if Potter doesn't revamp his squad, then the Blues' steps will be very difficult.

Considering Chelsea's current performance, I wound never bet that they would win the match against Dortmund. Dortmund have not also had a good season but the would be able to curtail Chelsea and even win the match. But I think the match might be determined by how many key players that would be available to these teams after the world cup. Chelsea might be in a good position to have a full squad since most of its key players are not featuring in the world cup due to injuries. Dortmund's Sebastien Haller cancer surgery would also be a big blow to the team. 15th February is still far, it is possible that new players might be added to these teams that might contribute positively to their success.

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Quote from: Sebas.tian on November 17, 2022, 11:26:50 PM

I don't think, Chelsea can defeat Dortmund in their next match because Chelsea performance in this season has reduced since they sacked their potential coach few months ago, which is making other small teams to defeated them in this UEFA champions league competition. Based on their last match, I think Dortmund are in a good position to challenge Chelsea to achieve victory that will make people to believe that Dortmund has a potential players in this season. No matter how prepared Chelsea will prepare after the holiday, it will be difficult for them to win Dortmund because Dortmund players are very good to withstand Chelsea after the holiday.

The Chelsea versus Dortmund match is very difficult to predict, but in my opinion their meeting is very even. The meeting between British and German representatives was their first meeting in history.

The Knockout Phase of the Champions League will still take place in February, both teams still have a long time to improve. But especially for Chelsea, if Potter doesn't revamp his squad, then the Blues' steps will be very difficult.

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When it comes to the Dortmund - Chelsea matchup I can say that Chelsea is clearly the favourite side to advance.

Regardless of the leagues they are both playing in, Chelsea is a much better team than Dortmund this season. Chelsea has demonstrated superior ability in the Champions League group stage match by finishing first in the table above what the Dortmund team demonstrated in their own group stage matches. After the World Cup, I believe this is a straightforward pathway for them to reach the quarterfinals.

I don't think, Chelsea can defeat Dortmund in their next match because Chelsea performance in this season has reduced since they sacked their potential coach few months ago, which is making other small teams to defeated them in this UEFA champions league competition. Based on their last match, I think Dortmund are in a good position to challenge Chelsea to achieve victory that will make people to believe that Dortmund has a potential players in this season. No matter how prepared Chelsea will prepare after the holiday, it will be difficult for them to win Dortmund because Dortmund players are very good to withstand Chelsea after the holiday.

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I can't believe that the Chelsea team is stronger than Dortmund. At least their performance doesn't seem like it. Chelsea's last team performance is very poor. Chelsea has lost points in their last 5 Premier League matches. They are not able to play well. The performance of their forward players is very poor. So I see no reason to think that Chelsea will easily win against Dortmund. Dortmund has a strong squad. And they are capable of beating any team. So Dortmund vs Chelsea match will be very competitive and both teams have a chance to win.

The champions league knock out tie will take place after the worldcup; so it is difficult to judge the players and the team using their pre worldcup performances and form; because by the time club football resumes; alot would have changed (including outgoing or incomings of new signing). I think chelsea will edge through dortmund and qualify

The world cup must not be a thing to change the result from next stage of champion's league. The main concern must be the champion league will be starting after the closed window of next transfer season. there will be lots of changes in the club just like napoli may lose some of its players caused by they were moving to the another club. In another case that real madrid may get a new striker and this help the club to increase its attack. Chelsea was also doing some transfer in the upcoming transfer season.
There will be lots of changes before the next stage of champion league will be started. This may make the result being unpredictable caused by there will be so many new rotation by various clubs.

I might not be aware of any rumors yet, but I highly doubt that any player of the most important Napoli players will leave the club during the upcoming transfer window. What would have to happen that a player leaves Napoli now given how they are performing? That doesn't make any sense.

Usually the World Cup wouldn't necessarily change anything, but injuries could play a role. They could of course occur in any game outside of a World Cup of course. Since we have some major matches at this stage of the Champions League it is just natural that every team hopes to get started into the next phase with the full squad. Everyone on board in order to be able to give their best.

There is one thing that might a difference and that is when a team with many Premier League players wins the World Cup. The final is on December 18th and the PL will continue on December 26th. That is literally no break frankly speaking and might be very stressful physically. Those players might perhaps be more prone to injuries.

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Quote from: Asiska02 on November 17, 2022, 02:36:39 PM

Regardless of the leagues they are both playing in, Chelsea is a much better team than Dortmund this season. Chelsea has demonstrated superior ability in the Champions League group stage match by finishing first in the table above what the Dortmund team demonstrated in their own group stage matches.

If the group stage becomes the benchmark
Chelsea's toughest opponent in group E is Milan, of course Chelsea's challenge to finish in first place is not as difficult as Dortmund who faced Manchester City in group G, one of the best teams this season. Even so, Dortmund recorded success in hold Manchester City to a draw some time ago
In my opinion it is less effective to compare the two teams based on the standings in the group, because each has an opponent with different qualities

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Quote from: ampere on November 17, 2022, 04:17:41 PM

Quote from: BALIK on November 17, 2022, 03:15:49 PM

I can't believe that the Chelsea team is stronger than Dortmund. At least their performance doesn't seem like it. Chelsea's last team performance is very poor. Chelsea has lost points in their last 5 Premier League matches. They are not able to play well. The performance of their forward players is very poor. So I see no reason to think that Chelsea will easily win against Dortmund. Dortmund has a strong squad. And they are capable of beating any team. So Dortmund vs Chelsea match will be very competitive and both teams have a chance to win.

The champions league knock out tie will take place after the worldcup; so it is difficult to judge the players and the team using their pre worldcup performances and form; because by the time club football resumes; alot would have changed (including outgoing or incomings of new signing). I think chelsea will edge through dortmund and qualify

The world cup must not be a thing to change the result from next stage of champion's league. The main concern must be the champion league will be starting after the closed window of next transfer season. there will be lots of changes in the club just like napoli may lose some of its players caused by they were moving to the another club. In another case that real madrid may get a new striker and this help the club to increase its attack. Chelsea was also doing some transfer in the upcoming transfer season.
There will be lots of changes before the next stage of champion league will be started. This may make the result being unpredictable caused by there will be so many new rotation by various clubs.

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Quote from: Spack17 on November 17, 2022, 02:12:34 AM

When it comes to the Dortmund - Chelsea matchup I can say that Chelsea is clearly the favourite side to advance.

Because they aren't performing here like they do in the English Premier League. We have seen better performances in the Champions League so far and this carried them to the lead in their group. I know that they didn't have a tough group on paper but Salzburg and Dinamo still made difficulties for them. But they were really successful against a bigger team like Milan. They defeated Milan in both matches. This might be a proof that they can show a similar level of performance against Dortmund also. I don't see Dortmund's defense being strong now. As long as Chelsea are productive in the matchup they should be able to get past Dortmund nicely.

By the way the odds for Chelsea to advance to the quarter-final are like these:

Chelsea as favourites to advance comes as a surprise to me to hear honestly because Chelsea are in a poor form currently and have a poor record of losing four games in a roll now so I'm doubtful that Chelsea can cruise past Dortmund in the Champions league tie against Borussia Dortmund this season. This will be a tough one. I know they are not matched in a tough group but it will not be so easy as most people will expect.

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Quote from: Warkop on November 17, 2022, 02:26:28 AM

These two Clubs are currently in the mid-ranking in their respective league standings, of course this is a match that is balanced and appropriate, as the match between PSG and Bayern Munich is equally tough. When talking about Chelsea and Borussia Dortmund these two teams do not perform consistently in their league, but it's true what people say that they are better at playing in the Champions League, precisely the opposite for these two clubs, at least they can keep up with performance in the League and in the Champions League, if these two clubs continue to play like they are losing consistency in their League, then they don't will appear in the Champions League next season...

There are a lot of teams that play a lot better in UCL than they play in the league. Just to give a few examples, Chelsea won the UCL when they were third or fourth a few years ago, or Frankfurt won Europa when they were like 7th or something in the league.

All of this shows that you do not have to be good in both of them at the same time, we have also seen PSG be the league winner, and then lose to Real Madrid on the last 16 as well. That means you can be just good in one of them and not good in the other one. That’s the type of thing that we are looking at here, both Chelsea and Dortmund could be good teams or maybe they wouldn't be good at all, we don't know.

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