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Personally I don't think the Dortmund team is strong. But their performance is completely erratic. They have several talented players in their squad. And Dortmund can beat any team if they perform well. On the other hand, the performance of their opponent Chelsea is not regular. If they can't bring in an experienced striker in the winter transfer window, their performance will not improve. The performance of their forward players is poor.

Dortmund might not be in good shape at the moment but if you have to compare I think they are a better team than this current Chelsea side that have been performing poorly in their recent games losing four games in a roll in all competitions. It will be really tough for Chelsea if they fail to strengthen weak and lacking positions like their attack in the January transfer far window I expect Chelsea to be active in January to revive their standing.

Just for this season alone Dortmund has not done really well in their local league but in the Champions League they have done averagely well and they have all it takes to face Chelsea by next year.
Both Dotmund and Chelsea have good chances in that draw, only because by next year things might get better or worse with any club depending on the outcome of the players that went to the World Cup . We should expect a totally new Dortmund or Chelsea by next year .

yes it is true, both have a mediocre performance
I didn't even consider them to get to the conquest of the title
moreover, their matches seem terribly boring to me

I don't know, as bookmakers I see that they are not listed to win the Champions League, I consider them a side dish

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Quote from: fachant on November 16, 2022, 08:42:23 AM

You're right, Chelsea still have some time to bounce back. Chelsea is undoubtedly a good team but not all teams have good performances all the time. Maybe that's exactly what Chelsea are doing right now. But hopefully Chelsea will return to form very soon. And will play well against Dortmund.

They can make the best use of the winter transfer market to strengthen the squad. With a long time lag before the Champions League returns, they can use it to evaluate their current weaknesses. Now their defense and attack are in the spotlight, because they made a lot of mistakes there.
Likewise with their opponent Borussia Dortmund who are currently experiencing a downturn, although not as severe as the decline from Chelsea, it remains a fundamental problem that they must immediately fix. The meeting of 2 big teams from 2 different countries should present an interesting match to watch.

The first thing that must be done by chelsea to sell so many players that have very bad performance. I think that potter can't even adapt with the situation that happened with chelsea. chelsea keeps facing lose streak. This gonna be a very big pressure for potter.
Buying the players were not always the solution if that was only 1 or 2 players. Chelsea's squad is not the same like last year where it can also compete in the EPL. Chelsea will face dortmund which was not a strong team but the problem is if chelsea is still performing underrated based from the result in the EPL. Three lose in a rows for chelsea which is a very bad result for graham potter as well. that makes me doubt if chelsea can win against dortmund next year

When it comes to Adaptation there is no way Potter won multiple times even when his Chelsea debut started.
I personally feel that this is still related to the players who are injured especially there are 5 people there and most of them are defenders who can't play which makes them always lose and lose.
After missing Kante and Reece James, one by one, their players had problems with their feet. Namely, Fofana, Chilwell and even Gallagher had to follow suit.
Losing some tough defenders is definitely a pain of course and this I don't think is an issue with Potter adaptation but the players he has now are sorely lacking.

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Quote from: Sebas.tian on November 16, 2022, 11:08:54 PM

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You're right, Chelsea still have some time to bounce back. Chelsea is undoubtedly a good team but not all teams have good performances all the time. Maybe that's exactly what Chelsea are doing right now. But hopefully Chelsea will return to form very soon. And will play well against Dortmund.

Dortmund are very well-balanced opponents for Chelsea this season and as it is all about staying in the Champions League both will try to play better and will try to make more serious attacks in order to score more goals. I think when the second match starts, it will be a very fierce match and also more enjoyable to watch. But for the time being everyone will have to watch the players in the league return to their respective countries to play in the world cup before returning to their respective leagues in teams.

Yes, Dortmund players are very strong in this season to challenge Chelsea after the holiday, because their coach is a talented coach that know how to introduce tactics that will bring favour to the team at the end of the match. I think, the both teams will use this break as an opportunity to prepare well ahead of their next match to ensure there are new things in their performance that will give their fans Joy. I believe, Chelsea coach will definitely find solution to their poor performance before returning back to UEFA champion league competition, so that it will help the team to recover from their losses.

if we look at the performance of the two teams since the start of the season, both of them have been inconsistent, Dortmund, which is the same as last season, which did not develop rapidly, they have not been able to be consistent, while Chelsea have not been able to be consistent after changing coaches.

so I think it's an even match and both of them still have the same chance to qualify for the next round.
there is not much difference between the two teams and what determines who will qualify is the team that is more prepared at that time, because in terms of performance and quality the two are not much different and both also have problems with consistency.

These two Clubs are currently in the mid-ranking in their respective league standings, of course this is a match that is balanced and appropriate, as the match between PSG and Bayern Munich is equally tough. When talking about Chelsea and Borussia Dortmund these two teams do not perform consistently in their league, but it's true what people say that they are better at playing in the Champions League, precisely the opposite for these two clubs, at least they can keep up with performance in the League and in the Champions League, if these two clubs continue to play like they are losing consistency in their League, then they don't will appear in the Champions League next season...

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When it comes to the Dortmund - Chelsea matchup I can say that Chelsea is clearly the favourite side to advance.

Because they aren't performing here like they do in the English Premier League. We have seen better performances in the Champions League so far and this carried them to the lead in their group. I know that they didn't have a tough group on paper but Salzburg and Dinamo still made difficulties for them. But they were really successful against a bigger team like Milan. They defeated Milan in both matches. This might be a proof that they can show a similar level of performance against Dortmund also. I don't see Dortmund's defense being strong now. As long as Chelsea are productive in the matchup they should be able to get past Dortmund nicely.

By the way the odds for Chelsea to advance to the quarter-final are like these:

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I think that players are not going to care about injuries when they’re playing for the national team in the World Cup. How many times we have seen players coming back with an injury from the World Cup? And obviously, players are going to give much more importance to the World Cup instead to club football.

Right now, neither Chelsea nor Dortmund’s playing well. So, it will be detrimental for them if any of the layers pick up an injury in the World Cup.

No one knows about the arrival of injuries to players, so they deserve to play optimally when defending their country in the World Cup later. No player wants them injured, I think you are wrong in saying they don't care about injuries. All football players don't want that because it will make a decline in their career. Maybe the reason you say that is because it involves them playing for their country, but still, this is something that they will definitely anticipate.

There is no player who is careless about injury or who is happy to be injured. We know the joy that comes when you represent your country in the highest level of football where the whole world will watch you display the colour of your country, they will play with determination, strength and energy but that does not mean that they will like to be injured because there is the life after WC
There is much likelihood for any player to be injured in the world cup because there is no much time for rest, the matches are played every 3 days

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both of them experienced a decline in performance in the domestic league. but for the champions league trophy of course both of them will prepare better.
dortmund vs Chelsea is hard to predict. but both of them were dropped from the top 4 of the domestic league. it's hard to see this, even Dortmund has difficulty competing with Freiburg and Leipzig. of course facing Chelsea will also be difficult for Dortmund. but the chance of winning, Dortmund is still big. we'll see which team is more prepared, the rest phase is also quite long. plenty of time to prepare before they fight.

Even though in their respective leagues they have seen a decline in performance, for the Champions League they will definitely give their all even though they are not superior.
Chelsea has more chances when compared to Dortmund, the Champions League will be very different to a team that has never won it, meanwhile, Dortmund's performance has decreased significantly compared to Chelsea in their respective leagues, plenty of time for preparation, allowing the two clubs to make improvements in the team, so they can qualify for the round of 16 with a win.

Chelsea and also Dortmund have won the Champions League but Dortmund have done it a long time after that they have never won, agree sometimes the Club that has won the Champions League has the upper hand to win the game.
We can see some teams that are bad in the local league but can perform better in the Champions League the reason could be because the opportunity in the local league is no longer there to win so that the team becomes more focused on tournaments where they still have a chance to win or even be champions. About this match they are equally likely to win, do not have a favorite who will win because the formation of players can change after the World Cup

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You're right, Chelsea still have some time to bounce back. Chelsea is undoubtedly a good team but not all teams have good performances all the time. Maybe that's exactly what Chelsea are doing right now. But hopefully Chelsea will return to form very soon. And will play well against Dortmund.

They can make the best use of the winter transfer market to strengthen the squad. With a long time lag before the Champions League returns, they can use it to evaluate their current weaknesses. Now their defense and attack are in the spotlight, because they made a lot of mistakes there.
Likewise with their opponent Borussia Dortmund who are currently experiencing a downturn, although not as severe as the decline from Chelsea, it remains a fundamental problem that they must immediately fix. The meeting of 2 big teams from 2 different countries should present an interesting match to watch.

The first thing that must be done by chelsea to sell so many players that have very bad performance. I think that potter can't even adapt with the situation that happened with chelsea. chelsea keeps facing lose streak. This gonna be a very big pressure for potter.
Buying the players were not always the solution if that was only 1 or 2 players. Chelsea's squad is not the same like last year where it can also compete in the EPL. Chelsea will face dortmund which was not a strong team but the problem is if chelsea is still performing underrated based from the result in the EPL. Three lose in a rows for chelsea which is a very bad result for graham potter as well. that makes me doubt if chelsea can win against dortmund next year

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Quote from: GiftedMAN on November 16, 2022, 01:59:37 PM

Dortmund is never a better team this season than Chelsea unless they defeat Chelsea which I don't think is possible until the final whistle because Chelsea is known as a strong team when they play other big teams outside the EPL and we have watched them defeat Barcelona, AC Milan and almost did it last season against the defending Champion Real Madrid. I think it will be a strong game but Chelsea will make it to the next round.

Not this Chelsea squad, the 2020/2021 squad (Champions) was a determined force that really needed to prove to the world that they shouldn't be underated but this current Chelsea squad doesn't have that determination in them. They know if they don't achieve anything this season that nobody will question them since they're understandably under a new owner, coach and inexperienced one for that matter. Chelsea are currently in their worst form since the days of sacking of Mourinho. Chelsea doesn't lose three successive games without winning but from the way this current squad are playing it seems that'll soon become a regular occurrence as we're currently on a three game losing form.

In the premier league, Chelsea has won only two of their last game and losing to teams that Chelsea shouldn't be losing to especially as we're way behind in the title race. With amount of money spent this season, Chelsea should be title contenders since money spent is now among the factors required to be competing for the title. No win in our last five premier league games (three loss, two draws) things aren't just looking good at the moment but hopefully things change after the world cup.

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You're right, Chelsea still have some time to bounce back. Chelsea is undoubtedly a good team but not all teams have good performances all the time. Maybe that's exactly what Chelsea are doing right now. But hopefully Chelsea will return to form very soon. And will play well against Dortmund.

Dortmund are very well-balanced opponents for Chelsea this season and as it is all about staying in the Champions League both will try to play better and will try to make more serious attacks in order to score more goals. I think when the second match starts, it will be a very fierce match and also more enjoyable to watch. But for the time being everyone will have to watch the players in the league return to their respective countries to play in the world cup before returning to their respective leagues in teams.

Yes, Dortmund players are very strong in this season to challenge Chelsea after the holiday, because their coach is a talented coach that know how to introduce tactics that will bring favour to the team at the end of the match. I think, the both teams will use this break as an opportunity to prepare well ahead of their next match to ensure there are new things in their performance that will give their fans Joy. I believe, Chelsea coach will definitely find solution to their poor performance before returning back to UEFA champion league competition, so that it will help the team to recover from their losses.

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Quote from: Awaklara on November 15, 2022, 10:36:53 PM

both of them experienced a decline in performance in the domestic league. but for the champions league trophy of course both of them will prepare better.
dortmund vs Chelsea is hard to predict. but both of them were dropped from the top 4 of the domestic league. it's hard to see this, even Dortmund has difficulty competing with Freiburg and Leipzig. of course facing Chelsea will also be difficult for Dortmund. but the chance of winning, Dortmund is still big. we'll see which team is more prepared, the rest phase is also quite long. plenty of time to prepare before they fight.

Even though in their respective leagues they have seen a decline in performance, for the Champions League they will definitely give their all even though they are not superior.
Chelsea has more chances when compared to Dortmund, the Champions League will be very different to a team that has never won it, meanwhile, Dortmund's performance has decreased significantly compared to Chelsea in their respective leagues, plenty of time for preparation, allowing the two clubs to make improvements in the team, so they can qualify for the round of 16 with a win.

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Quote from: S A KHAIR on November 16, 2022, 02:24:07 AM

I think Dortmund and Chelsea are both strong teams. But the problem is that their performance is not consistent. They perform well against strong teams, but also lose against weak teams. And it is difficult to make predictions about the performance of irregular teams. Dortmund vs Chelsea match can have any result. Both teams have equal chances. So I will refrain from betting on this match.

Consistency comes with managers being there for a long time, and that’s something that would take a bit of a time for most of the clubs and I do not think that Chelsea could be considered that way, Dortmund is not because of the players they keep losing all the time, they barely have any strikers left after Haaland left and Haller got sick.

So all in all that consistency is not there because these teams are good teams, normally they should be good, but they have some problems going on and that causes them to be not that great for a long time, only show their greatness here and there. Chelsea is still a lot better than Dortmund when you consider it though, they just have a better team.

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Quote from: CryptopreneurBrainboss on November 16, 2022, 12:28:21 PM

Dortmund might be the better team now but lets wait to see what happens after the world cup, Chelsea cannot keep playing as poorly as they were and that's a fact, the Chelsea side is always known for improving their style of play whenever a new manager is appointed. Potter will get the team working again as he gets to know the players better. We just have to be patient with him and not forget he hasn't had time to get to know his players.

I don't think Dortmund is doing a better job this season in terms of performance than Chelsea even though Chelsea has been in poor form under their new manager Potter. Comparing the performance of two teams in their league, Dortmund has played 15 matches, won 8, drawn 1, and lost 6 and they are currently in 6th position with 25points while Chelsea has played 14 matches, won 6, drawn 3 and lost 5 matches and they have a total of 21 points and currently 8th place in the table. Going with this analysis, I see that Dortmund has lost more matches in their league than Chelsea without an injury crisis while Chelsea is facing the challenge of injury, and the new coach trying to get used to the players and their playing position which he is gradually getting used to.

Dortmund is never a better team this season than Chelsea unless they defeat Chelsea which I don't think is possible until the final whistle because Chelsea is known as a strong team when they play other big teams outside the EPL and we have watched them defeat Barcelona, AC Milan and almost did it last season against the defending Champion Real Madrid. I think it will be a strong game but Chelsea will make it to the next round.

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Quote from: Oneandpure on November 16, 2022, 10:28:58 AM

Without active on next window transfer I think both team between Chelsea and Dortmund are in the poor performance right now, have lucky for postponed match with international break out seems Chelsea and Dortmund have enough time take recovery and back to the top performance. Chelsea's appearance this season has been very tragic, since Graham Potter replaced Thomas Tuchel so far he has not been able to provide the best performance for Chelsea.

Dortmund are also in poor performance at the moment, two consecutive defeats in the Bundesliga have knocked them out of top fourth standing, likely match Chelsea vs Dortmund not as big match depending both team standing on domestic league.

Both teams look less good when viewed from the performance in their respective leagues. But for me, Chelsea is much better to be the favorite in this match considering they look more experienced. However, I dare not guarantee that Chelsea will be able to win the match against Dortmund if their performance does not improve.

For now, I think everything is still very difficult to determine. Chelsea was great, but Dortmund didn't look bad either. Both teams have chances to win the match, but maybe in the Champions League experience will benefit Chelsea.

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Quote from: fachant on November 16, 2022, 08:42:23 AM

You're right, Chelsea still have some time to bounce back. Chelsea is undoubtedly a good team but not all teams have good performances all the time. Maybe that's exactly what Chelsea are doing right now. But hopefully Chelsea will return to form very soon. And will play well against Dortmund.

Dortmund are very well-balanced opponents for Chelsea this season and as it is all about staying in the Champions League both will try to play better and will try to make more serious attacks in order to score more goals. I think when the second match starts, it will be a very fierce match and also more enjoyable to watch. But for the time being everyone will have to watch the players in the league return to their respective countries to play in the world cup before returning to their respective leagues in teams.

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Quote from: hahay on November 16, 2022, 08:34:18 AM

So, in this Dortmund v Chelsea match, I personally will still choose Dortmund to win, because Chelsea did not have a good performance against the top teams in the Premier League and Chelsea are in a mess at this moment.

Is Dortmund among the top teams in the premier league or even playing in the premier league for you to use that as a based for judgement. The premier league and champions league are too different tournament that has its own atmosphere. Don't you forget Chelsea has been impressive in the champions league this season after starting very poorly. Nobody believe Chelsea could progress to the knockout stages after how poorly they started but teams that people thought will be in the knockout stages are out already while Chelsea still has a chance to progress more in the tournament as they couldn't have asked for a more fair opponent than Dortmund.

Dortmund might be the better team now but lets wait to see what happens after the world cup, Chelsea cannot keep playing as poorly as they were and that's a fact, the Chelsea side is always known for improving their style of play whenever a new manager is appointed. Potter will get the team working again as he gets to know the players better. We just have to be patient with him and not forget he hasn't had time to get to know his players.

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Quote from: fachant on November 16, 2022, 08:42:23 AM

You're right, Chelsea still have some time to bounce back. Chelsea is undoubtedly a good team but not all teams have good performances all the time. Maybe that's exactly what Chelsea are doing right now. But hopefully Chelsea will return to form very soon. And will play well against Dortmund.

They can make the best use of the winter transfer market to strengthen the squad. With a long time lag before the Champions League returns, they can use it to evaluate their current weaknesses. Now their defense and attack are in the spotlight, because they made a lot of mistakes there.
Likewise with their opponent Borussia Dortmund who are currently experiencing a downturn, although not as severe as the decline from Chelsea, it remains a fundamental problem that they must immediately fix. The meeting of 2 big teams from 2 different countries should present an interesting match to watch.

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That game between PSG and Bayern could be a final match or a semifinal one. It is unfortunate to see it that early and it is damn hard to know which team will win and pass to the next stage!
Bayern is a very solid team and whenever they are fit they can humiliate every team they face regardless of their ability like the 8 goals vs Barcelona. Nevertheless they have weak moments where they play badly. PSG needs to win UCL even once, they have one of the most powerful line-up since years and it is like we win that title this season or never again!
I cannot decide which team to back, even the result of the first leg cannot be helpful imo.

It would be nice if your words about "this season or never again" turned out to be true. Because City are in the same position and if one of these oil clubs is left out of the Champions League title holders I will be very happy. In general, I do not expect surprises in the Bayern-PSG pairing, I hope both clubs will be in optimal shape and then Bayern should win confidently. It will be worse if Bayern has some kind of failure.

City this time is having a lot of luck in the champions league, and see that their next game is against Leipzig which I think is not an opponent that city cannot win, I hope that city does not make the same mistake as it did in the last one Premier League game in which he lost even playing with his best players, the City coach has to manage his players well because in the Premier League they have a strong opponent who is at the top and on the other side has the ambition of years to conquer the league champions, however for city may have a good chance of winning the champions league this season

Quote from: Oneandpure on November 16, 2022, 10:28:58 AM

Dortmund are also in poor performance at the moment, two consecutive defeats in the Bundesliga have knocked them out of top fourth standing, likely match Chelsea vs Dortmund not as big match depending both team standing on domestic league.

i stopped betting on these two teams, and for this game i think there is no favorite team, both teams are bad, but there is something chelsea can do: if chelsea can sign good players in time then they can have better chances to win this game, but lately chelsea has been a disaster even for signing players, something very sad. as for dortmond they are unstable, they can play badly today and the next day they play very well

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Quote from: makishart on November 16, 2022, 08:17:30 AM

Both are strong teams but these team have the same problems. The consistently on their performance have always become big questions. The most difficult match to predict just like the match between dortmund against chelsea. it's caused by both have very bad performance but the good thing is dortmund has better result as it was only loosing in the last two matches in the bundesliga unlike chelsea which has been facing more lose and draws. The consistently from chelsea has become a big question rather than dortmund. Bundesliga may much more easier compared with EPL but in this match dortmund was also equal with chelsea. i think that chelsea can't win against dortmund.

Without active on next window transfer I think both team between Chelsea and Dortmund are in the poor performance right now, have lucky for postponed match with international break out seems Chelsea and Dortmund have enough time take recovery and back to the top performance. Chelsea's appearance this season has been very tragic, since Graham Potter replaced Thomas Tuchel so far he has not been able to provide the best performance for Chelsea.

Dortmund are also in poor performance at the moment, two consecutive defeats in the Bundesliga have knocked them out of top fourth standing, likely match Chelsea vs Dortmund not as big match depending both team standing on domestic league.

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Quote from: makishart on November 16, 2022, 08:17:30 AM

Both are strong teams but these team have the same problems. The consistently on their performance have always become big questions. The most difficult match to predict just like the match between dortmund against chelsea. it's caused by both have very bad performance but the good thing is dortmund has better result as it was only loosing in the last two matches in the bundesliga unlike chelsea which has been facing more lose and draws. The consistently from chelsea has become a big question rather than dortmund. Bundesliga may much more easier compared with EPL but in this match dortmund was also equal with chelsea. i think that chelsea can't win against dortmund.

My opinions about Dortmund and Chelsea are like:

Dortmund just don't care about winning even the Bundesliga title. As a result they aren't a very assertive team in the Champions League as well. Maybe you will say that Dortmund have played a finale in the Champions League against Bayern Munich before. But it was so many years ago. Now Dortmund are just a team that focus on scouting young talents, bringing them here and developing them later on. Most probably these players are bought by another big team and Dortmund continue to make a lot of money like this. But they just don't put winning championships to the first place in their target list.

About Chelsea, I can say that they are normally a very dangerous team in the Champions League. There was even a season that they became the champions while not so many people were expecting them to make it. They have a good history in this tournament as well. Their problem is management now. If they are managed properly then they will start being a big threat to the biggest title contenders again.

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Quote from: DanWalker on November 16, 2022, 08:51:22 AM

I think that players are not going to care about injuries when they’re playing for the national team in the World Cup. How many times we have seen players coming back with an injury from the World Cup? And obviously, players are going to give much more importance to the World Cup instead to club football.

Right now, neither Chelsea nor Dortmund’s playing well. So, it will be detrimental for them if any of the layers pick up an injury in the World Cup.

No one knows about the arrival of injuries to players, so they deserve to play optimally when defending their country in the World Cup later. No player wants them injured, I think you are wrong in saying they don't care about injuries. All football players don't want that because it will make a decline in their career. Maybe the reason you say that is because it involves them playing for their country, but still, this is something that they will definitely anticipate.

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