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Quote from: arimamib on June 19, 2023, 05:49:42 PM

Barcelona had to go through many transitions at the club and it did make it difficult for them to return aggressively in the ucl after several of their senior players left for other clubs and some retired. So, in the current era, Barcelona seems to have revived after Xavi managed to bring Barcelona back to win the La Liga trophy.
well, next season will be a big proof for barcelona in the ucl where they should be able to reach the final with all the qualities they currently have. Tiki Taka can be resurrected by Xavi as that is their trademark and that could be fine tuned to start him in the UCL next season.

It's just that rivals began to adapt to tiki-taka and find an effective antidote. Also, for such a style of play, players of the appropriate high level are required, and I am not sure that the current generation of football players is just as talented in this style, and the old generation is already gone. However, Barcelona fans should be pleased by the fact that the team was led by Xavi, who grew up in the Barcelona system and absorbed these principles from childhood and who knows what is needed for this and what performers are needed at the same time. Winning La Liga this season already says that Xavi is on the right track.

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Quote from: ILuckyGuyI on June 19, 2023, 11:52:09 AM

There is something really odd about Barcelona indeed. This tiki-taka system was working pretty well in the past and it brought even the Champions League title to them. Those times were Messi's prime time also of course. But some time later something started to go really wrong about this team. Even with Messi's huge contribution the team were still a failure in the end.

Messi's departure made things even worse about their CL performance. Therefore I just think that the same system doesn't work anymore. But Xavi doesn't seem eager to make substantial changes in his strategies. However if they fail in the CL in a similar way this season also then I would start to worry about Xavi's future in this team. Sad

Because I don't think only winning the La Liga title is enough to satisfy the board.

Barcelona had to go through many transitions at the club and it did make it difficult for them to return aggressively in the ucl after several of their senior players left for other clubs and some retired. So, in the current era, Barcelona seems to have revived after Xavi managed to bring Barcelona back to win the La Liga trophy.

well, next season will be a big proof for barcelona in the ucl where they should be able to reach the final with all the qualities they currently have. Tiki Taka can be resurrected by Xavi as that is their trademark and that could be fine tuned to start him in the UCL next season.

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Quote from: klidex on June 19, 2023, 01:17:53 PM

Indeed, Real Madrid is so far one of the clubs that has the most Champions League trophies, even though yesterday it failed to get a trophy because it lost to Manchester city.
But that doesn't mean Real Madrid will just sit idly by, of course, they will think of new ways and strategies to beat Manchester city in the following season.
From the failure of Real Madrid yesterday, it will be one experience to find Manchester City's weaknesses and win the Champions League title again.
I hope next year in the champions league we can see the final between Real Madrid and Manchester city.

I was looking forward to their meeting in the Champions League finals this season, but it never happened. If the two Italian teams had not met but instead faced Manchester City and Real Madrid, I was certain of a final clash between these two teams, which would have been one of the best football finals in Champions League history.

I anticipate tougher competition by next season, as well as improved performance by this season's weak clubs. Real Madrid are naturally good in Champions League competitions, so I don't expect a drop in performance from them even next season, and I hope Manchester City can maintain their current form they exhibited in the Champions league this season against next season again.

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Quote from: skarais on June 19, 2023, 08:02:35 AM

I know Xavi failed to get Barcelona out of the Champions League group stage last season, but I think Barcelona have improved a lot since then. Barcelona is clearly expected to qualify for a higher phase in the Champions League next season, but obviously it would be a shame if Barcelona ended up in the hell group like last season.

Barcelona have become a stronger team in the last two seasons, so Xavi has hopes of bringing success to his team in the Champions League. I'm not thinking about a title for Barcelona in the Champions League yet, but they could be a good contender for next season's Champions League.

Barcelona won La Liga this season, bridging the gap with their rivals and having one of their best seasons. They can yet improve next season. The bluagrana was strong enough to compete at the highest level. Although Xavi Hernandez is doing an amazing job as manager of Barcà, the players lack confidence in improving their performance in league games, particularly when it comes to UEFA Champions League football. I don't think they're ready for the challenges posed by UEFA clubs since they've repeatedly failed to match their fans' expectations.

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Quote from: skarais on June 19, 2023, 08:02:35 AM

I know Xavi failed to get Barcelona out of the Champions League group stage last season, but I think Barcelona have improved a lot since then. Barcelona is clearly expected to qualify for a higher phase in the Champions League next season, but obviously it would be a shame if Barcelona ended up in the hell group like last season.

Barcelona have become a stronger team in the last two seasons, so Xavi has hopes of bringing success to his team in the Champions League. I'm not thinking about a title for Barcelona in the Champions League yet, but they could be a good contender for next season's Champions League.

Agree. Barcelona has improved, they become stronger and played more solidly. I think Barcelona can be better in the next season, all the players already adapted well now. But Barcelona still needs some new players if they want to target winning the UCL trophy. I think they need to strengthen their defense and their attacking line with 1-2 top players. It won't be easy to win the UCL, Man City and other teams also strengthen their squad in the current transfer window. If Barcelona doesn't strengthen more their squad, they are difficult reaching the final and winning the UCL trophy in the next season.

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Quote from: Daniel91 on June 17, 2023, 12:39:19 PM

Yes, it is actually very interesting. Barcelona has won more Spanish championships than Real in recent years, but Real is much more successful than Barcelona in the Champions League. In the last 2 years, Barcelona did not even manage to make it to the knockout phase of the Champions League. I really don't know how to explain it rationally.
Barcelona has had major financial and organizational problems in recent years, and the loss of Messi was irreplaceable.
Honestly, I don't see Barcelona as one of the favorites in the next season of the Champions League, unlike Real.
Manchester City remains the main favorite for the next season of the Champions League.

There is something really odd about Barcelona indeed. This tiki-taka system was working pretty well in the past and it brought even the Champions League title to them. Those times were Messi's prime time also of course. But some time later something started to go really wrong about this team. Even with Messi's huge contribution the team were still a failure in the end.

Messi's departure made things even worse about their CL performance. Therefore I just think that the same system doesn't work anymore. But Xavi doesn't seem eager to make substantial changes in his strategies. However if they fail in the CL in a similar way this season also then I would start to worry about Xavi's future in this team. Sad

Because I don't think only winning the La Liga title is enough to satisfy the board.

I honestly think that the board cannot ask for too much from Xavi. Especially when he has actually brought stability to the team despite all of the problems that they had been facing. Barcelona should actually be happy that they are at least being able to win the La Liga title. Because the problem that they hadn’t been facing before Xavi came to the club as manager I don’t think that was going to be fixed by any other coach so fast.

Of course, if they could date someone like Zidane, they could probably get a little better result. But they did not have the money to bring in a coach like that. And no one actually wanted to take up the job because it was basically suicide.

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Quote from: skarais on June 19, 2023, 09:15:40 AM

I would also say that, but I think Barcelona has moved up a level compared to last season. Their defense is improving, the midfielders and strikers have been very good, so I think it's only a matter of time. If Barcelona is supported by good financial conditions, then I'm sure Xavi can build a stronger team. Xavi needs a good left wingger instead of rotating Dembele and Raphinha in those two positions, but if Ansu Fati and Ferran Torres do well then that will also help a lot.

Xavi still needs many of players to establish his performance in midfield and attack, but financial problems have so far prevented the realization of those plans. But after all Barcelona can still compete with the current composition of the team, but it is difficult to achieve great success in Europe.

Ansu Fati and Ferran Torres deserve to be let go, if there are better offers. or, at least, Torres would be better off let go. Raphinha, I haven't seen his best yet. in fact, its performance tends to go ups and downs. well, if Xavi wants to build a stronger team, he must first bring in a successor to replace Busquets. at the very least, one that was almost on par with him both in experience and ingenuity when it came to managing his teammates. there is no choice, if Xavi has to persuade Gundohan to be willing to play with Barcelona.

For defenders, I think Barcelona is quite strong but it seems like Kounde still needs a better adaptation because sometimes he underperforms several times.
for me, ideally Barcelona let Raphinha go. because it seems that he does not suit the style of the system that Xavi applies, Bernaldo Silva can play in various positions instead. well, for domestic competition. I'm pretty sure, if the probability that Barcelona has to defend its title is wide open. but in this competition, I doubt it enough if there aren't many changes that Xavi has made by bringing in several newcomers. unfortunately, they have financial problems.

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I personally think that the Europa League should be the only tournament together with the Champions League. The appointment of the Conference League should not have taken place, but I also understand that it is a commercial thing. All a lot of turnover for the football association, and in this way very small teams also get the chance to participate in a European round. But the difference in the prize money between all 3 tournaments is of course bizarrely high.

I can't agree with it. The small clubs shall have the same chances to participate in the low tier competition that being created even for the commercial purpose only. The price would not be as high as europa league or even UCL but it can help small team a lot.
It will be so bad if UEFA removes conference league. The small teams with limited budget must also get the same chances as the big teams that are heavily invested by big investors.
There shall not be a differentiation between any clubs. EUFA was making conference league to facilitating the club that placed at the bottom to be able to compete to get low tier trophy in european league competition. It's also helping the club to participate in the higher level of UEFA competitions. I think that you shall see that from another perspective. you shall not only focus on the commercial purpose from conference league.

Small clubs must have the same opportunities as big clubs, even though the competition is indeed lower, but at least it is a stage for them to be able to show that they can actually develop even though they cannot compete with the big clubs yet, so I agree with you.

The Conference League was created to give clubs who are finding it extremely difficult to qualify for the Europa League or Champions League a chance to experience the atmosphere of European matches. This also gives them a very big opportunity when they become champions, because they get a place to compete in the Europa League for the following season.

How the small teams like Sevilla or Newcastle or other teams can have the same chance as Real Madrid and Manchester City? Just the market value for these two teams and you understand how strong they are and the players they are not comparable with other teams, since they had more investment in there they will obviously get better results too.

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In the champions league, Real Madrid got 14 titles so far which is much more than other teams, the second team on the list is Ac Milan they got only 7 titles and they have a long way ahead to reach Real Madrid we know the Champions League is the first priority for Real Madrid and they even sometimes save some players from La Liga to have better performance in this tournament which is more important for them.
Even in the next Champions League because of the better players and potential they have, Real Madrid can have much chance to compared to other teams. Even Manchester City with Guardiola while there in their good from will have problems against Real Madrid.

https://www.uefa.com/uefachampionsleague/history/rankings/

Indeed, Real Madrid is so far one of the clubs that has the most Champions League trophies, even though yesterday it failed to get a trophy because it lost to Manchester city.
But that doesn't mean Real Madrid will just sit idly by, of course, they will think of new ways and strategies to beat Manchester city in the following season.
From the failure of Real Madrid yesterday, it will be one experience to find Manchester City's weaknesses and win the Champions League title again.
I hope next year in the champions league we can see the final between Real Madrid and Manchester city.

The main question is who is going to manage Real Madrid in the next champions league because I saw some news about Ancelotti leaving this team for Brazil and if this happened they are going to have a challenge with choosing a coach.

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Quote from: Leviathan.007 on June 19, 2023, 10:09:08 AM

In the champions league, Real Madrid got 14 titles so far which is much more than other teams, the second team on the list is Ac Milan they got only 7 titles and they have a long way ahead to reach Real Madrid we know the Champions League is the first priority for Real Madrid and they even sometimes save some players from La Liga to have better performance in this tournament which is more important for them.
Even in the next Champions League because of the better players and potential they have, Real Madrid can have much chance to compared to other teams. Even Manchester City with Guardiola while there in their good from will have problems against Real Madrid.

https://www.uefa.com/uefachampionsleague/history/rankings/

Indeed, Real Madrid is so far one of the clubs that has the most Champions League trophies, even though yesterday it failed to get a trophy because it lost to Manchester city.
But that doesn't mean Real Madrid will just sit idly by, of course, they will think of new ways and strategies to beat Manchester city in the following season.
From the failure of Real Madrid yesterday, it will be one experience to find Manchester City's weaknesses and win the Champions League title again.
I hope next year in the champions league we can see the final between Real Madrid and Manchester city.

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Quote from: Daniel91 on June 17, 2023, 12:39:19 PM

Yes, it is actually very interesting. Barcelona has won more Spanish championships than Real in recent years, but Real is much more successful than Barcelona in the Champions League. In the last 2 years, Barcelona did not even manage to make it to the knockout phase of the Champions League. I really don't know how to explain it rationally.
Barcelona has had major financial and organizational problems in recent years, and the loss of Messi was irreplaceable.
Honestly, I don't see Barcelona as one of the favorites in the next season of the Champions League, unlike Real.
Manchester City remains the main favorite for the next season of the Champions League.

There is something really odd about Barcelona indeed. This tiki-taka system was working pretty well in the past and it brought even the Champions League title to them. Those times were Messi's prime time also of course. But some time later something started to go really wrong about this team. Even with Messi's huge contribution the team were still a failure in the end.

Messi's departure made things even worse about their CL performance. Therefore I just think that the same system doesn't work anymore. But Xavi doesn't seem eager to make substantial changes in his strategies. However if they fail in the CL in a similar way this season also then I would start to worry about Xavi's future in this team. Sad

Because I don't think only winning the La Liga title is enough to satisfy the board.

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I perceive that Barcelona's journey to restore its past glory, especially reminiscing about the Messi, Xavi, and Iniesta period, is a long-term project. While the club holds the reigning Laliga championship title, which they are undoubtedly keen to defend, their immediate future does not seem to feature a UEFA Champions League trophy. As a neutral fan, I feel that Barcelona, under the leadership of Xavi Hernandez, is still in the developmental phase and lacks the wherewithal to become a major European contender by next year.

It may take years for barcelona to be able compete in UCL. Xavi is considering signing Gundogan but he has not yet made a decision on what steps to take next..
Barcelona has so many young talented players but it lacks of experience player now. Since busquets and alba have been leaving from the club and xavi is now confusing to find best replacement for all of them.
The young talented players need also senior players to backup them. It's a difficult situation for barcelona right now since some players refusing to leave from the club. They were trying to stay in the club even longer.
So far, no money has been raised from selling the players.

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Pep Guardiola hopes Manchester City extend Ilkay Gundogan's stay but claimed that he will be an excellent addition to the Barcelona squad.

source; https://www.goal.com/en/news/pep-guardiola-ilkay-gundogan-stays-man-city-extraordinary-signing-barcelona/bltcaff4a31f089c901

I find it a bit weird that Pep Guardiola says that sentence. I thought Guardiola will try even harder to keep him after he has played such an excellent season. Is it really about the issue that Gundogan wants two years contract and Manchester City will only give him one year? If he can preserve that level I would immediately give him a two year contract if I were the manager. Guardiola often emphasizes how much he likes Gudogan, but I think by now he says that about everyone but is still willing to let them go if the negotiations don't go in favor of the club. But again I think that Gundogan improved even further and he is so reliable during the game, he is not making mistakes and he increased his striking as well. If Gudogan leaves Manchester City and joins Barcelona then the Champions League title in 20"§ was the last one for him.

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Quote from: slapper on June 18, 2023, 09:48:53 AM

I perceive that Barcelona's journey to restore its past glory, especially reminiscing about the Messi, Xavi, and Iniesta period, is a long-term project. While the club holds the reigning Laliga championship title, which they are undoubtedly keen to defend, their immediate future does not seem to feature a UEFA Champions League trophy. As a neutral fan, I feel that Barcelona, under the leadership of Xavi Hernandez, is still in the developmental phase and lacks the wherewithal to become a major European contender by next year.

It may take years for barcelona to be able compete in UCL. Xavi is considering signing Gundogan but he has not yet made a decision on what steps to take next..
Barcelona has so many young talented players but it lacks of experience player now. Since busquets and alba have been leaving from the club and xavi is now confusing to find best replacement for all of them.
The young talented players need also senior players to backup them. It's a difficult situation for barcelona right now since some players refusing to leave from the club. They were trying to stay in the club even longer.
So far, no money has been raised from selling the players.

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Pep Guardiola hopes Manchester City extend Ilkay Gundogan's stay but claimed that he will be an excellent addition to the Barcelona squad.

source; https://www.goal.com/en/news/pep-guardiola-ilkay-gundogan-stays-man-city-extraordinary-signing-barcelona/bltcaff4a31f089c901

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I personally think that the Europa League should be the only tournament together with the Champions League. The appointment of the Conference League should not have taken place, but I also understand that it is a commercial thing. All a lot of turnover for the football association, and in this way very small teams also get the chance to participate in a European round. But the difference in the prize money between all 3 tournaments is of course bizarrely high.

I can't agree with it. The small clubs shall have the same chances to participate in the low tier competition that being created even for the commercial purpose only. The price would not be as high as europa league or even UCL but it can help small team a lot.
It will be so bad if UEFA removes conference league. The small teams with limited budget must also get the same chances as the big teams that are heavily invested by big investors.
There shall not be a differentiation between any clubs. EUFA was making conference league to facilitating the club that placed at the bottom to be able to compete to get low tier trophy in european league competition. It's also helping the club to participate in the higher level of UEFA competitions. I think that you shall see that from another perspective. you shall not only focus on the commercial purpose from conference league.

Small clubs must have the same opportunities as big clubs, even though the competition is indeed lower, but at least it is a stage for them to be able to show that they can actually develop even though they cannot compete with the big clubs yet, so I agree with you.

The Conference League was created to give clubs who are finding it extremely difficult to qualify for the Europa League or Champions League a chance to experience the atmosphere of European matches. This also gives them a very big opportunity when they become champions, because they get a place to compete in the Europa League for the following season.

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Quote from: shinratensei_ on June 19, 2023, 10:23:18 AM

I personally think that the Europa League should be the only tournament together with the Champions League. The appointment of the Conference League should not have taken place, but I also understand that it is a commercial thing. All a lot of turnover for the football association, and in this way very small teams also get the chance to participate in a European round. But the difference in the prize money between all 3 tournaments is of course bizarrely high.

The thing is that football is a big business and at that the association will always look out for ways to create an imclusive tournament rounds that also include other smaller unit of the sport/football market where the clubs that dont have much history and records can also be included innthe international footballs competitions.

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The small clubs shall have the same chances to participate in the low tier competition that being created even for the commercial purpose only. The price would not be as high as europa league or even UCL but it can help small team a
There shall not be a differentiation between any clubs. EUFA was making conference league to facilitating the club that placed at the bottom to be able to compete to get low tier trophy in European league competition. It's also helping the club to participate in the higher level of UEFA competitions. I think that you shall see that from another perspective. you shall not only focus on the commercial purpose of the conference league.

Low tier competition will give smaller clubs a great chance to indeed prove themselves in the international league and that is another avenue for them to show their talent and prove to the world that they're capable of holding other bigger international football titles.

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Quote from: BitcoinAccepted on June 18, 2023, 04:05:54 PM

I personally think that the Europa League should be the only tournament together with the Champions League. The appointment of the Conference League should not have taken place, but I also understand that it is a commercial thing. All a lot of turnover for the football association, and in this way very small teams also get the chance to participate in a European round. But the difference in the prize money between all 3 tournaments is of course bizarrely high.

I can't agree with it. The small clubs shall have the same chances to participate in the low tier competition that being created even for the commercial purpose only. The price would not be as high as europa league or even UCL but it can help small team a lot.
It will be so bad if UEFA removes conference league. The small teams with limited budget must also get the same chances as the big teams that are heavily invested by big investors.
There shall not be a differentiation between any clubs. EUFA was making conference league to facilitating the club that placed at the bottom to be able to compete to get low tier trophy in european league competition. It's also helping the club to participate in the higher level of UEFA competitions. I think that you shall see that from another perspective. you shall not only focus on the commercial purpose from conference league.

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In the champions league, Real Madrid got 14 titles so far which is much more than other teams, the second team on the list is Ac Milan they got only 7 titles and they have a long way ahead to reach Real Madrid we know the Champions League is the first priority for Real Madrid and they even sometimes save some players from La Liga to have better performance in this tournament which is more important for them.
Even in the next Champions League because of the better players and potential they have, Real Madrid can have much chance to compared to other teams. Even Manchester City with Guardiola while there in their good from will have problems against Real Madrid.

https://www.uefa.com/uefachampionsleague/history/rankings/

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Quote from: Queentoshi on June 19, 2023, 08:49:22 AM

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Barcelona play well but not on the same level with the other teams that have been identified as teams that can win the champions league next season . They have a good team that has just been rebuilt, but they are not yet as strong as the Barcelona of before. If Barcelona is not in a tough group and can somehow avoid the very tough teams known for eliminating big teams, they can go far in the competition next season. But if they find themselves in a tough group, they will be eliminated. They are a strong team, but there are stronger teams currently.

I would also say that, but I think Barcelona has moved up a level compared to last season. Their defense is improving, the midfielders and strikers have been very good, so I think it's only a matter of time. If Barcelona is supported by good financial conditions, then I'm sure Xavi can build a stronger team. Xavi needs a good left wingger instead of rotating Dembele and Raphinha in those two positions, but if Ansu Fati and Ferran Torres do well then that will also help a lot.

Xavi still needs many of players to establish his performance in midfield and attack, but financial problems have so far prevented the realization of those plans. But after all Barcelona can still compete with the current composition of the team, but it is difficult to achieve great success in Europe.

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Quote from: skarais on June 19, 2023, 08:02:35 AM

I know Xavi failed to get Barcelona out of the Champions League group stage last season, but I think Barcelona have improved a lot since then. Barcelona is clearly expected to qualify for a higher phase in the Champions League next season, but obviously it would be a shame if Barcelona ended up in the hell group like last season.

Barcelona play well but not on the same level with the other teams that have been identified as teams that can win the champions league next season . They have a good team that has just been rebuilt, but they are not yet as strong as the Barcelona of before. If Barcelona is not in a tough group and can somehow avoid the very tough teams known for eliminating big teams, they can go far in the competition next season. But if they find themselves in a tough group, they will be eliminated. They are a strong team, but there are stronger teams currently.

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Quote from: BitcoinAccepted on June 18, 2023, 04:05:54 PM

I personally think that the Europa League should be the only tournament together with the Champions League. The appointment of the Conference League should not have taken place, but I also understand that it is a commercial thing. All a lot of turnover for the football association, and in this way very small teams also get the chance to participate in a European round. But the difference in the prize money between all 3 tournaments is of course bizarrely high.

Now the rules are good enough with the many tournaments that are presented so that small teams with seemingly ordinary strengths can get motivation to develop because they have seen the opportunity to play in better tournaments. So it would have been better if the Europa League and Champions League were separated because now there are a lot of great teams in both tournaments so that makes the increase in attendance even better in both.

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I think it will take time for xavi to bring Barcelona back strong in the Champions league. Last season Barcelona was eliminated in the grub phase and this season we hope Xavi can bring Barcelona further forward in the Champions League. I think one of the best strengths that Xavi has this season is their success in winning the Laliga which makes them more confident for next season in the Champions League. Xavi is not full of experience in the Champions League yet, but I see that he has quite the same character as Pep and it's just that he needs time and a long process to bring Barcelona back to become the strongest team in the Champions League.

I know Xavi failed to get Barcelona out of the Champions League group stage last season, but I think Barcelona have improved a lot since then. Barcelona is clearly expected to qualify for a higher phase in the Champions League next season, but obviously it would be a shame if Barcelona ended up in the hell group like last season.

Barcelona have become a stronger team in the last two seasons, so Xavi has hopes of bringing success to his team in the Champions League. I'm not thinking about a title for Barcelona in the Champions League yet, but they could be a good contender for next season's Champions League.

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