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December 11, 2023, 10:28:45 AM
MU can get one from those options as long as it will be winning against bayern. That will be far better rather than do nothing.
I know, They still have a chance, but they have to face Bayern Munich, I'm not sure MU can win. That's why I say if MU maybe not even get UEL spot.

Milan and Newcastle United are both going home, I'm predicting they won't be able to qualify. But shit looks like, Newcastle United would be accepted and qualify for the Europa League Competition.

The defeat against Atalanta in Serie-A, might affect AC Milan confidence. I personally expected Milan to win the match, unfortunately Milan had to play with 10 players, and lose. In the match against Newcastle, there will definitely be pressure on the Milan players, because 3 points is a must, to take Milan to the UEL. Of course this is very difficult with Milan's current condition, maybe there will be a miracle that will bring Milan to qualify for the UEL, although maybe there will be no hope for Milan to reach the final.
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December 11, 2023, 10:28:34 AM
Arsenal just lost in the domestic league against a team that is quite the favorite in the title race this season and I am quite worried that it will affect their performance in this week's champions league match against PSV. Even though the result is clear that Arsenal and PSV will qualify together for the round of 16, it is certainly quite difficult to place a bet to determine the outcome.

Will it be an Arsenal win or will they just play casually against PSV. It's quite difficult for me to review the results of the match later and maybe I won't bet from the start of the match and see first the flow of their game later.
I fear Arsenal will not too serious to facing this match because currently they were collect 12 points from 5 matches and Arsenal has 4 difference points above to PSV so whatever result they get today whether it's a loss or a win will not affect to their final position at the end of the group stages even because this match is not so important anymore for Arsenal so i assume Arteta will played some of Arsenal reserved players this because Arsenal has important match in Premier League

Especially after last week Arsenal lose from Aston Villa so they have important match against Brighton for next weekend so they will give their priority to that match and for PSV too if i am not mistaken draw result is enough for them to secured 2nd place and make them to qualified to round of 16 and it is very possible to do so and in my opinion there is no pressure in this match because whether it Arsenal or PSV have already in the comfortable position
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December 11, 2023, 10:28:29 AM
Manchester United have just suffered defeat in the league when facing Bournemouth and the good news is the condition of Bayern Munich is also not good when they travel to Old Trafford because it has just been slaughtered by Frankfurt in a shame, so the morals of the players of the two teams are not in good condition, but Manchester United is more benefited because Play in the cage itself.

Manchester United really benefited in this match. But Munich really came without any burden. United have a lot of pressure because they must win this match while Bayern only need to play for the sixth match in the group stage. They have 100% qualified for the next round as first place. So I think Bayern will benefit more because they can play without any pressure.
We just need to ignore Manchester United's chances of qualifying from the group phase, because being able to win against Bayern Munich is still not enough to get them to be ranked second in Group A, their fate is still determined by the results of other matches, so we assume they have failed in the Champions League and the most realistic target for Manchester United is to win the match to qualify for the European League play-off round because the Galasataray vs Copenhagen match has a high chance of ending with one of the teams winning the match instead of a draw, and also with a heavy defeat against Bournemouth it might be the mentality of Manchester United's players was even worse because of another defeat at Old Trafford and from a team that could be said to be below them in quality.
Since the draw against Galatasaray at that time, I have lost confidence that it will be very difficult for MU to qualify for the next round because Bayern Munich not a club that can be taken lightly and also Bayern Munich will not let MU beat them because Munich current goal is to be undefeated and MU hopes of a draw are very slim.
There no chance for the club coached by Erik Ten Hag except to hope that they can improve their performance to get the best position in  Premier League, but there they are still inconsistent and sometimes perform very badly.
I'm just imagining that if there is a surprise that MU can beat Bayern Munich, wouldn't it be MU luck this season to be able to continue the match in the European league and I'm just imagining this.

@Strongkored I also think that is going to be a wise idea. Because in the chances of Manchester United qualifying for the next stage are almost zero. A team cannot expect so much luck to be in their favor. Especially when they are so inconsistent. And the situation in the team is also not good. Players are feeling bad in the team. The decisions that are being taken by the coach are also not very good. The situation in the team is a mess right now. Just so people can relate, Harry Maguire is the best player right now at Manchester United. So imagine what the performance is from other players right now.
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December 11, 2023, 10:13:29 AM
Tomorrow the Champion League will soon be held as well as the determination for some teams that can still have a chance to qualify, especially for the tough group, group F.

Newcastle were slaughtered twice in this Premier League match as an away game where they seemed to have no guts when visiting people's homes but in the champions league this is a determinant for the Magpies if they win as hosts who will host AC Milan tomorrow night, this also depends on how the Dortmund vs PSG match, I hope Dortmund surprises and Newcastle wins at home then this is a big miracle for them.

I always believe home games are always different, they have the confidence in front of their fans that they should be able to win because Milan are still said to be almost equal to Newcastle.

Milan and Newcastle United are both going home, I'm predicting they won't be able to qualify. But shit looks like, Newcastle United would be accepted and qualify for the Europa League Competition.
Borrussia Dortmund and Parisians are most likely to qualify. They have not been so consistent but have good number of points to do that.
The pressure should be on Luis Enrique and Parisians they fail to win and could see themselves going him inna shameful way.

For Manchester United, they would be at him, the coach has already pleaded with the club and the fans to give them good support tomorrow night to qualify. There could be a sense of magic between Galatasaray and Copenhagen.
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December 11, 2023, 10:07:37 AM
Manchester United still has a chance to secure a ticket to the Europa League, the condition is that they must be able to beat Bayern Munich and hope that Copenhagen can beat Galatasaray or vice versa. The last match which will be held at Old Trafford must be used as momentum for Manchester United to achieve victory so they can qualify for the Europa League, but if the other match ends in a draw, then Manchester United will qualify for the round of 16. For Manchester United, this match is very important, while Bayern Munich will not be too motivated to chase victory because they are certain to qualify as group winners.

Bayern Munich have already secured their place in the next round. That's why they played bad football and got a bad result against Copenhagen in their last match. Actually, we can say that they didn't care too much about that game. They can do the same against Manchester United. It's their last game in the group, so maybe they don't care about this game. Manchester United have more chances to win this game than the first game they played before. There is that possibility, but I would say that Manchester United don't give me confidence in their last games. It's an interesting group and open to surprises. Any result will be normal for me.
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December 11, 2023, 10:07:19 AM
Tomorrow the Champion League will soon be held as well as the determination for some teams that can still have a chance to qualify, especially for the tough group, group F.

Newcastle were slaughtered twice in this Premier League match as an away game where they seemed to have no guts when visiting people's homes but in the champions league this is a determinant for the Magpies if they win as hosts who will host AC Milan tomorrow night, this also depends on how the Dortmund vs PSG match, I hope Dortmund surprises and Newcastle wins at home then this is a big miracle for them.

I always believe home games are always different, they have the confidence in front of their fans that they should be able to win because Milan are still said to be almost equal to Newcastle.

I can't even wait for the match in the group A and F. I meant there are so many clubs will be determining their future from the results of upcoming matches. There will be thousands of fans from the varioous clubs will be obviously watching the game soon. I hope everything will be going well.
Galatasaray has become the most potential club to be qualified for the next round. Based on the current situation, it appears that Copenhagen may not have the strength necessary to prevent Galatasaray from advancing to the knock-out stage.
Manchester United must secure a victory in order to anticipate a draw result from Galatasaray. The upcoming matches are very hard to predict. The match between Galatasaray and Copenhagen has attracted the attention of several parties.

There are some scenarios that may be happening for both of groups.

Group A

Copenhagen/Galatasaray Win = end for MU even though MU will take three points from bayern

Copenhagen/Galatasaray Draw = Mu can qualify as long as it will take three points from bayern

Mu lose or draw against bayern = Mu is finished

Group F

PSG lose or draw = Milan/newcastle can qualify

PSG win = Milan/newcastle will be out or go to the europa league.

The last match day is going to be the hyped moment for all of fans from those clubs that were involving in the competitions for the last chance.
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December 11, 2023, 10:06:18 AM
However the Manchester United team is still aiming to win in the last match against Bayern to be able to qualify for the round of 16. In fact, in the know-out round it will be very difficult for Manchester United because the brand team's performance is very bad, but I'm sure no team will be pessimistic.
Manchester United so far have not found their best performance but they also still have a chance to qualify for the round of 16 even though it is a little difficult because they are still hoping for the result of the match between Galatasaray and Copenhagen.
It's a miracle if Manchester United can qualify for the quarter final round, hard to believe for me. Imagine you've play so good and beat Bayern Munich for many goals, but the other match Galatasaray vs Copenhagen, which ever the team is win by only scoring one goal, it makes all the effort spend completely useless.

If we being objective, Copenhagen will be qualified.
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December 11, 2023, 09:58:11 AM
Tomorrow the Champion League will soon be held as well as the determination for some teams that can still have a chance to qualify, especially for the tough group, group F.

Newcastle were slaughtered twice in this Premier League match as an away game where they seemed to have no guts when visiting people's homes but in the champions league this is a determinant for the Magpies if they win as hosts who will host AC Milan tomorrow night, this also depends on how the Dortmund vs PSG match, I hope Dortmund surprises and Newcastle wins at home then this is a big miracle for them.

I always believe home games are always different, they have the confidence in front of their fans that they should be able to win because Milan are still said to be almost equal to Newcastle.
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December 11, 2023, 09:58:04 AM
I agree that failure to qualify for the round of 16 or into the Europa League would be the end for Ten Hag. United need different leadership, someone who is smart and more charismatic to create a warmer dressing room environment without any bickering.
Whilst i agree that Erik Ten Hag would be fired sooner or later, i don't think he'd be sacked during the season, maybe at the end of the season. The hierarchy at United would know that sacking Ten Hag mid season wouldn't really help the team, but it would completely flatten the team, and they'll not even have enough time to find the right manager.

Ten Hag has been so poor in handling the dressing room, he has a problem with player management and i don't even know what his footballing philosophies are, he is an average manager at best and he'd prolly go in the summer.
Regarding the possible departure date of Ten Hag, I agree with you. If United were to let him go, it seems more likely that it would be towards the end of the current campaign. I think there's more going on at United than just the manager. Players seem to have more power than the manager, which is a broader cultural issue. Examine previous managers - many of them were excellent - they still had difficulties. It goes beyond Ten Hag's alleged shortcomings. The club as a whole requires a culture change where the manager's authority is unquestionable. In regards to Jadon Sancho's circumstances, I believe they are an exception rather than the rule. Although the management demonstrated some fortitude in that incident, it was insufficient to alter the general dynamic. To genuinely rewrite the power dynamics, the team needs more of these stands

Since leading Man Utd in the summer of 2022, Ten Hag has brought in most of the players who have worked with him or played in the Dutch league that he is familiar with, such as Antony, Tyrell Malacia, Christian Eriksen, Lisandro Martinez, Wout Weghorst, Marcel Sabitzer, Mason Mount or Andre Onana. Having eliminated Ronaldo, Ten Hag boldly took the second step and pushed David de Gea out of Old Trafford. It is a monument here. Next, the name Jadon Sancho was removed from the main squad. And last season's central player, Marcus Rashford, was also put on the bench.
What strategy is Ten Hag using? It's hard to understand. He considered himself a strict person. But I see him being stubborn and refusing to admit his mistakes. You know, replacing him is necessary, but who is the right person to shoulder this responsibility now?
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December 11, 2023, 09:56:47 AM
Manchester United homed match cannot be completely superior. Manchester United home match is sometime disappointing, like a few day ago against Bournemouth, even being humiliated by a landslide scored while Bayern Munich has only experienced 1 defeat in the Bundesliga and in Champions League Bayern has not yet experienced a defeated, I thinks Bayern Munich will not continue their bad record in the next matches.
Manchester United is a popular club in the Premier League but their performance is not satisfying the fans at all. Manchester United failed in either the Champions League or the English Premier League. I don't see any possibility of Manchester United that this team can do well in Champions League or Premier League. To do well in either the Premier League or the Champions League, they will need to make significant changes to the game, which they have not been able to do yet. The next Champions League match is against Bayern Munich and that match will be played at Manchester United's home ground. I would definitely favor Bayern Munich to win even if Manchester United have some home ground advantage and even if they don't win by a big margin I believe Bayern Munich can get 3 points against Manchester United.

Manchester United's performance is very poor right now. Qualifying for the round of 16 is more damaging for Manchester United. Manchester United should now focus only on the Premier League. and stabilizing their performance. Despite qualifying for the round of 16, United are unlikely to win any knockout round matches. Ten Hag might have enough time to stabilize his squad if Manchester United don't have a BC schedule. The chances of players getting injured will also decrease. Manchester United's performance is likely to stabilize.
However the Manchester United team is still aiming to win in the last match against Bayern to be able to qualify for the round of 16. In fact, in the know-out round it will be very difficult for Manchester United because the brand team's performance is very bad, but I'm sure no team will be pessimistic.
Manchester United so far have not found their best performance but they also still have a chance to qualify for the round of 16 even though it is a little difficult because they are still hoping for the result of the match between Galatasaray and Copenhagen.
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December 11, 2023, 09:56:21 AM
Arsenal just lost in the domestic league against a team that is quite the favorite in the title race this season and I am quite worried that it will affect their performance in this week's champions league match against PSV. Even though the result is clear that Arsenal and PSV will qualify together for the round of 16, it is certainly quite difficult to place a bet to determine the outcome.

Will it be an Arsenal win or will they just play casually against PSV. It's quite difficult for me to review the results of the match later and maybe I won't bet from the start of the match and see first the flow of their game later.

This match is important for neither Arsenal nor PSV. Both teams have already qualified for the knockout round. As Arsenal have qualified for the knockout round, they will not give full effort to win against PSV. Even if they lose this match, Arsenal will remain at the top of the table. And so I wouldn't be surprised if the Arsenal coach rests key players in his squad for this match. And Arsenal are likely to play their second tier squad in this match.

Arsenal are now more worried about the Premier League matches. After the match against PSV, Arsenal will face Brighton, Liverpool and West Ham respectively in the Premier League. The three strongest teams in the Premier League. And Arsenal need to win against all three teams if they want to stay at the top of the table. That's why I'd say Arsenal's chances of winning against PSV are slim and they'll probably rest their key players in this match.
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December 11, 2023, 09:47:24 AM
Even if Manchester United win against Bayern Munich, it is not enough for them to go next. Another condition is a match between Copenhagen and Galatasaray won't have a winner. They need that match to end as a draw so I see having both conditions to happen is so slim.

IMO, it's a good way to read opportunity statistics. If Manchester United wins, then Manchester United needs to wait for the results of the FC Kobenhavn vs Galatasaray match. Waiting for the results of other teams' matches or hoping for other teams' results is really unpleasant for any team.

Manchester United hopes that if they can get three points in the last match against Bayern Munich, then the FC Kobenhavn vs Galatasaray match will be a draw so that Manchester United can qualify with 7 points because FC Kobenhavn and Galatasaray were only able to collect 6 points.
One of them (FC Kobenhavn and Galatasaray) will try to win. This is where I am not at all sure that Manchester United will not have any difficulty hoping to qualify even if they win at Old Trafford.
Absolutely you are right. Manchester United chance of qualifying from the group is very low. I don't see Copenhagen and Galatasary playing draw. The same way Manchester United wants to qualify is the same way one of those teams wants to qualify. I honestly think that Manchester United Champions league campaign this season has come to an end.
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December 11, 2023, 09:33:19 AM
Even if Manchester United win against Bayern Munich, it is not enough for them to go next. Another condition is a match between Copenhagen and Galatasaray won't have a winner. They need that match to end as a draw so I see having both conditions to happen is so slim.

IMO, it's a good way to read opportunity statistics. If Manchester United wins, then Manchester United needs to wait for the results of the FC Kobenhavn vs Galatasaray match. Waiting for the results of other teams' matches or hoping for other teams' results is really unpleasant for any team.

Manchester United hopes that if they can get three points in the last match against Bayern Munich, then the FC Kobenhavn vs Galatasaray match will be a draw so that Manchester United can qualify with 7 points because FC Kobenhavn and Galatasaray were only able to collect 6 points.
One of them (FC Kobenhavn and Galatasaray) will try to win. This is where I am not at all sure that Manchester United will not have any difficulty hoping to qualify even if they win at Old Trafford.
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December 11, 2023, 09:30:13 AM
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Although currently Bayern also had quite bad match results in the Bundesliga because they lost 5-1 to Eintracht Frankfurt. But still I still believe Bayern is still stronger than Man United. And yes, it will even be very difficult for Man United to get tickets to the European League at this time. Because Man United has to beat Bayern if they want to get a ticket to the European League. And it would be very lucky for Man United if Copenhagen could only get a draw against Galatasaray. Because it will make Man United qualify for the round of 16. But if Man United loses then Man United will also fail to get a European League ticket. Even if Copenhagen and Galatasaray get a draw it would still be bad news for Man United if they lose to Bayern. So the only chance for Man United is to beat Bayern.

I just hope you realise that Bayern Munich are in a better position than Manchester United. Manchester United's performance is not currently okay, and it's obvious. Bayern Munich's last game doesn’t mean there will be a chance for Manchester United to win. Bayern have been doing well for a while, so losing a game doesn’t mean Manchester United will win. Therefore, I still think Bayern Munich will win because they play better than Manchester United currently. Although I cannot directly say that they will win, when you look at their performance, you will know that Bayern Munich is in better shape than Manchester United.

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But the scenario that could happen is that Bayern don't play to their maximum strength and don't play much of their core players. So Man United can have a chance to win.

I don’t think they will leave their key players and use the players they normally use since the game will be against a big team. They will use their main players in order to secure some goals; they won’t use players that are not doing much better, and you can see that we all know how Manchester United are looking for a win to qualify for round 16, which will make Bayern Munich use their key players to avoid losing.
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December 11, 2023, 09:29:02 AM
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Manchester United's performance is very poor right now. Qualifying for the round of 16 is more damaging for Manchester United. Manchester United should now focus only on the Premier League. and stabilizing their performance. Despite qualifying for the round of 16, United are unlikely to win any knockout round matches. Ten Hag might have enough time to stabilize his squad if Manchester United don't have a BC schedule. The chances of players getting injured will also decrease. Manchester United's performance is likely to stabilize.
Qualifying for the round of 16 is an achievement worth money, it's not just about how good they are to qualify for the quarter-finals. There are prizes worth money for each level that can be achieved by a so-and-so has been explained in the Champions League format. So every team that plays in the Champions League will not only compete for the title, but they will also compete for prizes.

Manchester United's chance to qualify for the round of 16 is still there and I will not ignore that. It's still better to qualify for the round of 16 and fail to make it to the quarter-finals than to go down to the Europa League but fail in the playoff.
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December 11, 2023, 09:27:59 AM
I think Manchester United should learn more from their failures and make sure to recover quickly so they can catch up in the domestic league, because even qualifying for the next round in the UCL won't have a good impact if in the end they fail and don't reach the final. , Manchester United is still not quite ready for this season.
Manchester United will leave the competition tomorrow in my opinion unless Bayern Munich didn't take that match seriously and played with substitutes which they wasn't used to do. Bayern Munich always play seriously even when the game won't add anything to them. Both Manchester United and Bayern Munich suffered bad results lately and at the opposite of Manchester United, Bayern Munich will try to punish the first team they will meet after the humiliating defeat they got in Bundesliga.
Galatasaray and Copenhagen match will be played in Netherlands but odds seem to be in favour of Galatasaray, slightly at least.
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December 11, 2023, 09:26:18 AM
Arsenal just lost in the domestic league against a team that is quite the favorite in the title race this season and I am quite worried that it will affect their performance in this week's champions league match against PSV. Even though the result is clear that Arsenal and PSV will qualify together for the round of 16, it is certainly quite difficult to place a bet to determine the outcome.

Will it be an Arsenal win or will they just play casually against PSV. It's quite difficult for me to review the results of the match later and maybe I won't bet from the start of the match and see first the flow of their game later.
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December 11, 2023, 09:19:13 AM
Even if Manchester United win against Bayern Munich, it is not enough for them to go next. Another condition is a match between Copenhagen and Galatasaray won't have a winner. They need that match to end as a draw so I see having both conditions to happen is so slim.
Yes, even though in the previous meeting Galatasaray vs Copenhagen got a draw, that doesn't mean they will end in a draw when Galatasaray will play at home to Copenhagen later, so this is something that is difficult and in my opinion, Manchester United doesn't need to expect it to be able to qualify because they are worried if Failing that would be disappointing in the end, Ten Hag may have failed to produce his best results in the UCL this season, but he may still have time to improve in the domestic league.

I think Manchester United should learn more from their failures and make sure to recover quickly so they can catch up in the domestic league, because even qualifying for the next round in the UCL won't have a good impact if in the end they fail and don't reach the final. , Manchester United is still not quite ready for this season.
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December 11, 2023, 09:06:48 AM
Manchester United's performance is very poor right now. Qualifying for the round of 16 is more damaging for Manchester United. Manchester United should now focus only on the Premier League. and stabilizing their performance. Despite qualifying for the round of 16, United are unlikely to win any knockout round matches. Ten Hag might have enough time to stabilize his squad if Manchester United don't have a BC schedule. The chances of players getting injured will also decrease. Manchester United's performance is likely to stabilize.

Yeah, United's performance was really messy. Plus, all the problems they face are in United's camp. This team is in an unpleasant phase for both the supporters and the coach and the club. However, to qualify for the last 16 phase is very important for them. not because it will only harm them, but more about existence and prestige. If United can get through the problems they are facing. That's why Ten Hag will do his best for his squad in the match against Bayern Munich. they will perform with all their abilities, plus a mental test for the team as a whole. After all, it is not certain that United will qualify for the round of 16. in fact, their chances are very slim.

So, I'm interested in trying to find some references regarding the lineup of the two teams later. From some of my searches, it seems that Tuchel will play his starting eleven, although the accuracy cannot be confirmed. However, based on the odds provided by the bookies, there is not too much change. So, this match is still gray for me. Even if United wins against Bayern, if in another match between Copenhagen vs Galatasaray one of them wins the match. so, United remained eliminated. but at least, they have a ticket to the Europa League plyoff round. So, let's just wait, because the Champions League group stage competition will be held in the next few days.
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December 11, 2023, 09:05:03 AM
It seems like a lot of people agree that if Erik Ten Hag was fired from coaching and I also think the same, Erik Ten Hag is not a suitable manager for Manchester United. The management should have known about Erik Ten Hag's performance so far so they don't continue to keep bad coaches like Ten Hag.
There are still many games left if Manchester United doesn't immediately change coaches then Manchester United will continue to decline and I believe the decision to fire Ten Hag is a decision that must be taken now before it is too late.
Firing Ten Hag means they will have to pay compensation fee to another coach and before Ten Hag, they did it with other coaches, Moyes, Van Gal, Mourinho, Solskajer, Ragnick but all those coach sacks did not help them to gain their strength back.

From actual results, it is logical to say they have more problems at other positions and a coach position is not the only one they must fix. I really believe that Manchester United must sacrifice some seasons, restart all things with very young players and they must forget about titles in some seasons. They can use Ten Hag or a new coach but I would like to see Ten Hag in Old Trafford but many players will have to leave.

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Let's see if after Mancester United suffered defeat with Bayern Munich whether United management will immediately fire Ten Hag there is no other reason to maintain his poor performance.
Even if Manchester United win against Bayern Munich, it is not enough for them to go next. Another condition is a match between Copenhagen and Galatasaray won't have a winner. They need that match to end as a draw so I see having both conditions to happen is so slim.
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