UEFA Champions League 2024/25 Season - page 17.

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Quote from: Frankolala on November 08, 2024, 12:51:23 PM

I don't think that Bayern Munich this season is targeting to win the champions league, because you must put your team in the best form first for them to be capable of winning UCL, and Kompany is still working on that. Kompany is bdought to bring back their domestic league back to Allianz Arena first before thinking of winning champions league, because it is not as easy as you think to win UCL.

To be honest, I don't agree with your opinion about Bayern Munich's main target this season. Bayern Munich is a team that is always the favorite in the Champions League regardless of who the coach is, so it would not be right if they would only focus on the Bundesliga first before placing their focus on the Champions League. All the top teams target the Champions League title as their main target in Europe, so I think the same thing applies to Bayern Munich, who is being coached by Kompany this season.

I might agree with your opinion if Kompany coached a team like Leipzig or another mid-table team. Even with Dortmund or Leverkusen, Kompany will make the Champions League title the biggest target in his plans this season.

Agree with you. Bayern Munich is a team that every season is one of the favorites to win the Champions League so it is very unlikely that Bayern Munich will only focus on the domestic league. Whoever the Bayern Munich coach is later, the Champions League is their target every year, especially now that Bayern Munich is very strong in the domestic league, of course this is an opportunity for Kompany to immediately improve their performance in the Champions League which has recently been slumping.

The next match Bayern Munich will face PSG, of course mentally Bayern Munich is very strong to win this match compared to PSG, although PSG is trained by an experienced coach, don't be mistaken Kompany is also a smart coach, he can combine the playing patterns of Gardiola and Nagelsman at Bayern Munich. He masters the tactics of opening space, does not rely on just one player and is smart in rotating pressing. The Champions League is still very long, Kompany has the potential to provide a surprise in the Champions League, he just needs time to prove it because in terms of material Bayern Munich has quality players.

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Quote from: salad daging on November 08, 2024, 03:56:38 PM

It is likely that Barcelona will enter the top 5 because they have a slick game with Hans Flick as their coach, not to mention scoring more goals so the goal productivity is great for Barcelona.
Moreover, Barcelona against Brest played at home so it could be a good victory again, I know how Brest currently looks strong because it hasn't lost yet but seeing Barcelona's current performance that can beat Madrid and Bayern they become feared.

When it comes to Barcelona anything I see I believe because the way they are so determined to win anything makes it interesting, because their is a lot of kings in town in different leagues and for la liga is Barcelona and for champions league they are also pressing forward to see if they will be able to win, and don't be surprised to see them winning because any club they catch they lash they must even find a way of winning the club. Flick is one of the best things that have happened to Barcelona this season and even with how unsure people are towards him his doing very, and anyone can boost that Barcelona is the best in Spanish league now even if I love Madrid.

And if it's is about Barcelona beating Madrid they have done it a countless times jokes but they can still
Do it again, Real Madrid have found their self in an unfortunate situation, and that is why they are finding it hard to push foward in what ever league thay it might be and they have really fallen and we did not expect all this to happen this way because when mbappe was coming in his purpose was to improve the life style of the club and look at how is contribution have turn out.

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Quote from: salad daging on November 08, 2024, 03:56:38 PM

It is likely that Barcelona will enter the top 5 because they have a slick game with Hans Flick as their coach, not to mention scoring more goals so the goal productivity is great for Barcelona.
Moreover, Barcelona against Brest played at home so it could be a good victory again, I know how Brest currently looks strong because it hasn't lost yet but seeing Barcelona's current performance that can beat Madrid and Bayern they become feared.

When it comes to Barcelona anything I see I believe because the way they are so determined to win anything makes it interesting, because their is a lot of kings in town in different leagues and for la liga is Barcelona and for champions league they are also pressing forward to see if they will be able to win, and don't be surprised to see them winning because any club they catch they lash they must even find a way of winning the club. Flick is one of the best things that have happened to Barcelona this season and even with how unsure people are towards him his doing very, and anyone can boost that Barcelona is the best in Spanish league now even if I love Madrid.

And if it's is about Barcelona beating Madrid they have done it a countless times jokes but they can still
Do it again, Real Madrid have found their self in an unfortunate situation, and that is why they are finding it hard to push foward in what ever league thay it might be and they have really fallen and we did not expect all this to happen this way because when mbappe was coming in his purpose was to improve the life style of the club and look at how is contribution have turn out.

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Quote from: TastyChillySauce00 on November 08, 2024, 12:13:45 PM

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When we are talking about Barcelona's chances to win the title, their chance are low. I said that based on the latest UCL odds. Liverpool still leads to be the most favorite club to win the title, and Barcelona is still at the 6th place.

Barcelona is very productive in the UCL, eventhough they are not in the top 5 for outright odds. This shows Barcelona shall have tried harder to win the title. But, the odds can change based on the UCL results each week.

You are misinterpreting the data you published. Odds of 6.50 mean a greater chance than odds of 7.0 Barcelona are now literally the third favourite for the title:

Manchester City - 4.50

Real Madrid - 5.50

Barcelona Fc - 6.50

Liverpool - 7.00

Arsenal - 10.00

Fc Bayern Munich - 10.00

And in fact, 6.5 is not much different from 4.5 - the main favorite and 5.5 - the main winner of the Champions League.
Taking into account the decline of the main favorites, I see that the quotes have become much more even.

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It is likely that Barcelona will enter the top 5 because they have a slick game with Hans Flick as their coach, not to mention scoring more goals so the goal productivity is great for Barcelona.
Moreover, Barcelona against Brest played at home so it could be a good victory again, I know how Brest currently looks strong because it hasn't lost yet but seeing Barcelona's current performance that can beat Madrid and Bayern they become feared.

Brest is so far unbeaten in its last 4 matches in the Champions League against Sturm Graz, Salzburg, Leverkusen and Sparta Prague. But when they play Barcelona, then things could be different and Brest will likely suffer their first defeat. Brest's good performance so far cannot be separated from its relatively easy opponents, but considering that Barcelona is one of the favorites, Brest can't expect too much.

Brest's first defeat in the Champions League can be expected against Barcelona, but I think underestimating a red-hot Brest would be a mistake. Barcelona's performance so far has been very good, but anything can still happen even though Barcelona is actually the favorite to win.

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Quote from: hyudien on November 08, 2024, 03:34:15 PM

Quote from: TastyChillySauce00 on November 08, 2024, 12:13:45 PM

When we are talking about Barcelona's chances to win the title, their chance are low. I said that based on the latest UCL odds. Liverpool still leads to be the most favorite club to win the title, and Barcelona is still at the 6th place.

Barcelona is very productive in the UCL, eventhough they are not in the top 5 for outright odds. This shows Barcelona shall have tried harder to win the title. But, the odds can change based on the UCL results each week.

There are still 4 matches left to be played and I am optimistic that Barcelona has a chance to be in the top 5 in the next 2 matches. As long as Hansi Flick continues to maintain the consistency of his players, there is no reason for Barcelona to decline. Barcelona 5th match will host Brest and in terms of quality if they are able to beat them, it will provide an additional higher chance. Brest has not experienced a defeat but if you look at the opponents who have been defeated, their strength level is below standard then I am sure that Blaugrana is still favored.

It is likely that Barcelona will enter the top 5 because they have a slick game with Hans Flick as their coach, not to mention scoring more goals so the goal productivity is great for Barcelona.
Moreover, Barcelona against Brest played at home so it could be a good victory again, I know how Brest currently looks strong because it hasn't lost yet but seeing Barcelona's current performance that can beat Madrid and Bayern they become feared.

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Yesterday match of Bayern vs Benfica team, Bayern team won the match by scoring 1 goal. Benfica team could not score any goal in this match. Benfica team players tried hard to score but could not score any goal. However, Benfica team could have drawn this match. The performance of the Bayern team players was really good for which Benfica team could not score any goals in this match.

An embarrassing result for Bayern Munich in my opinion, they dominated the match & had everything there, but all they could get was a goal scored by Jamal Musiala. Only conceding 1 goal is an achievement for Benfica, because they should have conceded more than 3 goals looking at the match statistics.

It looks like the Champions League is still a difficult match for Bayern Munich, because when Bayern Munich plays against a team that has good quality too, Bayern Munich has difficulty getting a victory with a large score despite playing at the Allianz Arena. Only in the first match of the Champions League Bayern Munich managed to win with a huge score of 9-2 but only played against Zagreb, and after that Bayern Munich really struggled to win despite having good dominance. Thus, the Champions League still does not seem to be a major target for Bayern Munich to get the trophy, because only playing against Aston Villa and against Benfica in fact Bayern Munich is difficult to win.

I don't think that Bayern Munich this season is targeting to win the champions league, because you must put your team in the best form first for them to be capable of winning UCL, and Kompany is still working on that. Kompany is bdought to bring back their domestic league back to Allianz Arena first before thinking of winning champions league, because it is not as easy as you think to win UCL.

I agree on this, even if though Bayern may try to go further in this Champions league, their possibility of winning it is very less and instead of them making too much of a haste to get there and fall out from their domestic league only makes them losing on both sides. Kompany already has done some brilliant job, at least there is 99% assurance following their recent performance that they are the ones to win the Bundesliga this time.

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Quote from: irhact on November 08, 2024, 03:35:47 PM

It has to be an issue as they need to win against the tougher team too for them to show strong will to be competing for the title. Just winning smaller clubs won't win you the champions league. Winning against weaker teams will make you feel to relaxed and when you face stronger teams, it becomes hard for you to win. Arsenal can win inter Milan when they have their full squad in shape, Arsenal hasn't had a break since as they haven't been in form for some games now therefore that was the cause of the lost against Inter Milan. Unfortunately there's no return leg as if there was, I think arsenal would have payback to inter milan for the lost that they got.

I also thought as much, Arsenal lose because the squad is not in good shape due to injuries which has caused the team’s inconsistency, and despite the injuries, they maintain to some level, but Inter Milan is a big team which is why they won against Arsenal.
If you watch the match, Arsenal had the chance to win the game, but they couldn’t use the chances they created because they really dominated the game, but it has happened and Arsenal lost the game through a penalty goal.

Inter Milan had moved to the fifth position after defeating Arsenal, they have good team that can compete for the competition because we can see how big teams are flopping in the Champions League this season. However, all teams will just try their effort to see if they can win the competition because Madrid and Manchester City that we are expecting to win the Champions League are not doing well in the Champions league this season.

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Quote from: savetheFORUM on November 08, 2024, 01:22:59 PM

Inter is a great team, losing to them doesn't really mean much and I believe we are going to see Inter win plenty of games, it is not really a shocking result that they lost this, we should be used to this and not be really that much shocked at all. I believe the best thing to do would be just focusing on how to get better results for Arsenal against weaker teams. If Arsenal could get wins against weaker teams, then losing to Inter level teams is not an issue.

It has to be an issue as they need to win against the tougher team too for them to show strong will to be competing for the title. Just winning smaller clubs won't win you the champions league. Winning against weaker teams will make you feel to relaxed and when you face stronger teams, it becomes hard for you to win. Arsenal can win inter Milan when they have their full squad in shape, Arsenal hasn't had a break since as they haven't been in form for some games now therefore that was the cause of the lost against Inter Milan. Unfortunately there's no return leg as if there was, I think arsenal would have payback to inter milan for the lost that they got.

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Quote from: Frankolala on November 08, 2024, 12:51:23 PM

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I don't think that Bayern Munich this season is targeting to win the champions league, because you must put your team in the best form first for them to be capable of winning UCL, and Kompany is still working on that. Kompany is bdought to bring back their domestic league back to Allianz Arena first before thinking of winning champions league, because it is not as easy as you think to win UCL.

To be honest, I don't agree with your opinion about Bayern Munich's main target this season. Bayern Munich is a team that is always the favorite in the Champions League regardless of who the coach is, so it would not be right if they would only focus on the Bundesliga first before placing their focus on the Champions League. All the top teams target the Champions League title as their main target in Europe, so I think the same thing applies to Bayern Munich, who is being coached by Kompany this season.

I might agree with your opinion if Kompany coached a team like Leipzig or another mid-table team. Even with Dortmund or Leverkusen, Kompany will make the Champions League title the biggest target in his plans this season.

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Quote from: TastyChillySauce00 on November 08, 2024, 12:13:45 PM

When we are talking about Barcelona's chances to win the title, their chance are low. I said that based on the latest UCL odds. Liverpool still leads to be the most favorite club to win the title, and Barcelona is still at the 6th place.

Barcelona is very productive in the UCL, eventhough they are not in the top 5 for outright odds. This shows Barcelona shall have tried harder to win the title. But, the odds can change based on the UCL results each week.

There are still 4 matches left to be played and I am optimistic that Barcelona has a chance to be in the top 5 in the next 2 matches. As long as Hansi Flick continues to maintain the consistency of his players, there is no reason for Barcelona to decline. Barcelona 5th match will host Brest and in terms of quality if they are able to beat them, it will provide an additional higher chance. Brest has not experienced a defeat but if you look at the opponents who have been defeated, their strength level is below standard then I am sure that Blaugrana is still favored.

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Considering the financial capacity of PSG, which I think is higher than that of Atletico, Aston Villa and Brugge combined, the result for PSG is very bad and in the end they risk not getting out of the group at all, because PSG could win only the very first match against Girona.

It seems that the strongest club in Ligue 1 will have difficulty qualifying for the next stage in the UCL. Because currently PSG has even been shifted from the play-off zone. And PSG must succeed in getting full points in the next match if they want to return to the play-off zone. A team as big as PSG should not have difficulties like this. Because I see that in Ligue 1 PSG is not even defeated at the moment. But at UCL they seem to be different. It is as if the mentality of their players is not as strong as when playing in the domestic league. I think PSG was much better last season when they were still coached by Tuchel for the Champions League. But in Ligue 1 the current PSG coach is very good. It's just that the UCL doesn't seem so good.

One reason why PSG has not been able to replicate their domestic form in the Champions League this season might be the different level of competition and intensity in European matches. Teams in the Champions League play with greater defensive organization and counter-attacking precision, which has sometimes disrupted PSG's rhythm. This gap suggests that PSG’s new coach might need to adapt his tactics specifically for European competition.

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Quote from: Pokapoka124 on November 08, 2024, 03:14:25 PM

I don’t think Arsenal will be able to win their Premier League clash against Chelsea if they play the way they did against Inter Milan. Arsenal has been inconsistent this season and is also dealing with injury crisis, this has greatly affected their momentum in all competitions. This fixture promises to be a tough encounter for Arsenal, and given Chelsea’s recent form and home advantage, this match could very well end in Chelsea’s favour.

In the match against Inter Milan, Arsenal team lost despite performing well. Arsenal players dominated the match. Arsenal players were also able to attack a lot. A total of probably 20 shots were taken by Arsenal players. But Arsenal players could not score a single goal. Arsenal have conceded 5 goals and scored two goals in their last three matches in the Premier League.

Chelsea are in their best form at the moment. And this is why most people think Arsenal will lose their next match against Chelsea as well. Since Arsenal's overall situation is now unstbale. And Chelsea's players are in great form. So I also consider Chelsea as favorite in this match.

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With the way Bayern barely ended up winning the benfica game, it feels like people are not really understanding how much of a big trouble they are in. Obviously they are not looking terrible, but they are not looking like the Bayern they used to be and that is the most important part.

I believe the best way for them to move forward would be just making sure they are changing the coach. I get that Kompany was a test and they wanted to see if they can find a good young coach that will make them better, but a manager position at such a high club is not something to be tested. Now, because of what they did, they are in trouble and while surely a win is a win, it's also more than that and Benfica shouldn't have been such a big deal for them.

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Arterta is a good coach and his pattern is working for him, is just that you shouldn't expect to win all the time or the players should be in their peak form all the time. Inter has a good defense, and if not for that penalty, the match would have ended in a draw. I was expecting Inter to score more goals but they couldn't, because Arsenal didn't allow them. Arsenal is passing through hard times currently, and they will definitely overcome it soon. If you look at Arsenal in the past two seasons, there is always a period that they will face difficulties, I think this is it.

Arsenal are going through tough times, a common problem for Arsenal, although after the match Arteta said that he was happy with how the team played and he thinks that if they play like that in the next match against Chelsea, they can win. They need a win because they have not been able to win in the Premier League for three matches in a row, and if they lose points in the match against Chelsea, it will only complicate their situation, which cannot be allowed because Liverpool are already ahead of them by 7 points.

Agreed, if Arsenal play against Chelsea on matchday 11 and play like they did against Inter, I am optimistic Arsenal will win. And in the Champions League match between Arsenal and Inter last night, Arsenal played very well and it is only natural that Mikel Arteta is happy even though they lost at Inter's home with a score of 1-0 because Arsenal showed a good game. And statistically Arsenal is superior overall %63 ball possession 20 shots 4 on target, and far when compared to Inter. And Inter's 1 penalty goal was luck, and they have also never conceded a goal throughout the Champions League this season.

I don’t think Arsenal will be able to win their Premier League clash against Chelsea if they play the way they did against Inter Milan. Arsenal has been inconsistent this season and is also dealing with injury crisis, this has greatly affected their momentum in all competitions. This fixture promises to be a tough encounter for Arsenal, and given Chelsea’s recent form and home advantage, this match could very well end in Chelsea’s favour.

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Quote from: hahay on November 08, 2024, 11:35:44 AM

It looks like the Champions League is still a difficult match for Bayern Munich, because when Bayern Munich plays against a team that has good quality too, Bayern Munich has difficulty getting a victory with a large score despite playing at the Allianz Arena. Only in the first match of the Champions League Bayern Munich managed to win with a huge score of 9-2 but only played against Zagreb, and after that Bayern Munich really struggled to win despite having good dominance. Thus, the Champions League still does not seem to be a major target for Bayern Munich to get the trophy, because only playing against Aston Villa and against Benfica in fact Bayern Munich is difficult to win.

This season is a little different with Bayern's journey compared to the previous season because after all, looking at what happened and 2 defeats in 4 matches it is very inversely proportional to what they have always done in the group stage in the previous few seasons. However, this seems to be the case not only for Bayern but also for Madrid because both clubs seem to lose control of the league phase when they should be able to compete better than this.

This is certainly a difficult situation because after all even though their chances of qualifying are still very strong but when in the remaining 4 matches it looks like they must be able to get all the wins if they really want to be in a decent position let alone qualify directly without play offs because after all this is a thing that must be considered. They are a big club with a busy schedule so when they are on the play off route to qualify for the round of 16 it will indirectly make them think harder with more and more matches.

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PSG biggest dream will be to win at least 1 champions league title, they've won the league title many times so I do agree about the main focus on UCL but even with the main focus, they still haven't even proof any sign of qualification for it ... When there was even enough resources they couldn't still make it happen, imagine having Messi, Neymar,Mbappe,Ramos, Hkimi, marquinhos, Veratti ,Kimpembe.... and still couldn't make use of the resource to archive a sole purpose of bringing such starts together Tongue

. Though I don't know the squad depth when Enrique started but as at the moment the squad is not a squad that can win Champions league

I really agree with your assumption, when they have better squad depth than now but can't win it, then they will never be able to win it with the current squad. The depth of the squad under Luis Enrique is not very good, of course they don't seem like the typical players who have a strong mentality to compete closely with other top European teams from various leagues.

This season PSG don't look like potential Champions League contenders and I tend to agree that PSG won't make it far into the knockout stages. Even if they pass from this phase, then I think PSG will only reach the quarter-finals instead of the semifinals or final.

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Quote from: legendbtc on November 08, 2024, 07:21:02 AM

Climbing to the top of the Premier League table when Arsenal and Man City are still classy, Chelsea and Aston Villa are still convincing is not easy for Liverpool but they did it. Continuously winning in all competitions, Arne Slot's Liverpool is showing destructive power and consistency in all lines. Under Slot, Liverpool seems to have completely transformed. Players who lost form at the end of last season have been reborn.
Now it's time to see how long they can keep this up. One of the biggest challenges for Arne Slot and his students is the UEFA Champions League. As the new format increases the number of matches, Liverpool also has to put in more effort to plow through. Maintaining this form until the end of the season is too difficult for Liverpool.

Liverpool is at the top of UCL and also EPL at the moment, and that is after making a managerial change as well. This should be taught to every owner/president of a club to show them how a proper change should happen. There are dozens of teams out there who keep changing their managers and keep finding worse once and they keep changing again and again and hope that finally one day they will find someone decent. Look at Liverpool, they had Klopp, who made them win EPL and UCL before, and now they have Arne Slot, and they are doing awesome with him too.

It's still early of course, I mean I am not saying Liverpool will win premier league or champions league, we still don't know and anything could happen, but at the same time we can say that they are doing fine, we shouldn't really be worried about it neither. I believe the best we can do right now would be just wait and watch and see how they do, but at the moment I would say they have what it takes in the end.

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Actually i didn't expect some of the results i saw in the champions league this mid week, the overturning of victory happening in the way we least expected is something i didn't expect, having bigger and experienced teams loosing to smaller and almost not experienced champions league teams. Madrid and Arsenal were the worse as i least expected they were going to loose at all a draw would have been a fair consideration but a loss got me wondering as it wasn't expected at all. Barcelona's consistency is such that is deserving of every applaud as they look very promising this season.

Arsenal didn't play badly, they were good enough and maybe they were just unlucky in the match. They will accept the result. But for Madrid, well we are now seeing how other teams finally know how to beat the team that dominates the UCL. Seeing that Milan were not really the favorites in the match, but beyond all predictions it really surprised us.
Anyway, we have to accept it even though we have to lose the bet and maybe not accept or not believe the result. Football always gives surprises, no team is truly invincible.

I think every team has its strengths and weaknesses but Arsenal had too many mistakes due to which they could not improve themselves again. But if they play with good thinking from now on, I have every hope that they will rise again. But for that, they will have to follow the same path that led them to the top.Whatever they have done, nothing is easy with hard work. They worked hard and supported each other which made them strong favorites and their style of play.The current situation is really surprise because strong teams have become weak and weak teams have become strong which makes it difficult to bet.

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Quote from: Velvet78 on November 06, 2024, 01:43:01 PM

I like this new format more and more as we have the chance to watch more quality games compared to the previous year. I think the most awaited match for every football fan is Inter-Arsenal today. Arsenal got only 1 point in the last 3 matches in the Premier League. Therefore, I expect Arsenal to react in this game.

As I expected, Arsenal showed its best recent performance but still ended up losing. What Arsenal needs most is a striker of Haaland's quality. I'm sure Arteta is interested in signing Viktor Gyökeres from Sporting Lisbon.

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