UEFA Champions League 2024/25 Season - page 59.

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Quote from: Palakka on November 30, 2024, 10:34:41 AM

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Atalanta will be a huge problem for Real Mardid.
As the things stays today Atalanta can easly face any team in the Champions League and have an opportunity to win.

I'm not crazy as today Atalanta can be one of the favorite for the final win.

In 5 months anything can change but TODAY they are not inferior to anyone.

Madrid have a big challenge to get out of the difficult conditions at the moment, the defeat to Liverpool and also Lille has made Madrid currently down in the UCL and I think it will be difficult for them to get up and qualify for the last 16 later, the next game they will be against Atalanta and I think it will be another difficult game for Madrid to get points.

Not only that, Madrid also suffered a defeat against Ac Milan so Madrid has recorded three defeats from the five matches they have played so far and against Atalanta is a tough challenge for Madrid next if they lose again then I have lost hope for Madrid this season in the UCL and if their journey does not reach the last sixteen they might return to focus on La Liga to win the title there.

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Atalanta are currently in second place in the Serie A standings and their striker Mateo Retegui is on fire because he is the top scorer in Serie A. After the shocking defeat from AC Milan I think Atalanta have a greater chance of winning the match. They are in fifth place in the UCL standings and are almost certain to advance to the next round. Of course they are motivated to win the match after getting defeated in the European Super Cup. Real Madrid are in a bad situation because some of their players are injured. Éder Militão is certain not to play this season. And that has given a big gap in their defense. It seems that it will be difficult for Real Madrid to defend the UCL title this season.

Atalanta's condition is better than AC Milan in Serie A as proven by their consistency so far, if Milan was able to beat Real Madrid before at the Santiago Bernabéu stadium, Atalanta should also be able to beat Real Madrid because Real Madrid's condition is not as strong as last season, actually the chances are 50/50 I can't say Real Madrid might lose because Ancelotti will definitely try hard so that his club does not experience continuous defeat because this match will also determine whether or not Real Madrid advances to the next round.

We can say that the match will be a life and death match for Madrid, after the negative results they got in the last two matches, it is clear that they must beat atalanta to keep their chances of qualification, but at this time Atalanta is showing consistent performance in Serie A and also the champions league, so they have the potential to provide strong resistance to Madrid later, so far, Madrid has a better head to head than atalanta, however, Madrid with the current conditions and performance of course they are doubtful to win over atalanta, I personally predict that atalanta will be able to win the match or at least later win a draw if maybe Madrid plays impressively.

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Quote from: Frankolala on December 02, 2024, 03:18:52 AM

I hope that Ancelotti tries his best not to be defeated on that day because I don't see Madrid having a strong defense which will make it easy for Lookman to breakthrough with a counter attack. Also Atalanta has a solid defense, and it will be very difficult for Madrid to penetrate, because Vini will not be on that match and Mbappe is still struggling to pick form. Rodri just came back from injury and hasn't been able to be on his best form making it very difficult for Madrid to have hope with this match.

Real Madrid mightn't be in good form but they're picking up form slowly as they have been playing better in their games. Atalanta are a strong team but they haven't won real madrid before. Real Madrid is still going to win them but it won't be an easy match. The goals aren't going to be much as Atalanta have very good defence. Atalanta isn't a big team when it comes to the champions league but Real Madrid are and they'll be using that as a reason to play well in this game. Don't worry about Vinicius Junior not playing well in the league tournament as he's going to turn up in the champions league when the match gets played.

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Quote from: rahmad2nd on December 01, 2024, 01:19:59 PM

IMO, not only in defense but also in midfield after Kroos retired, while Modric's performance is not like when he was still in his prime.

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For me the midfield is not worrying because there is still Bellingham who is ready to replace Kroos and the player's performance is also very good and can contribute perfectly. And regarding Modric, I agree that he is no longer like his glory days because age greatly affects his physical performance. However, whatever your concerns about Madrid midfield, it is actually not the main problem but the defense line that Ancelotti must prioritize. So in the next match Ancelotti only needs to stay focused on finding ways to strengthen Madrid defense and maintain the strategy in the attack line. In this way a draw or win is a definite result.

The injury free Real Madrid team is very scary and the injury free Real Madrid team has great defenders as well as great midfielders and great finishers but their biggest problem is their injuries. Three of the team's key defenders, who are regulars in the playing XI and have contributed immensely in every match for Real Madrid, are sidelined with injuries and this opportunity is being taken advantage of by the opposition. As long as Real Madrid's injury problem is not resolved, this weakness will remain in Real Madrid's defense.

There is probably nothing new to say about how strong an injury-free Real Madrid is and how well an injury-free Real Madrid defender, midfielder and striker perform against the opposition. But it makes one wonder why despite being such a reputed and strong team, they have been weakened so much by injuries to a few players. They need more top defenders, midfielders and strikers, so that even if some players get injured, their team is not weakened. Real Madrid has been greatly weakened by injuries which has made many football teams fight and win against them very easily.

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We have nothing to say about Bellingham's performance as this midfielder plays a great role in the attacking midfield as well as in the defensive midfield position. While he wasn't the best finisher at Real Madrid, the midfielder played in a striking position and scored regularly, so there's no questioning his ability. But now we only have to wait for those players who have played in this regular XI but are now injured.

Yes Jude Bellingham is considered one of the best players in Real Madrid at the moment. Jude Bellingham has performed brilliantly in all matches for Real Madrid.

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Quote from: TelolettOm on December 01, 2024, 06:43:03 PM

He still has a great ability but he no longer has good fitness. I am not sure that Modric can play in the next 2-3 years. I guess he will consider to retire in the next 1-2 years. After Kroos left Real Madrid, Ancelotti only has Modric as an experienced midfielder. Modric has a crucial role because he is the only person who has a good creativity and he has amazing accuracy in delivering assists.

Modric may look for but not for the long term, literally it's no news he's aging already and we know how much of an effect that can have on him in his football career, it may even make him not be as efficient as the team may want him to be even if he has not been of a really poor performance so far. For someone who's going to look at retirement in the next 2-3 years I think that would be a reason they should begin scouting a replacement from elsewhere, but in the meantime he's contributions to the team is undoubtedly important and ofcourse very helpful to Madrid.

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Quote from: Frankolala on December 02, 2024, 03:18:52 AM

I hope that Ancelotti tries his best not to be defeated on that day because I don't see Madrid having a strong defense which will make it easy for Lookman to breakthrough with a counter attack. Also Atalanta has a solid defense, and it will be very difficult for Madrid to penetrate, because Vini will not be on that match and Mbappe is still struggling to pick form. Rodri just came back from injury and hasn't been able to be on his best form making it very difficult for Madrid to have hope with this match.

If atalanta tries to play a defensive game which I think they will do because they can easily attack at any time and they are on form, then it will be a little bit hard for Realmadrid to penetrate through to have a goal for themselves... this is the only way I think Realmadrid can win if they don't play m9re of defensive games ...besides, their defence I'd strong, now imagine them playing extra Cheesy

. Realmadrid are full of surprises on the other hand but it will be a hard game for them , atlanta at the moment is ready to take over Barcelona and Dortmund if they make any mistake.

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Quote from: len01 on December 01, 2024, 02:09:05 PM

Quote from: rahmad2nd on December 01, 2024, 01:19:59 PM

IMO, not only in defense but also in midfield after Kroos retired, while Modric's performance is not like when he was still in his prime.

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For me the midfield is not worrying because there is still Bellingham who is ready to replace Kroos and the player's performance is also very good and can contribute perfectly. And regarding Modric, I agree that he is no longer like his glory days because age greatly affects his physical performance. However, whatever your concerns about Madrid midfield, it is actually not the main problem but the defense line that Ancelotti must prioritize. So in the next match Ancelotti only needs to stay focused on finding ways to strengthen Madrid defense and maintain the strategy in the attack line. In this way a draw or win is a definite result.

The injury free Real Madrid team is very scary and the injury free Real Madrid team has great defenders as well as great midfielders and great finishers but their biggest problem is their injuries. Three of the team's key defenders, who are regulars in the playing XI and have contributed immensely in every match for Real Madrid, are sidelined with injuries and this opportunity is being taken advantage of by the opposition. As long as Real Madrid's injury problem is not resolved, this weakness will remain in Real Madrid's defense. We have nothing to say about Bellingham's performance as this midfielder plays a great role in the attacking midfield as well as in the defensive midfield position. While he wasn't the best finisher at Real Madrid, the midfielder played in a striking position and scored regularly, so there's no questioning his ability. But now we only have to wait for those players who have played in this regular XI but are now injured.

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Quote from: tusandii on December 01, 2024, 11:53:55 PM

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Atalanta are currently in second place in the Serie A standings and their striker Mateo Retegui is on fire because he is the top scorer in Serie A. After the shocking defeat from AC Milan I think Atalanta have a greater chance of winning the match. They are in fifth place in the UCL standings and are almost certain to advance to the next round. Of course they are motivated to win the match after getting defeated in the European Super Cup. Real Madrid are in a bad situation because some of their players are injured. Éder Militão is certain not to play this season. And that has given a big gap in their defense. It seems that it will be difficult for Real Madrid to defend the UCL title this season.

Atalanta's condition is better than AC Milan in Serie A as proven by their consistency so far, if Milan was able to beat Real Madrid before at the Santiago Bernabéu stadium, Atalanta should also be able to beat Real Madrid because Real Madrid's condition is not as strong as last season, actually the chances are 50/50 I can't say Real Madrid might lose because Ancelotti will definitely try hard so that his club does not experience continuous defeat because this match will also determine whether or not Real Madrid advances to the next round.

I hope that Ancelotti tries his best not to be defeated on that day because I don't see Madrid having a strong defense which will make it easy for Lookman to breakthrough with a counter attack. Also Atalanta has a solid defense, and it will be very difficult for Madrid to penetrate, because Vini will not be on that match and Mbappe is still struggling to pick form. Rodri just came back from injury and hasn't been able to be on his best form making it very difficult for Madrid to have hope with this match.

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Quote from: len01 on December 01, 2024, 02:09:05 PM

Quote from: rahmad2nd on December 01, 2024, 01:19:59 PM

IMO, not only in defense but also in midfield after Kroos retired, while Modric's performance is not like when he was still in his prime.

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For me the midfield is not worrying because there is still Bellingham who is ready to replace Kroos and the player's performance is also very good and can contribute perfectly. And regarding Modric, I agree that he is no longer like his glory days because age greatly affects his physical performance. However, whatever your concerns about Madrid midfield, it is actually not the main problem but the defense line that Ancelotti must prioritize. So in the next match Ancelotti only needs to stay focused on finding ways to strengthen Madrid defense and maintain the strategy in the attack line. In this way a draw or win is a definite result.

No player in the team can replace Kroos now because none of them plays the way he does, Bellingham is trying his best and is good player but he plays differently from Kroos and doesn’t have much creativity as Toni Kroos. Modric on the other hand is not at his best and he could probably play well when Kroos is playing alongside him, Kroos does lots of work for Real Madrid and most people are just realizing it now. Real Madrid doesn’t have much problem with the defense line of all the injured players are available the only problem i see is the chemistry between the midfield and attack, there is no creative midfielder in their midst so adding a creative midfielder and a natural striker will help them alot since it seems Mbappe prefers to play from the wing. Mbappe seems to have lost some of his confidence but adding this two players would help him alot. Madrid don’t have to settle for a draw if all injured defenders are available.

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Quote from: Hanadawa on December 01, 2024, 07:50:44 AM

Atalanta are currently in second place in the Serie A standings and their striker Mateo Retegui is on fire because he is the top scorer in Serie A. After the shocking defeat from AC Milan I think Atalanta have a greater chance of winning the match. They are in fifth place in the UCL standings and are almost certain to advance to the next round. Of course they are motivated to win the match after getting defeated in the European Super Cup. Real Madrid are in a bad situation because some of their players are injured. Éder Militão is certain not to play this season. And that has given a big gap in their defense. It seems that it will be difficult for Real Madrid to defend the UCL title this season.

Atalanta's condition is better than AC Milan in Serie A as proven by their consistency so far, if Milan was able to beat Real Madrid before at the Santiago Bernabéu stadium, Atalanta should also be able to beat Real Madrid because Real Madrid's condition is not as strong as last season, actually the chances are 50/50 I can't say Real Madrid might lose because Ancelotti will definitely try hard so that his club does not experience continuous defeat because this match will also determine whether or not Real Madrid advances to the next round.

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Quote from: mammusu on November 30, 2024, 04:32:08 AM

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After the defeat from Liverpool it is clear that at the moment Madrid has a difficult situation in the Champions League , so indeed if Madrid lose the next match against Atalanta of course it will be Madrid worst performance in recent seasons due to early exit from champions league , at the moment Ancelotti has this situation which is very challenging and if he cannot take Madrid through to the next round of course it will be a stain on his career, They are currently in 24th position which is the last position to qualify for the playoffs, so I think even to survive and qualify for the play-off zone will be difficult for them if they lose to Atalanta later, the change in the format of the Champions League is really a nightmare for them at the moment.

Now let see how Real Madrid finishes the 3 match, what they have to do is just get points from each match and stay in the play-off zone, it would be very unfunny and embarrassing if Real Madrid failed and had to be eliminated early when they were still in the standings.
But I quite curious about Liverpool for now, they win 5 in 5 match and continue to be able to perform consistently with good stability, if it continues maybe we can see the UCL champion this season being won by team from the Premier League, haha that would definitely be very impressive if it really happened.

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Quote from: Docnaster on December 01, 2024, 04:51:38 PM

I understand that Luka Modric is no longer in his prime but he's proven that he still energetic to produce world class performances whenever he's called upon. Real Madrid's struggles this season I don't think is caused by the departure of Toni Kroos but because the players that are supposed to replace the former Germany international have been sidelined through injury on different occasions this season.
If not for Carlo Ancelotti's expertise, Real Madrid would've had more bad results that they've experienced this season. But I think the team will soon bounce back to their best once again

He still has a great ability but he no longer has good fitness. I am not sure that Modric can play in the next 2-3 years. I guess he will consider to retire in the next 1-2 years. After Kroos left Real Madrid, Ancelotti only has Modric as an experienced midfielder. Modric has a crucial role because he is the only person who has a good creativity and he has amazing accuracy in delivering assists.

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Yes yes I know, Real Madrid has made the impossible suddenly possible out of nowhere so many times in the Champions League against the best teams in the world that one goal can change so much for them. But I have to say that the team they have available now is not quite the team they had available when they did these crazy turnarounds. But still at 1-1 you don't want to run into a counter attack with Mbappe waiting for it to be finished. Liverpool would have been more careful, but after he missed the penalty, they could just play their game.

Liverpool's biggest advantage is that they caught Real Madrid with many missing players. Many of their players are injured. If they weren't injured so much, maybe Real Madrid could beat them. Their main players couldn't play, the most effective of which is Vinicius Junior. His absence was felt a lot. Mbappé couldn't attack and organize the attack in the same way.

This can be argued about back and forth but when I think back to the game that Barcelona played against Real Madrid in Bernabeu, I think Real Madrid had all players available right? And Real Madrid lost that game against Barcelona 0-4. I think that Barcelona is not on the same level as Liverpool is right now and Liverpool has just beaten Manchester City and didn't give them a chance at all, which I find quite an impressive performance.

Thats why blaming it on missing players only would fall short of the true circumstances. I am not arguing against it though that missing players that are key to their game is a big deal, it is not the whole story. Liverpool is above most other clubs now and only very few can keep up with them. But things can change quickly and Manchester City might be on top of things again while Liverpool runs into some problems.

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Are we talking about the odds that bookmakers provide or are we talking about our personal opinions? Considering how these two teams have been playing, if somebody asked me whether I put my money on Atalanta or on Real Madrid if I had to, I would without a doubt go with Atalanta. It is a home game in Bergamo for them, Real Madrid has to leave half their team at home because of injuries, Mbappe isn't performing and they are out of alternatives. No question for me, Atalanta is the slight favorite in this game.

Atalanta are not as strong as Liverpool, so I still think they will share the points with Real Madrid. I don’t mean to belittle Atalanta impressive record in the Champions League this season, and I don’t want to ignore the half-dozen injuries to Ancelotti key players, but I am trying to see Real Madrid as a team with a number of quality rotation options. Atalanta failed to score against Arsenal and Celtic, which is something to consider. Besides, Ancelotti is no stranger to the Serie A side, and he has plenty of experience of facing them. When Real Madrid are under pressure, they can almost always turn things around, especially in the Champions League.

This is what you would intuitively believe about Atalanta, but I remember it was the same when last season Bayer Leverkusen came with a perfect record to take on Atalanta in the Europa League final and I still know how nobody thought that Atalanta could have a chance against them. But it was quite the contrary and Atalanta made Bayer Leverkusen look very small instead and beat them with a clean sheet. The most stupid thing that Liverpool could ever do if they play against each other is to think the same of Atalanta as everyone did last season as I described. You can still lose although you are superior in the public opinion and with the shape that Atalanta now is in, they can beat every team in Europe.

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Quote from: Palakka on December 01, 2024, 10:11:37 AM

Against Atalanta will be crucial match for Madrid for their chances of qualifying for the next round, but the Atalanta that Madrid will face later will not be the Atalanta they defeated in the European Super Cup at the beginning of last season considering their very good performance at the moment, Although they has lost scamacca due to injury but Retegui managed to take on the role of spearhead of Atalanta with his sharp, Madrid, who are currently being hit by injuries, must try their best in the match, because after all, the defeat from Atalanta will only make them even worse in the UCL, 3 points must be obtained by Madrid if they really want to keep their chances of qualifying this season to the next round although it may be very difficult.

Even by the statistics on this picture above, I have some good levels of confidence in Atlanta they they are going to be a very tough contender to Madrid and may want to win because they appear to be in a much better form than Madrid is currently. Madrid currently has got some major injury hits than Atlanta so their strength isn't as solid as it were before now hence I wouldn't be surprised to see them win or see them draw against Madrid in this game but even with all of this Madrid is still the favorite to many.

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Quote from: len01 on December 01, 2024, 02:09:05 PM

Quote from: rahmad2nd on December 01, 2024, 01:19:59 PM

IMO, not only in defense but also in midfield after Kroos retired, while Modric's performance is not like when he was still in his prime.

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For me the midfield is not worrying because there is still Bellingham who is ready to replace Kroos and the player's performance is also very good and can contribute perfectly. And regarding Modric, I agree that he is no longer like his glory days because age greatly affects his physical performance. However, whatever your concerns about Madrid midfield, it is actually not the main problem but the defense line that Ancelotti must prioritize. So in the next match Ancelotti only needs to stay focused on finding ways to strengthen Madrid defense and maintain the strategy in the attack line. In this way a draw or win is a definite result.

The main reason why Real Madrid still keep Modric is to maintain the depth of the game and than maintaining the transition in midfield. The impact of Kroos departure is very much felt, it is difficult to find a midfielder of his caliber, and I think Modric role is more than just a rotation option in Ancelotti game plan. This is most likely his last season at the club, and due to age, we may see the Croatian retire next season, following in the footsteps of Kroos.

Real Madrid decline in performance is not due to a lack of balance in midfield, but purely due to injuries. Ancelotti has had a hard time experimenting with determining his starting XI, because the rotation options he has are decreasing with the increasing number of injured players. If all the players are available, Real Madrid will be able to perform according to expectations, and can even help Mbappe adapt quickly in the front line. However, I personally think Ancelotti can lead his team to full points in the next match against Atalanta and secure their chances of qualifying for the last 16.

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Quote from: Docnaster on December 01, 2024, 04:51:38 PM

I understand that Luka Modric is no longer in his prime but he's proven that he still energetic to produce world class performances whenever he's called upon. Real Madrid's struggles this season I don't think is caused by the departure of Toni Kroos but because the players that are supposed to replace the former Germany international have been sidelined through injury on different occasions this season.
If not for Carlo Ancelotti's expertise, Real Madrid would've had more bad results that they've experienced this season. But I think the team will soon bounce back to their best once again

I don't support the decision to keep him at the club, it might be very important to help coach other young midfielder but there are quality midfielders that have age on their side that Luka modric still being in the club is going to prevent Real Madrid from going to hire them and this might make them to miss out on these talents. Jude Bellingham is there to take over if given the full power as the power house of the midfield but he can't do it alone as he needs other top midfielders too therefore Real Madrid has to let go of all their old players and make room for new and younger ones, when this is done, that's when we can begin to see the real, Real Madrid.

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Quote from: len01 on December 01, 2024, 02:09:05 PM

For me the midfield is not worrying because there is still Bellingham who is ready to replace Kroos and the player's performance is also very good and can contribute perfectly. And regarding Modric, I agree that he is no longer like his glory days because age greatly affects his physical performance. However, whatever your concerns about Madrid midfield, it is actually not the main problem but the defense line that Ancelotti must prioritize. So in the next match Ancelotti only needs to stay focused on finding ways to strengthen Madrid defense and maintain the strategy in the attack line. In this way a draw or win is a definite result.

Jude Bellingham can’t do it alone, and other midfielders are good but not world class, they are been highly rated just because they are playing for Real Madrid. Luka Modric has played in his prime, he is not more a competent and consistent player a team will rely on, he is a quality and experience midfielder that can change game anytime despite his age, but he doesn’t have the strength to play in his best form which is who he is not a regular starter because the team need fresh blood that can make things work for their team.

On defense issue, Real Madrid actually have defensive problem, but their fans do hype their defenders too much and Ancelotti didn’t sign a world class defender in the transfer window and now the team is suffering defensive inconsistency. If the have another quality midfielder that can be a perfect replacement for Modric and Kroos, the team will be better and they will stop conceding a lot of goals.

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Quote from: len01 on December 01, 2024, 02:09:05 PM

Quote from: rahmad2nd on December 01, 2024, 01:19:59 PM

IMO, not only in defense but also in midfield after Kroos retired, while Modric's performance is not like when he was still in his prime.

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For me the midfield is not worrying because there is still Bellingham who is ready to replace Kroos and the player's performance is also very good and can contribute perfectly. And regarding Modric, I agree that he is no longer like his glory days because age greatly affects his physical performance. However, whatever your concerns about Madrid midfield, it is actually not the main problem but the defense line that Ancelotti must prioritize. So in the next match Ancelotti only needs to stay focused on finding ways to strengthen Madrid defense and maintain the strategy in the attack line. In this way a draw or win is a definite result.

I understand that Luka Modric is no longer in his prime but he's proven that he still energetic to produce world class performances whenever he's called upon. Real Madrid's struggles this season I don't think is caused by the departure of Toni Kroos but because the players that are supposed to replace the former Germany international have been sidelined through injury on different occasions this season.
If not for Carlo Ancelotti's expertise, Real Madrid would've had more bad results that they've experienced this season. But I think the team will soon bounce back to their best once again

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Quote from: mamesso on December 01, 2024, 01:00:26 AM

Real Madrid could win this match, but I think the chances are very small because Atalanta have performed well this season, they have managed to maintain their best performance in two different competitions (Serie A and UCL). Real Madrid biggest problem lies in their defensive area, conceding two goals against Liverpool will probably continue because Atalanta productivity is very good. Ancelotti certainly cannot be calm with the depth of the squad he currently has, facing a team like Atalanta certainly requires a complete squad and Ancelotti cannot field his best squad like when they beat Atalanta in the European Super Cup.

Actually for now they have to force 3 points in the end because however continuous defeats make their position even more difficult especially for now the remaining matches are just a few so against Atalanta of course they have to try as much as possible to be able to get 3 points whatever happens.

At the moment Madrid's position is not favorable and when they lose again or draw clearly this will make the conditions even worse, so inevitably 3 points they must strive for when facing Atalanta later.
Players like Vasquez and Rodrygo are back with Madrid and this will allow Ancelotti to breathe a little easier so in the end even though their problems are still very big, there is a big chance with the experience and mentality they have to get 3 points. But on the other hand in this case they must also remain wary of Atalanta because their attack pattern is quite strong this season.

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