UEFA Champions League 2024/25 Season - page 95.

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Quote from: Plaguedeath on November 22, 2024, 08:47:22 AM

I think if Kross didn't leave yet, Real Madrid would be strong like before, Mbappe will score many goals and people will see Real Madrid as a dream team.

Ancelotti already tried to rotate the players and use different strategies, but he hadn't find the best lineup. There's no more he can do except sign new players, either to boost the current players to play better or get the best lineup.

Until now, no one has been able to replace the quality of Toni Kroos at Real Madrid. As a player who was named the world's best playmaker in 2014, he is indeed one of the star players who is difficult to replace. He plays an important role at Real Madrid and losing Toni Kroos also seems to have its own impact on this team. It is truly a shame that Kroos chose to retire at an age when he is actually not old. But he made that decision because he wanted to retire at the peak of his career. And yes, he reached the top last season with Real Madrid because he won LaLiga and UCL at the same time.

I agree that Ancelotti should also start looking for potential and good players who can add strength to Real Madrid, especially in the midfield and back line. because we see that even Real Madrid's second tier players are currently not capable enough to replace the main players there. Because there is a very clear difference in quality between the main and reserve players.

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Quote from: Zigabel on November 22, 2024, 05:48:27 AM

Quote from: Hirose UK on November 21, 2024, 09:37:55 PM

Bayern Munich has good H2H record against PSG, but for now it is difficult condition to really be sure who will win and of course if Bayern Munich can take advantage of their advantage and win then it is only small score like 1 - 0 or just ends in draw and shares points.
Some big team in the UCL competition are indeed bit disappointing, many bad games and results have occurred for those big team who in the previous season always competed tightly.

PSG happens to be my favorite in this game probably because I just want to see them do well in the champions League and that they have actually put in a whole lot of efforts in the champions League for the longest and I just want them to succeed even if I know Bayern has been doing so well in the champions League so far, it's going to be a really interesting game and i can't wait to see the game.

Bayern Munich became my grip for the match against PSG this time, although as you said that a big team sometimes disappointing in the Champions League is indeed true, but PSG is also considered a big team and I see Bayern Munich far more likely to win for the match that will soon be In the title, from my glasses the depth of the squad possessed by Bayern Munich is better than PSG, and the reasons for the two bands will be carried out at the Allianz Stadium which is a cage of Bayern Munich, from this side Bayern Munich is very beneficial in my opinion.

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Quote from: Jody.Drummer on November 22, 2024, 06:01:15 AM

Regarding the positions of Vini and Mbappe, it is indeed a difficult thing because both are good players but the problem is that they operate in the same position, which means that one of the players must be sacrificed to be rotated and occupy another position. And coincidentally the position needed is a center forward and Mbappe was shifted to center forward and the results have not been very satisfactory. He tried to experiment, but so far what he did has not been very successful. Actually I don't agree if the coach experiments in the middle of the competition, but I can understand that there are not many options for Ancelotti so he has to dare to make decisions, which currently do not look impressive, even tend to be disappointing.

I think if Kross didn't leave yet, Real Madrid would be strong like before, Mbappe will score many goals and people will see Real Madrid as a dream team.

Ancelotti already tried to rotate the players and use different strategies, but he hadn't find the best lineup. There's no more he can do except sign new players, either to boost the current players to play better or get the best lineup.

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Quote from: LUCKMCFLY on November 21, 2024, 06:27:04 PM

I agree with you, for me Ancelotti is one of the best coaches that Madrid has ever had, sometimes I don't quite understand what he wants to do because he comes out with the wrong strategy or formation and he hasn't solved Viní's position with Mbappe either, that's something that needs to be solved soon, I would like them to give more minutes to Arda Guller who is playing very well, however he may have stumbled in some games, like he did with Barcelona, which really was not Madrid's day, even the league gives revenge and next time it must be prepared.

Regarding the positions of Vini and Mbappe, it is indeed a difficult thing because both are good players but the problem is that they operate in the same position, which means that one of the players must be sacrificed to be rotated and occupy another position. And coincidentally the position needed is a center forward and Mbappe was shifted to center forward and the results have not been very satisfactory. He tried to experiment, but so far what he did has not been very successful. Actually I don't agree if the coach experiments in the middle of the competition, but I can understand that there are not many options for Ancelotti so he has to dare to make decisions, which currently do not look impressive, even tend to be disappointing.

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Quote from: Farma on November 22, 2024, 02:00:17 AM

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At the start of the season, we had a lot of criticism about PSG, which also mentioned that since PSG have not formed a very good team this season, we will not see a significant performance from them in the Champions League. But PSG have been able to perform better than we thought so far. Although they have some equations ahead of them going to the next round, I think PSG have had enough time to think about it. The team does not have any notable good players like last season so the fans must be satisfied with the performance of PSG this season. But I would like to see PSG at least until the quarter finals of the Champions League.

It's all because of Mbappe's departure and the PSg team did not bring in a replacement player of the same class as Mbappe.
Now it is proven that PSG is having a hard time competing in the Champions League, they have lost twice out of the 4 matches they have played and only managed to win 1 so I think for this season don't put too high expectations on PSG, especially this season the competition in the Champions League is much fiercer so I am pessimistic that PSg can reach the quarter-finals of the Champions League this season.

are they underperforming just because of mbape? Same mbape that was hyped and at the end is not giving real Madrid the expected result people wished to see and real Madrid is now at the play off stage where there fate in this edition of the champions league is still wevaring? Truth is that this current champions league is very tough with a lot of unexpected result happening. PSG is supposed to perform very well because in some way, mbape is more of a distraction in the team making it look like the team is totally built around him and that without him it's going to be deficult for the team to survive, his absent should increase their moral to try to get good result even though mbape is absent.

Look at the teams that are doing well in the champions league, they don't have a particular player that everything is built around him and that's the main reason why they are doing well. No sense of entitlement that they deserve to get any result, they just give in Thier all and the result comes in the process. It's a bad outing to see that of the four games played, they only managed to win one and lost two with a single draw. Does it mean without mbape on the team they can't bring home a good result?

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Quote from: Hirose UK on November 21, 2024, 09:37:55 PM

Bayern Munich has good H2H record against PSG, but for now it is difficult condition to really be sure who will win and of course if Bayern Munich can take advantage of their advantage and win then it is only small score like 1 - 0 or just ends in draw and shares points.
Some big team in the UCL competition are indeed bit disappointing, many bad games and results have occurred for those big team who in the previous season always competed tightly.

PSG happens to be my favorite in this game probably because I just want to see them do well in the champions League and that they have actually put in a whole lot of efforts in the champions League for the longest and I just want them to succeed even if I know Bayern has been doing so well in the champions League so far, it's going to be a really interesting game and i can't wait to see the game.

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Quote from: Lidger on November 22, 2024, 12:04:06 AM

At the start of the season, we had a lot of criticism about PSG, which also mentioned that since PSG have not formed a very good team this season, we will not see a significant performance from them in the Champions League. But PSG have been able to perform better than we thought so far. Although they have some equations ahead of them going to the next round, I think PSG have had enough time to think about it. The team does not have any notable good players like last season so the fans must be satisfied with the performance of PSG this season. But I would like to see PSG at least until the quarter finals of the Champions League.

Difficult for seeing PSG reach until quarter final round in this season after playing several phase league round and have losses many crucial points, two consecutives loss from Arsenal and Atletico Madrid make PSG have four points only of 12 points must secure but have several difficult four matches left before reaching the top eight standings place. PSG got difficult performing well since leave by Mbappe and new format of UEFA Champion League seems not give advantage how easily reach the knock out round.

Upcoming match, PSG will face Bayern Munich and very difficult opponent how to secure three points and seems not good result if PSG losses another three points behind have to face Manchester City at games week 7. I think PSG must get three points when facing Bayern Munich before talking about possibility will reach the quarter final round or not.

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Quote from: Farma on November 22, 2024, 02:00:17 AM

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At the start of the season, we had a lot of criticism about PSG, which also mentioned that since PSG have not formed a very good team this season, we will not see a significant performance from them in the Champions League. But PSG have been able to perform better than we thought so far. Although they have some equations ahead of them going to the next round, I think PSG have had enough time to think about it. The team does not have any notable good players like last season so the fans must be satisfied with the performance of PSG this season. But I would like to see PSG at least until the quarter finals of the Champions League.

It's all because of Mbappe's departure and the PSg team did not bring in a replacement player of the same class as Mbappe.
Now it is proven that PSG is having a hard time competing in the Champions League, they have lost twice out of the 4 matches they have played and only managed to win 1 so I think for this season don't put too high expectations on PSG, especially this season the competition in the Champions League is much fiercer so I am pessimistic that PSg can reach the quarter-finals of the Champions League this season.

Actually if you look at the current PSG squad they can and are able to compete in the UCL but for some reason they seem to have difficulty when facing a team that on paper PSG should be able to win, maybe because of a lack of mentality or maybe because in the local league they don't get tough competition from other teams so they can't handle the big pressure in the UCL competition. I have seen their schedule in the UCL from the remaining 4 matches that must be played 3 of them they will play away and that is not profitable, I think even if they can qualify for R16 maybe through the play off round but maybe that's the end of their journey, I don't see them being able to advance to the quarter finals PSG doesn't look convincing.

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Quote from: LUCKMCFLY on November 21, 2024, 06:27:04 PM

I agree with you, for me Ancelotti is one of the best coaches that Madrid has ever had, sometimes I don't quite understand what he wants to do because he comes out with the wrong strategy or formation and he hasn't solved Viní's position with Mbappe either, that's something that needs to be solved soon, I would like them to give more minutes to Arda Guller who is playing very well, however he may have stumbled in some games, like he did with Barcelona, which really was not Madrid's day, even the league gives revenge and next time it must be prepared.

At Cap nou right?? I hope so even though that's laliga ... I don't believe in stadium super powers anyways but revenge it is??.
The. best thing he can do is not playing both of them at the same time just that there're no abundant resources to do that at the moment so he has to find a way to make them play together maybe that could even solve future things. Hence,he favourites players sometimes some of his boys are not getting enough playing time, now that he need them how can he know which(not like they are not good though )..

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Quote from: Lidger on November 22, 2024, 12:04:06 AM

At the start of the season, we had a lot of criticism about PSG, which also mentioned that since PSG have not formed a very good team this season, we will not see a significant performance from them in the Champions League. But PSG have been able to perform better than we thought so far. Although they have some equations ahead of them going to the next round, I think PSG have had enough time to think about it. The team does not have any notable good players like last season so the fans must be satisfied with the performance of PSG this season. But I would like to see PSG at least until the quarter finals of the Champions League.

It's all because of Mbappe's departure and the PSg team did not bring in a replacement player of the same class as Mbappe.
Now it is proven that PSG is having a hard time competing in the Champions League, they have lost twice out of the 4 matches they have played and only managed to win 1 so I think for this season don't put too high expectations on PSG, especially this season the competition in the Champions League is much fiercer so I am pessimistic that PSg can reach the quarter-finals of the Champions League this season.

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Quote from: armanda90 on November 21, 2024, 05:45:08 AM

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You are right PSG has struggled in UEFA Champions League lately. They have lost to Arsenal and Atlético Madrid, and tied with PSV. Bayern Munich has stronger team and better winning record giving them an advantage. However PSG still has Kylian Mbappe who can change game. Although Mbappe has not led PSG to Champions League victory he remains threat. This matchup is exciting. Bayern Munich consistency might be too much for PSG but Mbappe could pull off an upset.

In this season, PSG have downtrend performance in UEFA Champion League after playing four matches have defeated 2 matches and 1 being by having four points. Out from the playoff round position make PSG must secure all three points left and facing Bayern Munich become difficult match will easily get three points or not.

PSG have defeated by Arsenal and Atletico Madrid, only one winning match when facing Girona but being draw when facing PSV make difficult position how to break the higher standings place. I don't think easily for PSG to secure the top eighth position standings behind four matches left have to face Bayern Munich, Salzburg, Manchester City and VfB Stuttgart.

At the start of the season, we had a lot of criticism about PSG, which also mentioned that since PSG have not formed a very good team this season, we will not see a significant performance from them in the Champions League. But PSG have been able to perform better than we thought so far. Although they have some equations ahead of them going to the next round, I think PSG have had enough time to think about it. The team does not have any notable good players like last season so the fans must be satisfied with the performance of PSG this season. But I would like to see PSG at least until the quarter finals of the Champions League.

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Quote from: Weawant on November 21, 2024, 05:50:41 PM

Quote from: Palakka on November 21, 2024, 01:26:14 PM

So far when Madrid played in the UCL there was not a single betting market that did not favor Madrid to win, but precisely this season it seems that the betting market has made a fairly detailed calculation of the condition of each both team and they precisely chose Liverpool as favorite the winner in the match later, I think choosing who will win in the match later will be very difficult, Because currently Liverpool has a pretty good performance and consistency, while Madrid who are limping also cannot be doubted because their mentality to rise is very extraordinary all this time, so I personally will still bet on that the match, but prefer to play it safe by choosing the BTTS option and also over goals above 2.5 remember the attack line from the two teams at this time which is quite sharp.

This fixture has really been one that has caused many gamblers really worrying about what the outcome would be so as to influence their predictions but one thing is certain and it's in-between a team winning or they draw, away from that, Is no other results that can be obtained . BTTS is very likely to be a result we hope to see especially if they ever get to draw because I believe it won't be a goalless one .

Choosing BTTS or over 2.5 is very good, but from a bettor's point of view, I would take a big risk on a draw.
Logically it is impossible for Madrid to lose in a row in the UCL while this team is one of the most popular teams in the competition. On the one hand, Madrid has so many star players that it would be very embarrassing if they end up losing.
So with conditions like this, Ancelotti will take the simplest option to not lose points or a draw would be better.
I think anyone who dares to bet $10 on a draw is a true bettor. Cool

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Quote from: mamesso on November 21, 2024, 10:26:38 PM

They were only able to collect 4 points from 4 matches, in the remaining 4 matches they will play 2 games that are difficult to win against Munich and Man City, while the matches against Salzburg and Stuttgart are not certain to get full points. In my opinion, PSG's chances of qualifying depend on the results they achieve in the remaining four matches, if they qualify for the last 16, I'm not sure PSG can compete with other elite clubs.

If we look at PSG's next opponents, I'm not sure they can win the remaining 4 matches, especially when they face strong candidates for the Champions League, namely Bayern Munich and Man City. I think PSG will have difficulty getting 3 full points or getting a draw because Bayern Munich and Man City are ambitious to win all matches in the remaining 4 matches in order to qualify for the last 16 without having to play in the play off round.

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Quote from: Captain Corporate on November 21, 2024, 03:08:29 PM

Too many people here I see saying they do not think PSG will do good, I do not agree at all. I mean of course the possibility of PSG not going far is there, not denying the possibility, they are not by far the best team or anything like that, but I also think that at least a semi-finals could happen depending on who they draw. If they end up drawing the eventual champions at last sixteen or quarter finals, then yeah that's a possibility for them to lose early, but if they draw lucky, then we can see them going all the way to semi finals, I do not see more than 4-5 teams better than PSG, there are only a few, and that means unless they lose like last year, they could go very far this season as well. I at least hope to see them go to finals, it should be very fun to watch that.

You are speculating too much on PSG, let's check the facts on the results achieved in the four matches played and the four remaining matches.

They were only able to collect 4 points from 4 matches, in the remaining 4 matches they will play 2 games that are difficult to win against Munich and Man City, while the matches against Salzburg and Stuttgart are not certain to get full points. In my opinion, PSG's chances of qualifying depend on the results they achieve in the remaining four matches, if they qualify for the last 16, I'm not sure PSG can compete with other elite clubs.

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Quote from: Farma on November 21, 2024, 02:21:15 AM

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Both of them need points in the match considering their positions in the standings are equally unsafe, Bayern Munich has experienced 2 defeats in 4 matches and PSG has experienced 2 defeats and 1 draw from 4 matches if one of them loses I think it will be more difficult to qualify for the last 16, I think maybe PSG will lose in this match from any aspect I think Bayern Munich is superior in terms of performance and experience especially they play as the home team of course will be more favored by bookies.

Maybe the home team factor will affect Bayern Munich, but PSG also cannot be underestimated because if we look at the overall strength of these two teams in the Champions League match, I think it is very balanced and for the match between the two teams later, Bayern Munich and PSG also have the same motivation to be able to win the match, so I think for this match everything is still possible to happen and even if Bayern Munich is more favored, it will not be excessive.

Bayern Munich has good H2H record against PSG, but for now it is difficult condition to really be sure who will win and of course if Bayern Munich can take advantage of their advantage and win then it is only small score like 1 - 0 or just ends in draw and shares points.
Some big team in the UCL competition are indeed bit disappointing, many bad games and results have occurred for those big team who in the previous season always competed tightly.

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Quote from: Cryptoprincess101 on November 21, 2024, 02:52:04 PM

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Liverpool have a more consistent performance than Real Madrid. And if it is a big match I think the chances are 50:50 because both teams are often favorites. But with their current form I think Liverpool are more favored to win this match. Arne Slot can really maintain Liverpool's performance which is even better than the previous season.
But if we talk about UCL I still favor Real Madrid to be the champion this season. Just like the previous season where City were favored to win the UCL but in the end Real Madrid won.

Real Madrid is very shaky in this season's champions league, but Liverpool has maintained consistency from the beginning, and they also have 6 champions league titles which is the highest among other British teams. Since they are playing at Anfield, i believe their fans will chant and cheer them up so i don't see Liverpool losing to Real Madrid in that game. Liverpool will face Manchester city after meeting Madrid in the champions league, they've got two strong games to play. I trust Arne Slot to make use of every advantage he has to win Real Madrid in the Champions league, even if they play draw against Manchester city in the premier league it will be a good result since they are already topping with 5 points.

The thing here is either Real Madrid wins though they are playing at Anfield, if they are able to perform well or will shamefully be trash by Liverpool. Though I will still think with the fact that Real Madrid will win and Liverpool has better chances of winning Manchester City and thereby, having better chance of getting the Epl title which obviously would be much easier for them to win, if they can be consistent and not like last season.

Quote from: Cryptoprincess101 on November 21, 2024, 02:52:04 PM

I don't believe that Real Madrid will get lucky as they were in previous seasons because they are already faced with many players on injuries and their performance has declined greatly, so i see a different team winning the Champions league this season even if it may not be Liverpool.

I hope the same luck Real Madrid had in order to win the Champions league 2 out of 3 this past 3 seasons others might also have it and show it's a luck indeed?
If it was that easy other teams would have done it before.
They have always been doing well in the Champions league and not that they were even having weaker opponents last season in the Champions league for you to say it was luck. All they did was to prove they are the galatico's and I know they will bounce back soon.

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Quote from: Palakka on November 21, 2024, 01:26:14 PM

So far when Madrid played in the UCL there was not a single betting market that did not favor Madrid to win, but precisely this season it seems that the betting market has made a fairly detailed calculation of the condition of each both team and they precisely chose Liverpool as favorite the winner in the match later, I think choosing who will win in the match later will be very difficult, Because currently Liverpool has a pretty good performance and consistency, while Madrid who are limping also cannot be doubted because their mentality to rise is very extraordinary all this time, so I personally will still bet on that the match, but prefer to play it safe by choosing the BTTS option and also over goals above 2.5 remember the attack line from the two teams at this time which is quite sharp.

It makes sense if betting market favors Liverpool to win the upcoming match because of some reasons. Liverpool is in good form, they will play at home, too. It is quite different with Real Madrid, they are not in good form and they will play away. Real Madrid also experiences bad condition in their squad because some key players are injured. This condition surely brings the advantages for Liverpool players. Liverpool chance to win look bigger, so it is normal if betting market believes more in Liverpool.

Anyway, we can't trust the history of previous matches. There are many things changed, Real Madrid has no longer solid squad as the previous seasons. Nowadays, Real Madrid is experiencing the injury problem of many players. Real Madrid also couldn't play optimally after Mbappe joins the team and gets difficulty to adapt with Real Madrid.

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Quote from: blue Snow on November 16, 2024, 09:08:57 PM

Real Madrid should try to get out of the zone to return back to their champions track. They are the defending champions and the most trophy holders so they already have a champion's mentality. I'm not surprised if they are bad at the beginning, and won it at the end, because they've done before it. What they should do now is must be able to move to the next round, so if they can do it, they will step up perfectly until the finals.

And I think this is also Anceloti's strategy, he is a genius man who has tactics that can't understood by another coach. he's even willing to lose so that the strategy can not read by another coach to the next the crucial match.

I agree with you, for me Ancelotti is one of the best coaches that Madrid has ever had, sometimes I don't quite understand what he wants to do because he comes out with the wrong strategy or formation and he hasn't solved Viní's position with Mbappe either, that's something that needs to be solved soon, I would like them to give more minutes to Arda Guller who is playing very well, however he may have stumbled in some games, like he did with Barcelona, which really was not Madrid's day, even the league gives revenge and next time it must be prepared.

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Quote from: Weawant on November 21, 2024, 05:50:41 PM

This fixture has really been one that has caused many gamblers really worrying about what the outcome would be so as to influence their predictions but one thing is certain and it's in-between a team winning or they draw, away from that, Is no other results that can be obtained . BTTS is very likely to be a result we hope to see especially if they ever get to draw because I believe it won't be a goalless one .

I could remember saying here that no matter how bad this Real Madrid situation is they don’t easily get beaten by Liverpool been it at Bernabeu or at Anfield, Madrid are always a force to reckon with. This game might be a very tricky one but the point so dear Real Madrid I think I will be actually going for their own wins

As for both teams to score I thin I will also go for that as a good bet, although Madrid are finding it to win or score goals this season, the champions league is not a stage they are short of finding goals in. Also Liverpool red hot attack lead by Salah is something that will produce goals too, so a BTTs is a good bet

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Quote from: Palakka on November 21, 2024, 01:26:14 PM

So far when Madrid played in the UCL there was not a single betting market that did not favor Madrid to win, but precisely this season it seems that the betting market has made a fairly detailed calculation of the condition of each both team and they precisely chose Liverpool as favorite the winner in the match later, I think choosing who will win in the match later will be very difficult, Because currently Liverpool has a pretty good performance and consistency, while Madrid who are limping also cannot be doubted because their mentality to rise is very extraordinary all this time, so I personally will still bet on that the match, but prefer to play it safe by choosing the BTTS option and also over goals above 2.5 remember the attack line from the two teams at this time which is quite sharp.

This fixture has really been one that has caused many gamblers really worrying about what the outcome would be so as to influence their predictions but one thing is certain and it's in-between a team winning or they draw, away from that, Is no other results that can be obtained . BTTS is very likely to be a result we hope to see especially if they ever get to draw because I believe it won't be a goalless one .

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