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Quote from: Sebas.tian on June 20, 2022, 09:36:24 AM

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Cristiano Ronaldo's leaving Real Madrid didn't affect them too badly at all. Many people expected them to be in a worse condition after he left but Real Madrid still managed to stay strong. They became the champions in the Champions League too. This proves how much awesome team Real Madrid are now. Barcelona didn't experience the same thing after Messi left the team. They struggled a lot for some time and they are newly recovering now. It is really good to see Real Madrid like this because it proves that they aren't dependent on one player.

I agree with you, because Real Madrid players never allowed the team to fail like other teams. I think, Real Madrid managements took their time to invested a huge amount of money on talented strikers like, Cristiano Ronaldo, Benzema and others in case anyone is leaving the team the thing will not affect the team. The reason why Barcelona failed since Messi left the team, is because their managements missed the opportunity to invested a huge amount of money on talented strikers when Messi was there, thinking he will remain with them forever.

Is only someone who does not know what football is all about that will classify Real Madrid wining as cheer luck, I don't think luck can make them win the championship for 8 consecutive times even if luck is on their side it also requires enough preparation and practice.

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Quote from: topman21 on June 20, 2022, 12:19:55 PM

Quote from: Jody.Drummer on June 20, 2022, 05:05:10 AM

Quote from: KTChampions on June 20, 2022, 04:58:21 AM

In my opinion, Messi made a good decision in terms of money (PSG is a bag of which it’s not a sin to milk) but a bad one in terms of image - outside of Barcelona he turned out to be an ordinary player. But he couldn't stay in Barcelona because, according to trade union rules, he could not agree to a >=50% cut in wages even if he wanted to, and Barcelona had no money to pay a normal salary.

Yes I agree with what you said about Messi, especially about the image of his game. At Paris Saint Germain, he played like an ordinary player without showing that he is one of the best players in the world who is still actively playing. He seems to confirm that he is only good at playing for Barcelona, but not for other teams. I think that lowers his quality.

I agree with you. We have seen that when Messi was with Neymar and the Barcelona club in the city, they would fight in a very strong way in any match. Messi and Neymar's chemistry was such that only the two of them had a lot of plans for the coaching and team management of the opposing team.Since Messi joined PSG and got easier with Neymar again, it can be said that the two of them will take PSG a long way again like Barcelona.

The bonding and chemistry between Messi and Neymar is excellent. In Barcelona, we have seen, that Messi and Neymar have knocked down the opponent's defence many times. Young Mbappe is with Messi and Neymar at PSG. If Neymar does not suffer too many injuries next season, and the Messi-Neymar-Mbappe trio play together, then PSG's attack will be even stronger. At the same time, if PSG gets an experienced coach, they will be the favourites again to win the Champions League.

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In my opinion, Messi made a good decision in terms of money (PSG is a bag of which it’s not a sin to milk) but a bad one in terms of image - outside of Barcelona he turned out to be an ordinary player. But he couldn't stay in Barcelona because, according to trade union rules, he could not agree to a >=50% cut in wages even if he wanted to, and Barcelona had no money to pay a normal salary.

Yes I agree with what you said about Messi, especially about the image of his game. At Paris Saint Germain, he played like an ordinary player without showing that he is one of the best players in the world who is still actively playing. He seems to confirm that he is only good at playing for Barcelona, but not for other teams. I think that lowers his quality.

I agree with you. We have seen that when Messi was with Neymar and the Barcelona club in the city, they would fight in a very strong way in any match. Messi and Neymar's chemistry was such that only the two of them had a lot of plans for the coaching and team management of the opposing team.Since Messi joined PSG and got easier with Neymar again, it can be said that the two of them will take PSG a long way again like Barcelona.

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I think you are wrong to call him "ordinary" at PSG. He is still one of the best players in a super team like PSG. He has more goal contributions in Ligue 1 than Neymar last season(was close though) and is 2nd most goal contributions behind Mbappe. He was the highest rated player in the Champions league as well. Maybe not extra ordinary as he was in his prime but still cannot call it ordinary.

The reason why many people see Messi at PSG is an ordinary player because he's not the first striker who execute to score a goal, but his contribution at PSG is helping both Neymar and Mbappe to score. Honestly I'd say Neymar is the worst if we compare with Mbappe and Messi, since he didn't make so much goal and mostly humiliating other players with his skilled dribble. Messi can be partnered with Mbappe and Neymar, but Mbappe and Messi are better than Neymar and Messi.

that's right but it also does something else
in training, when he trains ... people learn his way of playing
his tricks
seeing a very good player also motivates you a lot and motivates the young people of the team

a player like that, he doesn't just score, he does a lot .. if he gives himself to the team

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But many people think that it is sheer luck without seeing how they apply disciplined and coordinated football in creating counter-attacks. Their hard work in maintaining depth must also be accompanied by a good transition between attack and defense and vice versa. It was a good partnership, and I think few have succeeded with a strategy like Real Madrid's.

The Real Madrid team has a very large cohesiveness in addition to a very good strategy so that it is purely because Real Madrid are able to guard all lines very well so that they can create very good defense and attack. And it doesn't deserve to be called luck because the team that Real Madrid beat was not just one and it wasn't a weak team either.

Agree with what you said, that Real Madrid have a very effective game from all lines, they work continuously so it is not easy for the opposing team to penetrate their defense even though the opposing players dominate the game. Their strategy went well, that understanding was mentored by their seniors who had been in this team for a long time, so that some of the younger players also gave their maximum game.

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Quote from: maju69 on June 20, 2022, 06:37:45 AM

But many people think that it is sheer luck without seeing how they apply disciplined and coordinated football in creating counter-attacks. Their hard work in maintaining depth must also be accompanied by a good transition between attack and defense and vice versa. It was a good partnership, and I think few have succeeded with a strategy like Real Madrid's.

The Real Madrid team has a very large cohesiveness in addition to a very good strategy so that it is purely because Real Madrid are able to guard all lines very well so that they can create very good defense and attack. And it doesn't deserve to be called luck because the team that Real Madrid beat was not just one and it wasn't a weak team either.

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Cristiano Ronaldo's leaving Real Madrid didn't affect them too badly at all. Many people expected them to be in a worse condition after he left but Real Madrid still managed to stay strong. They became the champions in the Champions League too. This proves how much awesome team Real Madrid are now. Barcelona didn't experience the same thing after Messi left the team. They struggled a lot for some time and they are newly recovering now. It is really good to see Real Madrid like this because it proves that they aren't dependent on one player.

I agree with you, because Real Madrid players never allowed the team to fail like other teams. I think, Real Madrid managements took their time to invested a huge amount of money on talented strikers like, Cristiano Ronaldo, Benzema and others in case anyone is leaving the team the thing will not affect the team. The reason why Barcelona failed since Messi left the team, is because their managements missed the opportunity to invested a huge amount of money on talented strikers when Messi was there, thinking he will remain with them forever.

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Quote from: Erdogan on June 20, 2022, 03:35:02 AM

I think the opinion that it was luck comes from the fact that Real Madrid did not play as spectacularly as we were used to by "Spanish football". I don't know where it comes from, but I have the impression that Real Madrid is playing more and more football similar to the "German football". It is hard work, focus and consistent pursuit of victory. A lot of people may not like it, but for Real Madrid, the most important thing is that they are simply effective.

But many people think that it is sheer luck without seeing how they apply disciplined and coordinated football in creating counter-attacks. Their hard work in maintaining depth must also be accompanied by a good transition between attack and defense and vice versa. It was a good partnership, and I think few have succeeded with a strategy like Real Madrid's.

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Quote from: vennali on June 20, 2022, 05:34:26 AM

I think you are wrong to call him "ordinary" at PSG. He is still one of the best players in a super team like PSG. He has more goal contributions in Ligue 1 than Neymar last season(was close though) and is 2nd most goal contributions behind Mbappe. He was the highest rated player in the Champions league as well. Maybe not extra ordinary as he was in his prime but still cannot call it ordinary.

The reason why many people see Messi at PSG is an ordinary player because he's not the first striker who execute to score a goal, but his contribution at PSG is helping both Neymar and Mbappe to score. Honestly I'd say Neymar is the worst if we compare with Mbappe and Messi, since he didn't make so much goal and mostly humiliating other players with his skilled dribble. Messi can be partnered with Mbappe and Neymar, but Mbappe and Messi are better than Neymar and Messi.

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Quote from: vennali on June 20, 2022, 05:34:26 AM

I think you are wrong to call him "ordinary" at PSG. He is still one of the best players in a super team like PSG. He has more goal contributions in Ligue 1 than Neymar last season(was close though) and is 2nd most goal contributions behind Mbappe. He was the highest rated player in the Champions league as well. Maybe not extra ordinary as he was in his prime but still cannot call it ordinary.

You are right if you compare with other players who were at Paris Saint Germain first, but when you compare when he was with Barcelona Messi has a performance with a pretty big gap in my opinion. Yes it goes back to each other's opinion about this player, because we definitely see it from a different point of view. Nevertheless I am still looking forward to a more colorful performance from this Argentine player.

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Quote from: Jody.Drummer on June 20, 2022, 05:05:10 AM

Quote from: KTChampions on June 20, 2022, 04:58:21 AM

In my opinion, Messi made a good decision in terms of money (PSG is a bag of which it’s not a sin to milk) but a bad one in terms of image - outside of Barcelona he turned out to be an ordinary player. But he couldn't stay in Barcelona because, according to trade union rules, he could not agree to a >=50% cut in wages even if he wanted to, and Barcelona had no money to pay a normal salary.

Yes I agree with what you said about Messi, especially about the image of his game. At Paris Saint Germain, he played like an ordinary player without showing that he is one of the best players in the world who is still actively playing. He seems to confirm that he is only good at playing for Barcelona, but not for other teams. I think that lowers his quality.

I think you are wrong to call him "ordinary" at PSG. He is still one of the best players in a super team like PSG. He has more goal contributions in Ligue 1 than Neymar last season(was close though) and is 2nd most goal contributions behind Mbappe. He was the highest rated player in the Champions league as well. Maybe not extra ordinary as he was in his prime but still cannot call it ordinary.

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Quote from: KTChampions on June 20, 2022, 04:58:21 AM

In my opinion, Messi made a good decision in terms of money (PSG is a bag of which it’s not a sin to milk) but a bad one in terms of image - outside of Barcelona he turned out to be an ordinary player. But he couldn't stay in Barcelona because, according to trade union rules, he could not agree to a >=50% cut in wages even if he wanted to, and Barcelona had no money to pay a normal salary.

Yes I agree with what you said about Messi, especially about the image of his game. At Paris Saint Germain, he played like an ordinary player without showing that he is one of the best players in the world who is still actively playing. He seems to confirm that he is only good at playing for Barcelona, but not for other teams. I think that lowers his quality.

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Quote from: Doan9269 on June 19, 2022, 02:39:26 PM

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It seems that you only know about the situation in Barcelona from high-profile headlines and therefore think that Messi is the main reason. The main problem of Barcelona is an inflated budget and, as a result, a huge accumulated debt (which by the way did not allow Messi to stay in the team

Many reasons might have been attributed to the challenges of Barcerlona bit i think Messi laso has it own compoundment follows, why i say so is that eother we like it or not Messi has dropped in performance unlike before and in knowing this he as well discover that leaving would be the best available option all by himself before the rejection comes from Barcelona, there are things that only needs the application of wisdom just to help make it work out as expected, we've got many players now who could substitute the significant role of Messi.

In my opinion, Messi made a good decision in terms of money (PSG is a bag of which it’s not a sin to milk) but a bad one in terms of image - outside of Barcelona he turned out to be an ordinary player. But he couldn't stay in Barcelona because, according to trade union rules, he could not agree to a >=50% cut in wages even if he wanted to, and Barcelona had no money to pay a normal salary.

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Quote from: Erdogan on June 20, 2022, 03:35:02 AM

I think the opinion that it was luck comes from the fact that Real Madrid did not play as spectacularly as we were used to by "Spanish football". I don't know where it comes from, but I have the impression that Real Madrid is playing more and more football similar to the "German football". It is hard work, focus and consistent pursuit of victory. A lot of people may not like it, but for Real Madrid, the most important thing is that they are simply effective.

Yes, this is part of the strategy, and it is not uncommon for Real Madrid to rely more on counter attacks and succeed. In the Champions League last season they again showed patient football in defense and tried a quick counter-attack to be able to take the slightest opportunity to score a goal, and it worked. They also succeeded in defending and made the opposing players a little frustrated.

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especially at the cost of incredible luck, as it happened this season, when the teams that were stronger and higher class were passed.

I can't agree less with you on this aspect, Real Madrid were very lucky to win the CL last season (i know, who cares, they won), and i am pretty sure even the players and their manager know they just about kept on defying elimination, against PSG, Chelsea, City and Liverpool, they were not the better team in any of these games, especially against City, were Pep's men dominated the two legs, should have put the game to bed even in the first leg, but blew it all up few seconds to go in the tie. It is what it is, and Madrid went on to win the CL, but to be honest they were not the team most deserving of the title in terms of performances and domination.

Luck, luck and luck. That's the word I always hear about Real Madrid winning their 14th title in the Champions League. It's not just luck, but mentally they've been trained for it. Regarding the dominance of the game, I don't agree that they didn't deserve to win the title last season. 4 giant teams they have beaten, do you still think it's through luck? I don't think there's any luck that happens that often.

I think the opinion that it was luck comes from the fact that Real Madrid did not play as spectacularly as we were used to by "Spanish football". I don't know where it comes from, but I have the impression that Real Madrid is playing more and more football similar to the "German football". It is hard work, focus and consistent pursuit of victory. A lot of people may not like it, but for Real Madrid, the most important thing is that they are simply effective.

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Manchester City, Liverpool have got new ammunition, yes the much rumored player has finally joined them. That will make the competition in the Champions League next season will be even tighter. The teams that were about to participate were slowly increasing their team strength. This will present an interesting gameplay of each match that will be run.

It would be much better if both teams had managed to bring in a new player into their squad for next season so that would obviously present a very strong competition in the Champions League which will put a bit of pressure on a Champions League winner this season like Real Madrid. Because the more strong teams in the Champions League, the fiercer the competition.

In this case, maybe there will only be a few regular clubs that will do this and talk a lot in the Champions League and maybe this will only come down to representatives from the EPL, Bundesliga, La Liga and Ligue 1. And even then for the Bundesliga, maybe only Bayern. and Ligue 1 only PSG the rest is not there.
For Serie A indeed they are very good especially now with the rise of Juventus and the confidence of Milan and the new strength of Inter.
But I still feel unsure about them for the Champions League.

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especially at the cost of incredible luck, as it happened this season, when the teams that were stronger and higher class were passed.

I can't agree less with you on this aspect, Real Madrid were very lucky to win the CL last season (i know, who cares, they won), and i am pretty sure even the players and their manager know they just about kept on defying elimination, against PSG, Chelsea, City and Liverpool, they were not the better team in any of these games, especially against City, were Pep's men dominated the two legs, should have put the game to bed even in the first leg, but blew it all up few seconds to go in the tie. It is what it is, and Madrid went on to win the CL, but to be honest they were not the team most deserving of the title in terms of performances and domination.

Luck, luck and luck. That's the word I always hear about Real Madrid winning their 14th title in the Champions League. It's not just luck, but mentally they've been trained for it. Regarding the dominance of the game, I don't agree that they didn't deserve to win the title last season. 4 giant teams they have beaten, do you still think it's through luck? I don't think there's any luck that happens that often.

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Quote from: AndySt on June 19, 2022, 05:55:09 PM

especially at the cost of incredible luck, as it happened this season, when the teams that were stronger and higher class were passed.

I can't agree less with you on this aspect, Real Madrid were very lucky to win the CL last season (i know, who cares, they won), and i am pretty sure even the players and their manager know they just about kept on defying elimination, against PSG, Chelsea, City and Liverpool, they were not the better team in any of these games, especially against City, were Pep's men dominated the two legs, should have put the game to bed even in the first leg, but blew it all up few seconds to go in the tie. It is what it is, and Madrid went on to win the CL, but to be honest they were not the team most deserving of the title in terms of performances and domination.

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Quote from: Fesatmas on June 19, 2022, 12:16:22 PM

Manchester City, Liverpool have got new ammunition, yes the much rumored player has finally joined them. That will make the competition in the Champions League next season will be even tighter. The teams that were about to participate were slowly increasing their team strength. This will present an interesting gameplay of each match that will be run.

It would be much better if both teams had managed to bring in a new player into their squad for next season so that would obviously present a very strong competition in the Champions League which will put a bit of pressure on a Champions League winner this season like Real Madrid. Because the more strong teams in the Champions League, the fiercer the competition.

For Man City and Liverpool who failed to win the Champions League trophy, definitely not only improving the way of playing, however, both teams
are very important to strengthen their respective teams. Therefore so far both Man City and Liverpool are quite active in the transfer market,
even both teams have got new players who can help them compete in the Champions League competition. Moreover, Real Madrid, who won
the Champions League trophy, had a pretty heavy burden to be able to maintain the trophy they got. Because if Real Madrid don't bring in
new players, can find it difficult to compete with other teams that have strengthened their squad by buying new players. So far Real Madrid have also
managed to get Rudiger and Tchouameni, but they need new strikers to back up Benzema. Because Real Madrid's match schedule is very tight,
so Real Madrid can't expect Benzema to always be fit and play in all matches. Therefore, Real Madrid's priority must be to immediately get a new striker.

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