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Considering that there is a second Frankenstein club in the face of PSG, City's chances will be no more than 50% Grin

Well, in fact, I doubt that at the start of the Champions League City's chances will be estimated at more than 15% - after all, this is a tournament with a large number of relegation games and competitors are also strong.
By the way, in Bavaria, which also had a great squad, Guardiola also faced only this task, but he could not solve it.

I agree that it is not an easy task, but at the same time I have to say there is a difference between being a great club, and being a team that wins the UCL. This is why City ends up losing, being a tournament team, and being a great club are different things. When you are like Madrid for example, or Chelsea, you could be not the best team in the league, or not be favorite during games, and you could still end up getting a win from champions league.

This is why I believe City needs to change the approach they have. If they can somehow managed to turn the team into a more tournament style team, it would matter a lot, how that is done is beyond me, but it has been done before.

Talking about the greatness of the clubs and results in the knockout tournament is a rather thin question. For example, in the NHL, as far as I know, winning the regular season is worth nothing compared to winning the Stanley Cup, although in fact it is also difficult to win the regular season. There are a lot of opinions about which of the recipes for creating a successful team in knockout matches is the right one, but in any case, I will hope that Guardiola never guesses it.

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Quote from: tulusikhlas on June 17, 2022, 04:11:12 AM

Real Madrid became the most successful team in this Champions League, with 14 times winning the title is certainly a very good achievement they did. I think they deserve that especially they never lack players who are very good in every area. Another plus, they have a strong mentality which I don't think other teams have at least for now.

I agree with the word "mentality". This is what other teams can't have right now. For example, like Manchester City, Man City is a big English team. but for European competition, their mentality is not there. Real madrid can always make a comeback in the UCL, it proves they do have a winning mentality.

Not only that, even if people say that history does not count in any single game that is played today that is not exactly true, a soccer player which belongs to Real Madrid will have a slight boost to their mentality just by playing there, after all since so many stars have played there and have made some crazy contributions to the team, then it does not matter how difficult a situation could be they could always find inspiration on their predecessors which overcame a similar situation and make them believe they can do so as well.
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You are right, mentality or confidence has a great effect on winning a match. But at the same time the help of fate is needed. Real Madrid is definitely an experienced and strong team. But last season, Real Madrid's fortunes helped them win the title. Otherwise they would not have won against PSG and Manchester City.

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Quote from: qomariah95 on June 17, 2022, 10:40:54 AM

Quote from: tulusikhlas on June 17, 2022, 04:11:12 AM

Real Madrid became the most successful team in this Champions League, with 14 times winning the title is certainly a very good achievement they did. I think they deserve that especially they never lack players who are very good in every area. Another plus, they have a strong mentality which I don't think other teams have at least for now.

I agree with the word "mentality". This is what other teams can't have right now. For example, like Manchester City, Man City is a big English team. but for European competition, their mentality is not there. Real madrid can always make a comeback in the UCL, it proves they do have a winning mentality.

Not only that, even if people say that history does not count in any single game that is played today that is not exactly true, a soccer player which belongs to Real Madrid will have a slight boost to their mentality just by playing there, after all since so many stars have played there and have made some crazy contributions to the team, then it does not matter how difficult a situation could be they could always find inspiration on their predecessors which overcame a similar situation and make them believe they can do so as well.

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Quote from: Cryptmuster on June 17, 2022, 05:36:51 AM

I don’t agree with you, Haaland and Mbappe are strong players in themselves, but the teams reach the final, and we see that the presence of these players in the team did not help either PSG or Dortmund reach the final.

There were some problems with Haaland especially with his body condition last season which caused him to not be able to play well because he was prone to injury but for Mbappe I think he played really well actually if you look at when they lost to Madrid it was him and even PSG who took the lead. with Aggregate 2 goals first thanks to Mbappe but indeed in this case football is not owned by individuals and obviously to help him is very helpful but the mental strength of the team cannot be given to him alone.

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Quote from: qomariah95 on June 17, 2022, 10:40:54 AM

Quote from: tulusikhlas on June 17, 2022, 04:11:12 AM

Real Madrid became the most successful team in this Champions League, with 14 times winning the title is certainly a very good achievement they did. I think they deserve that especially they never lack players who are very good in every area. Another plus, they have a strong mentality which I don't think other teams have at least for now.

I agree with the word "mentality". This is what other teams can't have right now. For example, like Manchester City, Man City is a big English team. but for European competition, their mentality is not there. Real madrid can always make a comeback in the UCL, it proves they do have a winning mentality.

Totally agree with this, they have what no other team has. In fact, I see that their mentality has become a hereditary tradition. Players who come to this team will have that mentality. Senior players really help young players in shaping that, so they won't easily lose what they created so far.
Now they have a good generation, especially in midfield.

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Quote from: zuzie on June 17, 2022, 09:27:47 AM

The problem is at PSG, not the manager, Zidane's moments at Real Madrid with some of his star players will not be the same as PSG's moments with almost all of his star players. I recognize Zidane's achievements as a coach who is familiar with the Champions League and comparable to PSG's problems which always fail to win the UCL trophy. But I don't think Zidane can handle PSG like he handles Real Madrid, I see the problem is that the PSG squad has too many star players there.

I also have the same thought. With so many star players in one squad, PSG should be able to win the Champions League, but until now they still can't get the Champions League trophy. I think PSG missed a crucial thing, that they couldn't play as a solid team. The star players who gathered together will indeed look promising but making them harmonious can be a serious problem because most of them have high egos, lack of loyalty, and it's hard to find a leader (captain) who can be respected by all of them.

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Quote from: tulusikhlas on June 17, 2022, 04:11:12 AM

Real Madrid became the most successful team in this Champions League, with 14 times winning the title is certainly a very good achievement they did. I think they deserve that especially they never lack players who are very good in every area. Another plus, they have a strong mentality which I don't think other teams have at least for now.

I agree with the word "mentality". This is what other teams can't have right now. For example, like Manchester City, Man City is a big English team. but for European competition, their mentality is not there. Real madrid can always make a comeback in the UCL, it proves they do have a winning mentality.

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Quote from: Bobrox on June 17, 2022, 10:23:59 AM

Quote from: Cryptmuster on June 17, 2022, 05:36:51 AM

I don’t agree with you, Haaland and Mbappe are strong players in themselves, but the teams reach the final, and we see that the presence of these players in the team did not help either PSG or Dortmund reach the final. And if you compare Pochetinno with Zidane, then it's hard for me to say that PSG will become much stronger with the arrival of Zidane. For a long time he did not have any coaching practice, and it is also difficult to evaluate his skills by Real Madrid alone. I do not believe that he will be able to come to PSG and achieve great results, well, he will win Ligue 1 of course. )

Still do not know about bad and poor achievement from PSG last season on UEFA Champion League with star composition player, I think bad moment when have to see PSG have eliminated on first round of knock out stage. Have rumors with Pochettino will retired from PSG and replace by Zidane, maybe give good positive side if Zidane arrive on PSG and could make change with result on UEFA Champion League, but can't sure Zidane will be success on PSG with many expectation how Zidane can make Real Madrid get get trophy on champion league.

Zidane rumours are all coming into place with the sacking of porch, I wonder if he still has the drive to manage in the premier league. Everton could be an option, doubt frank will give up his role willingly and poch wanting that kind of pressure.zidane for psg thought, that is a scary thought. I proven winner of and off the pitch having an arsenal of unbelievable talent. Bringing a champions league to his home nation for the first time will what he will make his goal for the next season.

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Quote from: Cryptmuster on June 17, 2022, 05:36:51 AM

I don’t agree with you, Haaland and Mbappe are strong players in themselves, but the teams reach the final, and we see that the presence of these players in the team did not help either PSG or Dortmund reach the final. And if you compare Pochetinno with Zidane, then it's hard for me to say that PSG will become much stronger with the arrival of Zidane. For a long time he did not have any coaching practice, and it is also difficult to evaluate his skills by Real Madrid alone. I do not believe that he will be able to come to PSG and achieve great results, well, he will win Ligue 1 of course. )

Still do not know about bad and poor achievement from PSG last season on UEFA Champion League with star composition player, I think bad moment when have to see PSG have eliminated on first round of knock out stage. Have rumors with Pochettino will retired from PSG and replace by Zidane, maybe give good positive side if Zidane arrive on PSG and could make change with result on UEFA Champion League, but can't sure Zidane will be success on PSG with many expectation how Zidane can make Real Madrid get get trophy on champion league.

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Quote from: SatoPrincess on June 17, 2022, 08:22:08 AM

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It's possible to happen because the transfers made by Real Madrid are fairly good, although indeed, Real Madrid failed to get Mbappe and Haaland. That way, those who get these two players will probably have a better chance next season to win the Champions League title. But regarding PSG, I will still wait for the coach to replace Pochettino because there are rumors that Zidane will join PSG. Because if PSG succeed in making Zidane a coach then of course PSG next season will be much better than now, about the two EPL teams I think they also have a chance.

I also thought some time ago that the arrival of Zinedine Zidane as head coach was almost decided, but in light of the latest rumors, I had persistent doubts about this. Let me remind you that there was information that Zidane refused and now the main candidate for the post is the head coach of Nice. Therefore, I would not be surprised if Zidane continues his sabbatical and waits at least until the upcoming World Cup in Qatar, because it is no secret that the main priority for Zidane now is the post of head coach of the national team, which may be vacated in the winter after the departure of Didier Deschamps. And so, I think that the arrival of Zidane at PSG would greatly raise the stakes for winning the Champions League in the upcoming season.

So far as we all know, Zidane has won the Champions League on three consecutive occasions with Real madrid side with top players fulfilling the fact that he could be a better coach with top class players cause he is capable of bringing out the best in these players which is very important as a manager who wants to succeed at a club so I think if eventually he takes on the job at PSG there is a high probability of him Winning the trophy next season.

The problem is at PSG, not the manager, Zidane's moments at Real Madrid with some of his star players will not be the same as PSG's moments with almost all of his star players. I recognize Zidane's achievements as a coach who is familiar with the Champions League and comparable to PSG's problems which always fail to win the UCL trophy. But I don't think Zidane can handle PSG like he handles Real Madrid, I see the problem is that the PSG squad has too many star players there.

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Quote from: AndySt on June 17, 2022, 03:35:43 AM

Quote from: hahay on June 17, 2022, 01:58:49 AM

It's possible to happen because the transfers made by Real Madrid are fairly good, although indeed, Real Madrid failed to get Mbappe and Haaland. That way, those who get these two players will probably have a better chance next season to win the Champions League title. But regarding PSG, I will still wait for the coach to replace Pochettino because there are rumors that Zidane will join PSG. Because if PSG succeed in making Zidane a coach then of course PSG next season will be much better than now, about the two EPL teams I think they also have a chance.

I also thought some time ago that the arrival of Zinedine Zidane as head coach was almost decided, but in light of the latest rumors, I had persistent doubts about this. Let me remind you that there was information that Zidane refused and now the main candidate for the post is the head coach of Nice. Therefore, I would not be surprised if Zidane continues his sabbatical and waits at least until the upcoming World Cup in Qatar, because it is no secret that the main priority for Zidane now is the post of head coach of the national team, which may be vacated in the winter after the departure of Didier Deschamps. And so, I think that the arrival of Zidane at PSG would greatly raise the stakes for winning the Champions League in the upcoming season.

So far as we all know, Zidane has won the Champions League on three consecutive occasions with Real madrid side with top players fulfilling the fact that he could be a better coach with top class players cause he is capable of bringing out the best in these players which is very important as a manager who wants to succeed at a club so I think if eventually he takes on the job at PSG there is a high probability of him Winning the trophy next season.

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Quote from: abhiseshakana on June 17, 2022, 04:11:47 AM

Last season, Real Madrid played with almost the same composition as the previous season (which was coached by Zidane), so many assume that Real Madrid will not get a good achievement. But what happened, they even got the La Liga trophy and the Champions League Trophy. So I think for the following seasons, Real Madrid will remain a formidable challenger in the fight for the title in every competition they participate in. After all, they also have a lot of money to make their squad even stronger.

I think when Real Madrid are belittled that's when they respond to the underestimation with achievements. In the game I saw they were a little pressured, but under pressure they could still play calm and try to create chances through counter attacks. That was the key to their victory, they weren't in a rush in building attacks but any small chance they got would be a nightmare for the opponent.

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Quote from: Jody.Drummer on June 17, 2022, 01:55:40 AM

I agree this is the fruit of teamwork as a whole, not just individuals. Benzema does stand out but what makes all that is because his team-mates are playing well.
Real Madrid have an organized team that has led them to great success, especially in this Champions League. It will be very difficult for any other team to break the success that Real Madrid have achieved until now.

exact! I agree with you
this does not mean that Benzema is not a great player
very good, collaborative, generous for the team
he also seems to me a good person as a man

I would like to have him on my favorite team

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Manchester City are going to be a huge favourite for the Champions League title next season. They have added a very big player like Erling Haaland to the team and I think that they are complete now. I always believed that they needed this kind of a striker in the team. He is like an all-around player and he can contribute insanely much to the team in terms of scoring many goals. I know that Manchester City haven't had much problem with scoring but now they will be even stronger about that.

After last season's exit from the champions league,I began to imagine what they said Yaya Toure said to Guardiola,that he will never win the champions league with Mancity,because taking a look at Manchester city's performances last season,you see that they did exceptionally well,but why they were eliminated from the tournament is what I don't know.They were the favourites to win that tittle,but it all turned against them.I just feel that there is a hoodoo following Guardiola.

It really started to seem like there is some dark magic that has been made to Guardiola. Grin

They are trying to do their best to make the lineup even stronger now. I expect them to be very active in this transfer window. On the other hand this doesn't guarantee anything for them of course. But this is a big effort to make it in the Champions League and I'd really like to see them reaching the championship finally. PSG are experiencing the same thing with them and I wonder which one of them will break a leg first.

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Quote from: hahay on June 17, 2022, 01:58:49 AM

It's possible to happen because the transfers made by Real Madrid are fairly good, although indeed, Real Madrid failed to get Mbappe and Haaland. That way, those who get these two players will probably have a better chance next season to win the Champions League title. But regarding PSG, I will still wait for the coach to replace Pochettino because there are rumors that Zidane will join PSG. Because if PSG succeed in making Zidane a coach then of course PSG next season will be much better than now, about the two EPL teams I think they also have a chance.

I don’t agree with you, Haaland and Mbappe are strong players in themselves, but the teams reach the final, and we see that the presence of these players in the team did not help either PSG or Dortmund reach the final. And if you compare Pochetinno with Zidane, then it's hard for me to say that PSG will become much stronger with the arrival of Zidane. For a long time he did not have any coaching practice, and it is also difficult to evaluate his skills by Real Madrid alone. I do not believe that he will be able to come to PSG and achieve great results, well, he will win Ligue 1 of course. )

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In the 2021-2022 UEFA Champions League, Real Madrid is a club that put in tremendous effort and hard work to win the UCL. Real Madrid's 14th Champions League trophy was not smooth as they almost failed to advance to the final by Manchester City.

In my opinion, in the future, Real Madrid must give up the UCL trophy to other clubs because next season the team that will be Real Madrid's rival will be more prepared to achieve the goal of lifting the trophy even though Madrid is a club that is able to win successive UCL titles.

What makes you speculate so? It's not that Real Madrid have been under pressure this season either, it's considered they won't be able to win against most of the favorites in last season's Champions League. Paris Saint Germain, Chelsea, Manchester City, Liverpool. They (Real Madrid) were considered lost by some even before the match took place. But what we see, they are able to answer the doubts of many people.

Last season, Real Madrid played with almost the same composition as the previous season (which was coached by Zidane), so many assume that Real Madrid will not get a good achievement. But what happened, they even got the La Liga trophy and the Champions League Trophy. So I think for the following seasons, Real Madrid will remain a formidable challenger in the fight for the title in every competition they participate in. After all, they also have a lot of money to make their squad even stronger.

Real Madrid's performance last season was outstanding. I don't think they will perform so well and consistently. They have a very stable performance in the Champions League. And they will continue to do so next season. Although they have not yet added any new players to the squad. They must find an experienced defender. On the other hand, it is high time to find a suitable replacement for Modrich and Benzema.

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Quote from: Fesatmas on June 17, 2022, 02:17:35 AM

Quote from: aylabadia05 on June 16, 2022, 10:43:40 PM

In the 2021-2022 UEFA Champions League, Real Madrid is a club that put in tremendous effort and hard work to win the UCL. Real Madrid's 14th Champions League trophy was not smooth as they almost failed to advance to the final by Manchester City.

In my opinion, in the future, Real Madrid must give up the UCL trophy to other clubs because next season the team that will be Real Madrid's rival will be more prepared to achieve the goal of lifting the trophy even though Madrid is a club that is able to win successive UCL titles.

What makes you speculate so? It's not that Real Madrid have been under pressure this season either, it's considered they won't be able to win against most of the favorites in last season's Champions League. Paris Saint Germain, Chelsea, Manchester City, Liverpool. They (Real Madrid) were considered lost by some even before the match took place. But what we see, they are able to answer the doubts of many people.

Last season, Real Madrid played with almost the same composition as the previous season (which was coached by Zidane), so many assume that Real Madrid will not get a good achievement. But what happened, they even got the La Liga trophy and the Champions League Trophy. So I think for the following seasons, Real Madrid will remain a formidable challenger in the fight for the title in every competition they participate in. After all, they also have a lot of money to make their squad even stronger.

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Real Madrid became the most successful team in this Champions League, with 14 times winning the title is certainly a very good achievement they did. I think they deserve that especially they never lack players who are very good in every area. Another plus, they have a strong mentality which I don't think other teams have at least for now.

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Quote from: hahay on June 17, 2022, 01:58:49 AM

It's possible to happen because the transfers made by Real Madrid are fairly good, although indeed, Real Madrid failed to get Mbappe and Haaland. That way, those who get these two players will probably have a better chance next season to win the Champions League title. But regarding PSG, I will still wait for the coach to replace Pochettino because there are rumors that Zidane will join PSG. Because if PSG succeed in making Zidane a coach then of course PSG next season will be much better than now, about the two EPL teams I think they also have a chance.

I also thought some time ago that the arrival of Zinedine Zidane as head coach was almost decided, but in light of the latest rumors, I had persistent doubts about this. Let me remind you that there was information that Zidane refused and now the main candidate for the post is the head coach of Nice. Therefore, I would not be surprised if Zidane continues his sabbatical and waits at least until the upcoming World Cup in Qatar, because it is no secret that the main priority for Zidane now is the post of head coach of the national team, which may be vacated in the winter after the departure of Didier Deschamps. And so, I think that the arrival of Zidane at PSG would greatly raise the stakes for winning the Champions League in the upcoming season.

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Yes, it is difficult to describe everything that has happened at Real Madrid this season. Real madrid can make history and Real madrid can turn things around from Manchester City and PSG who can make everyone admire Real madrid. Ancelotti's tactics with Real Madrid this season have been quite successful with great motivation and strong cooperation making Real Madrid able to win the Champions League Trophy. Next season the competition will be even more exciting because several teams that have been absent from the Champions League for a long time will return, such as Tottenham Hotspur.

Indeed, every season the competition between teams that qualify for the Champions League from various leagues will be very tight because these teams have made many changes, especially regarding the quality and strength of their teams by buying new players.

In the Premier League, Manchester and the other 3 teams that will compete in the Champions League continue to increase the strength of the team by adding some new players and the same will certainly be done by all the teams that qualify for the Champions League just to compete for the title next season. This must be interesting.

Quote from: Bobrox on June 09, 2022, 03:38:02 PM

The most important key why made Real Madrid success on champion league beside with player motivate I think how effective with tactics adopt by Carlo Ancelotti. Not really impressived and dominance with ball possession but Madrid always win from bigger team on UEFA Champion League knock oit round. Next season not any position have changed with Real Madrid and I think have chance with champion league trophy.

Strategy, mentality, quality of players, and luck are some of the things that made Real Madrid successful in securing its 14th Champions League title last season. Look how lucky they are to qualify for all knockout stages at home where PSG, Chelsea and Manchester City were beaten at Barnabue and all in the second leg of each rounde differently. This is what makes Real Madrid great and they are quite lucky about that.

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