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From year to year Bayern Munich is indeed in the lead in the list of winners of the Champions League, but because Bayern Munich does lack players who can defend well in defense, they often concede goals. Bayern Munich has indeed been less consistent in their game this season, even though their opponents are domestic teams, but it is difficult for them to get maximum points consistently.
Actually in this case their back line in terms of players is very good but the problem is sometimes in a match they are always focused on attack and are not in a state of readiness when they face counter attacks because some players do not return to their positions on time.
It's also the case that when they lost against Villarreal this season they were focused on attacking but when they came on the counter they were overwhelmed which made this a drawback for them.
Yes, Bayern Munich is always included in the list of favorite teams to win the Champions League. In fact they always score a lot of goals in several matches, but that can't make up for their shortcomings that lie in defense as discussed here. Their defense only works in the domestic league but not for the bigger competitions.

Bayern Munich should learn from Real Madrid. Real Madrid identifies the opponent's weak points and adjusts the match strategy accordingly. Bayern Munich, on the other hand, always plays offensively. But it is not possible to win all the matches by playing only attacking. This is why we do not see the expected performance from Bayern Munich, despite being the favorite team in the Champions League every year.
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Champions league next season will be tough and interesting, teams like Manchester City,   Liverpool,Bayern Munich and Barcelona would try their best to win it this time. It won't be easy for Real Madrid because every eyes will be on them , the competition will be hard.
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I predict that the next Champions League will be won again by a club that has at least one Croat in the team, as in the last 10 years  Grin
According to the current situation, the following teams have Croats: Real, Bayern, Chelsea, Inter or Atletico, and some of them will, according to the existing tradition, win the Champions League  Cheesy

It's nice if they can win again. In Spain I am happy with Real Madrid, of course I support them champions. But I'm also realistic, madrid next season has a lot of players of aging age. I realized guessing from the beginning of the group phase was very difficult.
A lot of the big transfers from EPL clubs it looks like they will increasingly become Favourites. Like Man City, Liverpool they got great young players. In addition last season the EPL clubs have always dominated going into the top four of the knockout phase except Man United. For Bayern, Chelsea, Inter or Atletico I don't think I'm including them in the team of potential UCL champions next season.
Interesting to check I think, is it true that in the last 10 years the winning team of the Champions League has at least 1 person or a player who is from Croatia. After I checked and the results were correct, here's the list.

2022 : Real Madrid - Luka Modric
2021 : Chelsea - Mateo Kovacic
2020 : Bayern Munich - Ivan Perisic
2019 : Liverpool - Dejan Lovren
2018 : Real Madrid - Luka Modric and Mateo Kovacic
2017 : Real Madrid - Luka Modric and Mateo Kovacic
2016 : Real Madrid - Luka Modric
2015 : Barcelona - Ivan Rakitic
2014 : Real Madrid - Luka Modric
2013 : Bayern Munich - Mario Mandzukic

I never thought something like this could happen and I think it's pretty great if the Croatian national team can give a good result too, but anyway at least this can be considered for the Champions League next season. Interesting to look forward to!
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I predict that the next Champions League will be won again by a club that has at least one Croat in the team, as in the last 10 years  Grin
According to the current situation, the following teams have Croats: Real, Bayern, Chelsea, Inter or Atletico, and some of them will, according to the existing tradition, win the Champions League  Cheesy

It's nice if they can win again. In Spain I am happy with Real Madrid, of course I support them champions. But I'm also realistic, madrid next season has a lot of players of aging age. I realized guessing from the beginning of the group phase was very difficult.
A lot of the big transfers from EPL clubs it looks like they will increasingly become Favourites. Like Man City, Liverpool they got great young players. In addition last season the EPL clubs have always dominated going into the top four of the knockout phase except Man United. For Bayern, Chelsea, Inter or Atletico I don't think I'm including them in the team of potential UCL champions next season.
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From year to year Bayern Munich is indeed in the lead in the list of winners of the Champions League, but because Bayern Munich does lack players who can defend well in defense, they often concede goals. Bayern Munich has indeed been less consistent in their game this season, even though their opponents are domestic teams, but it is difficult for them to get maximum points consistently.

Actually in this case their back line in terms of players is very good but the problem is sometimes in a match they are always focused on attack and are not in a state of readiness when they face counter attacks because some players do not return to their positions on time.
It's also the case that when they lost against Villarreal this season they were focused on attacking but when they came on the counter they were overwhelmed which made this a drawback for them.
Yes, Bayern Munich is always included in the list of favorite teams to win the Champions League. In fact they always score a lot of goals in several matches, but that can't make up for their shortcomings that lie in defense as discussed here. Their defense only works in the domestic league but not for the bigger competitions.
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Real Madrid should be one of the biggest contenders of the title according to bookmakers next season. They underestimated Real Madrid in the previous season and we all saw what happened at the end of the tournament. Bookmakers are evaluating the success probability according to the squad qualities of teams I guess. Because I saw Manchester City and PSG as they were shown as the closest teams to the title. This might stay the same for the next season too but they should at least lower the odd for Real Madrid next time.

Personally, I don’t think Real were underestimated last season. Along with PSG, Manchester City or Bayern, everyone mentioned also Real as one of the favorites to win the Champions League.
It has been proven once again that it is not enough to invest a lot of money, buy the best available players on the market and count on winning the Champions League safely.
The owners of PSG and Manchester City have been investing huge money in their clubs for years, but without success, they can't win the ultimate prize, the title in the Champions League.
The real question is what Real has and these clubs do not have?
Club tradition, football culture, faith in the club, spirit, can't be created overnight and bought with money.
The second half of the match between Real and PSG and the last 5 minutes of the match between Real and Manchester City show the most why Real has won so many times in the Champions League in recent years. Real players simply know that they are playing in the best club in the world and they believe that they can win at any moment.

People were still talking positively about Real Madrid mostly yes. But I meant that Real Madrid weren't seen like the closest team to the title by bookmakers. I already indicated the reason for that too as it is natural that they take the squad qualities into account first mostly. Real Madrid should always be seen the biggest or at least the second biggest candidate for the title by bookmakers as long as Real Madrid don't enter a very bad era. But I don't remember Real Madrid being that much bad for so many years.
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My big prediction for the next Champions League will be won by either Manchester City or PSG.
Both teams have invested greatly in good player's and coaches but have lacked results.
Man City came so close but they couldn't as Real Madrid turned thing's around.

Manchester city,  PSG and Real Madrid these are teams that invest a lot in having the best player and they have always have the same qualities of football strength.  It is even too early to predict between these teams who will win  the Champions League,  these are all good teams that it is unpredictable to know who will always win.

 I predict that the next Champions League will be won again by a club that has at least one Croat in the team, as in the last 10 years  Grin
According to the current situation, the following teams have Croats: Real, Bayern, Chelsea, Inter or Atletico, and some of them will, according to the existing tradition, win the Champions League  Cheesy
Of course, also other factors will probably affect the final result, but in any case I think we have at least 6-7 main candidates to win the Champions League and in any case we are facing another very exciting and uncertain competition.
I would say that Real is the favorite again.
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Actually their attacking strategy is going well, it's just that it leaves gaps in their defense. If they can balance more attack and defense I also think they will be able to do a lot more in the competition. We will always encounter this kind of thing, Bayern Munich must immediately realize the location of their weakness.

From year to year Bayern Munich is indeed in the lead in the list of winners of the Champions League, but because Bayern Munich does lack players who can defend well in defense, they often concede goals. Bayern Munich has indeed been less consistent in their game this season, even though their opponents are domestic teams, but it is difficult for them to get maximum points consistently.

Actually in this case their back line in terms of players is very good but the problem is sometimes in a match they are always focused on attack and are not in a state of readiness when they face counter attacks because some players do not return to their positions on time.
It's also the case that when they lost against Villarreal this season they were focused on attacking but when they came on the counter they were overwhelmed which made this a drawback for them.
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Manchester city has been coming so close in the recent seasons. First it was Chelsea stealing the title from them in a season everyone thought, it was their turn to left the trophy then came Real Madrid that did the impossible. I mean everyone thought the game was over but within minutes all hopes were restored and one similarity between this losses are the decision of the Manchester city coach Pep.

Manchester City would also be among the favorite this season as well, Liverpool shouldn't be left out as both teams have strengthen their attacking threat and they'll be a force in the champions league next season. If truly Pep isn't really cursed then maybe this might just be his season and he'll left the first champions league trophy for Manchester city.
Not depending how team keep favorite but the last result to know who is the winner exactly learned from how the journey of UEFA Champion League this season, I don't see any have predicting and favorite about Real Madrid will be the winner of Champion League. Beginning from group stage, 16 round, quarter final, semifinal until final not any sportsbook favorite and give bigger odds for Real Madrid because not favorite team to get trophy. I remember when Real Madrid against with Manchester City on second leg where sportsbook give bigger odd for City and favorite Manchester City will lead to final against with Liverpool, but the last minutes made different and Real Madrid success until final and get trophy.
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Manchester City is always a good competitor in any competition. But I think recently they have been a little unlucky. Liverpool is also a strong team but I believe Manchester City is stronger if we compare these two teams. I believe that Manchester City will be ahead compared to Liverpool in winning the English Premier League and also the Champions League.

Are you sure about that? Let's look at the matchs of the two clubs in recent times.
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October 3, 2021 - Liverpool vs Man city - Result : 2-2
April 10, 2022 - Liverpool vs Man city - Result : 2-2
FA Cup Semifinal - Liverpool vs Man city - Result : 3-2
I may agree with you in the local league that both clubs are as strong as looking at the draw between the two clubs in the EPL. But we discussed in the UCL competition, and the fact that the mentality of Liverpool players is far superior to Man City, indirectly Liverpool is stronger than Man City in competitions outside the Premier League.
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My big prediction for the next Champions League will be won by either Manchester City or PSG.
Both teams have invested greatly in good player's and coaches but have lacked results.
Man City came so close but they couldn't as Real Madrid turned thing's around.

Manchester city has been coming so close in the recent seasons. First it was Chelsea stealing the title from them in a season everyone thought, it was their turn to left the trophy then came Real Madrid that did the impossible. I mean everyone thought the game was over but within minutes all hopes were restored and one similarity between this losses are the decision of the Manchester city coach Pep.

Manchester City would also be among the favorite this season as well, Liverpool shouldn't be left out as both teams have strengthen their attacking threat and they'll be a force in the champions league next season. If truly Pep isn't really cursed then maybe this might just be his season and he'll left the first champions league trophy for Manchester city.

Manchester City is always a good competitor in any competition. But I think recently they have been a little unlucky. Liverpool is also a strong team but I believe Manchester City is stronger if we compare these two teams. I believe that Manchester City will be ahead compared to Liverpool in winning the English Premier League and also the Champions League.
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My big prediction for the next Champions League will be won by either Manchester City or PSG.
Both teams have invested greatly in good players and coaches but have lacked results.
Man City came so close but they couldn't as Real Madrid turned thing's around.
If not for the disqualification of Manchester City by real Madrid the club could have won the just concluded champion league but am sure if man city could qualify next round there will take home the trophy.
Very funny, What's the point of wishing for something like this.
City have already lost and that's a fact why to think they are champions lol
What City have to do is prepare for next season by fixing their vacant line instead of fantasizing about winning this season because this is something that is not necessary and maybe there is an addition that is not until next season they meet Madrid in the Champions League Cheesy
Those kind fantasy has been there since around two years ago though , you know what? Since psg keep shopping a superstar player like neymar and messi ... people around the globe agreed that psg the one that could able to win the champions league , yet they are not .. they are struggling even more.

So do with manchester city , everyone has the same expectation and yet they are failed!

After all, it has been known for a long time that buying superstars is mainly a marketing, and often even political, goal for investors. I do not remember that building a team based on great stars alone brought any spectacular effects. That is why the selection of a coach is so important for every club. What will happen next season will depend on the coaches. It is the coach who should build the team, not the investor.
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My big prediction for the next Champions League will be won by either Manchester City or PSG.
Both teams have invested greatly in good players and coaches but have lacked results.
Man City came so close but they couldn't as Real Madrid turned thing's around.
If not for the disqualification of Manchester City by real Madrid the club could have won the just concluded champion league but am sure if man city could qualify next round there will take home the trophy.
Very funny, What's the point of wishing for something like this.
City have already lost and that's a fact why to think they are champions lol
What City have to do is prepare for next season by fixing their vacant line instead of fantasizing about winning this season because this is something that is not necessary and maybe there is an addition that is not until next season they meet Madrid in the Champions League Cheesy
Those kind fantasy has been there since around two years ago though , you know what? Since psg keep shopping a superstar player like neymar and messi ... people around the globe agreed that psg the one that could able to win the champions league , yet they are not .. they are struggling even more.

So do with manchester city , everyone has the same expectation and yet they are failed!
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My big prediction for the next Champions League will be won by either Manchester City or PSG.
Both teams have invested greatly in good player's and coaches but have lacked results.
Man City came so close but they couldn't as Real Madrid turned thing's around.

Manchester city has been coming so close in the recent seasons. First it was Chelsea stealing the title from them in a season everyone thought, it was their turn to left the trophy then came Real Madrid that did the impossible. I mean everyone thought the game was over but within minutes all hopes were restored and one similarity between this losses are the decision of the Manchester city coach Pep.

Manchester City would also be among the favorite this season as well, Liverpool shouldn't be left out as both teams have strengthen their attacking threat and they'll be a force in the champions league next season. If truly Pep isn't really cursed then maybe this might just be his season and he'll left the first champions league trophy for Manchester city.
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My big prediction for the next Champions League will be won by either Manchester City or PSG.
Both teams have invested greatly in good players and coaches but have lacked results.
Man City came so close but they couldn't as Real Madrid turned thing's around.
If not for the disqualification of Manchester City by real Madrid the club could have won the just concluded champion league but am sure if man city could qualify next round there will take home the trophy.
Very funny, What's the point of wishing for something like this.
City have already lost and that's a fact why to think they are champions lol
What City have to do is prepare for next season by fixing their vacant line instead of fantasizing about winning this season because this is something that is not necessary and maybe there is an addition that is not until next season they meet Madrid in the Champions League Cheesy
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Real Madrid should be one of the biggest contenders of the title according to bookmakers next season. They underestimated Real Madrid in the previous season and we all saw what happened at the end of the tournament. Bookmakers are evaluating the success probability according to the squad qualities of teams I guess. Because I saw Manchester City and PSG as they were shown as the closest teams to the title. This might stay the same for the next season too but they should at least lower the odd for Real Madrid next time.

Putting such a team on the list of major title contenders and giving higher odds on them winning is an obvious action, they are the kings of the Champions League, no one has come close to that number of wins, so I don't know if it will affect the squad next season, it won't even change much really. I'm more interested in which clubs will make it to the quarter-finals and fight for the win
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But if you look at the advantages or partiality, Madrid clearly loses when compared to other clubs such as PSG, City or Liverpool.
As for their opponents, the word underestimation might be a little appropriate because if you look at the actual game from the beginning of the knockout phase we can see that Madrid's winning goal was scored in the final 10 minutes, which indicates that apart from their strategy being emphasized there, in this case, there are several clubs who do consider easy attack, example for PSG and City.

What difference does it make when Real Madrid score the winning goals? Even if there is some difference, it is only in favor of Real Madrid. I think you've heard of the concept of championship rounds in boxing (9-12) or the 4th quarter in basketball. The one who is strong in the decisive moments of the game is rightfully considered stronger. Real was stronger in every such moment.
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Real Madrid should be one of the biggest contenders of the title according to bookmakers next season. They underestimated Real Madrid in the previous season and we all saw what happened at the end of the tournament. Bookmakers are evaluating the success probability according to the squad qualities of teams I guess. Because I saw Manchester City and PSG as they were shown as the closest teams to the title. This might stay the same for the next season too but they should at least lower the odd for Real Madrid next time.
Betting is all about luck.  Real Madrid have played very well lately and have become Champions.  Liverpool looked very good in their performance in the final match, but Real Madrid took the trophy.  Real seemed to be less strong than the other teams on paper.  The odds may be lower after that, but I don't know if they can be as lucky next year as they were this year.
The possibility is still very large even though there are still several opponents such as PSG who keep Mbappe, Haaland at City and Nunez at Liverpool but of course Madrid also does not stand still.
They are aware that their back line is still a gap and now Rudiger is there as a patch plus their midfield is indeed in good shape after Valverde played well last season and Tchoameni has also come now to Madrid this still closes the possibility of Madrid getting stronger.
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My big prediction for the next Champions League will be won by either Manchester City or PSG.
Both teams have invested greatly in good players and coaches but have lacked results.
Man City came so close but they couldn't as Real Madrid turned thing's around.
If not for the disqualification of Manchester City by real Madrid the club could have won the just concluded champion league but am sure if man city could qualify next round there will take home the trophy.

World football dogs are just barking, if it gets to the point of actual sanctions then they really aren't going to bar Manchester City from participating in the Champions League. In any case, all kinds of constructions can be devised to circumvent rules. I think City was shocked by the investigation at the time, but not City in the champions league seems unthinkable to me. You would expect PSG or City to win the Champions League once, but year after year things go wrong. Last year City was good and so was PSG. But both lost inexplicably to Madrid.
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Bayern Munich football tactic in general, they play with a system focused on attacking and scoring goals. This tactic may not always be consistent in the champions league. Because their opponents can find other solutions against this tactic of Munich and they can get points from Bayern Munich in this way. If they catch the balance of defense and attack, Munich can completely dominate the field this time.
It still works against weaker opponents for sure, but when there is a team that is close to their level, or better than them, then it becomes a bit of a problem since it would take Bayern to not make a single mistake and be super rapid against the other team as well.

I mean think about it this way, if there is a team they face which has even close levels of talent, and know how to do counter attacking, they could absurd any of Bayerns attacks and then they could use that to their advantage and get chances to score. This is what happened to them this year, and that is why they are not winning every year as well, it takes a bit of matchup chance for them to win it.
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