UEFA Champions League Discussion Thread - page 312.

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Quote from: iv4n on March 21, 2022, 02:42:16 PM

I think you said it all nicely, most of us think the same, Liverpool goes further through Benfica and City through Atletico, but can there be any surprises? Atletico plays nice football and have a nice string of victories behind them, self-confidence is at a level, and if anyone can surprise it might be them!
Nobody is talking about Villareal, it seems to everyone that it's a finished game and that Bayern has moved on! They are obviously a much stronger team with more experience, and maybe for Villarreal, the quarterfinals are a good success already!?
Chelsea is in some administrative problems due to this war situation, but the guys are playing good football, if they beat Real and move on, maybe the selling price will increase!?
I expect interesting matches, we saw some nice surprises in the last round, so I believe we will see another one, the question is which one!?

I think that the matches are going to be quite competitive because there is a reason why these teams have qualified this far into the tournament. But, I really don't think there will be many surprises. If anything I think in my opinion Chelsea is going to win the match against Real Madrid but that match could go either way. I don't say Liverpool having any problems and also not Bayern Munich.

Quote from: 3meek on March 21, 2022, 02:20:45 PM

The chances of an English club becoming a Champions League winner are very high... No doubt that Man City and Liverpool should play in the semi-finals! With Chelsea and Real Madrid there are doubts, but I think Real Madrid have a better chance of winning... Chelsea aren't having the best of times right now... Although it would be fun if they could get to the semi-finals too! Then it would be Bayern competing against three English teams...

I really don't have too much doubt about the champions trophy going to an English side this year. It really seems hard for the English teams to lose except for Chelsea versus Real Madrid. But, even then in that match, I think Chelsea is going to be the winners. If Bayern Munich does end up taking the champions League trophy it will not be surprising but it will surely be something to watch.

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Quote from: Swordsoffreedom on March 21, 2022, 03:13:27 PM

Actually, that was a pretty big ""blip"" in my opinion. I don't think even they thought that they were not going to lose against Barcelona at least in this season.

But, they did and that was also by a humiliating result. The defense looped absolutely dumb about what was happening and the headed goals seemed like the attackers were absolutely unmarked. Free headers and Attackers converted with ease. I really don't think that people have any doubt about the capability of Barcelona from now on.

Not at all discounting the size of the blip -- and full credit to Barca for restoring hope and confidence in their rebuilding campaign spearheaded by Xavi (and dare I say Auba?). But blips are allowed, and sometimes even necessary, if you believe in the philosophies of football that dictate teams need a wakeup call every now and then especially when there's a big cushion in the league lead.

I remember when Liverpool lost 7-frikking-2 to Villa last season and yes, it was humiliating, it broke records and it was a horror show but it was a blip (one of several no doubt, but I note also that was a crazy season without defenders). We've seen big blips from champions this season, Bochum v Bayern for example. Ajax blip over 2 legs (it has to count right?).

You're right of course, Ancelotti shouldn't let his defenders off easy even if he's taken all the blame but I still think they're value odds to bet on against Chelsea.

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Honestly, I have zero expectation from Real Madrid to lose their focus and have problems about their targets this season. Just because they lost to Barcelona by a score like that, it is not the end of the world for Real Madrid. They are still a great team and have done great things so far. They are still running to the La Liga championship and we shouldn't forget how epic they eliminated PSG in the Champions League too. When we take all of these into account, I believe in them to eliminate Chelsea here. Real Madrid seem to be a stronger team than them.

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Quote from: Issa56 on March 21, 2022, 01:33:05 PM

Quote from: buwaytress on March 21, 2022, 04:24:03 AM

^ Come on guys, you really think Real gets distracted for a blip in La Liga? They probably knew they were coming into that game with their weakest side in years against a resurgent Barca. And they would happily have rested Benzema even if he were half-fit, in preparation for Chelsea.
Chelsea are the favourites, and rightly so, but Real have experience and streetsmarts. Way too much of both to be affected by the El Clasico sidequest.

It was a disappointing result for real madrid even in the absence of karim benzema they should have done better, they have more experience players than barcelona so the result should not have been so. Barcelona has improved alot under Xavi's management and they prepared well ahead for real madrid, they deserve to win yesterday. Real madrid should do better against chelsea in their champions league clash else they will loose to them just like last season.

Actually, that was a pretty big ""blip"" in my opinion. I don't think even they thought that they were not going to lose against Barcelona at least in this season.

But, they did and that was also by a humiliating result. The defense looped absolutely dumb about what was happening and the headed goals seemed like the attackers were absolutely unmarked. Free headers and Attackers converted with ease. I really don't think that people have any doubt about the capability of Barcelona from now on.

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Quote from: 3meek on March 21, 2022, 02:20:45 PM

The chances of an English club becoming a Champions League winner are very high... No doubt that Man City and Liverpool should play in the semi-finals! With Chelsea and Real Madrid there are doubts, but I think Real Madrid have a better chance of winning... Chelsea aren't having the best of times right now... Although it would be fun if they could get to the semi-finals too! Then it would be Bayern competing against three English teams...

I think you said it all nicely, most of us think the same, Liverpool goes further through Benfica and City through Atletico, but can there be any surprises? Atletico plays nice football and have a nice string of victories behind them, self-confidence is at a level, and if anyone can surprise it might be them!
Nobody is talking about Villareal, it seems to everyone that it's a finished game and that Bayern has moved on! They are obviously a much stronger team with more experience, and maybe for Villarreal, the quarterfinals are a good success already!?
Chelsea is in some administrative problems due to this war situation, but the guys are playing good football, if they beat Real and move on, maybe the selling price will increase!?
I expect interesting matches, we saw some nice surprises in the last round, so I believe we will see another one, the question is which one!?

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The chances of an English club becoming a Champions League winner are very high... No doubt that Man City and Liverpool should play in the semi-finals! With Chelsea and Real Madrid there are doubts, but I think Real Madrid have a better chance of winning... Chelsea aren't having the best of times right now... Although it would be fun if they could get to the semi-finals too! Then it would be Bayern competing against three English teams...

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Quote from: buwaytress on March 21, 2022, 04:24:03 AM

^ Come on guys, you really think Real gets distracted for a blip in La Liga? They probably knew they were coming into that game with their weakest side in years against a resurgent Barca. And they would happily have rested Benzema even if he were half-fit, in preparation for Chelsea.

Chelsea are the favourites, and rightly so, but Real have experience and streetsmarts. Way too much of both to be affected by the El Clasico sidequest.

It was a disappointing result for real madrid even in the absence of karim benzema they should have done better, they have more experience players than barcelona so the result should not have been so. Barcelona has improved alot under Xavi's management and they prepared well ahead for real madrid, they deserve to win yesterday. Real madrid should do better against chelsea in their champions league clash else they will loose to them just like last season.

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Quote from: Davian144 on March 20, 2022, 09:14:50 PM

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Chelsea is a team that should not be underestimated. They recently won the Champions League, and in that season they were definitely not favorites to win the tournament. What they showed in the tournament then was very convincing. Didn't they easily win at Real Madrid with 0-1 or 0-2? That should have been 0-4 then. And in London 0-0 I seem to remember. Real didn't stand a chance against this roughly comparable team in those 2 games.

Now things are different at every club including the coach too, like the current Real Madrid coach Carlo Ancelotti who has a lot of experience in drafting players for the Champions League and that has been proven in the past before Zidane became Real Madrid coach last season.
So obviously there will be a difference for this season at Real Madrid even though what Real Madrid are up against is last season's trophy winners.

Coach making huge difference in the game.Most of fans opinion was Carlo,he was gifted to the Madrid team.He was in the top most list of world coach.His best was the drafting of players to the Champions League.Madrid was favorite team for most of the people.Now the captain for the team also changed with top most man.So they will win the trophy for sure.

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Quote from: CryptoPanda on March 21, 2022, 12:33:30 PM

The champion's league tie against Chelsea will not be easy but I believe Chelsea will win because they are quite dynamic than Real Madrid, I doubt if Madrid or most of these top team can go through what Chelsea is going through and still put out top performances, winning games. This Chelsea's side will cruise past this current Madrid to be very honest.

Chelsa's performance has been fantastic when compared to Real Madrid. If you look at their performance in PL, yes consistent wins equally as strong as Liverpool. Yes Liverpool is bit far from Chelsa with their top performance setting up its own record at the table. But yes Real Madrid is not a easy team to win the match but yes its going to be a real fight at quarter final .

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The champion's league tie against Chelsea will not be easy but I believe Chelsea will win because they are quite dynamic than Real Madrid, I doubt if Madrid or most of these top team can go through what Chelsea is going through and still put out top performances, winning games. This Chelsea's side will cruise past this current Madrid to be very honest.

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Quote from: boltz on March 20, 2022, 12:22:15 PM

Just a quick reminder to everyone :

Real Madrid never beat Chelsea in an official international playoff competition so maybe this year they can break the curse ? To be honest , Chelsea can play the best football in the world when they want so it's really up to their players if they want to win or not.

When it comes to Real Madrid , we all know that they can win against anyone no matter what squad they have ...it's simple in their ADN as a football club.

An interesting fact, I think Real Madrid has every chance to break this "pattern" (although I initially do not believe in such patterns on a historical scale - these are just coincidences). Real Madrid are on the rise, and Chelsea are in crisis, so I rate Real Madrid as the favorite in this pair.

Quote from: buwaytress on March 21, 2022, 04:24:03 AM

^ Come on guys, you really think Real gets distracted for a blip in La Liga? They probably knew they were coming into that game with their weakest side in years against a resurgent Barca. And they would happily have rested Benzema even if he were half-fit, in preparation for Chelsea.

Chelsea are the favourites, and rightly so, but Real have experience and streetsmarts. Way too much of both to be affected by the El Clasico sidequest.

Yes, it was not a particularly important match for Real Madrid, so it is difficult to draw any conclusions based on this. In addition, I think the result is rather a coaching mistake by Ancelotti. From this defeat, Real should draw useful conclusions for themselves (at least they will not overestimate themselves).

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Quote from: Davian144 on March 20, 2022, 09:14:50 PM

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Chelsea is a team that should not be underestimated. They recently won the Champions League, and in that season they were definitely not favorites to win the tournament. What they showed in the tournament then was very convincing. Didn't they easily win at Real Madrid with 0-1 or 0-2? That should have been 0-4 then. And in London 0-0 I seem to remember. Real didn't stand a chance against this roughly comparable team in those 2 games.

Now things are different at every club including the coach too, like the current Real Madrid coach Carlo Ancelotti who has a lot of experience in drafting players for the Champions League and that has been proven in the past before Zidane became Real Madrid coach last season.
So obviously there will be a difference for this season at Real Madrid even though what Real Madrid are up against is last season's trophy winners.

Experience is an important factor now because indeed with experience here at least they can understand better what to do but on the other hand talking about coaching of course Tuchel also knows how this will be dealt with.
He is one of the best coaches right now in my opinion and his experience at UCL cannot even be underestimated. Last season, Chelsea was unseeded to win the title and it is possible that the opportunity is still there now, although I would prefer Madrid to continue to progress.

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My expectation from the Chelsea - Real Madrid draw is that Real Madrid can move Chelsea out of this tournament this time. They had a bad experience against Chelsea last season. I don't think that the history will repeat itself here. We are all seeing a much stronger Real Madrid in this season until this point. We all saw how they destroyed PSG despite being in a bad situation first. And I don't see the same Chelsea in this season. I don't feel like they can eliminate Real Madrid once again by this level of performance.

Real Madrid has been lost in El Classico Laliga. Will it also give influence to the mental of the players? Although maybe they purposely did not play hard because they want to save their power to play against Chelsea.
But exactly, bot Real Madrid and Chelsea are a big clubs, they may be drawn in the first leg, but something interesting and surprising may be also existed during the game and probably will be a surprising result of the game. At least, they must let all power to face each other in the field and to prove wihc one is better

I would like to see how Real Madrid would have destroyed Paris Saint-Germain if it hadn't been for Donnarumma's dude trick and the subsequent collapse of the entire game of the club from Paris Wink

Also, a lot will depend on whether Benzema will participate in the match, because Real Madrid with Benzema and Real Madrid without Benzema are two big differences and the current El Classico showed all this with great clarity. Therefore, for me personally, the result of the match between Real Madrid and Chelsea is by no means obvious, despite the bright victory of Real Madrid in the match with Paris Saint-Germain, which until a certain time was also by no means obvious.

Real Madrid will stay beat PSG again even if they fix that tie for 10 more times, it was obvious that Real Madrid were more experienced in approaching games of that magnitude compared to the PSG side whose coach is even a glorified average coach. It could be true that this Real Madrid is just a Swansea team without Benzema because they obviously struggles when he's not playing but for the El classico, I think they didn't expect Barcelona to be that good.

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Quote from: buwaytress on March 21, 2022, 04:24:03 AM

^ Come on guys, you really think Real gets distracted for a blip in La Liga? They probably knew they were coming into that game with their weakest side in years against a resurgent Barca. And they would happily have rested Benzema even if he were half-fit, in preparation for Chelsea.

Chelsea are the favourites, and rightly so, but Real have experience and streetsmarts. Way too much of both to be affected by the El Clasico sidequest.

They had same experience but couldn't win over Barcelona.
Repeating the same thing for Chelsea will be very embarrassing as they will be knocked out once more by the same team in two years.
Despite all the happenings, Chelsea are a very focused team and still hitting the hammer on the nail.

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Nah. It not everyone wants to see the surprises you guys wish for especially people like me who place a bet on the less chance club to lose the game and just like ropyu1978 it is difficult to defeat the big club....

Yes betting on the underdog with juicy odds is definitely part of the wish for an upset. It's also called an upset or surprise for the very reason that it won't be easy. A "David vs Goliath" match is a good story to tell and sell to fans.

You seem not to understand my point because I was not betting on the underdog, I was betting against them and I don't want them to surprise me either. Thats the reason why I told the previous user that it's not everybody that wants any form of surprise party from the underdog and sure most gamblers that bet on the game also want the same thing.

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I already have my favourites for the semi-finals after seeing the draws for the quarter-finals. I think that Liverpool, Manchester City, Real Madrid and Bayern Munich are very likely to reach next round. Benfica did a huge job by eliminating Ajax but I'm afraid this is the end of the road. And Manchester City wouldn't make a big mistake against Atletico Madrid too. Atletico Madrid have reached this round because of Manchester United's bad look. Chelsea - Real Madrid is a really tough matchup but I believe Real Madrid are better now. And Bayern Munich would finish Villarreal off as well.

Bayern Munich have the easiest opponent especially considering the squad available for the German giants as well as their position in the table. That's where I have conflicting ideas about city v athletico. City won't underestimate athletico however I feel they may be surprised at how well they work as a unit. Clearly shown against United. But then again, man City are a different class comapared to Manchester United and will no doubt be passing it in the final third making many chances which no doubt they have the talent to take. The issue for pep will be with 9 games left in the premier league, he may win them both, or he could lose them both. Liverpool will make quick work there attack is too strong. With all the Russian drama at the moment Chelsea will have something to fight for and will put up a fight. But I feel that come the second leg, real will adapt and win the tie. Looking forward to it

I didn't say so much thing about the Chelsea - Real Madrid draw. As I said before, I see Real Madrid being one step ahead of Chelsea to advance currently. But you have a good point there too as this big incident about Abramovich can motivate Chelsea to eliminate their competitors one by one too. But this time won't be that easy for Chelsea. In the last season of the Champions League, Real Madrid were playing really desperately against them. And their general look also wasn't that good. But now, there is a completely new Real Madrid.

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Chelsea has a better chance in the champion league but because of the many sanctions facing the club owner and the club because of their Russian involvement it weak the club morale in the premier league that being said Chelsea stands a better chance to take home the trophy.

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Quote from: BuNga_cute on March 21, 2022, 01:14:43 AM

With Messi, Neymar, Mbappe and others, we all agree that PSG is a strong team. But the fact is that a strong team with many star players may
not necessarily win, because what's interesting about football is that it takes solid cooperation between players in order to win. This has not been
owned by PSG so far, Pochettino in my opinion failed to make the star players at PSG able to work well together. So it's not surprising that PSG
were finally knocked out of the Champions League.

While Real Madrid has good cooperation between one player and another. But the problem with Real Madrid is they depend too much on Benzema
to score goals. So like you said if Chelsea defenders are able to stop Benzema there is a chance Chelsea can beat Real Madrid. And I'm sure with
Tuchel's experience, he knows that too and will order Chelsea players to limit the movement of Benzema. Actually, both Chelsea and Real Madrid
have the same chance to win, because both have almost the same quality of players. But why do I prefer Real Madrid, because Real Madrid has
a history of winning the Champions League more and that's what makes the mentality of Real Madrid players stronger than Chelsea.

I don't think the manager is the problem. Pochettino cannot be blamed everything. We have heard rumours of the fractions in the dressing room, the south American and the European fraction. The Psg players do not have a good relationship with one another
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Quote from: bhooscream on March 21, 2022, 05:55:10 AM

Quote from: zidanw on March 20, 2022, 06:02:00 PM

Chelsea is a team that should not be underestimated. They recently won the Champions League, and in that season they were definitely not favorites to win the tournament.

Who underestimates Chelsea? Don't you understand what I wrote above? Roll Eyes

If you read deeply, you must know if I appreciate the current performance of Chelsea. What we saw, Chelsea is getting stronger once all injured players have returned and played regularly again. It is a clear warning for Real Madrid players to anticipate a surprising performance of Chelsea in this round. Moreover, Real Madrid has just been defeated by Barcelona in La Liga (0-4), I doubt it will make their mentality a bit decrease.

We should appreciate Thomas Tuchel for giving encouragement to Chelsea players in the midst of the sanctions they have received in football this season, even though Real Madrid are currently on fire in the European arena but they are still at the top of the La Liga standings even though this morning they were defeated by rivals Barcelona 0-4 in El Clasico, but the meeting between the two is very interesting for us to look forward to in the Champions League quarter-finals in April

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Quote from: zidanw on March 20, 2022, 06:02:00 PM

Chelsea is a team that should not be underestimated. They recently won the Champions League, and in that season they were definitely not favorites to win the tournament.

Who underestimates Chelsea? Don't you understand what I wrote above? Roll Eyes

If you read deeply, you must know if I appreciate the current performance of Chelsea. What we saw, Chelsea is getting stronger once all injured players have returned and played regularly again. It is a clear warning for Real Madrid players to anticipate a surprising performance of Chelsea in this round. Moreover, Real Madrid has just been defeated by Barcelona in La Liga (0-4), I doubt it will make their mentality a bit decrease.

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