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November 18, 2021, 05:59:59 PM
Barcelona - Benfica is a game that I wonder about the result of. If their current manager was still Ronald Koeman, I wouldn't be curious about it much. Because I already remember the result of the Benfica - Barcelona game before this one. Barcelona were terrible in that game and got a big defeat. But this time, things are different. Xavi is in charge from now on. I hope to see substantial changes as soon as possible. And I hope that they can win this game also.
Barcelona was indeed very terrible under the leadership of Koeman, but they now have a new Coach (Xavi). Who we are hoping can get Barcelona back on track, but I think that will take some time. So, I don't expect much from Barcelona against Benfica. Although, despite beating Barcelona in their last encounter with a whopping 3-0 score, Barcelona are presently in a good position than Benfica in the Champion League. But, I believe Xavi will bring something positive to the club. Am looking forward to see how Barcelona plays this match.
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November 18, 2021, 05:25:51 PM
Maybe Xavi can follow the example of how Tuchel keeps Chelsea productive in scoring goals even without a pure striker, if Xavi can do that too then I think for sure Xavi will succeed in bringing Barcelona to the title track again
It is not fair to compare Xavi and Tuchel as well as Barcelona and Chelsea. They are different coaches and have different experience in top levels before they took over the coach position in Chelsea and Barcelona.

Tuchel had some success and more experience than Xavi. Furthermore, Chelsea had better condition and player resource than what Barcelona have now. Xavi debuts in Barcelona with no experience as a coach at top level and the general conditions in Barcelona are worse than that of Chelsea last year.
Interestingly I would say Barcelona is in a lot better shape than Chelsea right now, not because Chelsea is doing badly or Barcelona is doing good, we all know that is exactly the opposite.

However, Tuchel is in a lot more trouble if he doesn't do well, because he is expected to do well and he can't spend too much money on players neither, it would be very risky for him to spend a lot and then keep on losing. Whereas Xavi has no pressure, he replaced an unsuccessful manager, he is not expected to do well at all, he is expected to do badly but just better and he is expected to do quite well compared to Koeman and he can achieve that very easily.
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November 18, 2021, 05:21:18 PM
Maybe Xavi can follow the example of how Tuchel keeps Chelsea productive in scoring goals even without a pure striker, if Xavi can do that too then I think for sure Xavi will succeed in bringing Barcelona to the title track again
It is not fair to compare Xavi and Tuchel as well as Barcelona and Chelsea. They are different coaches and have different experience in top levels before they took over the coach position in Chelsea and Barcelona.

Tuchel had some success and more experience than Xavi. Furthermore, Chelsea had better condition and player resource than what Barcelona have now. Xavi debuts in Barcelona with no experience as a coach at top level and the general conditions in Barcelona are worse than that of Chelsea last year.
And not only that, it is not a secret that Barcelona is facing huge economic issues which means that if we assume Xavi can keep his job for some years that he will need to make do with whatever he can get, this means his job is going to be many times harder as not only he will need to maintain the prestige that Barcelona has gotten over the years but he will also need to do this while having a limited budget to bring new stars to the team.
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November 18, 2021, 03:06:23 PM
Barcelona - Benfica is a game that I wonder about the result of. If their current manager was still Ronald Koeman, I wouldn't be curious about it much. Because I already remember the result of the Benfica - Barcelona game before this one. Barcelona were terrible in that game and got a big defeat. But this time, things are different. Xavi is in charge from now on. I hope to see substantial changes as soon as possible. And I hope that they can win this game also.
It's not really clear what to expect from Barcelona right now. The players in the team remained the same, there was no any updates, but we also know many examples when the whole problem was in the psychology of the players. Here, a lot will really depend on Xavi, how strong a tactician and psychologist he is, how much he knows how to work with players. Benfica is an excellent opponent to check if there are any changes in the team, or everything remains the same.
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November 18, 2021, 02:47:48 PM
actually, it's not so important for both clubs because they guaranteed the places in the next stage. there is only question which team will take the 1st spot and who will take the 2nd.
It can be said that the main mission of the competing clubs is to qualify for the next round, but as much as possible they will aim for the grup winner as their last position in an elimination grup, as group winners of course they have the opportunity to avoid other teams who also end up as other group winners and that way at least the group winner will most likely face a team that ends up as a runner-up in another group and has the potential to meet a weaker club later.
Of course, the main goal of any team in the Champions League is always to reach the next stage of the tournament and therefore success or failure is determined, but this can only be for teams that do not claim more. But if the team claims more, then winning the first place in the group can give the team the necessary confidence and, at least on paper, ensure that the opponent gets easier. Because it is unlikely that the same Manchester City or Paris Saint-Germain want to get Bayern or Liverpool in the first round of the playoffs. Therefore, you can rely on your strength as much as you like and say that you still need to beat everyone on the way to the finals, but it's still better to protect yourself a little if there is at least some opportunity for this.

Indeed what you say is very true, if some teams will actually try to come out as top of the group to avoid meeting a strong opponent, but sometimes they actually meet runners up who are even stronger than themselves, just like this season, we can see if many the runner-up team that is even stronger than the group winners so that it has the potential to be very surprising later in the round of 16.
I see this season maybe only the runners up and group G winners look a little weak and in fact the other groups have almost equal strength between the first and second positions.
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November 18, 2021, 02:43:47 PM
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I also really hope that chelsea can secure the three points, according to my prediction chelsea is able to beat juventus, because chelsea has versatile players and has players who want to work hard, especially later they play at home, it will definitely add their motivation to get a win ..
Chelsea will likely revenge its defeat against Juve last time imo. I checked odds in bookies and Chelsea seems favorite and backed by many bettors too.
BTW both teams have quite challenging games in their league before and after their match so they will not rotate players and they have to avoid unnecessary injuries for main players Wink
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November 18, 2021, 02:34:26 PM
Barcelona - Benfica is a game that I wonder about the result of. If their current manager was still Ronald Koeman, I wouldn't be curious about it much. Because I already remember the result of the Benfica - Barcelona game before this one. Barcelona were terrible in that game and got a big defeat. But this time, things are different. Xavi is in charge from now on. I hope to see substantial changes as soon as possible. And I hope that they can win this game also.
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November 18, 2021, 02:23:21 PM
actually, it's not so important for both clubs because they guaranteed the places in the next stage. there is only question which team will take the 1st spot and who will take the 2nd.
It can be said that the main mission of the competing clubs is to qualify for the next round, but as much as possible they will aim for the grup winner as their last position in an elimination grup, as group winners of course they have the opportunity to avoid other teams who also end up as other group winners and that way at least the group winner will most likely face a team that ends up as a runner-up in another group and has the potential to meet a weaker club later.
Of course, the main goal of any team in the Champions League is always to reach the next stage of the tournament and therefore success or failure is determined, but this can only be for teams that do not claim more. But if the team claims more, then winning the first place in the group can give the team the necessary confidence and, at least on paper, ensure that the opponent gets easier. Because it is unlikely that the same Manchester City or Paris Saint-Germain want to get Bayern or Liverpool in the first round of the playoffs. Therefore, you can rely on your strength as much as you like and say that you still need to beat everyone on the way to the finals, but it's still better to protect yourself a little if there is at least some opportunity for this.

Yes, and I am sure that the teams are aware of that and they will surely try to be in the first place rather than anything. It is true that you do have to beat everyone on the way to the finals. But it is always better to face at least One less strong team if you can.
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November 18, 2021, 02:11:37 PM
So far Xavi's problem is that don't have the forward qualified on the front, Luuk de jong is underperforming while lord Braithwaite and Aguero are still having problems with stamina. what he can do now is work which exists team, that makes him thinking what formation he can use.
There is not much reason to say Barcelona can win the match unless Depay, Coutinho and Dembele play well throughout the match. Depay shone with his country where he has now scored several goals during the world cup qualifiers while Dembele has not been able to fully give hope as he has only had a few minute after recovering from injury. I hope for some good news ahead of the game, but let's see what Xavi and the players can do when they meet Espanyol this week.
its safe to say Depay is currently at his peak of his career and will perform to his best of his abilities to help Barcelona to win games... on one condition which is : he must not be injured anytime soon, but i cant say the same for Coutinho and Dembele . Btw Xavi heading the time could have an effect of change of mindset for the boys and this fixture against Espanyol should bring another win for the team.


@Woodie I probably don't think that Barcelona will have too many problems beating Espanyol. And I do hope that all the players stay fit as Barcelona cannot afford to have injuries in the squad right now. Actually, they can barely effort anything right now, lol.
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November 18, 2021, 12:43:46 PM
Maybe Xavi can follow the example of how Tuchel keeps Chelsea productive in scoring goals even without a pure striker, if Xavi can do that too then I think for sure Xavi will succeed in bringing Barcelona to the title track again. In such difficult conditions, the coach should not be spoiled for getting players in their pure position, because in a match a player can be placed in a different position as well and the coach will certainly be able to maximize the skills they have as well.
I know Xavi has the option of playing one of the forward from Barcelona B if needed, but if Coutinho, Depay and Dembele can be played then I think it will be enough to finish his first job at Barcelona. Koeman has tried to play Sergino Dest on the wing before and that has worked for a few games, but he still appears to have not fully recovered from his injury. Sergi Barjuan failed to win his first game at Barcelona as interim coach, but I hope Xavi can do that since his inaugural match vs Espanyol.

I think Barcelona has enough forward players. But to me, the mid-field is the weakest link of Barcelona. And it is normal for us to feel that way as we are used to seeing a great midfield comp like Xavi-Iniesta-Busquets or Iniesta-Busquets-Rakitich. I hope Xavi can bring out the best of this team with the players he has.
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November 18, 2021, 10:53:16 AM
Maybe Xavi can follow the example of how Tuchel keeps Chelsea productive in scoring goals even without a pure striker, if Xavi can do that too then I think for sure Xavi will succeed in bringing Barcelona to the title track again. In such difficult conditions, the coach should not be spoiled for getting players in their pure position, because in a match a player can be placed in a different position as well and the coach will certainly be able to maximize the skills they have as well.
I know Xavi has the option of playing one of the forward from Barcelona B if needed, but if Coutinho, Depay and Dembele can be played then I think it will be enough to finish his first job at Barcelona. Koeman has tried to play Sergino Dest on the wing before and that has worked for a few games, but he still appears to have not fully recovered from his injury. Sergi Barjuan failed to win his first game at Barcelona as interim coach, but I hope Xavi can do that since his inaugural match vs Espanyol.

its safe to say Depay is currently at his peak of his career and will perform to his best of his abilities to help Barcelona to win games... on one condition which is : he must not be injured anytime soon, but i cant say the same for Coutinho and Dembele . Btw Xavi heading the time could have an effect of change of mindset for the boys and this fixture against Espanyol should bring another win for the team.
Winning is my biggest hope right now for Xavi's first game as Barcelona coach, but it won't be easy.
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November 18, 2021, 07:12:16 AM
So far Xavi's problem is that don't have the forward qualified on the front, Luuk de jong is underperforming while lord Braithwaite and Aguero are still having problems with stamina. what he can do now is work which exists team, that makes him thinking what formation he can use.
There is not much reason to say Barcelona can win the match unless Depay, Coutinho and Dembele play well throughout the match. Depay shone with his country where he has now scored several goals during the world cup qualifiers while Dembele has not been able to fully give hope as he has only had a few minute after recovering from injury. I hope for some good news ahead of the game, but let's see what Xavi and the players can do when they meet Espanyol this week.
its safe to say Depay is currently at his peak of his career and will perform to his best of his abilities to help Barcelona to win games... on one condition which is : he must not be injured anytime soon, but i cant say the same for Coutinho and Dembele . Btw Xavi heading the time could have an effect of change of mindset for the boys and this fixture against Espanyol should bring another win for the team.


There is less than one week left for the Barcelona - Benfica match. Barcelona have made an important change lately. They have brought Xavi to the team as their manager. We will see if they did the right thing or not in the future. But if Barcelona succeed in defeating Espanyol in the La Liga first, I see that they have a big chance against Benfica too. And I hope that they get better soon.

I guess this will be another great test of the team to see if the team has been patched up with this change of managers , but then again if you think about it its not the manager at fault its the players themselves who need to up their game , so nothing really has changed here  Roll Eyes. My prediction Barca 1-1 Benfica , only because of Xavi otherwise Benfica should win here....




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November 18, 2021, 06:51:32 AM
Maybe Xavi can follow the example of how Tuchel keeps Chelsea productive in scoring goals even without a pure striker, if Xavi can do that too then I think for sure Xavi will succeed in bringing Barcelona to the title track again
It is not fair to compare Xavi and Tuchel as well as Barcelona and Chelsea. They are different coaches and have different experience in top levels before they took over the coach position in Chelsea and Barcelona.

Tuchel had some success and more experience than Xavi. Furthermore, Chelsea had better condition and player resource than what Barcelona have now. Xavi debuts in Barcelona with no experience as a coach at top level and the general conditions in Barcelona are worse than that of Chelsea last year.

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In such difficult conditions, the coach should not be spoiled for getting players in their pure position, because in a match a player can be placed in a different position as well and the coach will certainly be able to maximize the skills they have as well.
New coaches come can help players to refresh their minds then they can play with more energy and can bring a better result in short term. Long term, if that new coach makes players under stressful conditions again or create internal conflicts again, results will be back to bad.
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November 18, 2021, 06:13:01 AM
Chelsea - Juventus game is going to be really important for both of these teams. If Juventus manage to draw with Chelsea at least, it will be enough for Juventus to guarantee their leadership and they will promote as the leader. Because they defeated Chelsea by 1-0 before. Consequently, Chelsea have no other choice than winning this game. And in Stamford Bridge, I believe that they are in a very advantageous position. We know how tough Juventus are when it comes to their defense. But I still expect Chelsea to have the control of the game through the whole game and defeat their opponent to be able to take the lead.

I also really hope that chelsea can secure the three points, according to my prediction chelsea is able to beat juventus, because chelsea has versatile players and has players who want to work hard, especially later they play at home, it will definitely add their motivation to get a win ..
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November 18, 2021, 12:48:35 AM
So far Xavi's problem is that don't have the forward qualified on the front, Luuk de jong is underperforming while lord Braithwaite and Aguero are still having problems with stamina. what he can do now is work which exists team, that makes him thinking what formation he can use.
There is not much reason to say Barcelona can win the match unless Depay, Coutinho and Dembele play well throughout the match. Depay shone with his country where he has now scored several goals during the world cup qualifiers while Dembele has not been able to fully give hope as he has only had a few minute after recovering from injury. I hope for some good news ahead of the game, but let's see what Xavi and the players can do when they meet Espanyol this week.
Maybe Xavi can follow the example of how Tuchel keeps Chelsea productive in scoring goals even without a pure striker, if Xavi can do that too then I think for sure Xavi will succeed in bringing Barcelona to the title track again. In such difficult conditions, the coach should not be spoiled for getting players in their pure position, because in a match a player can be placed in a different position as well and the coach will certainly be able to maximize the skills they have as well.
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November 17, 2021, 09:42:16 PM
So far Xavi's problem is that don't have the forward qualified on the front, Luuk de jong is underperforming while lord Braithwaite and Aguero are still having problems with stamina. what he can do now is work which exists team, that makes him thinking what formation he can use.
There is not much reason to say Barcelona can win the match unless Depay, Coutinho and Dembele play well throughout the match. Depay shone with his country where he has now scored several goals during the world cup qualifiers while Dembele has not been able to fully give hope as he has only had a few minute after recovering from injury. I hope for some good news ahead of the game, but let's see what Xavi and the players can do when they meet Espanyol this week.
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November 17, 2021, 08:01:28 PM
There is less than one week left for the Barcelona - Benfica match. Barcelona have made an important change lately. They have brought Xavi to the team as their manager. We will see if they did the right thing or not in the future. But if Barcelona succeed in defeating Espanyol in the La Liga first, I see that they have a big chance against Benfica too. And I hope that they get better soon.
I actually also hope Barcelona starts playing like the team we all knew in the past, but I'm afraid, they may not be able to do so just yet, even with the signing of Xavi as new head coach of the team, Xavi will prolly bring something to the team, maybe a new tactics and pattern of play, but the fact remains that Barcelona needs new players of very good quality before they can return to their former position both in the Spanish league and in the CL.
Barcelona playing at home that possible they will work hard for this (avoid the shamed), this is also an important match who qualified in the next round. If they lost, they will get hard work to win in Allianz Arena after this. So far Xavi's problem is that don't have the forward qualified on the front, Luuk de jong is underperforming while lord Braithwaite and Aguero are still having problems with stamina. what he can do now is work which exists team, that makes him thinking what formation he can use.
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November 17, 2021, 07:59:26 PM
actually, it's not so important for both clubs because they guaranteed the places in the next stage. there is only question which team will take the 1st spot and who will take the 2nd.
It can be said that the main mission of the competing clubs is to qualify for the next round, but as much as possible they will aim for the grup winner as their last position in an elimination grup, as group winners of course they have the opportunity to avoid other teams who also end up as other group winners and that way at least the group winner will most likely face a team that ends up as a runner-up in another group and has the potential to meet a weaker club later.
Of course, the main goal of any team in the Champions League is always to reach the next stage of the tournament and therefore success or failure is determined, but this can only be for teams that do not claim more. But if the team claims more, then winning the first place in the group can give the team the necessary confidence and, at least on paper, ensure that the opponent gets easier. Because it is unlikely that the same Manchester City or Paris Saint-Germain want to get Bayern or Liverpool in the first round of the playoffs. Therefore, you can rely on your strength as much as you like and say that you still need to beat everyone on the way to the finals, but it's still better to protect yourself a little if there is at least some opportunity for this.
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November 17, 2021, 07:17:03 PM
Winning and losing in this match will not change anything, there are only two matches left which means these two teams will still qualify. For example, maybe we assume PSG lost here and Club Brugge won and thus, their points are 8 and 7. Then, in the last match PSG will play at home against Club Brugge, we assume the result is a draw and their points will be 9 and 8, right. So, whatever result in the match Manchester City - PSG does not change anything in the standings of this group, their position will remain like that until the end. Even though PSG can win against Manchester City tomorrow, it's still these two teams that will qualify too, of course, unless Club Brugge can win in these last two matches then Club Brugge will certainly qualify. I'm not sure PSG will give up easily at home in the last match because the opponent is only Club Brugge, which it looks like PSG will still win in the last match against Club Brugge later.
It is 100% guaranteed in my mind that City and PSG will go to next stage, I do not believe that there is any possibility that Bruge would go to next stage. It is sad to see Leipzig doing that badly, that is the only thing that shocked me this year, they are not doing well in bundesliga as well, manager really does make a big difference.

In any case I assume that we will see City and PSG on next stage and then also another stage for sure, quarter finals is where things "may" get serious depending on your draw, but aside from that nothing really changes for these teams, hell maybe they could get some lucky draw on quarter finals as well who knows. They are not even working too hard right now neither, because they know they could get it done. Let's see how things could change, but at the moment it is going to be basically exactly this ranking by the end.
Yes, that's for sure, I've previously only answered those who said there might be something different like Club Brugge that might come as a surprise. In my view, although in this group there are no confirmed teams like Liverpool, Ajax, Bayern Munich and Juventus but still, City and PSG can definitely qualify in this group, because on the one hand they are also a big team and also, the difference in points those with Club Brugge can be quite far away. So, I say win or lose for any team in the City - PSG match, basically they will still qualify and I have no doubts about that.
Seeing from their current position, it's true what you said, they have been one of the favorites from the start to qualify for the next round.
and even if club brugge became the dark horse, in the end they both would advance to the next phase.
Their chances are very strong from the start until now and it will be very difficult for both teams like club brugge and leipzig who have no hope of shifting them from the start is like an impossible mission.
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November 17, 2021, 07:13:11 PM
There is less than one week left for the Barcelona - Benfica match. Barcelona have made an important change lately. They have brought Xavi to the team as their manager. We will see if they did the right thing or not in the future. But if Barcelona succeed in defeating Espanyol in the La Liga first, I see that they have a big chance against Benfica too. And I hope that they get better soon.

Major impact from Xavi's return to Barcelona, expecting a much better and focused team making the right decisions rather than safe decisions.
A good chance to win Espanyol and Benfica, when it comes to Bayern Munich I don't have anything to say not until that time finally arrives.
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