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Quote from: coderben on November 17, 2021, 03:27:16 PM

There is less than one week left for the Barcelona - Benfica match. Barcelona have made an important change lately. They have brought Xavi to the team as their manager. We will see if they did the right thing or not in the future. But if Barcelona succeed in defeating Espanyol in the La Liga first, I see that they have a big chance against Benfica too. And I hope that they get better soon.

I actually also hope Barcelona starts playing like the team we all knew in the past, but I'm afraid, they may not be able to do so just yet, even with the signing of Xavi as new head coach of the team, Xavi will prolly bring something to the team, maybe a new tactics and pattern of play, but the fact remains that Barcelona needs new players of very good quality before they can return to their former position both in the Spanish league and in the CL.

Having said that, Barcelona have a must win game against Benefica, a game that ordinarily you'll expect them to win in the past, but due to their poor form of late, it's very possible they can lose this reverse fixture, just as they did the first (3-0), though in my opinion, I believe Barcelona would find victories in any way possible in their remaining two games, they have never been accustomed to playing in the Europa league and they would obviously want to maintain that impeccable standard.

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Quote from: coderben on November 17, 2021, 03:27:16 PM

There is less than one week left for the Barcelona - Benfica match. Barcelona have made an important change lately. They have brought Xavi to the team as their manager. We will see if they did the right thing or not in the future. But if Barcelona succeed in defeating Espanyol in the La Liga first, I see that they have a big chance against Benfica too. And I hope that they get better soon.

An important match Barcelona vs Benfica for Xavi to bring Barcelona to stay in the champions league because this will compete at Camp Nou then this opportunity must be made into a victory and Xavi will definitely try to win with the maximum, I think with strict discipline and also solid these players can be on top with Benfica.

Bayern vs Barcelona is a match that will be difficult for Xavi, however I don't think Xavi will be strong enough to win in the current situation, so if he loses to Benfica then the next opportunity is only the European league.

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There is less than one week left for the Barcelona - Benfica match. Barcelona have made an important change lately. They have brought Xavi to the team as their manager. We will see if they did the right thing or not in the future. But if Barcelona succeed in defeating Espanyol in the La Liga first, I see that they have a big chance against Benfica too. And I hope that they get better soon.

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Quote from: masulum on November 16, 2021, 08:50:21 AM

Quote from: DU18 on November 15, 2021, 09:46:25 AM

In my opinion, the treatment that Ole is currently receiving at Manchester is very different from that received by the previous Manchester coaches, and even a coach like Mourinho who was able to award the League Cup, and the Europa League to Manchester during his time, was not given a second chance at all by the managemen and they immediately fired him and replaced him with Ole, unlike the case with Ole who was not able to provide achievements for manchester united, but they continue to maintain it until now.
Bro @masulum as we all know if all this time Alex Fergusson has been very supportive of Ole, is it possible that Fergusson's influence has made the Manchester management still keep Ole today?

This is an hot issue i think, so i decide to tried to find articles related to this, and i found several articles, like this one, there was says if Sir Fergie behind Ole who continued to manage the red devil. In several articles, Sir Alex met with Ole even facing the MU board to prevent Ole's dismissal despite losing 5-0 vs liverpool few weeks back. This seems to be the reason all along, why Ole remains at Manchester United, even he getting bad results. If Fergie believed in Ole, maybe he would slowly give education and share his "secrets" of his strategy to Ole.

I think the only problem here is not Sir Fergie, let us not underrate what Manchester United ex players can do. I think they are the biggest problem of the club. They will always support their former team mate at the detriment of the club.
Again, are you sure that Sir has not been selling his strategies to Ole and he is unable to implement them?
Sir cannot be defending Ole to remain in Manchester United and yet leave him tacticsless. Well, time will tell.

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Quote from: SquirrelJulietGarden on November 16, 2021, 11:41:50 AM

Quote from: ShowOff on November 16, 2021, 10:45:47 AM

It would be a shame for City or PSG if either of them failed to qualify for the round of 16. Brugge were a surprise in the group but maybe they couldn't do much in the last 2 match. The results of City vs PSG and Brugge vs Leipzig will be decisive, but I also believe that the top two team will qualify.

It is better for all except Brugge and Leipzig if Manchester City and PSG will be qualified for Round of 16. Small clubs can create shocks but they can not manage to go too far. They make shock and enjoy it but at the end, they lose in the next round and most of time lose too easily.
The participation of small clubs make later rounds become less competitive. If am not a fan of small clubs, I would prefer to see big clubs to go next. They will make Champions League more interesting in later rounds.

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Brugge might be able to qualify if they manage to win the remaining 2 match but only if City and PSG lose 2 match in a row, I don't see this scenario going to come true.

Me too. Manchester City and PSG are too strong in this group. They did not win perfectly so far but I think they will know how to pass through the qualification round

This is true that smaller clubs qualified for the next round can make letter rounds a little less competitive but that doesn't mean they will not try or should not try to win. And about Manchester City and PSG, I am sure they are going to qualify. And I am looking forward to seeing Messi's performance in this tournament.

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Quote from: KTChampions on November 16, 2021, 03:26:02 PM

Quote from: nikola22 on November 16, 2021, 01:21:13 PM

Quote from: judas on November 16, 2021, 12:40:07 PM

Chelsea - Juventus game is going to be really important for both of these teams. If Juventus manage to draw with Chelsea at least, it will be enough for Juventus to guarantee their leadership and they will promote as the leader. Because they defeated Chelsea by 1-0 before. Consequently, Chelsea have no other choice than winning this game. And in Stamford Bridge, I believe that they are in a very advantageous position. We know how tough Juventus are when it comes to their defense. But I still expect Chelsea to have the control of the game through the whole game and defeat their opponent to be able to take the lead.

actually, it's not so important for both clubs because they guaranteed the places in the next stage. there is only question which team will take the 1st spot and who will take the 2nd.

If you know the rules of the draw after the group stage, then you know that it is better to take first place than second Wink

It is clear that in most groups it was initially clear which two teams would reach the playoff stage and the distribution of the first two places was somewhat random. But in my opinion, the chances of bumping into a clear top team among the first places compared to the chances of meeting them in second place are distributed as 75 to 25 percent.

^ Yes, I totally agree with this because it has been the case for a long time. The team that comes first can get a more easy opponent than the team coming second. This is not always the case but most of the time this is what happens. So any team would rather finish at the first position and qualify.

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Quote from: nikola22 on November 16, 2021, 01:21:13 PM

actually, it's not so important for both clubs because they guaranteed the places in the next stage. there is only question which team will take the 1st spot and who will take the 2nd.

It can be said that the main mission of the competing clubs is to qualify for the next round, but as much as possible they will aim for the grup winner as their last position in an elimination grup, as group winners of course they have the opportunity to avoid other teams who also end up as other group winners and that way at least the group winner will most likely face a team that ends up as a runner-up in another group and has the potential to meet a weaker club later.

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Quote from: KTChampions on November 16, 2021, 03:26:02 PM

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Quote from: judas on November 16, 2021, 12:40:07 PM

Chelsea - Juventus game is going to be really important for both of these teams. If Juventus manage to draw with Chelsea at least, it will be enough for Juventus to guarantee their leadership and they will promote as the leader. Because they defeated Chelsea by 1-0 before. Consequently, Chelsea have no other choice than winning this game. And in Stamford Bridge, I believe that they are in a very advantageous position. We know how tough Juventus are when it comes to their defense. But I still expect Chelsea to have the control of the game through the whole game and defeat their opponent to be able to take the lead.

actually, it's not so important for both clubs because they guaranteed the places in the next stage. there is only question which team will take the 1st spot and who will take the 2nd.

If you know the rules of the draw after the group stage, then you know that it is better to take first place than second Wink

It is clear that in most groups it was initially clear which two teams would reach the playoff stage and the distribution of the first two places was somewhat random. But in my opinion, the chances of bumping into a clear top team among the first places compared to the chances of meeting them in second place are distributed as 75 to 25 percent.

First place is most better than second place because all second place team will against with first place exactly dominance by greatest club like Liverpool, Bayern, Real Madrid and Manchester City on knock out phase. But they will faced with other country and not in the same country although got first or second place. Waiting left two match to know which one club potential as first place and second place.

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Quote from: AakZaki on November 16, 2021, 12:02:33 PM

Quote from: Daniel91 on November 15, 2021, 06:28:20 AM

I would say Ronaldo is both a blessing and a curse to Manchester United.
The main problem is that Ronaldo doesn't play defense and therefore the cohesion of the team is disrupted, because in defense they have fewer players all the time.
The same problem exists in the Portuguese national team.
In modern football, as I mentioned in another post, all players have to play both defense and attack, and one player can't be more important than the whole team.

Actually I slightly disagree, it all depends on the coach in using his players. Just look at when Ronaldo was in Madrid, did he defend a lot? I do not think so. What I see the problem is in the coach. Ole can't really make Man United have a great mentality. They always look nervous with the ball, they are like amateurs. Moreover, internal problems, it seems to make Man United increasingly uncooperative this season. About against villareal, I doubt they can win. I think the best result is a draw.

Here I agree with your main problem is coach and management they were clearly uncooperative just because of this they are facing some unusual issues and players are also disturbed very badly due to coach's nervous strategy which is he using just for his job not for this great club. If Olé change his some policy and allow players in some aggressive way then surely they can perform some better and results could be also very different because Ronaldo is also having some good impact.
Now their next biggest challenge is Villareal if they lost then surely It's going to have some serious impact on Olé job because in case of lost most chances they could be slipped to Europa Cup which could be big setback.

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Quote from: nikola22 on November 16, 2021, 01:21:13 PM

Quote from: judas on November 16, 2021, 12:40:07 PM

Chelsea - Juventus game is going to be really important for both of these teams. If Juventus manage to draw with Chelsea at least, it will be enough for Juventus to guarantee their leadership and they will promote as the leader. Because they defeated Chelsea by 1-0 before. Consequently, Chelsea have no other choice than winning this game. And in Stamford Bridge, I believe that they are in a very advantageous position. We know how tough Juventus are when it comes to their defense. But I still expect Chelsea to have the control of the game through the whole game and defeat their opponent to be able to take the lead.

actually, it's not so important for both clubs because they guaranteed the places in the next stage. there is only question which team will take the 1st spot and who will take the 2nd.

If you know the rules of the draw after the group stage, then you know that it is better to take first place than second Wink

It is clear that in most groups it was initially clear which two teams would reach the playoff stage and the distribution of the first two places was somewhat random. But in my opinion, the chances of bumping into a clear top team among the first places compared to the chances of meeting them in second place are distributed as 75 to 25 percent.

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Quote from: judas on November 16, 2021, 12:40:07 PM

Chelsea - Juventus game is going to be really important for both of these teams. If Juventus manage to draw with Chelsea at least, it will be enough for Juventus to guarantee their leadership and they will promote as the leader. Because they defeated Chelsea by 1-0 before. Consequently, Chelsea have no other choice than winning this game. And in Stamford Bridge, I believe that they are in a very advantageous position. We know how tough Juventus are when it comes to their defense. But I still expect Chelsea to have the control of the game through the whole game and defeat their opponent to be able to take the lead.

actually, it's not so important for both clubs because they guaranteed the places in the next stage. there is only question which team will take the 1st spot and who will take the 2nd.

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Chelsea - Juventus game is going to be really important for both of these teams. If Juventus manage to draw with Chelsea at least, it will be enough for Juventus to guarantee their leadership and they will promote as the leader. Because they defeated Chelsea by 1-0 before. Consequently, Chelsea have no other choice than winning this game. And in Stamford Bridge, I believe that they are in a very advantageous position. We know how tough Juventus are when it comes to their defense. But I still expect Chelsea to have the control of the game through the whole game and defeat their opponent to be able to take the lead.

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Quote from: Daniel91 on November 15, 2021, 06:28:20 AM

I would say Ronaldo is both a blessing and a curse to Manchester United.
The main problem is that Ronaldo doesn't play defense and therefore the cohesion of the team is disrupted, because in defense they have fewer players all the time.
The same problem exists in the Portuguese national team.
In modern football, as I mentioned in another post, all players have to play both defense and attack, and one player can't be more important than the whole team.

Actually I slightly disagree, it all depends on the coach in using his players. Just look at when Ronaldo was in Madrid, did he defend a lot? I do not think so. What I see the problem is in the coach. Ole can't really make Man United have a great mentality. They always look nervous with the ball, they are like amateurs. Moreover, internal problems, it seems to make Man United increasingly uncooperative this season. About against villareal, I doubt they can win. I think the best result is a draw.

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Quote from: ShowOff on November 16, 2021, 10:45:47 AM

It would be a shame for City or PSG if either of them failed to qualify for the round of 16. Brugge were a surprise in the group but maybe they couldn't do much in the last 2 match. The results of City vs PSG and Brugge vs Leipzig will be decisive, but I also believe that the top two team will qualify.

It is better for all except Brugge and Leipzig if Manchester City and PSG will be qualified for Round of 16. Small clubs can create shocks but they can not manage to go too far. They make shock and enjoy it but at the end, they lose in the next round and most of time lose too easily.

The participation of small clubs make later rounds become less competitive. If am not a fan of small clubs, I would prefer to see big clubs to go next. They will make Champions League more interesting in later rounds.

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Brugge might be able to qualify if they manage to win the remaining 2 match but only if City and PSG lose 2 match in a row, I don't see this scenario going to come true.

Me too. Manchester City and PSG are too strong in this group. They did not win perfectly so far but I think they will know how to pass through the qualification round

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Quote from: hahay on November 16, 2021, 10:32:53 AM

Yes, that's for sure, I've previously only answered those who said there might be something different like Club Brugge that might come as a surprise. In my view, although in this group there are no confirmed teams like Liverpool, Ajax, Bayern Munich and Juventus but still, City and PSG can definitely qualify in this group, because on the one hand they are also a big team and also, the difference in points those with Club Brugge can be quite far away. So, I say win or lose for any team in the City - PSG match, basically they will still qualify and I have no doubts about that.

It would be a shame for City or PSG if either of them failed to qualify for the round of 16. Brugge were a surprise in the group but maybe they couldn't do much in the last 2 match. The results of City vs PSG and Brugge vs Leipzig will be decisive, but I also believe that the top two team will qualify.

Brugge might be able to qualify if they manage to win the remaining 2 match but only if City and PSG lose 2 match in a row, I don't see this scenario going to come true.

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Quote from: tygeade on November 16, 2021, 10:10:09 AM

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Winning and losing in this match will not change anything, there are only two matches left which means these two teams will still qualify. For example, maybe we assume PSG lost here and Club Brugge won and thus, their points are 8 and 7. Then, in the last match PSG will play at home against Club Brugge, we assume the result is a draw and their points will be 9 and 8, right. So, whatever result in the match Manchester City - PSG does not change anything in the standings of this group, their position will remain like that until the end. Even though PSG can win against Manchester City tomorrow, it's still these two teams that will qualify too, of course, unless Club Brugge can win in these last two matches then Club Brugge will certainly qualify. I'm not sure PSG will give up easily at home in the last match because the opponent is only Club Brugge, which it looks like PSG will still win in the last match against Club Brugge later.

It is 100% guaranteed in my mind that City and PSG will go to next stage, I do not believe that there is any possibility that Bruge would go to next stage. It is sad to see Leipzig doing that badly, that is the only thing that shocked me this year, they are not doing well in bundesliga as well, manager really does make a big difference.

In any case I assume that we will see City and PSG on next stage and then also another stage for sure, quarter finals is where things "may" get serious depending on your draw, but aside from that nothing really changes for these teams, hell maybe they could get some lucky draw on quarter finals as well who knows. They are not even working too hard right now neither, because they know they could get it done. Let's see how things could change, but at the moment it is going to be basically exactly this ranking by the end.

Yes, that's for sure, I've previously only answered those who said there might be something different like Club Brugge that might come as a surprise. In my view, although in this group there are no confirmed teams like Liverpool, Ajax, Bayern Munich and Juventus but still, City and PSG can definitely qualify in this group, because on the one hand they are also a big team and also, the difference in points those with Club Brugge can be quite far away. So, I say win or lose for any team in the City - PSG match, basically they will still qualify and I have no doubts about that.

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Quote from: hahay on November 16, 2021, 04:54:59 AM

Winning and losing in this match will not change anything, there are only two matches left which means these two teams will still qualify. For example, maybe we assume PSG lost here and Club Brugge won and thus, their points are 8 and 7. Then, in the last match PSG will play at home against Club Brugge, we assume the result is a draw and their points will be 9 and 8, right. So, whatever result in the match Manchester City - PSG does not change anything in the standings of this group, their position will remain like that until the end. Even though PSG can win against Manchester City tomorrow, it's still these two teams that will qualify too, of course, unless Club Brugge can win in these last two matches then Club Brugge will certainly qualify. I'm not sure PSG will give up easily at home in the last match because the opponent is only Club Brugge, which it looks like PSG will still win in the last match against Club Brugge later.

It is 100% guaranteed in my mind that City and PSG will go to next stage, I do not believe that there is any possibility that Bruge would go to next stage. It is sad to see Leipzig doing that badly, that is the only thing that shocked me this year, they are not doing well in bundesliga as well, manager really does make a big difference.

In any case I assume that we will see City and PSG on next stage and then also another stage for sure, quarter finals is where things "may" get serious depending on your draw, but aside from that nothing really changes for these teams, hell maybe they could get some lucky draw on quarter finals as well who knows. They are not even working too hard right now neither, because they know they could get it done. Let's see how things could change, but at the moment it is going to be basically exactly this ranking by the end.

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Quote from: hd49728 on November 15, 2021, 09:45:46 PM

Bad decision with Ole only appears if the board feels that Ole can not help the club to complete this season somewhere in top 4 and fail in Champions League too early. They can skip a few bad matches if Ole can finish the given task.

No one knows what's on the mind of the manchester united board right now while still keeping Ole, even though we can see if manchester united is currently really down in the english league standings and for the champions league I think they are also still in critical position at this time in the group, but fortunately Ole has ronaldo who is at least able to make changes to the manchester united match as happened in the match against Atalanta last.

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Quote from: DU18 on November 15, 2021, 09:46:25 AM

In my opinion, the treatment that Ole is currently receiving at Manchester is very different from that received by the previous Manchester coaches, and even a coach like Mourinho who was able to award the League Cup, and the Europa League to Manchester during his time, was not given a second chance at all by the managemen and they immediately fired him and replaced him with Ole, unlike the case with Ole who was not able to provide achievements for manchester united, but they continue to maintain it until now.
Bro @masulum as we all know if all this time Alex Fergusson has been very supportive of Ole, is it possible that Fergusson's influence has made the Manchester management still keep Ole today?

This is an hot issue i think, so i decide to tried to find articles related to this, and i found several articles, like this one, there was says if Sir Fergie behind Ole who continued to manage the red devil. In several articles, Sir Alex met with Ole even facing the MU board to prevent Ole's dismissal despite losing 5-0 vs liverpool few weeks back. This seems to be the reason all along, why Ole remains at Manchester United, even he getting bad results. If Fergie believed in Ole, maybe he would slowly give education and share his "secrets" of his strategy to Ole.

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Ole is getting too much undue advantage over his predecessors. Ole has been given second chance and even third chance and the management is willing to give him more chances. I don't know the reason the management is doing it. Also, Ole is not preserving the legacies of Sir Fagie, yet Sir still wants him to stay.
Now Manchester United has been reduced to mediocre, such that some fans keep saying that appearing in top 4 is already an achievement for Manchester United. It I laughable. Manchester United of trophies are told that top 4 is worth celebrating as if they are Westham.

Same here. I usually always like it when clubs don't sack their coaches so early and give them some more time even though the results may be bad at the moment. In the case of Solskjaer and Manchester united though i am really surprised that he is still coach there. I mean it's not like that he braught a completely new tactic to the club that needs a lot of time to implement, they are just playing bad and it seems like Ole is really benefiting a lot that ferguson and others in the club are fans of him.

What is Sir Alex Ferguson waiting for from Ole Gunner asking him to stay? Is there good potential in Sir Ferguson's eyes when I see him Ole is not the type for Man United at the moment?
About the many advantages, it is clear that we can see how Ole benefit heavily but he still benefits and is still trusted by his management, maybe the management's hope is to wait until Ole shines and finds a good strategy while we still keep asking why this time it was different from other coaches his.

I feel the media is being misled about Sir Alex wanting Ole to stay on, because if I’m correct he didn’t want Mourinho at the club and yet Mourinho came.

Lastly while it’s being shown the owners are respecting him, they’re only keeping Ole because he’s obedient, and the club is yet not out of the champions league.

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